---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/08/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:32 AM - Re: electric fuel pump current (Jesse Saint) 2. 05:49 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (orchidman) 3. 06:06 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (gary) 4. 06:49 AM - Re: Re: Stiff control cables (Dave Leikam) 5. 07:16 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (Tim Olson) 6. 07:24 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (Dave Saylor) 7. 08:01 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (David McNeill) 8. 08:13 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (orchidman) 9. 08:13 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (gary) 10. 10:39 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (Scott Schmidt) 11. 11:07 AM - Re: Stiff control cables (Don McDonald) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: electric fuel pump current From: Jesse Saint As was already mentioned in a reply, it needs at least a 7.5A breaker. If you use the right size wire, I would go with a 10A. Van's wiring guide is designed for a carbureted engine, not a fuel injected one. I don't understand why. How many on the list are going carbureted? I think this is one of the only places where it matters, but it does matter. The boost pump for a carbureted engine only puts out less than 10 PSI, so it doesn't draw as much current. I don't understand why they didn't just size the wire enough for a 10A breaker and put that in the kit. A 10A breaker is fine for a low-pressure pump, but not vice versa for the 5A. Anyway, that's the reason it's in the kit. I found out the hard way about 5 years ago. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Bob Turner wrote: > > I've been following Van's electrical kit instructions: they call for a 5 Amp breaker for the fuel pump (the one sold by Van's). But today I noticed the pump instructions say it draws 5 amps; they call for a 7 or 10 amp breaker. Has anyone run this pump on a 5 amp breaker without false trips? > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276665#276665 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:28 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stiff control cables From: "orchidman" dave.saylor.aircrafters(a wrote: > I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two longer.? Any suggestions? > > Dave Saylor > Dave, I have not had that problem but I did install cables a little longer then the stock cables. I think the longer cables allows a little more give in the routing. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276681#276681 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:00 AM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stiff control cables I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the problem. Gary Specketer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stiff control cables Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have the quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've gotten progressively worse over time. They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but manageable. The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either. Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction knob? I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two longer. Any suggestions? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell N921AC 540 hours ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:35 AM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Stiff control cables Were did you get the longer cables? Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "orchidman" Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stiff control cables > > > dave.saylor.aircrafters(a wrote: >> I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two >> longer.? Any suggestions? >> >> Dave Saylor >> > > Dave, > I have not had that problem but I did install cables a little longer then > the stock cables. I think the longer cables allows a little more give in > the routing. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276681#276681 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:23 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables I had one cable that was a little long or sagged low enough enroute to my prop governor that it was within 3 or 4" of the heat muff. Ended up melting some of the outer sheath a little. I ended up wrapping it in aluminum tape as a heat reflector and that has kept it holding up. But I won't be surprised if that one gets sticky before the others. My quadrant though, going into the 4th year soon, has always been about perfect on tension. I don't really use the tensioner, it slides freely in warm or cold, and it doesn't back off and move un-commanded. I had standard cable lengths, which although seemingly short, I was able to find good routings on and it's just always worked well. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive gary wrote: > I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. > The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine > melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the > closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the > problem. > > > > Gary Specketer > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor > *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Stiff control cables > > > > Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have > the quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but > the mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. > Once the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel > fine. They've gotten progressively worse over time. > > They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but > manageable. > > The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the > governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either. > > Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but > not exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the > friction knob? > > I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two > longer. Any suggestions? > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > N921AC 540 hours > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:45 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables Gary, was that one of the green sheathed cables? I'm kind of surprised it has a plastic liner but that would explain it. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, gary wrote: > I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. > The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine > melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the > closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the > problem. > > > Gary Specketer > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor > *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM > > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Stiff control cables > > > Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have > the quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the > mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once > the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've > gotten progressively worse over time. > > > They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but > manageable. > > The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the > governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either. > > Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not > exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction > knob? > > I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two > longer. Any suggestions? > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > N921AC 540 hours > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:57 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stiff control cables I believe the the T,M,P cables are Cablecraft cables. Try http://www.tuthill.com/us/en/brands/Cablecraft.cfm They make the cables for Cessna. You can order direct form Cablecraft _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:23 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables Gary, was that one of the green sheathed cables? I'm kind of surprised it has a plastic liner but that would explain it. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, gary wrote: I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the problem. Gary Specketer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stiff control cables Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have the quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've gotten progressively worse over time. They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but manageable. The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either. Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction knob? I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two longer. Any suggestions? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell N921AC 540 hours www.aeroelectric.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:44 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Stiff control cables From: "orchidman" daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com wrote: > Were did you get the longer cables? > > Dave Leikam > RV-10 #40496 > N89DA > Muskego, WI > > --- When I ordered by FF kit, I had them swap out 2 of my cables for longer ones. Van's has several different lengths available and they can also custom order if what you want is not one of their stock lengths. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=276697#276697 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:48 AM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stiff control cables It was a black coated one from Aircraft Spruce. Gary _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables Gary, was that one of the green sheathed cables? I'm kind of surprised it has a plastic liner but that would explain it. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, gary wrote: I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the problem. Gary Specketer _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stiff control cables Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have the quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've gotten progressively worse over time. They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but manageable. The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either. Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction knob? I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two longer. Any suggestions? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell N921AC 540 hours www.aeroelectric.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:08 AM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables Check your cables closely. I have seen pictures on other sites where the inner cable unravels inside the sheath. I am not sure if you can take the inner cable out to check this very easy but it is something you should consider. Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: gary Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 9:11:52 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Stiff control cables It was a black coated one from Aircraft Spruce. Gary ________________________________ From:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables Gary , was that one of the green sheathed cables? I'm kind of surprised it has a plastic liner but that would explain it. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville , CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, gary wrote: I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the problem. Gary Specketer ________________________________ From:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM Subject: RV10-List: Stiff control cables Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have the quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've gotten progressively worse over time. They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but manageable. The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either. Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction knob? I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two longer. Any suggestions? Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville , CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell N921AC 540 hours www.aeroelectric.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:34 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables First, I agreeeee with all that Tim said.... what I did was swap the cables around... and by doing so, I only had to replace one cable (the shortest o ne) with one that would now be the longest one.- So far all appear to be working perfectly. Don McDonald --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Tim Olson wrote: From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables I had one cable that was a little long or sagged low enough enroute to my prop governor that it was within 3 or 4" of the heat muff. Ended up melting some of the outer sheath a little.- I ended up wrapping it in aluminum tape as a heat reflector and that has kept it holding up.- But I won't be surprised if that one gets sticky before the others. My quadrant though, going into the 4th year soon, has always been about perfect on tension. I don't really use the tensioner, it slides freely in warm or cold, and it doesn't back off and move un-commanded.- I had standard cable lengths, which although seemingly short, I was able to find good routings on and it's just always worked well. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive gary wrote: > I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner. - The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source.- Mi ne melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the closed valve.- I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the pr oblem. > >- > Gary Specketer > >- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serv er@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor > *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Stiff control cables > >- > Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight?- I hav e the quadrant and the cables that came with it.- The throttle is OK but the mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move.- Once the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine.- They've gotten progressively worse over time. > > They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but manageable. > The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the g overnor.- It's not in the quadrant pivot either. > > Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not exactly needed at this point).- Do other people actually use the frictio n knob? > > I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two lon ger.- Any suggestions? > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > N921AC 540 hours > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.homebuilthelp.com* > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > * > > > * le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.