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1. 04:50 AM - Re: Overhead Console (Walt Fuller)
2. 05:33 AM - Re: closing the door (Walt Fuller)
3. 05:49 AM - Re: G3i Ignition (sc_acro2)
4. 06:24 AM - Best wishes (DLM)
5. 06:35 AM - Re: Weld-On case study #605 (johngoodman)
6. 08:04 AM - Re: Nylon Brake Tee Replacement (John Cumins)
7. 11:03 AM - Re: G3i Ignition (Andy)
8. 11:51 AM - Re: G3i Ignition (Bob Turner)
9. 03:58 PM - Re: Nylon Brake Tee Replacement (Deems Davis)
10. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Cracked hole for engine mount (Chris)
11. 06:43 PM - Re: G3i Ignition (sc_acro2)
12. 07:56 PM - Re: G3i Ignition (cjay)
13. 08:45 PM - Re: Stiff control cables (Dave Saylor)
14. 09:41 PM - Re: Best wishes (Bill and Tami Britton)
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console |
Our f/g overhead...went with the short version :D
Walt Fuller
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| Subject: | Re: closing the door |
Nice idea...Might try something similar 8)
Walt
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| Subject: | Re: G3i Ignition |
Kelly,
These are great debates! However, its unfortunate that you did get the chance to
stop by our booth in KOSH this year. We will be there next year 2010. If you
get the chance, please stop by and meet us. Check out our products first hand.
Hopefully some day you will get the opportunity to meet and or fly with one
of our customers who has installed one of our systems to experience the benefits
first hand. Until then, I hope to meet you someday and have a wonderful Holiday.
Thomas Shpakow
www.g3ignition.com
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To All My Democrat Friends:
Please accept with no obligation, implied or explicit, my best wishes for an
environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive,
gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within
the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or
secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular
persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice
religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally
successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of
the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010 but not without due
respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to
society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is
necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the
Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to the race,
creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of
the wishee.
To My Republican Friends:
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
A conservative libertarian "Live free or die. death is not the worst of
evils"
You only live twice (or thrice)
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| Subject: | Re: Weld-On case study #605 |
Read the can carefully. If you can smell it, you're doing it wrong.
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing. Engine & Panel
delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Nylon Brake Tee Replacement |
Hey Deems
Where did you find those fance brake pedal system and are they still
available.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nylon Brake Tee Replacement
If you're talking about the Bonaco brake lines, Yup just an AN Tee fitting.
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC06980.html
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
Patrick Pulis wrote:
> *For those of you who have installed the aftermarket Matco brake
> lines, could someone please tell me what replacement Tee fitting they
> used in lieu of the nylon Tee. Is a single replacement fitting
> available which screws into the brake fluid reservoir which protrudes
> through the firewall?*
> **
> *Install the F-271-N-04X02 Male Nylon Tee to the VA-107 Brake
> Reservoir as shown in Figure 3.*
>
> **
>
> *Connect the brake lines created on Page 38-6 to the F-7=271-N-04X02
> Male Nylon Tee as shown in Figure 2 and Figure 3.*
>
> **
>
> *Kind regards and well wishes for the festive season to you all.*
>
> **
>
> *Patrick Pulis*
>
> *#40299*
>
> *Adelaide, South Australia*
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: G3i Ignition |
Hi guys,
I'm one of the people that installed the G3 unit on an aircraft racing engine.
It really does improve the fuel consumption (if you adjust the fuel to do so!).
What I noticed was the ability to run the engine at settings that would otherwise
shut the powerplant down when running on normal magnetos (without doing
so when G3 was running). The G3 seems to be able to make use of the fuel much
more effectively. It caught our team off guard at first (after performing a mag
check in the air prior to landing -she quit on straight magnetos), but later
realized that the range of adjustment had increased very considerably. It can
go both ways. You can over-richen or lean to the extreme before roughness starts
to sprout up. I'm a magneto guy by trade, so I'm naturally a bit cautious
about seeing mags go bye bye to EI, but this one does plenty of good, without
giving up my nice, old wind-up toy mags. As far as performance, we did better
than we've ever done at the races. When on the ground, prior to installing the
G3, the engine would not run above 2300 (on a good day). After: a cold engine,
same prop, G3 on, the engine wound up to 3000 rpm with the tail chained down.
Scary improvement. Its staying on the aircraft!
I'm looking forward to a truly independent, scientific battle of the ignitions.
Best bang for the buck in my personal opinion, but I'm anxious to see it tested
by several leaders in the experimental industry. -Andy [Exclamation]
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Do it the way you'de want it.
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| Subject: | Re: G3i Ignition |
Thomas, a question:
If the system works as advertised (quicker burn due to multiple ignitions) is there
a danger of too much of a good thing? Specifically, on full power take-offs,
could the peak temperatures and pressures exceed design limits, and push detonation
limits?
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Nylon Brake Tee Replacement |
The Brake pedals were made by Paul Grimstad, (Control Approach) an RV10
builder who used to live in the Portland area. Paul recently moved to
Bend, Or. and I haven't heard from him for several months. The last
update I got was that he had made some improvements and was also working
on adapting the design to support RV, 6,7 & 9's. Its hard for me to see
where improvement could be made. The parts are CNC Machine cut and the
welding is done by a certified aircraft welder. I heard that he might
have been in talks with abn LSA mfg. to deliver pedals for their
production plane. There is at least one other builder (Les Kearny) who
has a set of the pedals. Paul usd to be active on this list ,but I
haven't heard or seen him in a while.
If you want to contact Paul direct, email me off line and I'll look for
the last contact info I had for him.
As to the size of the AN fitting, I believe it was an AN4, . what eve
size the threads/fittings for the Bonaco brake lines were is also the
size of the tee,
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
John Cumins wrote:
>
> Hey Deems
>
> Where did you find those fance brake pedal system and are they still
> available.
>
>
> John G. Cumins
> President
>
> JC'S Interactive Systems
> 2499 B1 Martin Rd
> Fairfield Ca 94533
> 707-425-7100
> 707-425-7576 Fax
>
> Your Total Technology Solution Provider
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:23 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nylon Brake Tee Replacement
>
>
> If you're talking about the Bonaco brake lines, Yup just an AN Tee fitting.
>
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Final%20Assembly/slides/DSC06980.html
>
>
> Deems Davis
> N519PJ
> www.deemsrv10.com
>
> Patrick Pulis wrote:
>
>> *For those of you who have installed the aftermarket Matco brake
>> lines, could someone please tell me what replacement Tee fitting they
>> used in lieu of the nylon Tee. Is a single replacement fitting
>> available which screws into the brake fluid reservoir which protrudes
>> through the firewall?*
>> **
>> *Install the F-271-N-04X02 Male Nylon Tee to the VA-107 Brake
>> Reservoir as shown in Figure 3.*
>>
>> **
>>
>> *Connect the brake lines created on Page 38-6 to the F-7=271-N-04X02
>> Male Nylon Tee as shown in Figure 2 and Figure 3.*
>>
>> **
>>
>> *Kind regards and well wishes for the festive season to you all.*
>>
>> **
>>
>> *Patrick Pulis*
>>
>> *#40299*
>>
>> *Adelaide, South Australia*
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now
>>
>>
> <http://au.rd.yahoo.com/movies/mailtagline/*http://au.movies.yahoo.com/sessi
> on-times/>.
>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked hole for engine mount |
Rob I know exactly what you are talking about because it scared me too. It
is the joint of the two pieces not a crack. I have a slow build too. Carry
on and be happy.
Chris
#40072
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Cracked hole for engine mount
Alright, it sounds like what I'm seeing is the joint between two aluminum
pieces. It's not clear from the plans where those two aluminum pieces
join, and since it's a QB, I didn't build that part. Not sure whether I
feel smarter or dumber now :)
-Rob
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
I just carefully examined the other top engine mount hole (which I haven't
touched yet) and there's a huge chunk of material missing beyond where the
3/16" hole is! This is a quickbuild kit, of course, as I would have never
riveted that piece with the hole looking like that. I'm wondering if that
may be part of the problem.
-Rob
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
While enlarging the first of the holes through firewall from 3/16" to 3/8"
for the engine mount, the drill got "caught." Kept going, got caught again.
Removed it and noticed two cracks in the aluminum piece that goes between
the firewall and the steel weldment (I believe this is F-1001B). These
cracks are through the entire thickness of the material. I'm guessing this
is case of too slow/too much pressure on the drill. I was drilling
undersize, so I reamed it out to 3/8", but the cracks are still there.
Anyone heard of this happening, or am I the only idiot that has done this?
Of course, it's Saturday morning, so I have to wait two days to call Van's.
Thinking about replacing that F-1001B part makes my head hurt.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: G3i Ignition |
Hello Bob,
No there is not an issue with pre-ignition/ detonation and cylinder pressure limits
because the first spark is still at the predetermined timing, etc 25btc.
The following sparks after that first hit continues with the air/fuel burn process.
Cylinder temps can even run a little cooler because of the length of the
combustion time is slightly shorter. Power and air/fuel management still creates
an X amount of BTUs created in the cylinder with or without an EI. RPM. power
settings, ignition timing, compression ratio, etc do play their roles in harmony
or self-destruct.
Thomas Shpakow
www.g3igniton.com
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| Subject: | Re: G3i Ignition |
sc_acro2 wrote:
> Hello Bob,
> No there is not an issue with pre-ignition/ detonation and cylinder pressure
limits because the first spark is still at the predetermined timing, etc 25btc.
The following sparks after that first hit continues with the air/fuel burn process.
Cylinder temps can even run a little cooler because of the length of the
combustion time is slightly shorter. Power and air/fuel management still creates
an X amount of BTUs created in the cylinder with or without an EI. RPM.
power settings, ignition timing, compression ratio, etc do play their roles in
harmony or self-destruct.
>
> Thomas Shpakow
> www.g3igniton.com
So Jesse,
You asked the question. Why don't you give it a try and tell the rest of us, what
you think.
cjay
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff control cables |
Thanks to everyone who responded. I installed new cables from a local
Cablecraft distributor. Changing them out wasn't as bad as I thought it
would be. I took the quadrant down from under the panel, disconnected
everything at the engine, and basically yanked 'em out by the roots, still
attached to the quadrant. Then I rigged the new cables to the quadrant
while it was out, and threaded the whole thing back through the firewall.
It took about half a day.
I ordered a slightly different cable than the green ones supplied by Vans.
They look almost identical, with the coarse outer wrap, but they're black.
>From what I can tell they're good for 310F vs. 230F for the green cables.
They feel nice and smooth. I took a lot of time routing them in very gentle
arcs and not clamping as tight as the last set. Hopefully we'll get better
service from these.
I also added 1.5 inches to each overall length. That made routing a bit
easier. I put a piece of firesleeve over the cables where they drop between
the heat valves. That's the only place I can see where it looks like they
might get baked.
Someone suggested lubricating the cables, which I've done on other aircraft
and a few motorcycles. But in researching this problem, I learned that
Cablecraft cautions against trying to lube their cables as they are sealed
at each end. I guess that if you manage to get lube past the seal, you'll
ruin it and possibly damage the cable. The seals they're concerned about
aren't the little rubber boots that slide off the ends. They're inside the
housing.
BTW, the little rubber boots add a noticeable amount of friction, even when
greased.
I requested the complete data sheet on the new cables. When I get it I'll
post all the details, along with the exact lengths.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>wrote:
> First, I agreeeee with all that Tim said.... what I did was swap the
> cables around... and by doing so, I only had to replace one cable (the
> shortest one) with one that would now be the longest one. So far all appear
> to be working perfectly.
> Don McDonald
>
> --- On *Tue, 12/8/09, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Stiff control cables
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 7:15 AM
>
> >
>
> I had one cable that was a little long or sagged low enough enroute
> to my prop governor that it was within 3 or 4" of the heat muff.
> Ended up melting some of the outer sheath a little. I ended up
> wrapping it in aluminum tape as a heat reflector and that has
> kept it holding up. But I won't be surprised if that one gets
> sticky before the others.
>
> My quadrant though, going into the 4th year soon, has always been
> about perfect on tension. I don't really use the tensioner,
> it slides freely in warm or cold, and it doesn't back off
> and move un-commanded. I had standard cable lengths, which
> although seemingly short, I was able to find good routings
> on and it's just always worked well.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> gary wrote:
> > I have seen it actually, if you have the cables with the plastic liner.
> The liner will melt if the cable gets too close to a heat source. Mine
> melted from the cabin heat dump washing over the cable as it exited the
> closed valve. I was able to shorten the cable and liner and solve the
> problem.
> >
> >
> > Gary Specketer
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>[mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 11:11 PM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > *Subject:* RV10-List: Stiff control cables
> >
> >
> > Has anyone had their engine control cables get very, very tight? I have
> the quadrant and the cables that came with it. The throttle is OK but the
> mixture and prop are to the point that they take two hands to move. Once
> the engine warms up (and the cables too, I assume), they feel fine. They've
> gotten progressively worse over time.
> >
> > They were a little on the tight side when they were first installed, but
> manageable.
> > The stiffness is definitely in the cables, not in the fuel servo or the
> governor. It's not in the quadrant pivot either.
> >
> > Also, the quadrant friction has always been more or less useless (but not
> exactly needed at this point). Do other people actually use the friction
> knob?
> >
> > I guess I'll replace the cables and maybe order cables an inch or two
> longer. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Dave Saylor
> > AirCrafters LLC
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WELL SAID.
AMEN!!!!!
Bill Britton
----- Original Message -----
From: DLM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:18 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Best wishes
To All My Democrat Friends:
Please accept with no obligation, implied or explicit, my best wishes
for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress,
non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious
persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with
respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of
others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions
at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and
medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally
accepted calendar year 2010 but not without due respect for the
calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society
have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is
necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the
Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to the race,
creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual
preference of the wishee.
To My Republican Friends:
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
A conservative libertarian "Live free or die. death is not the worst
of evils"
You only live twice (or thrice)
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