RV10-List Digest Archive

Sat 12/05/09


Total Messages Posted: 17



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:03 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Valve (Jesse Saint)
     2. 05:09 AM - Re: Re: Voyager sale Fri only (Jesse Saint)
     3. 05:39 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Valve (Jim)
     4. 06:32 AM - IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in December's Flying (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
     5. 08:02 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Valve (cjay)
     6. 08:02 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Valve (cjay)
     7. 08:07 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Valve (Perry, Phil)
     8. 10:42 AM - Feedback wanted (Michael Wellenzohn)
     9. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Valve (Carl Froehlich)
    10. 11:08 AM - Re: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight 	in December's Flying (Dj Merrill)
    11. 11:27 AM - Re: Feedback wanted (orchidman)
    12. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Feedback wanted (Marcus Cooper)
    13. 03:15 PM - Re: Feedback wanted (Dave Saylor)
    14. 04:28 PM - Re: Feedback wanted (David McNeill)
    15. 09:07 PM - Re: Rear seat heat duct (rvdave)
    16. 09:39 PM - Re: Rear seat heat duct (Bob Turner)
    17. 10:32 PM - Re: Feedback wanted (AirMike)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:03:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Valve
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    I had to look that one up. Am I the only one? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:59 PM, ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote: > > Kelly.. > I love the WTFDIK.....response ROFLMAO.....made my night > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


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    Time: 05:09:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Voyager sale Fri only
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    By the way, a buddy of mine showed me a way to run a script, so I can make a text file with one state on each line, save it as *.sh and run it from the command line and it will download each state individually and save it in its own directory. downloadplates.pl --states FL --destination plates/FL downloadplates.pl --states GA --destination plates/GA downloadplates.pl --states AL --destination plates/AL etc. Works great. I ran it all night and it's almost done. Now, to copy the states I want with me and put them on my iPhone so I have them with me whenever I fly. Next, to schedule in iCal to run the script every 28 days to download all changes automatically... do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:15 AM, orchidman wrote: > > > jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote: >> Fabulous link. Takes a little doing for a not-that-technical computer guy, but very nice once it's working. >> > > I like saving the chart plates by state. It takes a little longer to update things but I have a root folder called CHARTS. I then put each state in its own folder i.e. charts/TX > The script will put all of the TX airports in their own folders. > > downloadplates.pl --states TX --destination c:chartsTX > > Then if I wanted to see all the approaches into Georgetown, I would brows to CHARTS, then TX, then GTU and bingo, listed are all the FAA approach plates for Georgetown. They are free, and legal. The nice thing about this program is that it also automatically handles updates/additions/deletions. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276134#276134 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:39:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Valve
    From: "Jim" <jim@CombsFive.Com>
    I am slow but I did figure it out! This new wangled abbreviation stuff is VERY interesting! JimC Do not Archive! <jesse@saintaviation.com> I had to look that one up. Am I the only one? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:59 PM, ricksked@embarqmail.com wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: ricksked@embarqmail.com > > Kelly.. > I love the WTFDIK.....response ROFLMAO.....made my night > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on below to find out more about Incentive Gifts provided www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - The RV10-List Email Forum - Features Navigator to browse Un/Subscription, Chat, FAQ, --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - available via the Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 06:32:35 AM PST US
    From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in December's
    Flying I just finished Dick Karl's Gear Up column in the December 09 issue of Flying. He continued his not-always-attractively honest reportage of his journey in high end private flight in his Cheyenne. (It eventually gets posted on the Web but for now you have to get the magazine as far as I can tell). Cheyenne - RV10 - whatever, this situation could catch the best of us, especially if not familiar with airport. He got a difficult clearance at a difficult moment and forgot to reset the power while thinking things through. Definitely scared the crap out of himself. And it hit many of the points that were discussed here over the last few days. I've never flown into Lebanon airport but I have polished the surrounding mountains and explored some of the narrow valley fields. We once did a mass formation landing during a Region 1 glider meet at nearby Montpelier VT's airport. While waiting for a tow out, I remember wandering thru the terminal and seeing a giant granite wall welcoming us to the granite state. Those mountains are tall.... and hard too! Yeah, I know, it's just the east and I think it was daylight. Bill "ready for the shop" Watson


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    Time: 08:02:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Valve
    From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
    Before the thread gets diverted, who won the debate? Does the oil cooler valve provide utility? I have an extra push pull cable available if its a good idea since I didn't hook up the FAB alternate bypass valve. cjay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276311#276311


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    Time: 08:02:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Valve
    From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
    Before the thread gets diverted, who won the debate? Does the oil cooler valve provide utility? I have an extra push pull cable available if its a good idea since I didn't hook up the FAB alternate bypass valve. cjay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276312#276312


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    Time: 08:07:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Valve
    From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
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    Time: 10:42:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Feedback wanted
    From: "Michael Wellenzohn" <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>
    I just wanted some feedback if the cable routing is ok and if using cable-ties is ok. If not what did others use. Thanks Michael -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276352#276352 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00037_111.jpg


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    Time: 10:53:51 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Valve
    Don't know who won - but I have a homebrew butterfly valve on the air inlet to the oil cooler on my 8A and find it very useful. I'll have a similar valve on the 10. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Valve Before the thread gets diverted, who won the debate? Does the oil cooler valve provide utility? I have an extra push pull cable available if its a good idea since I didn't hook up the FAB alternate bypass valve. cjay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276311#276311


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    Time: 11:08:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in
    December's Flying
    From: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
    On 12/5/2009 9:21 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: > I've never flown into Lebanon airport but I have polished the > surrounding mountains and explored some of the narrow valley fields. We I learned to fly out of the Lebanon, NH airport, and it can be challenging. As a VFR pilot, there are many directions approaching the airport that you can't see the airport until you are very close to it. The airport is nestled between some nice "hills" that run mostly parallel to runway 18/36. The IFR approaches bring you out over some "interesting" terrain, and with a bit of wind, it can get pretty bumpy with all the hills disrupting the air. If you go missed, you definitely want to make sure you follow the published procedure. On the positive side, absolutely some of the most beautiful country to see when you are flying. The view itself is enough of an incentive to put up with the hassle of winter flying. -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Grumman Yankee Driver N9870L - http://deej.net/yankee/


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    Time: 11:27:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Feedback wanted
    From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
    Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > I just wanted some feedback if the cable routing is ok and if using cable-ties is ok. If not what did others use. > > Thanks Michael Don't use the ties around your fuel injector lines or oil return lines underneath the cylinders or around your engine mount. Use adel clamps on the injector lines like you already have from the engine shop. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276359#276359


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    Time: 01:31:37 PM PST US
    From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Feedback wanted
    In addition to the below comment, one thing I got from one of my inspectors a few airplanes ago was not to tie things together directly with the tie wraps as it invites chafing. Instead use 3 tie wraps, one around each item and then one to connect the two tie wraps. I vaguely remember some discussion contrary to this, but that was from an FAA guy and it made sense to me. The routing itself looks very nice in my opinion. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Feedback wanted Do not archive Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > I just wanted some feedback if the cable routing is ok and if using cable-ties is ok. If not what did others use. > > Thanks Michael Don't use the ties around your fuel injector lines or oil return lines underneath the cylinders or around your engine mount. Use adel clamps on the injector lines like you already have from the engine shop. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276359#276359


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    Time: 03:15:15 PM PST US
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Feedback wanted
    Michael, A couple points: First, as unlikely as it seems, cable ties will chafe into aluminum and steel tubes after a couple hundred hours or less. Adel clamps are a huge pain in the butt but there's nothing better for securing something to a tube. Second, I've never had any luck getting the adhesive pads on cable tie mounts to stick very well, even under the best conditions. Don't count on those on the firewall staying there very long. In cool areas we glue them on with Hysol. In a hot area like the engine compartment you're gonna need a pop rivet or two. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Michael Wellenzohn <rv-10@wellenzohn.net>wrote: > rv-10@wellenzohn.net> > > I just wanted some feedback if the cable routing is ok and if using > cable-ties is ok. If not what did others use. > > Thanks Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276352#276352 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00037_111.jpg > >


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    Time: 04:28:29 PM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Feedback wanted
    You can also use silicone tape which sticks only to itself. Then a cable tie over the tape. Just not too tight on the tie over the tape. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Feedback wanted Michael, A couple points: First, as unlikely as it seems, cable ties will chafe into aluminum and steel tubes after a couple hundred hours or less. Adel clamps are a huge pain in the butt but there's nothing better for securing something to a tube. Second, I've never had any luck getting the adhesive pads on cable tie mounts to stick very well, even under the best conditions. Don't count on those on the firewall staying there very long. In cool areas we glue them on with Hysol. In a hot area like the engine compartment you're gonna need a pop rivet or two. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Michael Wellenzohn <rv-10@wellenzohn.net> wrote: I just wanted some feedback if the cable routing is ok and if using cable-ties is ok. If not what did others use. Thanks Michael -------- RV-10 builder (avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276352#276352 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00037_111.jpg ========== ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le, List Admin. ========== arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ==========


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    Time: 09:07:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rear seat heat duct
    From: "rvdave" <davidbf@centurytel.net>
    What change was made in later kits to solve the heat problem? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276422#276422


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    Time: 09:39:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rear seat heat duct
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    Current kits have placed the fuel selector valve lower, allowing more room for the heat duct to pass. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276424#276424


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    Time: 10:32:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Feedback wanted
    From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
    I am with Dave - I used a roll of silicone tape from Spruce to tie it all together. It is awesome. Use a scissors to cut the 1" strips into 1/2" strips and wrap it around anything loose. EGT. CHT wires, ignition, all the ignition wires and EFIS wires, and as an anti chafe. I think that it goes to 400 degrees Fahrenheit. Even if the cable ties do not melt on you they harden and break over time. Only behind the firewall. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - testing phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276425#276425




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