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1. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone (Jim)
2. 06:57 AM - Re: Total Age (Jim)
3. 10:05 AM - Re: Total Age (MARCUS COOPER)
4. 11:37 AM - lightning strike-Engine Damage (tom.on.the.road@juno.com)
5. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone (Rob Kermanj)
6. 03:25 PM - Warming up in the -10 (Tim Olson)
7. 03:28 PM - Transponder Question (Robin Marks)
8. 03:45 PM - Re: Transponder Question (Tim Olson)
9. 04:22 PM - Re: Warming up in the -10 (g.combs)
10. 05:39 PM - Re: Warming up in the -10 (Luis)
11. 06:35 PM - Re: Transponder Question (Kelly McMullen)
12. 06:43 PM - Re: Warming up in the -10 (Tim Olson)
13. 07:09 PM - Precision Gasket (jchang10)
14. 07:30 PM - Re: Precision Gasket (Don McDonald)
15. 07:33 PM - Re: Precision Gasket (Sohrab Kermanj)
16. 07:59 PM - Re: Warming up in the -10 (bhassel)
17. 08:03 PM - Re: Transponder Question (Tim Olson)
18. 08:40 PM - Re: Transponder Question (Kelly McMullen)
19. 09:44 PM - Re: Warming up in the -10 (Dave Saylor)
20. 10:21 PM - com wiring (partner14)
21. 11:55 PM - Re: Most complete tool kit (Chris Colohan)
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone |
If the hosting device (iPhone) supports Bluetooth printing, then you might
be able to do that without any additional support.
JIm C
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RV10-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer"
<billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
Tim, is there any app
like FF3 that will allow you to print out the
information to a
wireless printer? It would be nice to be able to print a
hard copy
of a few of the approach plates occasionally and a piece of an
enroute chart. Is that something that will ever or never happen with
the
iPhone?
I love this thing,... And FF3!!
Bill S
7a stilllll finishing - 32 degrees in the hanger tomorrow
:-(
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From:
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse
Saint
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:28 PM
To:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Foreflight Mobile
3.0 for iPhone
<jesse@saintaviation.com>
It will not do it
automatically. You have to sellect which features you
want caches
for which states, but then they are cached until deleted or
replaced.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
Sent from my
iPhone
On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:17 PM, "lbgjb10"
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If you are planning a trip from A-B, and using FF 3, will it
>
'automatically' download the maps you need + approach plates etc, or
> do you have to manually download the maps, plates etc. And then
do
> you have to 'save' them also?? Happy New Year to everyone.
larry b
>
> --------
> Larry and Gayle N104LG
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Hmmm.. Interesting metric. The average age was over 75.
Jim C
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<building_partner@yahoo.com>
A month ago, I flew over to
another airport and I picked up an ex
relative, her daughter, and her
neighbor and took them for a short ride.
After I got home I added up
the total of the passengers age, including
me.... 300.... and I was
the youngest. Anyone top that?
Happy New Year Everyone.... you to
Rick and John!
Don McDonald
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If we're adding the age of all passengers, does my trip on the A320 today c
ount for the competition? ;)- But for a RV-10, that's pretty impressive,
glad to see everyone is still enjoying getting airborne!
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Marcus
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From: partner14 <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Total Age
A month ago, I flew over to another airport and I picked up an ex relative,
her daughter, and her neighbor and took them for a short ride.- After I
got home I added up the total of the passengers age, including me....- 30
0.... and I was the youngest.- Anyone top that?
Happy New Year Everyone.... you to Rick and John!
Don McDonald
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| Subject: | lightning strike-Engine Damage |
Many people JUST inspect the airframe for damage after a strike. Not a
good idea.
Some strikes magnetize the engine components (crankshaft, bearings, etc.)
causing metal in the oil to stick.
Engines can be demagnetized (after disassembly), inspected, and
reassembled. This is covered by insurance and should not be overlooked
after a strike.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone |
If you press the on/off button (the thin button on the top of the phone)
and press the round button simultaneously, you will take a screen shot
of whatever is being viewed. You can then view it later on the screen
or print it after syncing the phone to you desktop. Th content of the
screen snapshot resides in iPhone's camera icon.
I think life in the cockpit will be much easier once Apple Tablet shows
up next year.
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On Jan 2, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Jim wrote:
> If the hosting device (iPhone) supports Bluetooth printing, then you
might be able to do that without any additional support.
>
> JIm C
>
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> <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Tim, is there any app like FF3 that will allow you to print out the
> information to a wireless printer? It would be nice to be able to
print a
> hard copy of a few of the approach plates occasionally and a piece of
an
> enroute chart. Is that something that will ever or never happen with
the
> iPhone?
>
> I love this thing,... And FF3!!
>
> Bill S
> 7a stilllll finishing - 32 degrees in the hanger tomorrow :-(
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 12:28 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Foreflight Mobile 3.0 for iPhone
>
>
> It will not do it automatically. You have to sellect which features
you
> want caches for which states, but then they are cached until deleted
or
> replaced.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> 352-427-0285
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 12:17 PM, "lbgjb10" <lbgjb@gnt.net> wrote:
>
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> > If you are planning a trip from A-B, and using FF 3, will it
> > 'automatically' download the maps you need + approach plates etc, or
> > do you have to manually download the maps, plates etc. And then do
> > you have to 'save' them also?? Happy New Year to everyone. larry b
> >
> > --------
> > Larry and Gayle N104LG
> >
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| Subject: | Warming up in the -10 |
Well, I got a flight in New Year's Eve to end of the 2009
flying season, and then, since it warmed up today (it
started out as -18F this a.m. when I woke up at
9am, and got up to 1F this afternoon!) I decided to
go fly again.
I'll just tell y'all again, the RV-10 heater makes it
real comfy in the cabin, even with OAT on the ground
at 1F, and even into the way negatives at altitude.
I have the standard Vetterman's exhaust with the 2
heat muffs and no coatings or anything else, and there's
way more heat available than what I need. On our trip
home from Florida, we spent literally HOURS with OAT's
of zero, and the kids in the back would complain at
times that we should turn the heat down.
Also, thought I'd attach a picture of one of my favorite
little projects of the fall, now that I can comment on
how it's working out.
This fall I wanted to prepare so my chemicals at the
hangar (windshield cleaners, hand cleaners, and all
that good stuff) wouldn't freeze and get ruined. I had
previously used a wall mounted cabinet with foam glued
to the inside, but it still stayed pretty cold. So
this fall I advertized on Craigs list looking for a
junk mini-fridge. I ripped out the guts, and put in an
outlet trio and mounted 2 15W mini-base lamp sockets in
the freezer area (so it heats that metal plate), and
stuck a 15W Reptile terrarium heating pad to the floor.
The heating pad was a waste, but it does warm things.
Today, with OAT's that went from the -20 to +1 range,
I used my Harbor Freight infared thermometer and checked
the inside temp. It's over 100F on that metal plate,
but about 85F on the walls inside the fridge. So,
plenty of nice warm chemicals to use. I used 2 bulbs
so that there would be redundancy, because one should
easily keep it from freezing. So far I've burned out
one bulb, so having 2 was a good idea. Cheap, and
works great.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Transponder Question |
I am laying out my "Budget" RV-8A panel and have a transponder question.
And yes I know this is the -10 list but I think I still have privileges
here.
I am unclear what is the lowest priced Garmin Transponder that will
ultimately work with ADS-B and other traffic warning systems.
I understand that the GTX-330 is their top of the line and is IFR
certified but will the GTX-237 work with things like Navworx and TIS? It
does not appear to be the case.
Thanks,
Robin
Phase 1 of Panel design (~$30K):
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder Question |
Robin, the 330 is the only one that does Mode-S tis, and
therefore would be the only one that you could use with
NavWorx Composite-TIS function. If you buy a cheaper
one without Mode-S, you'll only get ADS-B targets.
With the 330, you can get either, via their box...assuming
the G900 uses the same standard interface they use
for other things.
Tim
Robin Marks wrote:
> I am laying out my Budget RV-8A panel and have a transponder question.
> And yes I know this is the -10 list but I think I still have privileges
> here.
>
> I am unclear what is the lowest priced Garmin Transponder that will
> ultimately work with ADS-B and other traffic warning systems.
>
> I understand that the GTX-330 is their top of the line and is IFR
> certified but will the GTX-237 work with things like Navworx and TIS? It
> does not appear to be the case.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> Phase 1 of Panel design (~$30K):
>
> 8A Panel 1 Concept.jpg
>
> Concept 1.5.jpg
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warming up in the -10 |
Tim made himself a easy bake oven.
Tim looks like it is working good.
Great idea
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone Geoff
On Jan 2, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> Well, I got a flight in New Year's Eve to end of the 2009
> flying season, and then, since it warmed up today (it
> started out as -18F this a.m. when I woke up at
> 9am, and got up to 1F this afternoon!) I decided to
> go fly again.
>
> I'll just tell y'all again, the RV-10 heater makes it
> real comfy in the cabin, even with OAT on the ground
> at 1F, and even into the way negatives at altitude.
> I have the standard Vetterman's exhaust with the 2
> heat muffs and no coatings or anything else, and there's
> way more heat available than what I need. On our trip
> home from Florida, we spent literally HOURS with OAT's
> of zero, and the kids in the back would complain at
> times that we should turn the heat down.
>
> Also, thought I'd attach a picture of one of my favorite
> little projects of the fall, now that I can comment on
> how it's working out.
>
> This fall I wanted to prepare so my chemicals at the
> hangar (windshield cleaners, hand cleaners, and all
> that good stuff) wouldn't freeze and get ruined. I had
> previously used a wall mounted cabinet with foam glued
> to the inside, but it still stayed pretty cold. So
> this fall I advertized on Craigs list looking for a
> junk mini-fridge. I ripped out the guts, and put in an
> outlet trio and mounted 2 15W mini-base lamp sockets in
> the freezer area (so it heats that metal plate), and
> stuck a 15W Reptile terrarium heating pad to the floor.
> The heating pad was a waste, but it does warm things.
> Today, with OAT's that went from the -20 to +1 range,
> I used my Harbor Freight infared thermometer and checked
> the inside temp. It's over 100F on that metal plate,
> but about 85F on the walls inside the fridge. So,
> plenty of nice warm chemicals to use. I used 2 bulbs
> so that there would be redundancy, because one should
> easily keep it from freezing. So far I've burned out
> one bulb, so having 2 was a good idea. Cheap, and
> works great.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
> <Chem_Keeper.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Warming up in the -10 |
Tim,
Low temperatures is the last thing I worry about here in South
Florida. But thought I should chime in. I didn't know low temps can
ruin cleaning supplies and the like. What happens if it gets TOO hot
in there. Any possiblilty of something, melting, leaking, mixing, or
much worse, start a fire. I know this is a long shot but you never
know. 15w seems so small but......Ever thought of adding a
thermostat? If and when it warms up, you don't have to worry about
running to the hanger to shut the lights off. Any how, just looking
at the safety aspect of this nifty cleaner warmer.
Nice posts and -10 by the way..
Luis
aka Manny on VAF
On Jan 2, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> Well, I got a flight in New Year's Eve to end of the 2009
> flying season, and then, since it warmed up today (it
> started out as -18F this a.m. when I woke up at
> 9am, and got up to 1F this afternoon!) I decided to
> go fly again.
>
> I'll just tell y'all again, the RV-10 heater makes it
> real comfy in the cabin, even with OAT on the ground
> at 1F, and even into the way negatives at altitude.
> I have the standard Vetterman's exhaust with the 2
> heat muffs and no coatings or anything else, and there's
> way more heat available than what I need. On our trip
> home from Florida, we spent literally HOURS with OAT's
> of zero, and the kids in the back would complain at
> times that we should turn the heat down.
>
> Also, thought I'd attach a picture of one of my favorite
> little projects of the fall, now that I can comment on
> how it's working out.
>
> This fall I wanted to prepare so my chemicals at the
> hangar (windshield cleaners, hand cleaners, and all
> that good stuff) wouldn't freeze and get ruined. I had
> previously used a wall mounted cabinet with foam glued
> to the inside, but it still stayed pretty cold. So
> this fall I advertized on Craigs list looking for a
> junk mini-fridge. I ripped out the guts, and put in an
> outlet trio and mounted 2 15W mini-base lamp sockets in
> the freezer area (so it heats that metal plate), and
> stuck a 15W Reptile terrarium heating pad to the floor.
> The heating pad was a waste, but it does warm things.
> Today, with OAT's that went from the -20 to +1 range,
> I used my Harbor Freight infared thermometer and checked
> the inside temp. It's over 100F on that metal plate,
> but about 85F on the walls inside the fridge. So,
> plenty of nice warm chemicals to use. I used 2 bulbs
> so that there would be redundancy, because one should
> easily keep it from freezing. So far I've burned out
> one bulb, so having 2 was a good idea. Cheap, and
> works great.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
> <Chem_Keeper.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder Question |
Keep in mind that a 330 locks you into the 1090ES standard for ADSB,
while it looks like UAT will continue to be a more flexible and robust
system. If you want to keep options open, buy a low end Mode A/C
transponder for now. BTW, there is no such thing as IFR transponder.
They all have to meet a single TSO to be legal to use in aircraft. As
long as you avoid certain airspace, it is still legal to fly IFR with no
transponder. Might get some ATC complaints, however.
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Robin, the 330 is the only one that does Mode-S tis, and
> therefore would be the only one that you could use with
> NavWorx Composite-TIS function. If you buy a cheaper
> one without Mode-S, you'll only get ADS-B targets.
> With the 330, you can get either, via their box...assuming
> the G900 uses the same standard interface they use
> for other things.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> Robin Marks wrote:
>> I am laying out my Budget RV-8A panel and have a transponder
>> question. And yes I know this is the -10 list but I think I still have
>> privileges here.
>>
>> I am unclear what is the lowest priced Garmin Transponder that will
>> ultimately work with ADS-B and other traffic warning systems.
>>
>> I understand that the GTX-330 is their top of the line and is IFR
>> certified but will the GTX-237 work with things like Navworx and TIS?
>> It does not appear to be the case.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> Phase 1 of Panel design (~$30K):
>>
>> 8A Panel 1 Concept.jpg
>>
>> Concept 1.5.jpg
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warming up in the -10 |
Good point, but I covered that in warm day tests. The top plate gets
to about 120F but the walls about 100....which is pretty tame
considering it's that hot in Arizona hangars many days. Also, I don't
let anything get right up to the warm metal of the freezer where those
temps are. So nothing in there gets dangerously warm as the average
temp in the center may be more like 80-95 year round. A thermostat
wouldn't be a bad idea but would add cost....and even then I'd keep it
at 75 or so if I could....so it's not that much hotter. I also don't
keep any highly dangerous things in there.
It sure is nice to have nice warm liquids around though.....especially
the spray waxes and hand cleaners.
Tim
On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:32 PM, Luis <luis@cristabelle.net> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Low temperatures is the last thing I worry about here in South
> Florida. But thought I should chime in. I didn't know low temps
> can ruin cleaning supplies and the like. What happens if it gets
> TOO hot in there. Any possiblilty of something, melting, leaking,
> mixing, or much worse, start a fire. I know this is a long shot but
> you never know. 15w seems so small but......Ever thought of adding
> a thermostat? If and when it warms up, you don't have to worry
> about running to the hanger to shut the lights off. Any how, just
> looking at the safety aspect of this nifty cleaner warmer.
>
> Nice posts and -10 by the way..
>
>
> Luis
>
> aka Manny on VAF
> On Jan 2, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
>> Well, I got a flight in New Year's Eve to end of the 2009
>> flying season, and then, since it warmed up today (it
>> started out as -18F this a.m. when I woke up at
>> 9am, and got up to 1F this afternoon!) I decided to
>> go fly again.
>>
>> I'll just tell y'all again, the RV-10 heater makes it
>> real comfy in the cabin, even with OAT on the ground
>> at 1F, and even into the way negatives at altitude.
>> I have the standard Vetterman's exhaust with the 2
>> heat muffs and no coatings or anything else, and there's
>> way more heat available than what I need. On our trip
>> home from Florida, we spent literally HOURS with OAT's
>> of zero, and the kids in the back would complain at
>> times that we should turn the heat down.
>>
>> Also, thought I'd attach a picture of one of my favorite
>> little projects of the fall, now that I can comment on
>> how it's working out.
>>
>> This fall I wanted to prepare so my chemicals at the
>> hangar (windshield cleaners, hand cleaners, and all
>> that good stuff) wouldn't freeze and get ruined. I had
>> previously used a wall mounted cabinet with foam glued
>> to the inside, but it still stayed pretty cold. So
>> this fall I advertized on Craigs list looking for a
>> junk mini-fridge. I ripped out the guts, and put in an
>> outlet trio and mounted 2 15W mini-base lamp sockets in
>> the freezer area (so it heats that metal plate), and
>> stuck a 15W Reptile terrarium heating pad to the floor.
>> The heating pad was a waste, but it does warm things.
>> Today, with OAT's that went from the -20 to +1 range,
>> I used my Harbor Freight infared thermometer and checked
>> the inside temp. It's over 100F on that metal plate,
>> but about 85F on the walls inside the fridge. So,
>> plenty of nice warm chemicals to use. I used 2 bulbs
>> so that there would be redundancy, because one should
>> easily keep it from freezing. So far I've burned out
>> one bulb, so having 2 was a good idea. Cheap, and
>> works great.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>> <Chem_Keeper.jpg>
>
>
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| Subject: | Precision Gasket |
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tv-Umon7X3C6nWQKZVGKbw?authkey=Gv1sRgCI7088GZlYCc2AE&feat=directlink
Can someone tell me what this gasket is for? It came in an envelope with the Precision
airmotive injector body with the other gaskets that I understand.
Also, are there any instructions on how to install this injector body anywhere?
I can't seem to find any.
I am wanting to look up how much torque to apply on the 5/16 studs when i install
the throttle body.
thanks,
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Gasket |
It's been awhile, but IIRC, it's for the oil filter adaptor.
Don McDonald
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From: jchang10 <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Precision Gasket
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Can someone tell me what this gasket is for? It came in an envelope with th
e Precision airmotive injector body with the other gaskets that I understan
d.
Also, are there any instructions on how to install this injector body anywh
ere? I can't seem to find any.
I am wanting to look up how much torque to apply on the 5/16 studs when i i
nstall the throttle body.
thanks,
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Gasket |
It goes between the oil filter housing and the engine, I think.
Do not archive
On Jan 2, 2010, at 10:09 PM, jchang10 wrote:
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> Can someone tell me what this gasket is for? It came in an envelope with the
Precision airmotive injector body with the other gaskets that I understand.
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> Also, are there any instructions on how to install this injector body anywhere?
I can't seem to find any.
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> I am wanting to look up how much torque to apply on the 5/16 studs when i install
the throttle body.
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> thanks,
> Jae
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| Subject: | Re: Warming up in the -10 |
On the dark side (in the composite world) we wire our lights (heater) to an AC
thermostat on the inside. I tend to use a higher watt bulb in the winter than
the summer but this helps maintain the temps I'm looking for on Epoxies in my
unheated garage.
Bob Hassel
Santa Fe, NM
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder Question |
I wouldn't say that a 330 locks you into anything, really.
It is about the best way to get Mode-S TIS right now, but
you don't get the ES part unless you buy the ES upgrade
for something like $1200. So in actuality, it would give
you the flexibility to go ES as your "OUT" for ADS-B if
you needed to, although for not much more money you could
go with a UAT and feed the Wx data to an onboard device.
You're right, for now you could get a low-end Mode C
transponder and save some money, but if you go with a 330
you'll have TIS right now, and, the transponder won't be
obsoleted by the ADS-B stuff coming forward. I know Mode
S is "going away", but the timeframes are still a ways
out there....and look at how VOR's, LORAN, and things like
that were also supposed to be "going away". So really, what
it comes down to is, if you're really trying to save every
dollar you can, and you don't have any care for Mode S TIS,
then go ahead and just buy a 327 or something. But, if you
buy a 330, you can get Mode S TIS today, and that same box
will work fine for you going forward, whether you choose
a UAT or go the ES route. What I don't have a clue about
is if the 327 is going to have any upgrade path to ES...and
if it doesn't, it may be safer to just go the 330 route.
The added cost isn't in extreme dollars.
Also, just today I was watching Mode S TIS targets in the MSP
area coming through the NavWorx ADS600 ADS-B receiver....it
can take GTX330 Mode S Targets and output them to your device,
along with outputting TIS-B targets. So with something like
that, it gives some benefit to having either system. The one
thing better would be active traffic, but to really get a
good system that gives bearing, range, and altitude to
"intruders", you're going to spend maybe 5X or 6X the price,
and have to do some real good top and bottom fin antennas.
Tim
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that a 330 locks you into the 1090ES standard for ADSB,
> while it looks like UAT will continue to be a more flexible and robust
> system. If you want to keep options open, buy a low end Mode A/C
> transponder for now. BTW, there is no such thing as IFR transponder.
> They all have to meet a single TSO to be legal to use in aircraft. As
> long as you avoid certain airspace, it is still legal to fly IFR with no
> transponder. Might get some ATC complaints, however.
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Robin, the 330 is the only one that does Mode-S tis, and
>> therefore would be the only one that you could use with
>> NavWorx Composite-TIS function. If you buy a cheaper
>> one without Mode-S, you'll only get ADS-B targets.
>> With the 330, you can get either, via their box...assuming
>> the G900 uses the same standard interface they use
>> for other things.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> Robin Marks wrote:
>>> I am laying out my Budget RV-8A panel and have a transponder
>>> question. And yes I know this is the -10 list but I think I still
>>> have privileges here.
>>>
>>> I am unclear what is the lowest priced Garmin Transponder that will
>>> ultimately work with ADS-B and other traffic warning systems.
>>>
>>> I understand that the GTX-330 is their top of the line and is IFR
>>> certified but will the GTX-237 work with things like Navworx and TIS?
>>> It does not appear to be the case.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Phase 1 of Panel design (~$30K):
>>>
>>> 8A Panel 1 Concept.jpg
>>>
>>> Concept 1.5.jpg
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder Question |
All nice benefits, which also carry the price of anyone and everyone
that wants to track where you go being able to, because your Mode S
code is unique to your aircraft, regardless of VFR/IFR status. But if
you don't mind, you can see the same thing the controllers see on
radar, with a greater time lag, already 6 secs behind when it shows on
the scope. I've flown from St Paul to EAU in a TIS equipped aircraft.
IIRC it stopped supplying traffic about 50 miles east of St Paul, at
outer range of MSP radar. Maybe if I were more used to it I'd want it.
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say that a 330 locks you into anything, really.
> It is about the best way to get Mode-S TIS right now, but
> you don't get the ES part unless you buy the ES upgrade
> for something like $1200. So in actuality, it would give
> you the flexibility to go ES as your "OUT" for ADS-B if
> you needed to, although for not much more money you could
> go with a UAT and feed the Wx data to an onboard device.
>
> You're right, for now you could get a low-end Mode C
> transponder and save some money, but if you go with a 330
> you'll have TIS right now, and, the transponder won't be
> obsoleted by the ADS-B stuff coming forward. I know Mode
> S is "going away", but the timeframes are still a ways
> out there....and look at how VOR's, LORAN, and things like
> that were also supposed to be "going away". So really, what
> it comes down to is, if you're really trying to save every
> dollar you can, and you don't have any care for Mode S TIS,
> then go ahead and just buy a 327 or something. But, if you
> buy a 330, you can get Mode S TIS today, and that same box
> will work fine for you going forward, whether you choose
> a UAT or go the ES route. What I don't have a clue about
> is if the 327 is going to have any upgrade path to ES...and
> if it doesn't, it may be safer to just go the 330 route.
> The added cost isn't in extreme dollars.
>
> Also, just today I was watching Mode S TIS targets in the MSP
> area coming through the NavWorx ADS600 ADS-B receiver....it
> can take GTX330 Mode S Targets and output them to your device,
> along with outputting TIS-B targets. So with something like
> that, it gives some benefit to having either system. The one
> thing better would be active traffic, but to really get a
> good system that gives bearing, range, and altitude to
> "intruders", you're going to spend maybe 5X or 6X the price,
> and have to do some real good top and bottom fin antennas.
>
> Tim
>
>
> Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>>
>> Keep in mind that a 330 locks you into the 1090ES standard for ADSB, while
>> it looks like UAT will continue to be a more flexible and robust system. If
>> you want to keep options open, buy a low end Mode A/C transponder for now.
>> BTW, there is no such thing as IFR transponder. They all have to meet a
>> single TSO to be legal to use in aircraft. As long as you avoid certain
>> airspace, it is still legal to fly IFR with no transponder. Might get some
>> ATC complaints, however.
>>
>> Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin, the 330 is the only one that does Mode-S tis, and
>>> therefore would be the only one that you could use with
>>> NavWorx Composite-TIS function. If you buy a cheaper
>>> one without Mode-S, you'll only get ADS-B targets.
>>> With the 330, you can get either, via their box...assuming
>>> the G900 uses the same standard interface they use
>>> for other things.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin Marks wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am laying out my Budget RV-8A panel and have a transponder question.
>>>> And yes I know this is the -10 list but I think I still have privileges
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> I am unclear what is the lowest priced Garmin Transponder that will
>>>> ultimately work with ADS-B and other traffic warning systems.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that the GTX-330 is their top of the line and is IFR
>>>> certified but will the GTX-237 work with things like Navworx and TIS? It
>>>> does not appear to be the case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phase 1 of Panel design (~$30K):
>>>>
>>>> 8A Panel 1 Concept.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Concept 1.5.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Warming up in the -10 |
Great idea, Tim. As far as temp control at soggy/foggy KWVI goes, we
started using electric blankets for some of our larger composite parts.
Keeps 'em nice and toasty all night long, and not as nerve wracking as the
infra-red heat lamps we used to use.
You know, you could add a $15 thermostat to your chem locker and set it at
the ideal temp. I think McMaster PN 17395K93 would do it.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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I had a couple of issues with the wiring of my PS1000 intercom. After wiring the
whole thing myself, and then seeing, at Osh, the great job that they do, I
went ahead and ordered their harness. Now I need to pull most of my wiring out
and install theirs. Without creating noise and/or other issues, is it possible
to create a proper junction between their wires and mine.... specifically
the wires going to both rear passengers (mic and headset).
Thanks guys.
Don McDonald
Anyone flown with an SR22 to do a 10 vs. 22 comparison?
I may tomorrow.
Whose got the record for climb rate? With 2 on board last week we saw 2140fpm
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Don A. McDonald
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| Subject: | Re: Most complete tool kit |
To all the answers I got to my (seemingly simple) question -- wow.
Thank you all for the detailed responses! Now off to buy some tools... ;-)
Chris
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:22 AM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> Chris, like the subject of Primer, tools bring out the personal side of
> the RV-10 list. Several will tell you that one brand is better over
> another. Most like the Beach Boys song "Be true to your school" have not
> played the field much. The key is the feel, balance and weight in Your
> Hands. Speed is indeed a factor in improving quality of production. You
> can always regulate down a faster product for slower cutting or deity forbid
> "Drill an errant rivet". The inverse is not possible. Trueness of the
> "chucked bit" is another. Some chucks tend to wear out more quickly than
> others. Many builders love the keyless chuck. Noise of the pneumatics and
> consistent speed under load are two metrics to measure your options
> against. Pilots tend to go deaf from flying without noise cancelling
> headsets. Builders do it from their pneumatic tools. Be sure and get
> protection that you enjoy wearing.
>
>
> I have two Sioux palm reversibles and love them. I found the Dotco with
> ergonomic grip to be even more comfortable. I cannot stand the miniature
> (hard to find) special size key necessary to change items in the Sioux
> chuck. I would love to have a keyless chuck in just one of mine but there
> are tradeoffs when trying to back out a stuck bit that is turning in the
> chuck. The reason I have two small drives (five in total) is the
> convenience of have PRE set up a 0.030 bit, another with the 0.040, another
> with a micro cage for countersinking and another for scotchbrite disks on an
> arbor. Many of the micro cages will have a bushing rather than a bearing
> and begin migrating at the end of the build as your QC level becomes more
> demanding. And yes, I use both reamers and Cogswell Deburr tools.
>
>
> Some of us follow the path of Tiger Woods in life, I have a fetish for
> tools. A quality tool in the hand of a craftsman, properly applied can be a
> thing of beauty. For shops to die for, visit the archive of Bob Newman's -
> TCW workshop. Pictures can be far more eloquent.
>
>
> No one has yet mentioned a 90 or 45 degree drill for those tight spots
> using 1/4" x 28 threaded bits. I even have a "East Indian" manufactured
> pancake drill for hard to reach areas with only 1" of headroom. 60% of my
> stuff has come from Ebay. About 10% gets re-sold so Caveat Emptor.
>
>
> Many are building quality products with the most basic of builder tools. A
> majority of builders learn about the tool options later in the build rather
> than in the beginning. Few of them have been willing to sell anything after
> completion of their kit. Others are fortunate enough to have access to the
> DRDT2 dimpler or share it around with friends. That will be the hardest
> tool to sneak past my wife in her random tours of the hangar. Visit Tim
> Olson's site on how to engage your partner in the build and its rewards.
>
>
> Enjoy the journey and consider engaging one or several EAA Tech Advisors
> (near you) to share with you the roads less traveled or infrequently repaved
> by builder mistakes. Visit http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html .
> Feel at ease contacting builders Offline - Anytime.
>
>
> John Cox
>
> Aurora, OR
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Colohan
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:55 AM
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> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Most complete tool kit
>
>
> While I've got the experts on the line...
>
>
> I'm currently trying to acquire used tools (aka, on the cheap) to start
> building an RV-10. I've been looking at ebay for drills, and realize I
> don't quite know what I need.
>
>
> In particular, when I read articles on building, I've seen multiple
> references (including the Sioux web site) which say you need >5000rpm in a
> drill for working with aluminum. But such a drill doesn't seem to exist,
> and the drills that come with RV-10 tool kits tend to be around 2000rpm.
>
>
> If I just buy one of the (many) older Sioux drills on ebay, am I likely to
> be happy? Or do these things tend to wear out or break in funny ways when
> they get older?
>
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I looked at putting a keyless chuck on my Sioux, but in the end I never
> really felt that it was a big enough deal to actually do it. I think if one
> is frugal, like me, it certainly is worth just trying everything as is and
> upgrading those things that one really needs (or wants) no different than
> the kit itself, some items really "need" to be replaced/upgraded and many
> don't, others are fine as it is even though some have upgraded. My examples
> would focus around the landing gear; axle, extension, wheel, etc.
>
>
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> From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:20 AM
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> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
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> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Most complete tool kit
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> MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
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> >
> > I have the red one and not sure the teasing capability is very good, so
> > the Chicago sounds great. Keyless chuck? Can't imagine being without
> it.
> >
> > Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> >>
> >> IMHO, your best deal on a drill is from Avery. The Chicago Pneumatic
> >> is compact, light, and has a very nice touch teasing trigger, for
> >> $125, or $155 with reversing. Sure a keyless chuck is nice, but is it
> >> worth an extra $70? Maybe Avery would make a deal combining the two.
> >>
>
> >> Luis Rodriguez wrote:
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> >>> Score:
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> >>> Ischam 3
> >>> Avery. 1
> >>> Custom 2
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for the responses so far!!!
> >>>
> >>> I'll definetly add the hole punch, extra clecos, extra scotchbrite
> >>> wheels, and a drdt2.
> >>>
> >>> I'll eBay the air drill and pneumatic sqeezer.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPod
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:56 PM, Luis Rodriguez <luis@cristabelle.net>
> >>> wrote:
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> >>>> Which tool kit is the most complete/best to order for the -10.
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