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Sun 12/13/09


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (Don McDonald)
     2. 10:15 AM - Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (Jim Berry)
     3. 12:14 PM - Re: thermawing deicing (cjay)
     4. 12:38 PM - Re: G3i Ignition (cjay)
     5. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: G3i Ignition (Kelly McMullen)
     6. 04:49 PM - Re: Re: thermawing deicing (Dave Saylor)
     7. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: thermawing deicing (Jesse Saint)
     8. 08:41 PM - Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (dougwells)
     9. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (Ben Westfall)
    10. 09:57 PM - Re: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription (Ben Westfall)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:15:57 AM PST US
    From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription
    Doug With the SkyPad and their software..... if you already have XM Satellite we ather coming in to a Garmin 496, can you tie into it and have it available for the SkyPad? Thanks, Don McDonald --- On Sat, 12/12/09, dougwells <dougwells@gmail.com> wrote: From: dougwells <dougwells@gmail.com> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription I have Seattle Avionics SkyPad.- Like time, I have been very happy with t he unit (checking my email & this forum with it right now...) SSD - I have the 32 gig SSD drive and have ever chart, approach plate, Sect ional, TACs, Lo-Enroute etc charts for the entire country installed.- Tak es up about 7-8 gigs.- I find the 32gig size to be more than adequate. Lifetime - I have the lifetime charts..great deal.- What a difference hav ing every plate and chart in the country. SkyPad - nice device.- I do all my weather and trip planning on it as wel l as my inflight work on it.- Completely underestimated the convenience o f doing it all on one machine......the skypad is definitely a great way to go... Financial Health of Seattle Avionics - I think that it helps alot that Bend ix/King outsources their chart processing to SA.- Gives SA more cash flow and I take comfort in knowing that Bendix/King takes great strides to keep their employees onboard.. ------ Short answer is JUST DO IT!- The Skypad is a great deal! Best, Doug I really think EFBs have finally come of age and will help pilots evolve in to better airman. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277389#277389 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 10:15:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription
    From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry@qwest.net>
    Doug, JUST DO IT works for me. In fact I have already done it, but I went with an LE1600 modified per the description on Tim's web site. I have about $700 and an hour's time in the tablet pc with the ssd drive and memory upgrade. If you can build an RV10 you will be able to do this upgrade. Makes for a very quick and slick EFB. I am still learning my way around the Voyager software, but agree it is great to have all charts on board. After years of updating my Jepp charts, it is almost worth the cost of Voyager's lifetime subscription just to have the auto-updates. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277417#277417


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    Time: 12:14:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: thermawing deicing
    From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
    dave.saylor.aircrafters(a wrote: > We've installed the complete system, less leading edges, on two (composite) planes. When they're finished, they'll be flown to RDD to have the leading edges installed. Unfortunately, there's no provision for using their alternator for anything but the de-ice system. > Dave, Do they have an installation manual for the 10 yet? Would you put it in your 10? As for the alternator, they probably don't want you to use it as a backup, but doubtful they could prevent it. Otherwise, it would be a grave waste of a potential redundancy when de-icing isn't needed, an attractive feature. Is it a single alternator that produces 100 amps? cjay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277441#277441


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    Time: 12:38:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: G3i Ignition
    From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
    OK, making some progress on the debate, we know it doesn't advance timing. Does it dispel their fundamental claims, however?; efficiency smoother engine fuel saving horsepower Anyone have experience? cjay Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277442#277442


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    Time: 03:33:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: G3i Ignition
    From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
    It likely does make engine smoother with stronger sparks. Doubtful it does much for fuel savings, and very doubtful it makes any difference on horsepower. However, it probably makes running LOP more feasible with consistent and strong sparks. If you like having capacitive discharge multiple sparks, with magneto backup, certainly reasonable way to go. If you can't advance the timing when running at 75% and below, you aren't going to gain horsepower nor economy from that aspect, but you may be able to gain it by running LOP and adding manifold pressure to reach 75% on the lean side of peak. If you can achieve 13 gph lean of peak you will be at 195 hp and scooting as fast as Van intended on minimum fuel. On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM, cjay <cgfinney@yahoo.com> wrote: > > OK, > > making some progress on the debate, we know it doesn't advance timing. > > Does it dispel their fundamental claims, however?; > efficiency > smoother engine > fuel saving > horsepower > > Anyone have experience? > > cjay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277442#277442 > >


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    Time: 04:49:31 PM PST US
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: thermawing deicing
    >>Do they have an installation manual for the 10 yet?<< I'm not sure if the manual is out yet or not. Our installations weren't on 10s. >>Would you put it in your 10?<< No, too heavy for my personal philosophy, and there's an airspeed penalty 100% of the time from the cuffs (6 knots reported at Lancair speeds--YMMV). But then I'd pass on A/C and bunch of other heavy stuff. In Central CA we do see icing but it isn't as much of a factor as almost everywhere else. I wouldn't hesitate installing it for customers if they wanted it. No safety issues that I'm aware of. One of our installations was on a IV-P, which is still lacking the cuffs. Another IV-P customer is considering it because he says that even a tiny bit of rime slows him down a lot more than 6 kts. >>Is it a single alternator that produces 100 amps?<< It's a single alternator that looks very similar to the 100A alternator that you would normally see on the front of a Continental. The pulley is the only difference I can see but I don't know about internals. I'm not sure how much it puts out. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell > > cjay > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277441#277441 > >


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    Time: 05:42:39 PM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: thermawing deicing
    If I'm not mistaken, while it is a 100-Amp alternator, it is not 12 or 24V. I seem to remember hearing that it was higher voltage, which would mean you would have to use some kind of voltage converter or something like that to connect to your electrical system as a backup. Take that for what it's worth, but I seem to remember that it would not be useable in the aircraft's electrical system because of this. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Dave Saylor wrote: > >>Do they have an installation manual for the 10 yet?<< > > I'm not sure if the manual is out yet or not. Our installations weren't on 10s. > > >>Would you put it in your 10?<< > > No, too heavy for my personal philosophy, and there's an airspeed penalty 100% of the time from the cuffs (6 knots reported at Lancair speeds--YMMV). But then I'd pass on A/C and bunch of other heavy stuff. In Central CA we do see icing but it isn't as much of a factor as almost everywhere else. I wouldn't hesitate installing it for customers if they wanted it. No safety issues that I'm aware of. > > One of our installations was on a IV-P, which is still lacking the cuffs. Another IV-P customer is considering it because he says that even a tiny bit of rime slows him down a lot more than 6 kts. > > >>Is it a single alternator that produces 100 amps?<< > > It's a single alternator that looks very similar to the 100A alternator that you would normally see on the front of a Continental. The pulley is the only difference I can see but I don't know about internals. I'm not sure how much it puts out. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > > > > cjay > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277441#277441 > > > > > > > > ========== > ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com > ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > le, List Admin. > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:41:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription
    From: "dougwells" <dougwells@gmail.com>
    Hi Don, I'm not 100% sure but I think the wx weather has to come from XM's WX box. The team at Seattle Avionics could tell you for sure. I have a seperate XM box that picks up the weather and then communicates it to my SkyPad via bluetooth. On the 496, as you know, the XM "box" is built into the unit. Great idea and I wish all vendors could offer this for their system but I guess Garmin has the exclusive right to have the XM box being built in. Smart of Garmin, I guess. I would be once you have the SkyPad, you would not want/need your 496. All you would need is the XM bluetooth box and you should be good to go.... Best, Doug Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277466#277466


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    Time: 09:09:44 PM PST US
    From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>
    Subject: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription
    I've been thinking of taking the plunge and buying a system and voyager as well. I've looked around and found the line of netbook that Seattle Avionics sells as their skypad. It's sub $500 with a rotating hard disk. I found what I think would make a better platform at Newegg while looking at some of the newer netbooks. I'm sure it would run things well. Windows 7 is a plus over XP I'd think. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220661 This unit has wifi, Bluetooth, multi-touch screen, and 32GB SSD for just a bit over $500. Only 1GB of RAM so it would probably be best to bump it up to 2GB but that would be cheap. The Bluetooth gps they have pictured on their site is this one: http://www.buygpsnow.com/GlobalSat-BT-368i-SiRF-III-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver-B T368i_989.aspx which they don't list a separate price for just in the bundle. Just need to wait for SEA Avionics to have another "lifetime" sale!! -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription Doug, JUST DO IT works for me. In fact I have already done it, but I went with an LE1600 modified per the description on Tim's web site. I have about $700 and an hour's time in the tablet pc with the ssd drive and memory upgrade. If you can build an RV10 you will be able to do this upgrade. Makes for a very quick and slick EFB. I am still learning my way around the Voyager software, but agree it is great to have all charts on board. After years of updating my Jepp charts, it is almost worth the cost of Voyager's lifetime subscription just to have the auto-updates. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277417#277417


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    Time: 09:57:27 PM PST US
    From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>
    Subject: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription
    Everyone has been talking about voyager software. I've seen this company's software around for a while as well. I have not used voyager or rms's software but thought it would be worth a look for the sake of competition. http://www.rmstek.com/index.php I also just noticed that they sell their "bundle" with the asus netbook I sent in the last link from newegg. -ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Voyager Lifetime chart subscription Doug, JUST DO IT works for me. In fact I have already done it, but I went with an LE1600 modified per the description on Tim's web site. I have about $700 and an hour's time in the tablet pc with the ssd drive and memory upgrade. If you can build an RV10 you will be able to do this upgrade. Makes for a very quick and slick EFB. I am still learning my way around the Voyager software, but agree it is great to have all charts on board. After years of updating my Jepp charts, it is almost worth the cost of Voyager's lifetime subscription just to have the auto-updates. Jim Berry 40482 N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277417#277417




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