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Sun 11/29/09


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     0. 12:12 AM - Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By 12%... (Matt Dralle)
     1. 02:42 PM - Re: Rear Seat - Removable Panel (Dick & Vicki Sipp)
     2. 05:55 PM - Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1)
     3. 06:24 PM - Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (Dick & Vicki Sipp)
     4. 07:04 PM - Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (Marcus Cooper)
     5. 07:18 PM - Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (Don McDonald)
     6. 08:33 PM - Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
     7. 08:40 PM - Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (Pascal)
     8. 11:05 PM - Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (Scott Schmidt)
     9. 11:23 PM - Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (Robin Marks)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:12:23 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By 12%...
    Dear Listers, This year's List Fund Raiser is still trailing last year by a 12% margin. If you like the ad-free environment that is the Matronics Email List and Forum experience, please make a quick Contribution to keep it that way! http://www.matronics.com/contribution I've been getting a ton of really nice comments from Contributors regarding the Lists. Please read over some of them below and see if they don't resonate with you as well. Thank you in advance for your generous contribution to support these Lists! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator --------------------------- Member Feedback ---------------------------- ur web site is a real institution of the whole Experimental Aircraft subculture. John G Thanks Matt for the lists. A lot of good info. Great bunch of list members. Great videos and no SPAM. Paul C It has been a valuable tool. Troy M ..appreciate the site as much as ever. Larry M By using various forums I've learned a ton, received great advice, made friends, and saved money! Craig W Since I've finished [my project], I've not had much to do as far as fabrication of electrical systems. However, selectively reading various topics is still very valuable and Bob's insights and new how to's make me a continuous subscriber. Larry F Matronics user groups are the best tool I have for learning to build my RV-10! Philip W There is always useful knowledge to be found on this list, and I suspect that it has kept quite a few people out of trouble over the years it has been in operation. Good entertainment, too. Graham H Great web site. I wish I'd known about it while building. Bob S I'm happy to provide some support to this list. It is very helpful. Vaughn T Good service to sport aviation!! Roger B Awesome Service you provide for us! Bill R My [project] is almost finished! However, it wouldn't be close without the [this] group. Douwe B Great list. Robert S I'm not a builder yet but learning lots from the list. Peter M Some nonsense, some humor, but mostly good information. Tony C Thanks for creating and keeping the Lists. They are entertaining and always informative! John M Thanks for this valuable resource to our community. Barry H The list is IMHO the greatest resource on the net. John B Thanks again for providing another year of your useful List service. Jerry B Great site indeed, every time I get a message I usually learn something. Peter B You are making a huge contribution to the builder fraternity and in no small way enhancing sport aviation safety. Richard G The List is the SINGLE, MOST IMPORTANT resource I have in building my RV10. I would be lost without out it. And I have made a bunch of new friends as well! Les K The lists are one of the things I really enjoy, so keep up the good work. Freddie H Every year -- the best value for my time and money! Owen B This list is a major contribution to safe building! Donald K Really enjoy the daily boost it gives me. Walter S In the last 18 months I have been privileged to listen & ask. I have learnt at the feet of the masters... Stewart G You set the standard on how Internet forums should be run and managed. Larry W The Universe is a better place because of you. Eric J [The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and make my systems better. I continue to get and give information through these lists. Ralph C ..another GREAT year of advice, answers, and inspiration courtesy of the Lists and your hard work!!!! Rob B ..the best forum on the Internet! Robert B I can't tell you how grateful I am for your list and your subscribers to keep me up to date and holding the dream. Ashley M This page makes it easy to contribute. Jeffrey P Thank you for your expertise in creating & running the much useful lists! Anthony P Thanks for providing our advertising free on line community. George R Thanks for maintaining the equipment and software to provide this valuable source of information to us individuals. Your effort is appreciated by many more people than you realize. Ross H Thanks for a great site. Although the project is complete and flying I still get a wealth of information from all the messages. Marcus C Only learned about you six months ago...my RV-7A is just finished, but the list has been helpful. Wish I had discovered you sooner. Jack B This is an invaluable communications media for us common minded folks to exchange technical and other information. George H ..great service that you provide. David W ..still appreciate your list. Alain L [The] Lists are an invaluable resource. I know that it has helped me enormously in my project. William B


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    Time: 02:42:40 PM PST US
    From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Rear Seat - Removable Panel
    I installed two approx. 4x4 inch access panels above each of two com antennas so I could remove them if required. Dick Sipp N110DV From: Perry, Phil Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rear Seat - Removable Panel I'm stealing one of Deems photos here. http://www.deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2033%20Baggage%20Area/slides/DSC02724. JPG In the process of running conduit today, I was thinking it might be nice to build a removable panel into the outboard section of the rear seat pans. This way I could remove the seat pans later to access underneath them at a later date without having wires running through the holes. This would be nice for running coax to the antenna's and riveting in the doublers... Am I worried out nothing? Have any of you created panels in the seat pans to leave the conduit and wiring undisturbed when the seat pan is removed? I'd like to leave this seat out as long as possible. Phil


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    Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
    From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
    I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list if you would like. Thanks Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369


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    Time: 06:24:03 PM PST US
    From: "Dick & Vicki Sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
    I was given 40 due to experimental engine. (Lycoming kit built by authorized shop like Aerosport) There is more than enough to do in the first 40 hours particularly if you have an advanced technology panel. Dick Sipp N110DV -------------------------------------------------- From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs > <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> > > I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required > to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 > experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 > or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. > Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the > list > if you would like. > > Thanks Geoff > > -------- > Geoff Combs > RV-10 QB N829GW > Finishing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 > > >


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    Time: 07:04:07 PM PST US
    From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@verizon.net>
    Subject: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
    I was given 40 hours primarily due to the Experimental stamp on the fuel injector and non-Lycoming data plate (if I remember correctly). Probably would have been 25 otherwise. I have the standard Hartzell prop. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerosport1 Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs Do not archive <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list if you would like. Thanks Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369


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    Time: 07:18:44 PM PST US
    From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
    Ditto to what Dick said.... I knew as a new pilot, the extra time certainly wouldn't do me any harm....- and I strongly agree with the statement tha t holding a ppl is only a license to learn. Don McDonald --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Dick & Vicki Sipp <rsipp@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Dick & Vicki Sipp <rsipp@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs I was given 40 due to experimental engine.- (Lycoming kit built by authorized shop like Aerosport) There is more than enough to do in the first 40 hours particularly if you have an advanced technology panel. Dick Sipp N110DV -------------------------------------------------- From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs > <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> > > I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required > to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 > experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 > or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. > Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the > list > if you would like. > > Thanks Geoff > > -------- > Geoff Combs > RV-10 QB N829GW > Finishing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 > > > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 08:33:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
    From: ricksked@embarqmail.com
    Its the engine Geoff... ------Original Message------ From: aerosport1 Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Nov 29, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list if you would like. Thanks Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


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    Time: 08:40:13 PM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
    Generally expect 40 hours if you have anything that is non certified- so an experimental engine not certified (mine has Eci cylinders) would require 40 hours. The DAR or FAA is the final decision on this however. I wouldn't, nor am I, be in any hurry to get the passengers, I will ask for an extended flyoff area after 35 hours from my DAR but I plan to spend at least 40 hours getting to know the frankenstein I created. My suggestion is ask around and get an idea of what others in your area that have used the same inspector you'll use had to do if you really need to know. P -------------------------------------------------- From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs > <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> > > I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required > to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 > experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 > or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. > Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the > list > if you would like. > > Thanks Geoff > > -------- > Geoff Combs > RV-10 QB N829GW > Finishing > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 > > >


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    Time: 11:05:45 PM PST US
    From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
    I am one that received 25 hours with the exact same setup that Geoff has. It depends on the DAR. My DAR saw that the engine had no AD's with documentation and had a hartzell prop. I am not saying that he was right or wrong but there will be some different opinions when it comes to the fly off hours. I know that there are others that received 25 hours too. I would not be upset at 40 hours either. It does take time to learn and fix up your newly finished plane. Today, my plane is so much better than the first day. When you roll through 500 hours you'll be happy you took the time to learn and test everything on your plane. Scott SLC,UT On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:39 PM, "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote: Generally expect 40 hours if you have anything that is non certified- so an experimental engine not certified (mine has Eci cylinders) would require 40 hours. The DAR or FAA is the final decision on this however. I wouldn't, nor am I, be in any hurry to get the passengers, I will ask for an extended flyoff area after 35 hours from my DAR but I plan to spend at least 40 hours getting to know the frankenstein I created. My suggestion is ask around and get an idea of what others in your area that have used the same inspector you'll use had to do if you really need to know. P -------------------------------------------------- From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list if you would like. Thanks Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369


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    Time: 11:23:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
    From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
    Consistency would be nice. A Subaru 7A on my field received a 25 hours Phase 1. Really??? We were at 44 hours before we had everything ironed out with the advanced avionics and temp issues. Most plans built RV's should not take that long. Regardless, just like riveting, fiberglass, paint, one day it will all be behind you. Enjoy what you are doing. Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@embarqmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:30 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs Its the engine Geoff... ------Original Message------ From: aerosport1 Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Nov 29, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list if you would like. Thanks Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 11/29/09 19:31:00




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