---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/12/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:10 AM - thermawing deicing (cjay) 2. 08:45 AM - Re: thermawing deicing (Dave Saylor) 3. 09:09 AM - Re: thermawing deicing (Vernon Smith) 4. 10:03 AM - Cracked hole for engine mount (Rob Kochman) 5. 10:14 AM - Re: Cracked hole for engine mount (Rob Kochman) 6. 10:24 AM - Is a large countersink still in circulation? (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 7. 10:53 AM - Re: Is a large countersink still in circulation? (Lew Gallagher) 8. 11:03 AM - Re: Front Baffle screw access (Jae Chang) 9. 12:35 PM - Re: Re: Cracked hole for engine mount (Rob Kochman) 10. 12:49 PM - Re: G3i Ignition (Bob Turner) 11. 02:19 PM - Re: G3i Ignition (N777TY) 12. 06:14 PM - Re: Is a large countersink still in circulation? (Rob Kochman) 13. 06:29 PM - Re: Is a large countersink still in circulation? (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 14. 09:37 PM - Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (dougwells) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:18 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: thermawing deicing From: "cjay" Anyone have any insight into this all electric deicing product? http://www.rddent.com/products_therm-x.html Started as a NASA funded project, already STC'd for Columbia. Looks like its made possible with a 100amp/75 volt alternator. Not sure if it is a single or dual amp system. Details are a bit sketchy. Cool, now I can install a big flat panel TV in the back seat. cjay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277306#277306 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:37 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: thermawing deicing We've installed the complete system, less leading edges, on two (composite) planes. When they're finished, they'll be flown to RDD to have the leading edges installed. Unfortunately, there's no provision for using their alternator for anything but the de-ice system. They're a good company to work with. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:09 AM, cjay wrote: > > Anyone have any insight into this all electric deicing product? > > http://www.rddent.com/products_therm-x.html > > > Started as a NASA funded project, already STC'd for Columbia. Looks like > its made possible with a 100amp/75 volt alternator. Not sure if it is a > single or dual amp system. Details are a bit sketchy. Cool, now I can > install a big flat panel TV in the back seat. > > cjay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277306#277306 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:40 AM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: thermawing deicing I talked to them about a year ago as I was interested in flying out of the valley here in Oregon during the winter. However=2C it is not designed for known ice. During the winter we will get a cloud deck at ~3=2C000=2C freezing level at 6=2C000 and you need 12=2C000 to head east from here. So it didn't fit my needs at the time. It is a neat system. Vern Smith (#40324) From: dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: thermawing deicing We've installed the complete system=2C less leading edges=2C on two (compos ite) planes. When they're finished=2C they'll be flown to RDD to have the leading edges installed. Unfortunately=2C there's no provision for using t heir alternator for anything but the de-ice system. They're a good company to work with. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville=2C CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sat=2C Dec 12=2C 2009 at 8:09 AM=2C cjay wrote: Anyone have any insight into this all electric deicing product? http://www.rddent.com/products_therm-x.html Started as a NASA funded project=2C already STC'd for Columbia. Looks like its made possible with a 100amp/75 volt alternator. Not sure if it is a s ingle or dual amp system. Details are a bit sketchy. Cool=2C now I can inst all a big flat panel TV in the back seat. cjay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277306#277306 ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution le=2C List Admin. arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:01 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Cracked hole for engine mount From: Rob Kochman While enlarging the first of the holes through firewall from 3/16" to 3/8" for the engine mount, the drill got "caught." Kept going, got caught again. Removed it and noticed two cracks in the aluminum piece that goes between the firewall and the steel weldment (I believe this is F-1001B). These cracks are through the entire thickness of the material. I'm guessing this is case of too slow/too much pressure on the drill. I was drilling undersize, so I reamed it out to 3/8", but the cracks are still there. Anyone heard of this happening, or am I the only idiot that has done this? Of course, it's Saturday morning, so I have to wait two days to call Van's. Thinking about replacing that F-1001B part makes my head hurt. -Rob -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:45 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cracked hole for engine mount From: Rob Kochman I just carefully examined the other top engine mount hole (which I haven't touched yet) and there's a huge chunk of material missing beyond where the 3/16" hole is! This is a quickbuild kit, of course, as I would have never riveted that piece with the hole looking like that. I'm wondering if that may be part of the problem. -Rob On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Rob Kochman wrote: > While enlarging the first of the holes through firewall from 3/16" to 3/8" > for the engine mount, the drill got "caught." Kept going, got caught > again. Removed it and noticed two cracks in the aluminum piece that goes > between the firewall and the steel weldment (I believe this is F-1001B). > These cracks are through the entire thickness of the material. I'm guessing > this is case of too slow/too much pressure on the drill. I was drilling > undersize, so I reamed it out to 3/8", but the cracks are still there. > > Anyone heard of this happening, or am I the only idiot that has done this? > Of course, it's Saturday morning, so I have to wait two days to call Van's. > Thinking about replacing that F-1001B part makes my head hurt. > > -Rob > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:33 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: RV10-List: Is a large countersink still in circulation? I'd like to use it if available. Alternatively, where's a good place to buy a 5/16" 100deg countersink? BTW, I replaced the stock rear seat belt arrangement by adding 2 additional hardpoints - so I have to countersink 4 holes. Thanks! Bill Watson Durham NC ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:00 AM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Is a large countersink still in circulation? Hey Bill "looking for a hole sinker not like Tiger" Watson, Mike Lefever presently has the countersink and just emailed me to see if it was alright to keep it until after the holidays. It would be best if he sent it directly to you when he's finished instead of detouring through me. PM me and I'll get you his info in case he doesn't see this. Later, - Lew "still pushing for an AP" Gallagher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: RV10-List: Is a large countersink still in circulation? > > > I'd like to use it if available. > Alternatively, where's a good place to buy a 5/16" 100deg countersink? > BTW, I replaced the stock rear seat belt arrangement by adding 2 > additional hardpoints - so I have to countersink 4 holes. > > Thanks! > Bill Watson > Durham NC > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:31 AM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front Baffle screw access ok, thanks for the replies. looks like i'll replace that screw with something easier to access. jae 40533 do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cracked hole for engine mount From: Rob Kochman Alright, it sounds like what I'm seeing is the joint between two aluminum pieces. It's not clear from the plans where those two aluminum pieces join, and since it's a QB, I didn't build that part. Not sure whether I feel smarter or dumber now :) -Rob On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Rob Kochman wrote: > I just carefully examined the other top engine mount hole (which I haven't > touched yet) and there's a huge chunk of material missing beyond where the > 3/16" hole is! This is a quickbuild kit, of course, as I would have never > riveted that piece with the hole looking like that. I'm wondering if that > may be part of the problem. > > -Rob > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Rob Kochman wrote: > >> While enlarging the first of the holes through firewall from 3/16" to 3/8" >> for the engine mount, the drill got "caught." Kept going, got caught >> again. Removed it and noticed two cracks in the aluminum piece that goes >> between the firewall and the steel weldment (I believe this is F-1001B). >> These cracks are through the entire thickness of the material. I'm guessing >> this is case of too slow/too much pressure on the drill. I was drilling >> undersize, so I reamed it out to 3/8", but the cracks are still there. >> >> Anyone heard of this happening, or am I the only idiot that has done >> this? Of course, it's Saturday morning, so I have to wait two days to call >> Van's. Thinking about replacing that F-1001B part makes my head hurt. >> >> -Rob >> >> -- >> Rob Kochman >> RV-10 "Finishing" Kit >> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) >> http://kochman.net/N819K >> > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > > * > > * > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:01 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: G3i Ignition From: "Bob Turner" Kelly, I have no idea how this system works but to say it's physically impossible is not correct. Here is how it might work: The RPM's of an engine change slowly, compared to the time between cylinder firings. The black box knows the rpms, and thus the time between plug firings. From the time the points close, it can time the plug to next fire not 720 degrees, but say 710 degrees (10 degrees of advance) later. In other words, the points may control not the current firing, but the one after that, with a timer (sync'd to the rpm) controlling the actual time. As I said, I don't know if the system does this. But it might. It certainly wouldn't be hard to implement. The only real limitation is that the distributor contacts need to be in contact at that time. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277349#277349 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:21 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: G3i Ignition From: "N777TY" It doesn't advance... Straight from the source: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=40666 You draw your own conclusions from that.. :) -------- RV-7A N777TY Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277361#277361 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Is a large countersink still in circulation? From: Rob Kochman Bill, I could use it when you're done. -Rob On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > > Hey Bill "looking for a hole sinker not like Tiger" Watson, > > Mike Lefever presently has the countersink and just emailed me to see if it > was alright to keep it until after the holidays. It would be best if he > sent it directly to you when he's finished instead of detouring through me. > PM me and I'll get you his info in case he doesn't see this. > > Later, - Lew "still pushing for an AP" Gallagher > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" < > MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> > > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:25 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Is a large countersink still in circulation? > > >> MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> >> >> I'd like to use it if available. >> Alternatively, where's a good place to buy a 5/16" 100deg countersink? >> BTW, I replaced the stock rear seat belt arrangement by adding 2 >> additional hardpoints - so I have to countersink 4 holes. >> >> Thanks! >> Bill Watson >> Durham NC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:12 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Is a large countersink still in circulation? Alright, you'll be next. Bill Rob Kochman wrote: > Bill, I could use it when you're done. > > -Rob > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Lew Gallagher > wrote: > > > > > Hey Bill "looking for a hole sinker not like Tiger" Watson, > > Mike Lefever presently has the countersink and just emailed me to > see if it was alright to keep it until after the holidays. It > would be best if he sent it directly to you when he's finished > instead of detouring through me. PM me and I'll get you his info > in case he doesn't see this. > > Later, - Lew "still pushing for an AP" Gallagher > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" > > > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:25 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Is a large countersink still in circulation? > > > > > > I'd like to use it if available. > Alternatively, where's a good place to buy a 5/16" 100deg > countersink? > BTW, I replaced the stock rear seat belt arrangement by adding > 2 additional hardpoints - so I have to countersink 4 holes. > > Thanks! > Bill Watson > Durham NC > > > -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- > 9;s Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided > he Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com > > s.com/contribution" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -Matt Dralle, Li - The > RV10-List Email Forum - > : > 0-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List< > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > = --> h > > > > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:11 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription From: "dougwells" I have Seattle Avionics SkyPad. Like time, I have been very happy with the unit (checking my email & this forum with it right now...) SSD - I have the 32 gig SSD drive and have ever chart, approach plate, Sectional, TACs, Lo-Enroute etc charts for the entire country installed. Takes up about 7-8 gigs. I find the 32gig size to be more than adequate. Lifetime - I have the lifetime charts..great deal. What a difference having every plate and chart in the country. SkyPad - nice device. I do all my weather and trip planning on it as well as my inflight work on it. Completely underestimated the convenience of doing it all on one machine......the skypad is definitely a great way to go... Financial Health of Seattle Avionics - I think that it helps alot that Bendix/King outsources their chart processing to SA. Gives SA more cash flow and I take comfort in knowing that Bendix/King takes great strides to keep their employees onboard.. ----- Short answer is JUST DO IT! The Skypad is a great deal! Best, Doug I really think EFBs have finally come of age and will help pilots evolve into better airman. 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