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1. 04:32 AM - Re: electric fuel pump current (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:49 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (orchidman)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (gary)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Stiff control cables (Dave Leikam)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (Tim Olson)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (Dave Saylor)
7. 08:01 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (David McNeill)
8. 08:13 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (orchidman)
9. 08:13 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (gary)
10. 10:39 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (Scott Schmidt)
11. 11:07 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (Don McDonald)
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| Subject: | Re: electric fuel pump current |
As was already mentioned in a reply, it needs at least a 7.5A breaker. If you
use the right size wire, I would go with a 10A. Van's wiring guide is designed
for a carbureted engine, not a fuel injected one. I don't understand why.
How many on the list are going carbureted? I think this is one of the only places
where it matters, but it does matter. The boost pump for a carbureted engine
only puts out less than 10 PSI, so it doesn't draw as much current. I don't
understand why they didn't just size the wire enough for a 10A breaker and
put that in the kit. A 10A breaker is fine for a low-pressure pump, but not
vice versa for the 5A.
Anyway, that's the reason it's in the kit. I found out the hard way about 5 years
ago.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
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> I've been following Van's electrical kit instructions: they call for a 5 Amp
breaker for the fuel pump (the one sold by Van's). But today I noticed the pump
instructions say it draws 5 amps; they call for a 7 or 10 amp breaker. Has anyone
run this pump on a 5 amp breaker without false trips?
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff control cables |
dave.saylor.aircrafters(a wrote:
> I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two longer.?
Any suggestions?
>
> Dave Saylor
>
Dave,
I have not had that problem but I did install cables a little longer then the stock
cables. I think the longer cables allows a little more give in the routing.
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Subject: | Stiff control cables |
I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. The
liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine melted
from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the closed
valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the problem.
Gary Specketer
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Stiff control cables
Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have the
quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the
mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once
the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've
gotten progressively worse over time.
They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but
manageable.
The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the
governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either.
Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not
exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction
knob?
I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two
longer. Any suggestions?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
N921AC 540 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff control cables |
Were did you get the longer cables?
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA
Muskego, WI
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From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stiff control cables
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> dave.saylor.aircrafters(a wrote:
>> I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two
>> longer.? Any suggestions?
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>> Dave Saylor
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> Dave,
> I have not had that problem but I did install cables a little longer then
> the stock cables. I think the longer cables allows a little more give in
> the routing.
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> Gary Blankenbiller
> RV10 - # 40674
> (N2GB Flying)
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff control cables |
I had one cable that was a little long or sagged low enough enroute
to my prop governor that it was within 3 or 4" of the heat muff.
Ended up melting some of the outer sheath a little. I ended up
wrapping it in aluminum tape as a heat reflector and that has
kept it holding up. But I won't be surprised if that one gets
sticky before the others.
My quadrant though, going into the 4th year soon, has always been
about perfect on tension. I don't really use the tensioner,
it slides freely in warm or cold, and it doesn't back off
and move un-commanded. I had standard cable lengths, which
although seemingly short, I was able to find good routings
on and it's just always worked well.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
gary wrote:
> I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner.
> The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine
> melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the
> closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the
> problem.
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> Gary Specketer
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor
> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Stiff control cables
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> Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have
> the quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but
> the mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move.
> Once the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel
> fine. They've gotten progressively worse over time.
>
> They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but
> manageable.
>
> The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the
> governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either.
>
> Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but
> not exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the
> friction knob?
>
> I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two
> longer. Any suggestions?
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff control cables |
Gary, was that one of the green sheathed cables? I'm kind of surprised it
has a plastic liner but that would explain it.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner.
> The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine
> melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the
> closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the
> problem.
>
>
> Gary Specketer
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> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor
> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM
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> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Stiff control cables
>
>
> Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have
> the quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the
> mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once
> the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've
> gotten progressively worse over time.
>
>
> They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but
> manageable.
>
> The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the
> governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either.
>
> Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not
> exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction
> knob?
>
> I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two
> longer. Any suggestions?
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Stiff control cables |
I believe the the T,M,P cables are Cablecraft cables. Try
http://www.tuthill.com/us/en/brands/Cablecraft.cfm They make the cables for
Cessna. You can order direct form Cablecraft
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables
Gary, was that one of the green sheathed cables? I'm kind of surprised it
has a plastic liner but that would explain it.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. The
liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine melted
from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the closed
valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the problem.
Gary Specketer
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Stiff control cables
Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have the
quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the
mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once
the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've
gotten progressively worse over time.
They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but
manageable.
The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the
governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either.
Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not
exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction
knob?
I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two
longer. Any suggestions?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
N921AC 540 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff control cables |
daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com wrote:
> Were did you get the longer cables?
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10 #40496
> N89DA
> Muskego, WI
>
> ---
When I ordered by FF kit, I had them swap out 2 of my cables for longer ones.
Van's has several different lengths available and they can also custom order if
what you want is not one of their stock lengths.
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)
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| Subject: | Stiff control cables |
It was a black coated one from Aircraft Spruce.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables
Gary, was that one of the green sheathed cables? I'm kind of surprised it
has a plastic liner but that would explain it.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, gary <speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. The
liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine melted
from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the closed
valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the problem.
Gary Specketer
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Stiff control cables
Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have the
quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the
mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once
the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've
gotten progressively worse over time.
They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but
manageable.
The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the
governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either.
Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not
exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction
knob?
I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two
longer. Any suggestions?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
N921AC 540 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff control cables |
Check your cables closely. I have seen pictures on other sites where the inner
cable unravels inside the sheath.
I am not sure if you can take the inner cable out to check this very easy but it
is something you should consider.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: gary <speckter@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 9:11:52 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stiff control cables
It was a black coated one from Aircraft
Spruce.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009
9:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff
control cables
Gary ,
was that one of the green sheathed cables? I'm kind of surprised it has a
plastic liner but that would explain it.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville , CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, gary
<speckter@comcast.net> wrote:
I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic
liner. The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat
source. Mine melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it
exited the closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and
solve the problem.
Gary Specketer
________________________________
From:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009
11:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Stiff control
cables
Has anyone had
their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have the quadrant and
the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the mixture and prop
are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once the engine warms
up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've gotten
progressively worse over time.
They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but
manageable.
The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the
governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either.
Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not
exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction
knob?
I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two
longer. Any suggestions?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville , CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
N921AC 540 hours
www.aeroelectric.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff control cables |
First, I agreeeee with all that Tim said.... what I did was swap the cables
around... and by doing so, I only had to replace one cable (the shortest o
ne) with one that would now be the longest one.- So far all appear to be
working perfectly.
Don McDonald
--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables
I had one cable that was a little long or sagged low enough enroute
to my prop governor that it was within 3 or 4" of the heat muff.
Ended up melting some of the outer sheath a little.- I ended up
wrapping it in aluminum tape as a heat reflector and that has
kept it holding up.- But I won't be surprised if that one gets
sticky before the others.
My quadrant though, going into the 4th year soon, has always been
about perfect on tension. I don't really use the tensioner,
it slides freely in warm or cold, and it doesn't back off
and move un-commanded.- I had standard cable lengths, which
although seemingly short, I was able to find good routings
on and it's just always worked well.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
gary wrote:
> I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner.
- The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source.- Mi
ne melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the
closed valve.- I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the pr
oblem.
>
>-
> Gary Specketer
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serv
er@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor
> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Stiff control cables
>
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> Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight?- I hav
e the quadrant and the cables that came with it.- The throttle is OK but
the mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move.-
Once the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine.-
They've gotten progressively worse over time.
>
> They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but
manageable.
> The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the g
overnor.- It's not in the quadrant pivot either.
>
> Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not
exactly needed at this point).- Do other people actually use the frictio
n knob?
>
> I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two lon
ger.- Any suggestions?
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
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> N921AC 540 hours
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