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1. 04:35 AM - source for relay (Chris Hukill)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: source for relay (DLM)
3. 05:06 AM - Re: source for relay (DLM)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in Decem... (Bob Leffler)
5. 06:45 AM - Re: source for relay (gary)
6. 08:48 AM - Hank from the Netherlands (gary)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: Hank from the Netherlands (Deems Davis)
8. 10:20 AM - Re: Hank from the Netherlands (Bob Leffler)
9. 11:37 AM - Re: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in Decem... (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
10. 03:05 PM - Re: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight in Dece (robhickman@aol.com)
11. 03:46 PM - Van's List of RV-10's (Deems Davis)
12. 04:13 PM - Re: Van's List of RV-10's (Jeff Carpenter)
13. 04:47 PM - Re: Van's List of RV-10's (ricksked@embarqmail.com)
14. 04:49 PM - G3i Ignition (Jesse Saint)
15. 05:30 PM - Re: Van's List of RV-10's (Robin Marks)
16. 05:45 PM - Re: G3i Ignition (John Cumins)
17. 06:54 PM - Re: G3i Ignition (Kelly McMullen)
18. 07:34 PM - Re: G3i Ignition (Pascal)
19. 08:01 PM - Re: G3i Ignition (n277dl)
20. 08:03 PM - Re: Feedback wanted (nukeflyboy)
21. 10:04 PM - Re: Van's List of RV-10's (John Cox)
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| Subject: | source for relay |
Does anyone know a source for a high quality, low holding current,
continuous duty relay, in the 20 (+) amp range. I need one for the
avionics master, and another for the Ebus alternate feed. Couldn't find
anything in the archives.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
painting interior, if it ever warms up enough
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| Subject: | source for relay |
vhttp://www.azgita.gov/psic/meetings/2001/022701.pdf
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: source for relay
Does anyone know a source for a high quality, low holding current,
continuous duty relay, in the 20 (+) amp range. I need one for the avionics
master, and another for the Ebus alternate feed. Couldn't find anything in
the archives.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
painting interior, if it ever warms up enough
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| Subject: | source for relay |
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/masterrelay.php
I sent bad link
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: source for relay
Does anyone know a source for a high quality, low holding current,
continuous duty relay, in the 20 (+) amp range. I need one for the avionics
master, and another for the Ebus alternate feed. Couldn't find anything in
the archives.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
painting interior, if it ever warms up enough
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| Subject: | IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight |
in Decem...
I'm not sure I agree that Dynon's style of marketing is better. I equate
Dynon's Skyview rollout to GM selling a new Corvette with a new engine, but
then telling you that they aren't sure when they'll be able to sell you
tires. I think they released the product early with some functionality
missing that should have been there on initial release. I think it will be
a good product when all the functionality is available, but at initial
release it isn't much more than a simple six-pack replacement.
AFS held shipping until everything worked. I'm not sure which approach is
better, but I'm not a fan of either approach.
Pre-announcing products/features are a lose/lose situation. Consumers are
upset because of the delays. Revenues are reduced because everyone is
waiting for the new product and not purchasing current products.
Additionally, additional loss of revenue from folks tired of waiting and go
with a competitive product. We've seen similar situations in the consumer
electronics and computer industries
Also, look how the pendulum swings the other way. GRT seems to be very
conservative these days with product announcements after they went through a
similar scenario a couple years ago. Fortunately, I think the EFIS market
is maturing. Long term success will be the vendor that consistently
delivers new products/features on a regular basis as close to the initial
delivery date as possible. Let's hope all the EFIS vendors learn from these
debacles and are strong competitors for many years to come. Then it will
be a win/win for all.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight
in Decem...
For me yes, my order for the AdvancedDecks was in back in November last
year. Seems it depends on more than just the order they were ordered in vs
when you receive them. Don't get me wrong, I still think that Rob's EFIS is
in the top two out there but I'm on my third delivery date now (not counting
the numerous general dates we have all heard) and others have received
theirs with considerably less wait time. Now I do understand the philosophy
behind getting people that are ready to fly their equipment but at some
point that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and you need to address the
people that have been waiting excessively.
Honestly they could have stayed out of this situation by avoiding overly
optimistic delivery targets. Dynon's approach to this style of marketing
was much better IMHO.
Michael
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| Subject: | source for relay |
Go to your local auto parts place and get a relay for headlights. They are
rated somewhere around 20 amps. And are cheap.
Gary Specketer
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: source for relay
Does anyone know a source for a high quality, low holding current,
continuous duty relay, in the 20 (+) amp range. I need one for the avionics
master, and another for the Ebus alternate feed. Couldn't find anything in
the archives.
Thanx
Chris Hukill
painting interior, if it ever warms up enough
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| Subject: | Hank from the Netherlands |
A couple of years ago a guy from the Netherlands was at OSH with us. Has
anyone heard from him lately, is he flying?
Gary Specketer
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| Subject: | Re: Hank from the Netherlands |
Henkjen van der Zouw
His Kitlog site http://www.mykitlog.com/phzme indicates he's still
building. I believe he had a couple of key employees in his business
leave, and it put a delay into his plans.
Deems
gary wrote:
>
> A couple of years ago a guy from the Netherlands was at OSH with us. Has
> anyone heard from him lately, is he flying?
>
> Gary Specketer
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Hank from the Netherlands |
Henkjen was at RV-10 HQ three years ago. Time flies when you're having fun.
Bart and Martha van Ruth camped with us two years ago. They were in the
spot next to the one Janice and I camped, by the tree line and the row of
porta johns.
He has a kitlog site as well: http://www.mykitlog.com/Bart%20van%20Rut
He purchased a 172 last summer, which I'm sure slowed his build down a
little. The last update in Kitlog was in August. I've sent him a few
emails over the last year or so, but never got a response.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hank from the Netherlands
Henkjen van der Zouw
His Kitlog site http://www.mykitlog.com/phzme indicates he's still
building. I believe he had a couple of key employees in his business
leave, and it put a delay into his plans.
Deems
gary wrote:
>
> A couple of years ago a guy from the Netherlands was at OSH with us. Has
> anyone heard from him lately, is he flying?
>
> Gary Specketer
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight |
in Decem...
I believe the ars upgrDe should be filled on a firs come first served
basis. It just seems unfair to wait until new units are all shipped
even though you were ready to buy the upgrade long before the
prospective new unit buyer placed an order. I'm just sayin.
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
robert@brunklaw.com
On Dec 10, 2009, at 7:31 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> I=99m not sure I agree that Dynon=99s style of marketing
is
> better. I equate Dynon=99s Skyview rollout to GM selling a
new Corv
> ette with a new engine, but then telling you that they aren=99t
sure w
> hen they=99ll be able to sell you tires. I think they released
the p
> roduct early with some functionality missing that should have been t
> here on initial release. I think it will be a good product when all
> the functionality is available, but at initial release it isn=99t
muc
> h more than a simple six-pack replacement.
>
>
> AFS held shipping until everything worked. I=99m not sure which
appro
> ach is better, but I=99m not a fan of either approach.
>
>
> Pre-announcing products/features are a lose/lose situation.
> Consumers are upset because of the delays. Revenues are reduced
> because everyone is waiting for the new product and not purchasing
> current products. Additionally, additional loss of revenue from
> folks tired of waiting and go with a competitive product. We=99ve
seen
> similar situations in the consumer electronics and computer industr
> ies
>
>
> Also, look how the pendulum swings the other way. GRT seems to be
> very conservative these days with product announcements after they
> went through a similar scenario a couple years ago. Fortunately, I
> think the EFIS market is maturing. Long term success will be the
> vendor that consistently delivers new products/features on a regular
> basis as close to the initial delivery date as possible. Let=99s
hope
> all the EFIS vendors learn from these debacles and are strong compe
> titors for many years to come. Then it will be a win/win for all.
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:34 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy
> night flight in Decem...
>
>
> For me yes, my order for the AdvancedDecks was in back in November
> last year. Seems it depends on more than just the order they were
> ordered in vs when you receive them. Don=99t get me wrong, I
still th
> ink that Rob=99s EFIS is in the top two out there but I=99m
on my
> third delivery date now (not counting the numerous general dates we
> have all heard) and others have received theirs with considerably le
> ss wait time. Now I do understand the philosophy behind getting peo
> ple that are ready to fly their equipment but at some point that bec
> omes a self fulfilling prophecy and you need to address the people t
> hat have been waiting excessively.
>
>
> Honestly they could have stayed out of this situation by avoiding
> overly optimistic delivery targets. Dynon=99s approach to this
style
> of marketing was much better IMHO.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night flight |
in Dece
We are not waiting until we have shipped all the new units before we start
the upgrades. We will be ready to start upgrades in January and they will
be done in order of order. Now that we are actually producing units in
volume we are trying to ship them by order date.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems Inc.
In a message dated 12/10/2009 11:39:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rebrunk42@gmail.com writes:
I believe the ars upgrDe should be filled on a firs come first served
basis. It just seems unfair to wait until new units are all shipped even
though
you were ready to buy the upgrade long before the prospective new unit
buyer placed an order. I'm just sayin.
Sent from my iPhone
Robert E. Brunkenhoefer
Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.
520 Lawrence St.
Corpus Christi, Texas 78401
Phone: 361-888-8808
Facsimile: 361-888-6753
_robert@brunklaw.com_ (mailto:robert@brunklaw.com)
On Dec 10, 2009, at 7:31 AM, "Bob Leffler" <_rv@thelefflers.com_
(mailto:rv@thelefflers.com) > wrote:
I=99m not sure I agree that Dynon=99s style of marketing is
better. I
equate Dynon=99s Skyview rollout to GM selling a new Corvette with
a new
engine, but then telling you that they aren=99t sure when they
=99ll be able to sell
you tires. I think they released the product early with some
functionality missing that should have been there on initial release. I
think it will
be a good product when all the functionality is available, but at initial
release it isn=99t much more than a simple six-pack replacement.
AFS held shipping until everything worked. I=99m not sure which ap
proach is
better, but I=99m not a fan of either approach.
Pre-announcing products/features are a lose/lose situation. Consumers
are upset because of the delays. Revenues are reduced because everyon
e is
waiting for the new product and not purchasing current products.
Additionally, additional loss of revenue from folks tired of waiting and
go with a
competitive product. We=99ve seen similar situations in the consume
r
electronics and computer industries
Also, look how the pendulum swings the other way. GRT seems to be very
conservative these days with product announcements after they went through
a
similar scenario a couple years ago. Fortunately, I think the EFIS marke
t
is maturing. Long term success will be the vendor that consistently
delivers new products/features on a regular basis as close to the initial
delivery date as possible. Let=99s hope all the EFIS vendors learn
from these
debacles and are strong competitors for many years to come. Then it wil
l be
a win/win for all.
From: _owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-se
rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: IFR continued - A great dark and stormy night
flight in Decem...
For me yes, my order for the AdvancedDecks was in back in November last
year. Seems it depends on more than just the order they were ordered in
vs
when you receive them. Don=99t get me wrong, I still think that Ro
b=99s EFIS
is in the top two out there but I=99m on my third delivery date now
(not
counting the numerous general dates we have all heard) and others have re
ceived
theirs with considerably less wait time. Now I do understand the
philosophy behind getting people that are ready to fly their equipment bu
t at some
point that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and you need to address the
people that have been waiting excessively.
Honestly they could have stayed out of this situation by avoiding overly
optimistic delivery targets. Dynon=99s approach to this style of
marketing
was much better IMHO.
Michael
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| Subject: | Van's List of RV-10's |
Has anybody noticed that Van's count of flying RV10's has increased by
about 30 in the past week or two? It currently lists 249 flying RV10's.
I check it a couple of time a week, and the numbers keep growing but I
don't see any 'reports' on their web site. The last they posted was Rick
Sked. I know that John Cox has about 10$ more in his database than Van's
had on their website, John, have you been feeding info to Van's to get
them current?
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
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| Subject: | Re: Van's List of RV-10's |
Well, I personally cranked out 10 of these bad boys last month... like
a hot knife through butter.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Sanding and filling... sanding and filling.
do not archive
On Dec 10, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Has anybody noticed that Van's count of flying RV10's has increased
> by about 30 in the past week or two? It currently lists 249 flying
> RV10's. I check it a couple of time a week, and the numbers keep
> growing but I don't see any 'reports' on their web site. The last
> they posted was Rick Sked. I know that John Cox has about 10$ more
> in his database than Van's had on their website, John, have you been
> feeding info to Van's to get them current?
>
>
> Deems Davis
> N519PJ
> www.deemsrv10.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Van's List of RV-10's |
Mines for sale...I want to build another....and that's the only reason...so the
answer is not anything "lost" or "sick". Just want to do another one. I got me
this hot butter knife.... Interested check Barnstormers. In the meantime I'm
gonna fly the crap outta it!!!
Rick Sked
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Carpenter <jeff@westcottpress.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's List of RV-10's
Well, I personally cranked out 10 of these bad boys last month... like
a hot knife through butter.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Sanding and filling... sanding and filling.
do not archive
On Dec 10, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> Has anybody noticed that Van's count of flying RV10's has increased
> by about 30 in the past week or two? It currently lists 249 flying
> RV10's. I check it a couple of time a week, and the numbers keep
> growing but I don't see any 'reports' on their web site. The last
> they posted was Rick Sked. I know that John Cox has about 10$ more
> in his database than Van's had on their website, John, have you been
> feeding info to Van's to get them current?
>
>
> Deems Davis
> N519PJ
> www.deemsrv10.com
>
>
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Has anybody installed (or have experience with) the G3i electronic
ignition system?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Van's List of RV-10's |
I keep thinking I should send Vans a note informing them of my First
Flight now over a year ago. I am still waiting for Air to Air photos I
guess.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Van's List of RV-10's
Has anybody noticed that Van's count of flying RV10's has increased by
about 30 in the past week or two? It currently lists 249 flying RV10's.
I check it a couple of time a week, and the numbers keep growing but I
don't see any 'reports' on their web site. The last they posted was Rick
Sked. I know that John Cox has about 10$ more in his database than Van's
had on their website, John, have you been feeding info to Van's to get
them current?
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
12/10/09 07:36:00
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Jesse
I am going to go with this ignition system it totally make since to me being
a old a&p having mags as a backup if the electronics goes out is the only
way to go.
I talked to the Manager at Eagle engines they have installed it a few times
and has one installed on there test stand they run all engines they work on,
it looks like a great product.
I have in the past over 30 yrs ago used the MFD products on my car and they
were flawless. So I am sure this product runs in line with that.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: G3i Ignition
Has anybody installed (or have experience with) the G3i electronic ignition
system?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: G3i Ignition |
While the concept looks good in some ways, what I don't understand is
what you actually gain over a well maintained magneto. The timing
doesn't change, still fixed. So you get a multiple spark..maybe that
helps if you have an oil burner, but seems like a lot of money to gain
very little. Maybe I am missing something, maybe I misread.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:42 PM, John Cumins <jcumins@jcis.net> wrote:
> Jesse
>
>
> I am going to go with this ignition system it totally make since to me being
> a old a&p having mags as a backup if the electronics goes out is the only
> way to go.
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| Subject: | Re: G3i Ignition |
Larry vetterman used/uses it:
Now after flying it almost 100 hours, here are the reasons that I really
like the G3. #1. Easy to install, even I could follow the wiring
diagrams. 2. the system uses the existing mags and if there is an
electrical failure, the mags operate normally. 3. the engine starts very
well both hot and cold. 4. I can now run lean of peak if desired whereas
before my M1B, with standard mags balked at anything beyond peak EGT. 5.
I see a lower ghp with the G3 vs standard mags. 6. The M1B engine is
extremely smooth with the G3. 7. I used the expensive Champion fine wire
spark plugs(I had a set on the shelf) gapped to .021 however I
understand that an inexpensive automotive plug can also be used
check out his site for the full report- under the prop comparison.
Pascal
From: Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: G3i Ignition
Has anybody installed (or have experience with) the G3i electronic
ignition system?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: G3i Ignition |
I've installed on the -10 but it hasn't been started yet. It is a fairly easy
install. Thomas Shpakow was great to talk with. He was always willing to answer
my dumb questions.
Not sure if he's changed the manual but early on, he was trying to show all the
possible ways to install and made the install appear much more complicated than
it actually was. When I talked to Thomas at Osh this year he was thinking
of simplifying the install manual and providing the less common configurations
as an appendix.
I'll let you know how it runs this spring :)
Doug
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Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback wanted |
I thought that AC 43.13-1A made it a no-no to tie electrical lines to fuel lines.
Why is it OK to tie a spark plug line (which are known to arc over) to a fuel
injection line? I didn't see anyone mention this. Am I in error?
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - FWF
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| Subject: | Van's List of RV-10's |
Deems, it is always great to see posts from you. Yes, the Vans number has
surged markedly in the last few weeks unexpectedly. Yes I have provided a
little additional info but not the majority of that number bump that we all
notice. I have been wrapped up time wise in the "Teen Flight Build" of th
e RV-12 for the Center for Airway Sciences, which is being reported by Laur
an Paine Jr. for both Sport Aviation and Kitplanes magazine. The 12 is a w
hole new breed of quickbuild. The skins are soooo thin and the pull rivets
so unusual. Plus keeping hands off while Teens build it is a real eye open
er.
The 10 remains a stronger more practical build -IMHO. The panels, driven r
ivets and more substantive metal fabrications along with all that fun compo
site work place the 10 in a whole different arena. Medical certificates as
ide, The 10 is for Real Pilots/Builders. Geoff's work brings back memories
of the very beginning.
My data continues about 10% ahead of those who "report" to the mother ship
and yet I continues to look for pictures to keep that portion current as we
ll. There are lots of builds going beyond our borders than tend to get dro
pped from Ken Scott's propaganda posts. One week ago there were 10 QB fuse
lage kits on the shop floor and as of last Saturday there were only four. T
he best level of quality remains that done by the members of this group rat
her than foreign nationals and a different level in the definition of quali
ty. Q in QB is Quick which for many over the last year left a lot of room
for improvement in both speed and quality.
I envy all of the 250+ veterans who have made the entire journey and shed l
ight on the goal for those of us still in the tunnel.
Keep those posts of flying RV-10 coming.
John Cox
From: Deems Davis
Sent: Thu 12/10/2009 3:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Van's List of RV-10's
Has anybody noticed that Van's count of flying RV10's has increased by
about 30 in the past week or two? It currently lists 249 flying RV10's.
I check it a couple of time a week, and the numbers keep growing but I
don't see any 'reports' on their web site. The last they posted was Rick
Sked. I know that John Cox has about 10$ more in his database than Van's
had on their website, John, have you been feeding info to Van's to get
them current?
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
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