---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/30/09: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:20 AM - [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle) 1. 05:43 AM - Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (Peter James) 2. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (Linn Walters) 3. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (Kelly McMullen) 4. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (Rene Felker) 5. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (David McNeill) 6. 07:55 AM - Re: QB Corrosion - Heads Up (Perry, Phil) 7. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (John Cox) 8. 08:18 AM - Re: Rear Seat - Removable Panel (Albert Gardner) 9. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (Dave Saylor) 10. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) (Dave Saylor) 11. 08:56 AM - Re: QB Corrosion - Heads Up (Pascal) 12. 11:30 AM - Re: control stick wiring (nukeflyboy) 13. 11:44 AM - Re: windows & fiberglass (nukeflyboy) 14. 01:00 PM - Re: windows & fiberglass (johngoodman) 15. 01:15 PM - Re: QB Corrosion - Heads Up (Perry, Phil) 16. 01:54 PM - Blatent commercial blurb (Steven DiNieri) 17. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: windows & fiberglass (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 18. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: windows & fiberglass (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 19. 05:35 PM - iPhone SkyCharts (Jesse Saint) 20. 05:35 PM - SB 08-6-1 (David McNeill) 21. 06:14 PM - Re: iPhone SkyCharts (Scott Schmidt) 22. 07:00 PM - Re: SB 08-6-1 (Don McDonald) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:16 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! Dear Listers, Its November 30th and that means at least two things. For better or worse, its my 46th birthday! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of the really nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!! If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting it off for some reason, NOW is the time! I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want to be known as a person that supported the Lists! I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same. The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making your Contribution right now: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you to all in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:58 AM PST US From: "Peter James" Subject: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the situation was this: * Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a "certified" on a production airplane. The combination to the best of his knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane. Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Based on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not. * One interesting point that we discussed. He said the local FSDO here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for testing. He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the speeds we fly, it seemed that you were always 'turning left' to stay within the radius. Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an airport 100 miles away and allow flight testing in a straight line to it. As example, I will likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will request a destination of Burlington, IA (BRL). In that line of flight, I will fly over Pella, Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant. There is always an airport nearby in case of emergency. Being that I have family in two of those cities, I will be able to stop for lunch during my flight testing time. * One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to eliminate the 'wet compass' from my panel. I have dual AFS screens, with dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I have to have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the FARs to allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in the 60's or before, and they had not been updated for current technologies. He said I needed to write a letter to the FSDO or standards office in Oklahoma. Has anyone done this? I'd sure like to eliminate the compass cluttering up the windscreen. p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed before I am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a sales and marketing pro, please let me know. Pete RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project. Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs From: "aerosport1" I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list if you would like. Thanks Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:31 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) Peter James wrote: > > > I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the > situation was this: SNIP > > One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to > eliminate the wet compass from my panel. I have dual AFS screens, > with dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I > have to have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the > FARs to allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in > the 60s or before, and they had not been updated for current > technologies. He said I needed to write a letter to the FSDO or > standards office in Oklahoma. Has anyone done this? Id sure like to > eliminate the compass cluttering up the windscreen. Get a suction-cup mounted compass from Wall-world. Stick it anywhere you can see it .... not necessarily read it .... > > > > p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed > before I am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a > sales and marketing pro, please let me know. I read this and the first thought was "You picked a fine time to leave me, my job". My condolences. I've got my fingers crossed. Thankfully I'm retired and although I've lost a fair amount of money in real estate, I'm still hanging in there. Best of luck. Linn > > > > Pete > > RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project. > > > > > > > > > > Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US > > Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs > > From: "aerosport1" > > > > > > I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required > > to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 > experimental > > engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And > if 25 > > why instead of 40. > > Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list > > if you would like. > > > > Thanks Geoff > > > > -------- > > Geoff Combs > > RV-10 QB N829GW > > Finishing > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) From: Kelly McMullen Has anyone researched what props are approved for either the Comanche 260 or Aztec 250? It would seem that any prop approved or STCd for those aircraft could get a certified combination for the -10. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Peter James wrote: > > > I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the > situation was this: > > > Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell > designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a > certified on a production airplane. The combination to the best of his > knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane. > Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Based > on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:36 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) I have a C4B5........the DAR was able to make that connection and only gave me 25 hours. I known have 108 hours and still testing. Now I am working on my mod list for my second annual......lets see... Second battery of Firewall (for CG purposes and some redundancy) Move the fuel pump switch next to throttle Send autopilot back for new screen (second year on that one) The list is a lot shorter this year..... Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) Has anyone researched what props are approved for either the Comanche 260 or Aztec 250? It would seem that any prop approved or STCd for those aircraft could get a certified combination for the -10. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Peter James wrote: > > > I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the > situation was this: > > > Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell > designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a > certified on a production airplane. The combination to the best of his > knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane. > Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Based > on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:53 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) In April 2008 my DAR concluded that a certified IO540 and a certified Hatrzell prop warranted a 25 hour test period; I believe this as done on the basis of it being an approved engine prop combination as designated by the manufacturer of the kit. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) Has anyone researched what props are approved for either the Comanche 260 or Aztec 250? It would seem that any prop approved or STCd for those aircraft could get a certified combination for the -10. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Peter James wrote: > > > I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the > situation was this: > > > Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a > Hartzell designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never > appeared on a certified on a production airplane. The combination > to the best of his knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane. > Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. > Based on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up From: "Perry, Phil" Welcome back to work everyone. J After closer inspection yesterday I found more than a dozen areas of filiform intruding on the interior surfaces. I'm thinking I'll try and scrub out the corrosion then treat those areas with an alodine pen. After that I'll go ahead and shoot the entire interior with the same self etching primer I used in the tail (Variprime). Have any of you primed over the top of Vans wash primer? If so, what did you do to prep the area and how well did your primer adhere? Thanks for the help, Phil From: Perry, Phil Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up This is intended for those listers who recently received their QB's. I've had mine for nearly 2 months and have now started seeing filiform corrosion forming on some of the areas where wash primer was not properly applied. If you look at the surface of your aluminum, you might notice it does not have a uniform color. The darker patches are where the primer was not properly applied and the corrosion is occurring only in these darker areas. >From this point forward, I'm going to scotchbrite out the corrosion and chase it with rattle can primer. If you've got a recent kit, keep your eyes peeled and take a good hard look in the darker tinted areas. The corrosion I am seeing is white and each runner is around 1/8" long. Phil ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:29 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) From: "John Cox" I would love to hear from any DAR that can grant a 25 hour experimental flyoff for a Subaru 'non TCDS' engine/prop combination. 40 seems to have a solid basis in safe flight. And, Scotts perspective has been well proven with the current fleet. Anyone remember Dan Lloyd's flyoff? Where's Das Fed when you need a sound voice? Extended operational ranges from the Base of Operation (while avoiding congested areas) for Phase One makes a lot of sense. The requirement for a redundant compass was not based on either the 60's or a resistance to what is now called "current technologies". Lightning strikes, EMF and a multitude of primitive failures of electrons force even 21st century glass cockpits pushed out of the factories of 2010 to retain an ISI and a compass. Anyone remember the French flight out of South America that went down over the Atlantic? It will be interesting to see the rewrite that changes the old - proven technology of the paper, tube and fabric era. Till you lose all electrical and the back-up fails you simply haven't discovered the road traveled from the stick and rudder days. Fly by wire and glass EFIS have some damned expensive triple redundant systems which are beyond even the budgets of RV-10 builders. Oh Yeh, Happy Birthday MATT! John Cox -pushin electrons- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter James Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:41 AM Subject: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the situation was this: * Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzell designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a "certified" on a production airplane. The combination to the best of his knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane. Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Based on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not. * One interesting point that we discussed. He said the local FSDO here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for testing. He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the speeds we fly, it seemed that you were always 'turning left' to stay within the radius. Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an airport 100 miles away and allow flight testing in a straight line to it. As example, I will likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will request a destination of Burlington, IA (BRL). In that line of flight, I will fly over Pella, Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant. There is always an airport nearby in case of emergency. Being that I have family in two of those cities, I will be able to stop for lunch during my flight testing time. * One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to eliminate the 'wet compass' from my panel. I have dual AFS screens, with dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I have to have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the FARs to allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in the 60's or before, and they had not been updated for current technologies. He said I needed to write a letter to the FSDO or standards office in Oklahoma. Has anyone done this? I'd sure like to eliminate the compass cluttering up the windscreen. p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed before I am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a sales and marketing pro, please let me know. Pete RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project. Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs From: "aerosport1" I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 experimental engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if 25 why instead of 40. Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the list if you would like. Thanks Geoff -------- Geoff Combs RV-10 QB N829GW Finishing Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:52 AM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear Seat - Removable Panel The access panel kit that Van's supplies for the stall warning setup works very well if you need a small access panel somewhere. It comes predrilled with a doubler and installation is quick and easy-it's also inexpensive. I used one near the wingtip for my 2 meter APRS transmitter. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ N991RV From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick & Vicki Sipp Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear Seat - Removable Panel I installed two approx. 4x4 inch access panels above each of two com antennas so I could remove them if required. Dick Sipp N110DV ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:07 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) Pete, If your DAR is talking about 91.203(b)(3), it says you have to have a magnetic direction indicator. Your AFS uses a (highly accurate) magnetometer to display magnetic heading. Nothing says it has to be non-electric, or that it has to be a wet compass. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Peter James wrote: > > > I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the > situation was this: > > > =B7 Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartzel l > designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a > =93certified=94 on a production airplane. The combination to the best of his > knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplane .. > Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Base d > on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not. > > > =B7 One interesting point that we discussed. He said the local F SDO > here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for testin g. > He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the speeds we > fly, it seemed that you were always =91turning left=92 to stay within the > radius. Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an airport 100 mil es > away and allow flight testing in a straight line to it. As example, I wi ll > likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will request a destination of > Burlington, IA (BRL). In that line of flight, I will fly over Pella, > Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant. There is always an airp ort > nearby in case of emergency. Being that I have family in two of those > cities, I will be able to stop for lunch during my flight testing time. > > > =B7 One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to > eliminate the =91wet compass=92 from my panel. I have dual AFS screens, with > dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I have to > have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the FARs to > allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in the 60=92s or > before, and they had not been updated for current technologies. He said I > needed to write a letter to the FSDO or standards office in Oklahoma. Ha s > anyone done this? I=92d sure like to eliminate the compass cluttering up the > windscreen. > > > p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed befor e > I am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a sales a nd > marketing pro, please let me know. > > > Pete > > RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project. > > > Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US > > Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs > > From: "aerosport1" > > > I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required > > to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 > experimental > > engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And i f > 25 > > why instead of 40. > > Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the li st > > > if you would like. > > > Thanks Geoff > > > -------- > > Geoff Combs > > RV-10 QB N829GW > > Finishing > > > Read this topic online here: > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 > > * > > =========== ========= > = > =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:33 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: re: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs (aerosport1) Make that 91.205... Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Dave Saylor < dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote: > Pete, > > If your DAR is talking about 91.203(b)(3), it says you have to have a > magnetic direction indicator. Your AFS uses a (highly accurate) > magnetometer to display magnetic heading. Nothing says it has to be > non-electric, or that it has to be a wet compass. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Peter James wrote: > >> >> >> I spoke with my DAR about this very topic recently. His take on the >> situation was this: >> >> >> >> =B7 Even though my engine was certified, and my prop is a Hartze ll >> designed for the plane, the combination of the two had never appeared on a >> =93certified=94 on a production airplane. The combination to the best o f his >> knowledge had only appeared on an RV-10, which is an EXPEIMENTAL airplan e. >> Therefore, the combination still had to be considered experimental. Bas ed >> on this, he said that I was going to get 40 hours, like it or not. >> >> >> >> =B7 One interesting point that we discussed. He said the local >> FSDO here in Iowa was growing more lenient about the 25 mile radius for >> testing. He had discussed the flying speed of the RV-10 and said at the >> speeds we fly, it seemed that you were always =91turning left=92 to stay within >> the radius. Therefore, he had been given leniency to pick an airport 10 0 >> miles away and allow flight testing in a straight line to it. As exampl e, I >> will likely base out of Ankeny, Ia(ILV) and will request a destination o f >> Burlington, IA (BRL). In that line of flight, I will fly over Pella, >> Oskaloosa, Ottumwa, Fairfield, and Mt. Pleasant. There is always an air port >> nearby in case of emergency. Being that I have family in two of those >> cities, I will be able to stop for lunch during my flight testing time. >> >> >> >> =B7 One other area that I pressed him about was this: I wish to >> eliminate the =91wet compass=92 from my panel. I have dual AFS screens, with >> dual AHARS, both with battery back-up. My question was why do I have to >> have a wet compass? He said that there was no provision in the FARs to >> allow it to be eliminated. He said the rules were written in the 60=92s or >> before, and they had not been updated for current technologies. He said I >> needed to write a letter to the FSDO or standards office in Oklahoma. H as >> anyone done this? I=92d sure like to eliminate the compass cluttering u p the >> windscreen. >> >> >> >> p.s. As a side note, I have lost my job. I hope to get reemployed befo re >> I am required to sell the plane. If you know of anyone needing a sales and >> marketing pro, please let me know. >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> RV-10 Escalade - the never ending project. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Time: 05:55:40 PM PST US >> >> Subject: RV10-List: Fly off time 25 hrs or 40hrs >> >> From: "aerosport1" >> >> >> >> >> >> I am looking for some feed back on the hours that people were required >> >> to fly off if they had the stock 2 blade Hartzell prop and the DA45 >> experimental >> >> engine from Aerosport Power or other know builder. Was it 25 or 40. And if >> 25 >> >> why instead of 40. >> >> Just curious. I have heard both ways with this combo. Email me off the >> list >> >> if you would like. >> >> >> >> Thanks Geoff >> >> >> >> -------- >> >> Geoff Combs >> >> RV-10 QB N829GW >> >> Finishing >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275369#275369 >> >> * >> >> =========== ========= >> = >> =========== =========== >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:58 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up Place a call to Vans support (if you haven't already) they will give you their version of what to do, if nothing else they need to be aware of their priming issues. My concern is that a few years back I grabbed a rusted fence and completely removed everything, I applied a few different primers (rust oleum, DTM wask primer, etc) than painted over it with a exterior paint. 1 year later I discovered rust was developing again. All I can think of is that I didn't get it all- although I sure thought I had everything covered.. My point is you probably need to pull some panels out and see if there is anything else "hidden" if you don't you may very well find some more surprises later that will stread back to what you already did, no matter how well you do it now.. Pascal From: Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up Welcome back to work everyone. J After closer inspection yesterday I found more than a dozen areas of filiform intruding on the interior surfaces. I'm thinking I'll try and scrub out the corrosion then treat those areas with an alodine pen. After that I'll go ahead and shoot the entire interior with the same self etching primer I used in the tail (Variprime). Have any of you primed over the top of Vans wash primer? If so, what did you do to prep the area and how well did your primer adhere? Thanks for the help, Phil From: Perry, Phil Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up This is intended for those listers who recently received their QB's. I've had mine for nearly 2 months and have now started seeing filiform corrosion forming on some of the areas where wash primer was not properly applied. If you look at the surface of your aluminum, you might notice it does not have a uniform color. The darker patches are where the primer was not properly applied and the corrosion is occurring only in these darker areas. >From this point forward, I'm going to scotchbrite out the corrosion and chase it with rattle can primer. If you've got a recent kit, keep your eyes peeled and take a good hard look in the darker tinted areas. The corrosion I am seeing is white and each runner is around 1/8" long. Phil www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www. matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhtt p://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:30:09 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: control stick wiring From: "nukeflyboy" Chris, I routed my cable thru the stick. It took a little work but it can be done without a minimum bend radius issue. I can send pics if you are interested. To provide adequate clearance to the instrument panel the stick needs to be cut down too. Also the grips should be clocked to avoid an uncomfortable wrist twist. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275532#275532 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:45 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: windows & fiberglass From: "nukeflyboy" Why not use the weld-on? It isn't that hard to work with and you don't have to research compatibility and strength. Plexi expands and contracts differently than the fiberglass and sometimes you see cracks in the painted finish around the windows. A thin layer of glass over the joint and covering the overlap will help avoid the cracking in the paint. Smooth it in with your favorite fill. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275535#275535 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:23 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: windows & fiberglass From: "johngoodman" Weld-on was the worst product I've ever used in my life. The warning label makes MEK look like mouthwash. .Respirator, goggles, and gloves are essential. It sets too fast and it's too runny. Cabosil helps but cuts into your set time. Once it's dry, you will have a devil of a time getting the unwanted droppings off. I used it on the side windows but decided to try Silpruf 2000 for the windshield. I like the results so far and it's safe to work with. I know Dave Saylor did his with Silpruf so maybe he can chime in. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275548#275548 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:55 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up From: "Perry, Phil" Talked with Scott @ Vans and he suggested the process below. Just scrub out the corrosion, alodine, then prime. So that's the plan.... It'll probably be next weekend before I can get around to it. Phil From: Pascal [mailto:rv10builder@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up Place a call to Vans support (if you haven't already) they will give you their version of what to do, if nothing else they need to be aware of their priming issues. My concern is that a few years back I grabbed a rusted fence and completely removed everything, I applied a few different primers (rust oleum, DTM wask primer, etc) than painted over it with a exterior paint. 1 year later I discovered rust was developing again. All I can think of is that I didn't get it all- although I sure thought I had everything covered.. My point is you probably need to pull some panels out and see if there is anything else "hidden" if you don't you may very well find some more surprises later that will stread back to what you already did, no matter how well you do it now.. Pascal From: Perry, Phil Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up Welcome back to work everyone. J After closer inspection yesterday I found more than a dozen areas of filiform intruding on the interior surfaces. I'm thinking I'll try and scrub out the corrosion then treat those areas with an alodine pen. After that I'll go ahead and shoot the entire interior with the same self etching primer I used in the tail (Variprime). Have any of you primed over the top of Vans wash primer? If so, what did you do to prep the area and how well did your primer adhere? Thanks for the help, Phil From: Perry, Phil Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: RV10-List: QB Corrosion - Heads Up This is intended for those listers who recently received their QB's. I've had mine for nearly 2 months and have now started seeing filiform corrosion forming on some of the areas where wash primer was not properly applied. If you look at the surface of your aluminum, you might notice it does not have a uniform color. The darker patches are where the primer was not properly applied and the corrosion is occurring only in these darker areas. >From this point forward, I'm going to scotchbrite out the corrosion and chase it with rattle can primer. If you've got a recent kit, keep your eyes peeled and take a good hard look in the darker tinted areas. The corrosion I am seeing is white and each runner is around 1/8" long. 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Steven DiNieri capsteve@iflyrv10.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:02 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: windows & fiberglass Cabosil? I'm getting ready to use this stuff despite the warnings but I didn't know you could used cabosil to thicken it. Is that part of the directions for use? Thanks. johngoodman wrote: > > Weld-on was the worst product I've ever used in my life. The warning label makes MEK look like mouthwash. .Respirator, goggles, and gloves are essential. It sets too fast and it's too runny. Cabosil helps but cuts into your set time. Once it's dry, you will have a devil of a time getting the unwanted droppings off. I used it on the side windows but decided to try Silpruf 2000 for the windshield. I like the results so far and it's safe to work with. I know Dave Saylor did his with Silpruf so maybe he can chime in. > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275548#275548 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:05 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: windows & fiberglass Since I have weld-on in house, that's my plan including the glass over the joint. do not archive Bill nukeflyboy wrote: > > Why not use the weld-on? It isn't that hard to work with and you don't have to research compatibility and strength. > > Plexi expands and contracts differently than the fiberglass and sometimes you see cracks in the painted finish around the windows. A thin layer of glass over the joint and covering the overlap will help avoid the cracking in the paint. Smooth it in with your favorite fill. > > -------- > Dave Moore > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB - FWF > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=275535#275535 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:18 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: RV10-List: iPhone SkyCharts For those of you who have iPhones, I just realized that the App SkyCharts, which has been out for quite a while ($9.99) now lets you cache all IFR data for each Sectional that you cache. Every 28 days you will have to recache the new data, but it's a great way to have a copy (or an extra copy) of all the approach plates for your route. For those who use EFB's (probably opening up a huge can of worms here), what constitutes a legal electronic representation of an approach plate? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:28 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: SB 08-6-1 Anyone finding any cracks? before or after the mod? We are still inspecting. if flying and before mod , how many hours? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:44 PM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: iPhone SkyCharts I have been using that app for a little while and love it. Tim mentioned that they are going to start charging a yearly fee in the future. Until then, it is great. When they first launched it had quite a few bugs, especially when uploading data. Now all is great. It actually is a perfectly legal system to use for flying approaches. Not that you wouldn't want a backup print copy with you. I can't remember the exact FAR terminology (I'm sure someone will have it), you have to make sure it does not interfere with any of your aircraft systems. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Jesse Saint Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 6:34:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: iPhone SkyCharts For those of you who have iPhones, I just realized that the App SkyCharts, which has been out for quite a while ($9.99) now lets you cache all IFR data for each Sectional that you cache. Every 28 days you will have to recache the new data, but it's a great way to have a copy (or an extra copy) of all the approach plates for your route. For those who use EFB's (probably opening up a huge can of worms here), what constitutes a legal electronic representation of an approach plate? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:23 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: SB 08-6-1 I suspect the only planes we would have ever seen these cracks on is the pl anes used for crosstraining.- These are the only planes doing a ton of st alls every month/year.- That being said, it's still-a mod worth doing. Don McDonald --- On Mon, 11/30/09, David McNeill wrote: From: David McNeill Subject: RV10-List: SB 08-6-1 Anyone finding any cracks? before or after the mod? 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