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1. 04:37 AM - Re: Re: FWF hoses (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 06:44 AM - AMSAFE inflatable belts (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: AMSAFE inflatable belts (Seano)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: AMSAFE inflatable belts (DLM)
5. 07:08 AM - Re: AMSAFE inflatable belts (Perry, Phil)
6. 07:56 AM - Re: AMSAFE inflatable belts (DLM)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: AMSAFE inflatable belts (William Curtis)
8. 08:04 AM - Re: AMSAFE inflatable belts (Dave Saylor)
9. 03:42 PM - Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation (David Shelton)
10. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation (John Gonzalez)
11. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation (ricksked@cox.net)
12. 07:52 PM - Re: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation (Tim Olson)
13. 09:43 PM - Re: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation (John Gonzalez)
14. 09:43 PM - Re: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation (Scott Schmidt)
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Thanks to everyone, that pretty much confirmed what my impressions were. All
fluid lines will be fire sleeved. One data point on the integral vs. add on
fire sleeve, Bonaco is more than HALF ($457 vs. $1015) what Aircraft Hose is for
a $558 savings for my configuration. The only difference is that Bonaco's
fire sleeve isn't integral. I'll sacrifice the good looks and couple other minor
advantages for more than 50% savings. :)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: FWF hoses
The integral firesleeve hoses are the easiest way to accomplish this,
because they have none of the inconveniences of external firesleeve,
most if not all have teflon core, making them last at least as long as
the engine TBO. IIRC William Curtis has a list of all the hoses with
lengths and fittings on his website, so even ordering is easy. Of
course if Vans is supplying some of the hoses integral firesleeve,
that reduces the number you have to get from other sources.
And yes, I agree with John, you want any hose that carries flammable
liquids in front of the firewall to be firesleeve protected one way or
another.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:06 PM, John Cumins <jcumins@jcis.net> wrote:
> My butt is worth more than a few bucks, then not to make sure all fluid
> lines are not protected and the best lines available. Your butt relies on
> it.
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| Subject: | AMSAFE inflatable belts |
Has anyone asked AmSafe if they'd sell their air bag inflatable aviation
belts to homebuilders? And how much they would cost? Or would one have
to let AmSafe's authorized service center install them?
TDT
40025
Wiring the radio stack
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: AMSAFE inflatable belts |
I'm interested in this too and can't find anything about it for
homebuilders. I'm a big believer that this would be a life saver or at
least be able to walk away from an engine failure.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: RV10-List: AMSAFE inflatable belts
Has anyone asked AmSafe if they'd sell their air bag inflatable
aviation belts to homebuilders? And how much they would cost? Or would
one have to let AmSafe's authorized service center install them?
TDT
40025
Wiring the radio stack
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | AMSAFE inflatable belts |
I have forwarded this to my AMSAFE contact. The question has been asked
before with non committal results
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:30 AM
Subject: RV10-List: AMSAFE inflatable belts
Has anyone asked AmSafe if they'd sell their air bag inflatable aviation
belts to homebuilders? And how much they would cost? Or would one have to
let AmSafe's authorized service center install them?
TDT
40025
Wiring the radio stack
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | AMSAFE inflatable belts |
They were taking names and model numbers at OSH last year just to get a
feel for how successful the homebuilt market would be and which models
they should be concerned with. Ditto with the BRS chute folks too....
Not sure if anything ever happened with the data though.
From: Seano [mailto:sean@braunandco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AMSAFE inflatable belts
I'm interested in this too and can't find anything about it for
homebuilders. I'm a big believer that this would be a life saver or at
least be able to walk away from an engine failure.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
<mailto:tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: RV10-List: AMSAFE inflatable belts
Has anyone asked AmSafe if they'd sell their air bag inflatable
aviation belts to homebuilders? And how much they would cost? Or would
one have to let AmSafe's authorized service center install them?
TDT
40025
Wiring the radio stack
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
s
.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | AMSAFE inflatable belts |
The problem with both items are the attach points and the fail safe
activation of the item. Considerable design would be required to implement
inflatable belts or BRS in an experimental. With many experimentals, the
volume required to justify the design costs would not exist. In addition
there is no guarantee that each experimental of a given class would be
structurally identical to the others. With a small market and little control
over the construction process, the risk of accident/lawsuit would far exceed
the rewards. IIRC the costs per inflatable seat restraint was going to be
about $2500+ each assuming that an acceptable installation design could be
determined. .
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AMSAFE inflatable belts
They were taking names and model numbers at OSH last year just to get a feel
for how successful the homebuilt market would be and which models they
should be concerned with. Ditto with the BRS chute folks too..
Not sure if anything ever happened with the data though.
From: Seano [mailto:sean@braunandco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AMSAFE inflatable belts
I'm interested in this too and can't find anything about it for
homebuilders. I'm a big believer that this would be a life saver or at
least be able to walk away from an engine failure.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <mailto:tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject: RV10-List: AMSAFE inflatable belts
Has anyone asked AmSafe if they'd sell their air bag inflatable aviation
belts to homebuilders? And how much they would cost? Or would one have to
let AmSafe's authorized service center install them?
TDT
40025
Wiring the radio stack
Tim Dawson-Townsend
Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: AMSAFE inflatable belts |
Lancair has them for sale. I'm sure they would sell them to non-Lancair
builders for $4,390 per pair.
http://www.lancair.com/Main/iv_ivp_options.html
222-0008-A Airbag Seat Belts (Available in black only, Pilot\Co-pilot only)
*$4,390.00* PR
KDS0140 3 Point Inertial Reel Front Seat Belt Black *$370.00* EA
KDS0141 3 Point Inertial Reel Front Seat Belt -*Special Color *$395.00*
EA
--
William
N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <
tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> Has anyone asked AmSafe if they=92d sell their air bag inflatable aviati
on
> belts to homebuilders? And how much they would cost? Or would one have
to
> let AmSafe=92s authorized service center install them?
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> TDT
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> 40025
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> Tim Dawson-Townsend
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> Aurora Flight Sciences
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> tdt@aurora.aero
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| Subject: | Re: AMSAFE inflatable belts |
Lancair sells a system for their kits:
http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=222-0008
I'm not sure if they would sell to other brands. We looked at it for a
customer and you pretty much had to forfeit the rear footwells to install
them in a Lancair IV because of all the added structure.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <
tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> Has anyone asked AmSafe if they=92d sell their air bag inflatable aviati
on
> belts to homebuilders? And how much they would cost? Or would one have
to
> let AmSafe=92s authorized service center install them?
>
>
> TDT
>
> 40025
>
> Wiring the radio stack
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> Aurora Flight Sciences
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation |
Reservations? Rental Cars? I usually just bring my motorcycle. The RV-10 is a nice
airplane but it only takes me to other airports. RV-10 + Motorcycle lets me
go anywhere I want without any hassles. :D
www.MotorcyclePilot.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280295#280295
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation |
My neighbor is a chief with the fire department. My older friend is a retir
ed LAPD VIP motorcaid cop who also trained othe cops in the motorschool.
The fireman said that only 100% of them go down. The LAPD guy said he would
kill me if he ever caught me on a road bike...and he laid his down one tim
e.
What happens when you put a motorcycle inside an airplane???
Be careful!
Who will end up flying that plane back home?
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation
> From: SBaircraft@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue=2C 5 Jan 2010 15:41:02 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Reservations? Rental Cars? I usually just bring my motorcycle. The RV-10
is a nice airplane but it only takes me to other airports. RV-10 + Motorcyc
le lets me go anywhere I want without any hassles. :D
>
> www.MotorcyclePilot.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280295#280295
>
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>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/motorcycle_151.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation |
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| Subject: | Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation |
Oh my goodness!! And I got the girls dirt bikes this
year! I didn't know they were dangerous! :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
> My neighbor is a chief with the fire department. My older friend is a
> retired LAPD VIP motorcaid cop who also trained othe cops in the
> motorschool.
>
> The fireman said that only 100% of them go down. The LAPD guy said he
> would kill me if he ever caught me on a road bike...and he laid his down
> one time.
>
> What happens when you put a motorcycle inside an airplane???
>
> Be careful!
>
> Who will end up flying that plane back home?
>
>
>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation
> > From: SBaircraft@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:41:02 -0800
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Reservations? Rental Cars? I usually just bring my motorcycle. The
> RV-10 is a nice airplane but it only takes me to other airports. RV-10 +
> Motorcycle lets me go anywhere I want without any hassles. :D
> >
> > www.MotorcyclePilot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280295#280295
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//f=======
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| Subject: | Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation |
Read carefully...the cop said ROAD BIKE!
> Date: Tue=2C 5 Jan 2010 21:50:42 -0600
> From: Tim@MyRV10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation
>
>
> Oh my goodness!! And I got the girls dirt bikes this
> year! I didn't know they were dangerous! :)
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> John Gonzalez wrote:
>> My neighbor is a chief with the fire department. My older friend is a
>> retired LAPD VIP motorcaid cop who also trained othe cops in the
>> motorschool.
>>
>> The fireman said that only 100% of them go down. The LAPD guy said he
>> would kill me if he ever caught me on a road bike...and he laid his down
>> one time.
>>
>> What happens when you put a motorcycle inside an airplane???
>>
>> Be careful!
>>
>> Who will end up flying that plane back home?
>>
>>
>>
>> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation
>> > From: SBaircraft@yahoo.com
>> > Date: Tue=2C 5 Jan 2010 15:41:02 -0800
>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >
>
>> >
>> > Reservations? Rental Cars? I usually just bring my motorcycle. The
>> RV-10 is a nice airplane but it only takes me to other airports. RV-10 +
>> Motorcycle lets me go anywhere I want without any hassles. :D
>> >
>> > www.MotorcyclePilot.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280295#280295
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation |
Tim, the girls will be fine. It will be the guys they are dating that pick them
up for prom on the bullet bike that you have to worry about.
I have heard many times that motorcycles and airplanes are almost identical on
the risk meter when it comes to fatalities.
Training and practice is the biggest factor for both to decrease the risks. I
have over 100,000 miles on my motorcycles and multiple 24 hours endurance rides,
all safe.
The MSF course and advanced courses are great for motorcycle training but the best
way to learn is to take a 10 day trip riding a few hundred miles a day around
our great country.
The same really is true for flying. When we get our private pilots license we
are very dangerous. We then learn more by going on cross country trips and landing
at many different airports and practicing our flight and weather planning.
So I'd say, throw that bike in the plane with your parachute, ride to a big bridge,
jump off the bridge, ride back to the airport and fly home:)
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 8:50:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation
Oh my goodness!! And I got the girls dirt bikes this
year! I didn't know they were dangerous! :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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John Gonzalez wrote:
> My neighbor is a chief with the fire department. My older friend is a retired
LAPD VIP motorcaid cop who also trained othe cops in the motorschool.
> The fireman said that only 100% of them go down. The LAPD guy said he would kill
me if he ever caught me on a road bike...and he laid his down one time.
> What happens when you put a motorcycle inside an airplane???
>
> Be careful!
>
> Who will end up flying that plane back home?
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> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Confirmed: Enterprise Rent-A-Car Reservation
> > From: SBaircraft@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:41:02 -0800
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> >
> > Reservations? Rental Cars? I usually just bring my motorcycle. The RV-10 is
a nice airplane but it only takes me to other airports. RV-10 + Motorcycle lets
me go anywhere I want without any hassles. :D
> >
> > www.MotorcyclePilot.com
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=280295#280295
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> > http://forums.matronics.com//f=======
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