RV10-List Digest Archive

Mon 01/11/10


Total Messages Posted: 18



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:22 AM - Re: Brake fluid (Bob Leffler)
     2. 05:24 AM - Re: trimming front ramps with prop (Jesse Saint)
     3. 07:33 AM - Note to AFS EFIS Users - New software / Map format (Jim)
     4. 12:22 PM - Re: engine break in period (Bob Turner)
     5. 02:37 PM - IO 540 motor oil? (John Gonzalez)
     6. 02:58 PM - deal of the day (Pascal)
     7. 03:11 PM - Re: IO 540 motor oil? (ricksked@cox.net)
     8. 05:58 PM - Re: Note to AFS EFIS Users - New software / Map format (robhickman@aol.com)
     9. 06:12 PM - First Flight ()
    10. 06:24 PM - Re: First Flight (Bob Turner)
    11. 07:09 PM - Bush Plane Salvage (Les Kearney)
    12. 07:58 PM - Re: Bush Plane Salvage (Perry, Phil)
    13. 08:14 PM - Re: First Flight (Marcus Cooper)
    14. 08:16 PM - Re: Bush Plane Salvage (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
    15. 08:18 PM - Re: First Flight (Dave Saylor)
    16. 10:25 PM - BBS style RV-10 site? (Phil)
    17. 10:29 PM - Re: First Flight (Don McDonald)
    18. 10:56 PM - Re: BBS style RV-10 site? (Phil White)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:22:17 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Brake fluid
    You can purchase by the quart and/or a gallon at Skygeek. http://www.skygeek.com/royco-782-synthetic-fire-resistant-hydraulic-fluid.ht ml bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:09 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake fluid Hi Again Have a look at this thread and then decide which spec of brake fluid to use. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260147 <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260147&sid=020e52c3617a6b3e4eba 5dcf3a02c544> &sid=020e52c3617a6b3e4eba5dcf3a02c544 Aeroshell 41 is a Mil Spec 5606 grade of fluid that has a much lower flash point than Aeroshell 31. Personally, I ike the extra security of the higher flash point fluid. A gallon is way overkill but it was the smallest quantity I could buy (and the price difference was minimal). Cheers Les _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: January-10-10 10:45 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Brake fluid I did it this way, bought the can from Harbor freight and had it all done within about 15 minutes. I did it so fast I thought I did something wrong, one item I did come across is the pilot to co-pilot tubes had some air in it, but in time it raised up to the reservoir and is long gone, so if that happens to you don't worry just keep filling up the reservoir and the air will rise. I just bought Aeroshell 41 brake fluid from Aircraft spruce, http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/aeroshell_bflu.php- pint is more than plenty. Pascal From: Les Kearney <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake fluid Dave This link shows how to bleed RV brakes. I have't done this but hope to try in a couple of weeks. It doesn't seem too complicated. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=33493 I bought a gallon of Aeroshell 31 from the oilstore (http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/aerfluid31ga.html). I selected this as it has a higher flash point than normal brake fluid. It is not available from Shell in Canada so I had to buy online. Cheers Les _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: January-10-10 9:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Brake fluid I have been unable to find information on the type of brake fluid and method of filling and bleeding the brake system. Advice appreciated. Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA Muskego, WI href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 05:24:21 AM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: trimming front ramps with prop
    You had to have the prop on to fit the cowl, but if it is now fit, you can remove the prop to make the baffles much easier to work with. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Pascal wrote: > Before I spend too much time on this any suggestions how to get the bottom cowl on to trim the front air ramps? I seem to be having an issue with getting it to fit behind the spinner and over the air ramps. > thanks! > > >


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    Time: 07:33:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Note to AFS EFIS Users - New software / Map format
    From: "Jim" <jim@CombsFive.Com>
    Just a heads up to Advanced Flight Systems users. AFS has updated the map format to Version 12 (One file vs Three) along with new EFIS software. EFIS Software is on the "Support" page and map software is on the "Web Store" page. Jim C (N312F - 1st Condition Inspection Underway - in a COLD Hanger!) Do Not Archive


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    Time: 12:22:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: engine break in period
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    AS others have noted, when on the ground even a CS prop tends to be stalled over the inboard section, and provides very little cooling airflow into the cowl. Extended high power ground runs are generally a poor idea. However, a "bad break in" is not completely catastrophic financially (assuming you didn't over heat anything). You'd have to pull all the cylinders and re-hone them, to break the glaze; then start again. I think a lot of engine people would agree that the 50 hours called for by Lycoming is wildly conservative (but not harmful). For steel cylinders most of the break-in happens in the first few hours, and if it doesn't the cylinders most likely are glazed over, and another 40 hours is unlikely to help. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281071#281071


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    Time: 02:37:11 PM PST US
    From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: IO 540 motor oil?
    In doing my cowl fitting it was necessary to rotate my three bladed prop. I pulled the bottom plugs and had a significant amount of the motor oil cont aining the anti corrosion additive out of #1 and #3 cylinders. I just got a sample of the Cortec VC1-326 additive but can someone tell me what motor oil the engine normally uses. My engine manual is behind a pile of stuff which I cannot get out of the way right now. Thanks John


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    Time: 02:58:59 PM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
    Subject: deal of the day
    With all the talk a few days ago about corrosion protections check out the deal of the day http://www.aircraftspruce.com/dealoftheday.html Pascal


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    Time: 03:11:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: IO 540 motor oil?
    From: ricksked@cox.net
    Mineral oil Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com> Subject: RV10-List: IO 540 motor oil? In doing my cowl fitting it was necessary to rotate my three bladed prop. I pulled the bottom plugs and had a significant amount of the motor oil containing the a nti corrosion additive out of #1 and #3 cylinders. I just got a sample of the Cortec VC1-326 additive but can someone tell me what motor oil the engine normally uses. My engine manual is behind a pile of stuff whi ch I cannot get out of the way right now. Thanks John


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    Time: 05:58:57 PM PST US
    From: robhickman@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Note to AFS EFIS Users - New software / Map format
    The EFIS still uses three files, they are currently zipped in one file. Rob Hickman In a message dated 1/11/2010 7:34:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jim@CombsFive.Com writes: Just a heads up to Advanced Flight Systems users. AFS has updated the map format to Version 12 (One file vs Three) along with new EFIS software. EFIS Software is on the "Support" page and map software is on the "Web Store" page. Jim C (N312F - 1st Condition Inspection Underway - in a COLD Hanger!) Do Not Archive (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution)


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    Time: 06:12:39 PM PST US
    From: <jfrjr@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: First Flight
    After four plus years N333GR (#40301) finally took the weight off the wheels. Like most previously described first flights this too was uneventful. I was struck by the forward view (I found my self constantly wanting to climb since the "normal" view looked like a dive) and the beauty of seeing the runway all the way thru the pattern (all previous time in a 172). I was too tumescent to remember anything else. I do have some issues with the GRT EFIS and EIS but I think they are related to my lack of computer skills and the less than clear (at least to me) GRT set-up documents. If anyone has advice on GRT set-up please let me know. Jay Rowe


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    Time: 06:24:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    Congratulations! What efis is this, the sport or the horizon? Some builders have reported that it is very sensitive to the field sensor being in a magnetic field-free environment. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281117#281117


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    Time: 07:09:12 PM PST US
    From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Bush Plane Salvage
    Hi Take a look at this video and keep it in mind the time you fret over a slightly enlarged rivet hole. I especially like the bit about the "structural" wood spar. <http://www.optimaljet.com/index1.htm> http://www.optimaljet.com/index1.htm Cheers Les #40643


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    Time: 07:58:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bush Plane Salvage
    From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
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    Time: 08:14:24 PM PST US
    From: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@verizon.net>
    Subject: First Flight
    Way to go! Congrats and have fun with the testing. Marcus Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jfrjr@roadrunner.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: First Flight After four plus years N333GR (#40301) finally took the weight off the wheels. Like most previously described first flights this too was uneventful. I was struck by the forward view (I found my self constantly wanting to climb since the "normal" view looked like a dive) and the beauty of seeing the runway all the way thru the pattern (all previous time in a 172). I was too tumescent to remember anything else. I do have some issues with the GRT EFIS and EIS but I think they are related to my lack of computer skills and the less than clear (at least to me) GRT set-up documents. If anyone has advice on GRT set-up please let me know. Jay Rowe


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    Time: 08:16:58 PM PST US
    From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike@msn.com>
    Subject: Bush Plane Salvage
    That sheet metal work makes me feel so much better about my riveting! I bet the log book reads "removed and repaired wingtip" From: kearney@shaw.ca Subject: RV10-List: Bush Plane Salvage Hi Take a look at this video and keep it in mind the time you fret over a slig htly enlarged rivet hole. I especially like the bit about the "structural" wood spar. http://www.optimaljet.com/index1.htm Cheers Les #40643


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    Time: 08:18:57 PM PST US
    From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: First Flight
    Great news, Jay! Makes it all worthwhile, huh? do not archive Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:12 PM, <jfrjr@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > After four plus years N333GR (#40301) finally took the weight off the > wheels. Like most previously described first flights this too was > uneventful. I was struck by the forward view (I found my self constantly > wanting to climb since the "normal" view looked like a dive) and the beauty > of seeing the runway all the way thru the pattern (all previous time in a > 172). I was too tumescent to remember anything else. I do have some issues > with the GRT EFIS and EIS but I think they are related to my lack of > computer skills and the less than clear (at least to me) GRT set-up > documents. If anyone has advice on GRT set-up please let me know. Jay > Rowe > >


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    Time: 10:25:50 PM PST US
    From: Phil <philwhite9@aol.com>
    Subject: BBS style RV-10 site?
    Can someone provide me the web site that lists the RV-10 postings in the old-style BBS fashion? I get the digest, but some photos are not included. Before my disk crash in Dec, I had bookmarked the site that allowed me to see all the postings, and view the photos. Now I can't find it. Phil wiring and engine plumbing in IL


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    Time: 10:29:46 PM PST US
    From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: First Flight
    Congrats.... it's great watching this family grow! Don McDonald --- On Mon, 1/11/10, jfrjr@roadrunner.com <jfrjr@roadrunner.com> wrote: From: jfrjr@roadrunner.com <jfrjr@roadrunner.com> Subject: RV10-List: First Flight After four plus years N333GR (#40301) finally took the weight off the wheel s.- Like most previously described first flights this too was uneventful. - I was struck by the forward view (I found my self constantly wanting to climb since the "normal" view looked like a dive) and the beauty of seeing the runway all the way thru the pattern (all previous time in a 172). I wa s too tumescent to remember anything else.- I do have some issues with th e GRT EFIS and EIS but I think they are related to my lack of computer skil ls and the less than clear (at least to me) GRT set-up documents.- If any one has advice on GRT set-up please let me know.- - Jay Rowe le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 10:56:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: BBS style RV-10 site?
    From: "Phil White" <philwhite9@aol.com>
    I found it: forums.matronics.com. :D Some days, just dumb luck. Other days, simply dumb! Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281135#281135




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