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3. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (Kelly McMullen)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (Rene Felker)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (David McNeill)
6. 07:55 AM - Re: QB Corrosion - Heads Up (Perry, Phil)
7. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (John Cox)
8. 08:18 AM - Re: Rear Seat - Removable Panel (Albert Gardner)
9. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its
my 46th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of the really
nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now
is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
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Thank you to all in advance!
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| Subject: | re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) |
I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the
situation was this:
* Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell
designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a
"certified" on a production airplane. The combination to the best of his
knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane.
Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Based
on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not.
* One interesting point that we discussed. He said the local FSDO
here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for testing.
He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the speeds we
fly, it seemed that you were always 'turning left' to stay within the
radius. Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an airport 100 miles
away and allow flight testing in a straight line to it. As example, I will
likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will request a destination of
Burlington, IA (BRL). In that line of flight, I will fly over Pella,
Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant. There is always an airport
nearby in case of emergency. Being that I have family in two of those
cities, I will be able to stop for lunch during my flight testing time.
* One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to
eliminate the 'wet compass' from my panel. I have dual AFS screens, with
dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I have to
have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the FARs to
allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in the 60's or
before, and they had not been updated for current technologies. He said I
needed to write a letter to the FSDO or standards office in Oklahoma. Has
anyone done this? I'd sure like to eliminate the compass cluttering up the
windscreen.
p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed before I
am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a sales and
marketing pro, please let me know.
Pete
RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project.
Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required
to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45
experimental
engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if
25
why instead of 40.
Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list
if you would like.
Thanks Geoff
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Geoff Combs
RV-10 QB N829GW
Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) |
Peter James wrote:
>
>
> I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the
> situation was this:
SNIP
>
> One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to
> eliminate the wet compass from my panel. I have dual AFS screens,
> with dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I
> have to have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the
> FARs to allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in
> the 60s or before, and they had not been updated for current
> technologies. He said I needed to write a letter to the FSDO or
> standards office in Oklahoma. Has anyone done this? Id sure like to
> eliminate the compass cluttering up the windscreen.
Get a suction-cup mounted compass from Wall-world. Stick it anywhere
you can see it .... not necessarily read it ....
>
>
>
> p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed
> before I am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a
> sales and marketing pro, please let me know.
I read this and the first thought was "You picked a fine time to leave
me, my job". My condolences. I've got my fingers crossed. Thankfully
I'm retired and although I've lost a fair amount of money in real
estate, I'm still hanging in there. Best of luck.
Linn
>
>
>
> Pete
>
> RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project.
>
>
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> Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US
>
> Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
>
> From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required
>
> to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45
> experimental
>
> engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And
> if 25
>
> why instead of 40.
>
> Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list
>
> if you would like.
>
>
>
> Thanks Geoff
>
>
>
> --------
>
> Geoff Combs
>
> RV-10 QB N829GW
>
> Finishing
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| Subject: | Re: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) |
Has anyone researched what props are approved for either the Comanche
260 or Aztec 250? It would seem that any prop approved or STCd for
those aircraft could get a certified combination for the -10.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Peter James <RVPilot@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
> I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the
> situation was this:
>
>
> Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell
> designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a
> certified on a production airplane. The combination to the best of his
> knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane.
> Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Based
> on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not.
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| Subject: | re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) |
I have a C4B5........the DAR was able to make that connection and only gave
me 25 hours. I known have 108 hours and still testing.
Now I am working on my mod list for my second annual......lets see...
Second battery of Firewall (for CG purposes and some redundancy)
Move the fuel pump switch next to throttle
Send autopilot back for new screen (second year on that one)
The list is a lot shorter this year.....
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1)
Has anyone researched what props are approved for either the Comanche
260 or Aztec 250? It would seem that any prop approved or STCd for
those aircraft could get a certified combination for the -10.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Peter James <RVPilot@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
> I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the
> situation was this:
>
>
> Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell
> designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a
> certified on a production airplane. The combination to the best of his
> knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane.
> Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Based
> on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not.
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| Subject: | re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) |
In April 2008 my DAR concluded that a certified IO540 and a certified
Hatrzell prop warranted a 25 hour test period; I believe this as done on the
basis of it being an approved engine prop combination as designated by the
manufacturer of the kit.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1)
Has anyone researched what props are approved for either the Comanche 260 or
Aztec 250? It would seem that any prop approved or STCd for those aircraft
could get a certified combination for the -10.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Peter James <RVPilot@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
> I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the
> situation was this:
>
>
> Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a
> Hartzell designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never
> appeared on a certified on a production airplane. The combination
> to the best of his knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an
EXPEIMENTAL airplane.
> Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental.
> Based on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not.
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| Subject: | QB Corrosion - Heads Up |
Welcome back to work everyone. J
After closer inspection yesterday I found more than a dozen areas of
filiform intruding on the interior surfaces.
I'm thinking I'll try and scrub out the corrosion then treat those areas
with an alodine pen. After that I'll go ahead and shoot the entire
interior with the same self etching primer I used in the tail
(Variprime).
Have any of you primed over the top of Vans wash primer? If so, what
did you do to prep the area and how well did your primer adhere?
Thanks for the help,
Phil
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up
This is intended for those listers who recently received their QB's.
I've had mine for nearly 2 months and have now started seeing filiform
corrosion forming on some of the areas where wash primer was not
properly applied. If you look at the surface of your aluminum, you
might notice it does not have a uniform color. The darker patches are
where the primer was not properly applied and the corrosion is occurring
only in these darker areas.
>From this point forward, I'm going to scotchbrite out the corrosion and
chase it with rattle can primer.
If you've got a recent kit, keep your eyes peeled and take a good hard
look in the darker tinted areas. The corrosion I am seeing is white and
each runner is around 1/8" long.
Phil
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| Subject: | re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) |
I would love to hear from any DAR that can grant a 25 hour experimental
flyoff for a Subaru 'non TCDS' engine/prop combination. 40 seems to
have a solid basis in safe flight. And, Scotts perspective has been
well proven with the current fleet. Anyone remember Dan Lloyd's flyoff?
Where's Das Fed when you need a sound voice?
Extended operational ranges from the Base of Operation (while avoiding
congested areas) for Phase One makes a lot of sense.
The requirement for a redundant compass was not based on either the 60's
or a resistance to what is now called "current technologies". Lightning
strikes, EMF and a multitude of primitive failures of electrons force
even 21st century glass cockpits pushed out of the factories of 2010 to
retain an ISI and a compass. Anyone remember the French flight out of
South America that went down over the Atlantic? It will be interesting
to see the rewrite that changes the old - proven technology of the
paper, tube and fabric era. Till you lose all electrical and the
back-up fails you simply haven't discovered the road traveled from the
stick and rudder days. Fly by wire and glass EFIS have some damned
expensive triple redundant systems which are beyond even the budgets of
RV-10 builders.
Oh Yeh, Happy Birthday MATT!
John Cox
-pushin electrons-
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter James
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:41 AM
Subject: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1)
I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the
situation was this:
* Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell
designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on
a "certified" on a production airplane. The combination to the best of
his knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL
airplane. Therefore, the combination still had to be considered
experimental. Based on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours,
like it or not.
* One interesting point that we discussed. He said the local
FSDO here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for
testing. He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the
speeds we fly, it seemed that you were always 'turning left' to stay
within the radius. Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an
airport 100 miles away and allow flight testing in a straight line to
it. As example, I will likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will
request a destination of Burlington, IA (BRL). In that line of flight,
I will fly over Pella, Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant.
There is always an airport nearby in case of emergency. Being that I
have family in two of those cities, I will be able to stop for lunch
during my flight testing time.
* One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to
eliminate the 'wet compass' from my panel. I have dual AFS screens,
with dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I
have to have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the
FARs to allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in
the 60's or before, and they had not been updated for current
technologies. He said I needed to write a letter to the FSDO or
standards office in Oklahoma. Has anyone done this? I'd sure like to
eliminate the compass cluttering up the windscreen.
p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed
before I am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a
sales and marketing pro, please let me know.
Pete
RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project.
Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US
Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required
to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45
experimental
engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And
if 25
why instead of 40.
Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the
list
if you would like.
Thanks Geoff
--------
Geoff Combs
RV-10 QB N829GW
Finishing
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369
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| Subject: | Rear Seat - Removable Panel |
The access panel kit that Van's supplies for the stall warning setup works
very well if you need a small access panel somewhere. It comes predrilled
with a doubler and installation is quick and easy-it's also inexpensive. I
used one near the wingtip for my 2 meter APRS transmitter.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
N991RV
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick & Vicki Sipp
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear Seat - Removable Panel
I installed two approx. 4x4 inch access panels above each of two com
antennas so I could remove them if required.
Dick Sipp
N110DV
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| Subject: | Re: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) |
Pete,
If your DAR is talking about 91.203(b)(3), it says you have to have a
magnetic direction indicator. Your AFS uses a (highly accurate)
magnetometer to display magnetic heading. Nothing says it has to be
non-electric, or that it has to be a wet compass.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Peter James <RVPilot@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
> I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the
> situation was this:
>
>
> =B7 Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzel
l
> designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on
a
> =93certified=94 on a production airplane. The combination to the best of
his
> knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane
.
> Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Base
d
> on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not.
>
>
> =B7 One interesting point that we discussed. He said the local F
SDO
> here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for testin
g.
> He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the speeds we
> fly, it seemed that you were always =91turning left=92 to stay within the
> radius. Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an airport 100 mil
es
> away and allow flight testing in a straight line to it. As example, I wi
ll
> likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will request a destination of
> Burlington, IA (BRL). In that line of flight, I will fly over Pella,
> Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant. There is always an airp
ort
> nearby in case of emergency. Being that I have family in two of those
> cities, I will be able to stop for lunch during my flight testing time.
>
>
> =B7 One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to
> eliminate the =91wet compass=92 from my panel. I have dual AFS screens,
with
> dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I have to
> have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the FARs to
> allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in the 60=92s
or
> before, and they had not been updated for current technologies. He said
I
> needed to write a letter to the FSDO or standards office in Oklahoma. Ha
s
> anyone done this? I=92d sure like to eliminate the compass cluttering up
the
> windscreen.
>
>
> p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed befor
e
> I am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a sales a
nd
> marketing pro, please let me know.
>
>
> Pete
>
> RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project.
>
>
> Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US
>
> Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
>
> From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
>
>
> I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required
>
> to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45
> experimental
>
> engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And i
f
> 25
>
> why instead of 40.
>
> Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the li
st
>
>
> if you would like.
>
>
> Thanks Geoff
>
>
> --------
>
> Geoff Combs
>
> RV-10 QB N829GW
>
> Finishing
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369
>
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| Subject: | Re: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) |
Make that 91.205...
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Dave Saylor <
dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pete,
>
> If your DAR is talking about 91.203(b)(3), it says you have to have a
> magnetic direction indicator. Your AFS uses a (highly accurate)
> magnetometer to display magnetic heading. Nothing says it has to be
> non-electric, or that it has to be a wet compass.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Peter James <RVPilot@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the
>> situation was this:
>>
>>
>>
>> =B7 Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartze
ll
>> designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on
a
>> =93certified=94 on a production airplane. The combination to the best o
f his
>> knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplan
e.
>> Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Bas
ed
>> on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not.
>>
>>
>>
>> =B7 One interesting point that we discussed. He said the local
>> FSDO here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for
>> testing. He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the
>> speeds we fly, it seemed that you were always =91turning left=92 to stay
within
>> the radius. Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an airport 10
0
>> miles away and allow flight testing in a straight line to it. As exampl
e, I
>> will likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will request a destination o
f
>> Burlington, IA (BRL). In that line of flight, I will fly over Pella,
>> Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant. There is always an air
port
>> nearby in case of emergency. Being that I have family in two of those
>> cities, I will be able to stop for lunch during my flight testing time.
>>
>>
>>
>> =B7 One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to
>> eliminate the =91wet compass=92 from my panel. I have dual AFS screens,
with
>> dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I have to
>> have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the FARs to
>> allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in the 60=92s
or
>> before, and they had not been updated for current technologies. He said
I
>> needed to write a letter to the FSDO or standards office in Oklahoma. H
as
>> anyone done this? I=92d sure like to eliminate the compass cluttering u
p the
>> windscreen.
>>
>>
>>
>> p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed befo
re
>> I am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a sales
and
>> marketing pro, please let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US
>>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs
>>
>> From: "aerosport1" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required
>>
>> to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45
>> experimental
>>
>> engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And
if
>> 25
>>
>> why instead of 40.
>>
>> Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the
>> list
>>
>> if you would like.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Geoff
>>
>>
>>
>> --------
>>
>> Geoff Combs
>>
>> RV-10 QB N829GW
>>
>> Finishing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369
>>
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>>
>>
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Place a call to Vans support (if you haven't already) they will give you
their version of what to do, if nothing else they need to be aware of
their priming issues.
My concern is that a few years back I grabbed a rusted fence and
completely removed everything, I applied a few different primers (rust
oleum, DTM wask primer, etc) than painted over it with a exterior paint.
1 year later I discovered rust was developing again. All I can think of
is that I didn't get it all- although I sure thought I had everything
covered.. My point is you probably need to pull some panels out and see
if there is anything else "hidden" if you don't you may very well find
some more surprises later that will stread back to what you already did,
no matter how well you do it now..
Pascal
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up
Welcome back to work everyone. J
After closer inspection yesterday I found more than a dozen areas of
filiform intruding on the interior surfaces.
I'm thinking I'll try and scrub out the corrosion then treat those areas
with an alodine pen. After that I'll go ahead and shoot the entire
interior with the same self etching primer I used in the tail
(Variprime).
Have any of you primed over the top of Vans wash primer? If so, what
did you do to prep the area and how well did your primer adhere?
Thanks for the help,
Phil
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up
This is intended for those listers who recently received their QB's.
I've had mine for nearly 2 months and have now started seeing filiform
corrosion forming on some of the areas where wash primer was not
properly applied. If you look at the surface of your aluminum, you
might notice it does not have a uniform color. The darker patches are
where the primer was not properly applied and the corrosion is occurring
only in these darker areas.
>From this point forward, I'm going to scotchbrite out the corrosion and
chase it with rattle can primer.
If you've got a recent kit, keep your eyes peeled and take a good hard
look in the darker tinted areas. The corrosion I am seeing is white and
each runner is around 1/8" long.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: control stick wiring |
Chris,
I routed my cable thru the stick. It took a little work but it can be done without
a minimum bend radius issue. I can send pics if you are interested. To
provide adequate clearance to the instrument panel the stick needs to be cut down
too. Also the grips should be clocked to avoid an uncomfortable wrist twist.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - FWF
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Why not use the weld-on? It isn't that hard to work with and you don't have to
research compatibility and strength.
Plexi expands and contracts differently than the fiberglass and sometimes you see
cracks in the painted finish around the windows. A thin layer of glass over
the joint and covering the overlap will help avoid the cracking in the paint.
Smooth it in with your favorite fill.
--------
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RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - FWF
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Weld-on was the worst product I've ever used in my life. The warning label makes
MEK look like mouthwash. .Respirator, goggles, and gloves are essential. It
sets too fast and it's too runny. Cabosil helps but cuts into your set time. Once
it's dry, you will have a devil of a time getting the unwanted droppings off.
I used it on the side windows but decided to try Silpruf 2000 for the windshield.
I like the results so far and it's safe to work with. I know Dave Saylor
did his with Silpruf so maybe he can chime in.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | QB Corrosion - Heads Up |
Talked with Scott @ Vans and he suggested the process below.
Just scrub out the corrosion, alodine, then prime.
So that's the plan.... It'll probably be next weekend before I can get
around to it.
Phil
From: Pascal [mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up
Place a call to Vans support (if you haven't already) they will give you
their version of what to do, if nothing else they need to be aware of
their priming issues.
My concern is that a few years back I grabbed a rusted fence and
completely removed everything, I applied a few different primers (rust
oleum, DTM wask primer, etc) than painted over it with a exterior paint.
1 year later I discovered rust was developing again. All I can think of
is that I didn't get it all- although I sure thought I had everything
covered.. My point is you probably need to pull some panels out and see
if there is anything else "hidden" if you don't you may very well find
some more surprises later that will stread back to what you already did,
no matter how well you do it now..
Pascal
From: Perry, Phil <mailto:Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up
Welcome back to work everyone. J
After closer inspection yesterday I found more than a dozen areas of
filiform intruding on the interior surfaces.
I'm thinking I'll try and scrub out the corrosion then treat those areas
with an alodine pen. After that I'll go ahead and shoot the entire
interior with the same self etching primer I used in the tail
(Variprime).
Have any of you primed over the top of Vans wash primer? If so, what
did you do to prep the area and how well did your primer adhere?
Thanks for the help,
Phil
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up
This is intended for those listers who recently received their QB's.
I've had mine for nearly 2 months and have now started seeing filiform
corrosion forming on some of the areas where wash primer was not
properly applied. If you look at the surface of your aluminum, you
might notice it does not have a uniform color. The darker patches are
where the primer was not properly applied and the corrosion is occurring
only in these darker areas.
>From this point forward, I'm going to scotchbrite out the corrosion and
chase it with rattle can primer.
If you've got a recent kit, keep your eyes peeled and take a good hard
look in the darker tinted areas. The corrosion I am seeing is white and
each runner is around 1/8" long.
Phil
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sorry for wasted bandwidth,
In case any are interested, ive added a bunch of new product and updated
the website at IFLYRV10.COM
thanks for all your support.
Steven DiNieri
capsteve@iflyrv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Cabosil? I'm getting ready to use this stuff despite the warnings but I
didn't know you could used cabosil to thicken it. Is that part of the
directions for use?
Thanks.
johngoodman wrote:
>
> Weld-on was the worst product I've ever used in my life. The warning label makes
MEK look like mouthwash. .Respirator, goggles, and gloves are essential. It
sets too fast and it's too runny. Cabosil helps but cuts into your set time.
Once it's dry, you will have a devil of a time getting the unwanted droppings
off. I used it on the side windows but decided to try Silpruf 2000 for the windshield.
I like the results so far and it's safe to work with. I know Dave Saylor
did his with Silpruf so maybe he can chime in.
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
> N711JG reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275548#275548
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Since I have weld-on in house, that's my plan including the glass over
the joint.
do not archive
Bill
nukeflyboy wrote:
>
> Why not use the weld-on? It isn't that hard to work with and you don't have
to research compatibility and strength.
>
> Plexi expands and contracts differently than the fiberglass and sometimes you
see cracks in the painted finish around the windows. A thin layer of glass over
the joint and covering the overlap will help avoid the cracking in the paint.
Smooth it in with your favorite fill.
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275535#275535
>
>
>
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| Subject: | iPhone SkyCharts |
For those of you who have iPhones, I just realized that the App
SkyCharts, which has been out for quite a while ($9.99) now lets you
cache all IFR data for each Sectional that you cache. Every 28 days you
will have to recache the new data, but it's a great way to have a copy
(or an extra copy) of all the approach plates for your route.
For those who use EFB's (probably opening up a huge can of worms here),
what constitutes a legal electronic representation of an approach plate?
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Anyone finding any cracks? before or after the mod? We are still inspecting.
if flying and before mod , how many hours?
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| Subject: | Re: iPhone SkyCharts |
I have been using that app for a little while and love it.
Tim mentioned that they are going to start charging a yearly fee in the future.
Until then, it is great.
When they first launched it had quite a few bugs, especially when uploading data.
Now all is great.
It actually is a perfectly legal system to use for flying approaches. Not that
you wouldn't want a backup print copy with you.
I can't remember the exact FAR terminology (I'm sure someone will have it), you
have to make sure it does not interfere with any of your aircraft systems.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 6:34:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: iPhone SkyCharts
For those of you who have iPhones, I just realized that the App SkyCharts, which
has been out for quite a while ($9.99) now lets you cache all IFR data for each
Sectional that you cache. Every 28 days you will have to recache the new
data, but it's a great way to have a copy (or an extra copy) of all the approach
plates for your route.
For those who use EFB's (probably opening up a huge can of worms here), what constitutes
a legal electronic representation of an approach plate?
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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I suspect the only planes we would have ever seen these cracks on is the pl
anes used for crosstraining.- These are the only planes doing a ton of st
alls every month/year.- That being said, it's still-a mod worth doing.
Don McDonald
--- On Mon, 11/30/09, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: SB 08-6-1
Anyone finding any cracks? before or after the mod? We are still inspecting
. if flying and before mod , how many hours?
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