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1. 12:34 AM - Re: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl (Dan Charrois)
2. 12:35 AM - Re: First Flight (Patrick Pulis)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl (Seano)
4. 07:06 AM - Re: First Flight (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
5. 11:00 AM - Re: Brake fluid (AirMike)
6. 11:03 AM - Re: IO 540 motor oil? (AirMike)
7. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Brake fluid (John Cox)
8. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: IO 540 motor oil? (John Gonzalez)
9. 06:05 PM - ramp check (pilotdds@aol.com)
10. 06:46 PM - Re: ramp check (Rick)
11. 07:01 PM - Re: ramp check (Linn Walters)
12. 07:01 PM - Re: ramp check (David Maib)
13. 08:27 PM - Re: ramp check (Dave Saylor)
14. 08:30 PM - Re: ramp check (David Shelton)
15. 08:32 PM - Re: ramp check (ricksked@cox.net)
16. 08:36 PM - Re: ramp check (ricksked@cox.net)
17. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: ramp check (ricksked@cox.net)
18. 08:42 PM - Re: ramp check (ricksked@cox.net)
19. 08:57 PM - Re: ramp check (Linn Walters)
20. 10:13 PM - Re: ramp check (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl |
Thanks everyone for letting me know of your experiences with the James Aircraft
cowl. From the sounds of things, I think I'm going to go with the stock Van's
cowl. I was hoping there might be some demonstrable performance gain, but I'm
not enough of an "appearance" guy for the look to be worth the additional effort,
complication, and cost. Keeping things more straightforward can't be a
bad thing :-)
Dan
On 2010-Jan-07, at 10:08 PM, Dan Charrois wrote:
>
> Hi there. I'm about to order my fuselage and finishing kits for my RV-10 and
sorting out components to delete so as to replace/upgrade from stock Van's parts.
One big ticket item I've been contemplating is the cowling. I intend on
using an IO-540, either a stock Lycoming or from BPE depending on budget at the
time.
>
> Anyway, I've searched through the mailing list and various online forums, but
any posts I've found relating to the James Aircraft cowl are fairly dated.. there
seems to be some information on people's experiences with the James Aircraft
cowls for other RVs, but not much for their RV-10 offering. I know some people
are planning on using it, but are any flying? What about the specs on it
- it is claimed to be faster, more fuel efficient, and better at cooling...
is that measurable, or mostly just hype? I've read that it is a bit more work
to fit than the standard Van's cowl - what are people's experiences with that?
I'm trying to sort out if it's worth it (to me - everyone has their own criteria)
in terms of cost and time, so any experiences that anyone has with it would
be greatly appreciated!
>
> And if anyone has other advice on components they'd upgrade from Van's stock
items for the fuselage and finishing kit, I'm all ears.... especially for the
more expensive items that can be deleted out of Van's kit.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Dan
> --
> Syzygy Research & Technology
> Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada
> Phone: 780-961-2213
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Well done Jay.- Wishing you safe, smooth and clear skies.=0A=0APatrick Pu
lis=0AAdelaide, South Australia=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________________
___=0AFrom: "jfrjr@roadrunner.com" <jfrjr@roadrunner.com>=0ATo: Matronics R
V-10 list <RV10-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Tue, 12 January, 2010 12:42:01
<jfrjr@roadrunner.com>=0A=0AAfter four plus years N333GR (#40301) finally
took the weight off the wheels.- Like most previously described first fli
ghts this too was uneventful.- I was struck by the forward view (I found
my self constantly wanting to climb since the "normal" view looked like a d
ive) and the beauty of seeing the runway all the way thru the pattern (all
previous time in a 172). I was too tumescent to remember anything else.-
I do have some issues with the GRT EFIS and EIS but I think they are relate
d to my lack of computer skills and the less than clear (at least to me) GR
T set-up documents.- If anyone has advice on GRT set-up please let me kno
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl |
It will be interesting to see how the Showplanes cowling will turn out. I
went with the stock cowling after hearing all of the horror stories with the
SJ cowl.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Charrois" <danlist@syz.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl
Thanks everyone for letting me know of your experiences with the James
Aircraft cowl. From the sounds of things, I think I'm going to go with the
stock Van's cowl. I was hoping there might be some demonstrable performance
gain, but I'm not enough of an "appearance" guy for the look to be worth the
additional effort, complication, and cost. Keeping things more
straightforward can't be a bad thing :-)
Dan
On 2010-Jan-07, at 10:08 PM, Dan Charrois wrote:
>
> Hi there. I'm about to order my fuselage and finishing kits for my RV-10
> and sorting out components to delete so as to replace/upgrade from stock
> Van's parts. One big ticket item I've been contemplating is the cowling.
> I intend on using an IO-540, either a stock Lycoming or from BPE depending
> on budget at the time.
>
> Anyway, I've searched through the mailing list and various online forums,
> but any posts I've found relating to the James Aircraft cowl are fairly
> dated.. there seems to be some information on people's experiences with
> the James Aircraft cowls for other RVs, but not much for their RV-10
> offering. I know some people are planning on using it, but are any
> flying? What about the specs on it - it is claimed to be faster, more
> fuel efficient, and better at cooling... is that measurable, or mostly
> just hype? I've read that it is a bit more work to fit than the standard
> Van's cowl - what are people's experiences with that? I'm trying to sort
> out if it's worth it (to me - everyone has their own criteria) in terms of
> cost and time, so any experiences that anyone has with it would be greatly
> appreciated!
>
> And if anyone has other advice on components they'd upgrade from Van's
> stock items for the fuselage and finishing kit, I'm all ears....
> especially for the more expensive items that can be deleted out of Van's
> kit.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Dan
> --
> Syzygy Research & Technology
> Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada
> Phone: 780-961-2213
>
>
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Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada
Phone: 780-961-2213
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Congratulations and Happy Flying!
jfrjr@roadrunner.com wrote:
>
> After four plus years N333GR (#40301) finally took the weight off the wheels.
Like most previously described first flights this too was uneventful. I was
struck by the forward view (I found my self constantly wanting to climb since
the "normal" view looked like a dive) and the beauty of seeing the runway all
the way thru the pattern (all previous time in a 172). I was too tumescent to
remember anything else. I do have some issues with the GRT EFIS and EIS but
I think they are related to my lack of computer skills and the less than clear
(at least to me) GRT set-up documents. If anyone has advice on GRT set-up please
let me know. Jay Rowe
>
>
>
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All of the replies are helpful but I would also add that you should fill up the
brake lines early in the game before you install the panel. Plus test them for
proper operation. I had two leaks (the Matco Brakes and at the pedals) that
were real bears to get fixed and VERY VERY messy. Brake fluid is very messy stuff.
Working upside down with the wrenches was a nasty side line to the build.
--------
OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - testing phase 1
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| Subject: | Re: IO 540 motor oil? |
Per Ricksked if the engine is new you MUST use straight Mineral Oil per Lycoming's
specs until "the oil consumption stabilizes". Get it from your local FBO,
Spruce, or Chief Aircraft. Be sure to drain all of the preservative oil from the
engine first.
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OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - testing phase 1
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I found a great solution from an RV8 builder, while attending the
invaluable Airflow Performance Fuel Injector Training School in
November. It had a mounted fill tube, AN fitting and two Adel clamps to
store the tube when needed. Picture available on individual requests
posted Offline. Choices of distribution lines and cylinders makes a big
difference in potential leaks. I am an advocate for alternative fluid
to H-5606 and use of Bonaco lines.
John Cox
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Brake fluid
All of the replies are helpful but I would also add that you should fill
up the brake lines early in the game before you install the panel. Plus
test them for proper operation. I had two leaks (the Matco Brakes and at
the pedals) that were real bears to get fixed and VERY VERY messy. Brake
fluid is very messy stuff. Working upside down with the wrenches was a
nasty side line to the build.
--------
OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - testing phase 1
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281187#281187
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| Subject: | Re: IO 540 motor oil? |
I spoke to Lycoming's Bart=2C He then spoke to the tech department. He said
that the Cortec VC1-326 could be added to a 20w-50 mineral engine oil in a
1 to 10 ratio. I will be using a syringe to fill the two cylinders that lo
st the oil whan I removed the lower plugs.
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: IO 540 motor oil?
> From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> Date: Tue=2C 12 Jan 2010 11:03:16 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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>
> Per Ricksked if the engine is new you MUST use straight Mineral Oil per L
ycoming's specs until "the oil consumption stabilizes". Get it from your lo
cal FBO=2C Spruce=2C or Chief Aircraft. Be sure to drain all of the preserv
ative oil from the engine first.
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> Q/B - testing phase 1
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While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had me
produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor certificate,regis
tration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance info and signed by th
e FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was flying.Do are expe
rimentals require an approved manual ?
Must they be signed by the FAA?
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Hey Doc,
I was reading the FAR's last night about this just for grits and shins. I
understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a POH. I could not
find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I don't calc
one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the EFIS..that may be a good
question in the future. I do have W & B info on paper .many of them from
flight test but the EFIS is my main way of computing it.Need to make sure I
plug it in on every flight now too huh?
Rick S.
N246RS
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: ramp check
While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had me
produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor
certificate,registration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance info
and signed by the FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was
flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual ?
Must they be signed by the FAA?
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The requirement is for the empty weight paperwork from which
you would do the weight and balance calcs for fuel,
passengers, and baggage, not the calculations for each
flight. The rationale is that you couldn't do the
calculations without a starting point. It would avoid some
hassle if you had the W&B along with a CG envelope in your
owner/operators manual, which you should write.
Linn
Rick wrote:
> Hey Doc,
>
> I was reading the FARs last night about this just for grits and shins.
> I understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a POH. I could
> not find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I
> dont calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the EFIS.that may
> be a good question in the future. I do have W & B info on paper many of
> them from flight test but the EFIS is my main way of computing itNeed
> to make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh?
>
>
>
> Rick S.
>
> N246RS
>
>
>
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> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: ramp check
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>
>
>
> While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had
> me produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor
> certificate,registration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance
> info and signed by the FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I
> was flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual ?
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I don't think there is any requirement for a POH for EAB aircraft.
However, you must have your Operating Limitations that were issued by
the DAR, on board. I don't think that is in the FAR's but should be
in your Operating Limitations.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Rick wrote:
Hey Doc,
I was reading the FAR=92s last night about this just for grits and
shins. I understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a
POH. I could not find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my
AFS -3500, I don=92t calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the
EFIS=85.that may be a good question in the future. I do have W & B info
on paper =85many of them from flight test but the EFIS is my main way
of computing it=85Need to make sure I plug it in on every flight now
too huh?
Rick S.
N246RS
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server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: ramp check
While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He
had me produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor
certificate,registration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance
info and signed by the FAA flight manual-all was in order in the
SR-22 I was flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual ?
Must they be signed by the FAA?
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There's no requirement for a POH. Some inspectors strongly suggest you hav
e
at least a checklist but if someone really wants to go without, there's
nothing stopping them.
You do have to carry the weight and balance data: empty weight, gross
weight, and cg limits. All of that is in the AFS EFIS but I don't know if
counts as official. It should.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:00 PM, David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
> I don't think there is any requirement for a POH for EAB aircraft.
> However, you must have your Operating Limitations that were issued by the
> DAR, on board. I don't think that is in the FAR's but should be in your
> Operating Limitations.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> Flying
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Rick wrote:
>
> Hey Doc,
> I was reading the FAR=92s last night about this just for grits and shins.
I
> understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a POH. I could not
> find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I don=92t c
alc
> one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the EFIS=85.that may be a good
> question in the future. I do have W & B info on paper =85many of them fro
m
> flight test but the EFIS is my main way of computing it=85Need to make su
re I
> plug it in on every flight now too huh?
>
> Rick S.
> N246RS
>
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While it is advisable to carry a POH, it is not legally required for all aircraft.
With the exception of some older airplanes, the type certificate for a certified
airplane usually requires a POH to be carried.
With an experimental airplane, there is obviously no type certificate that would
require a POH. You only have to carry a POH if required by the operating limitations
that were issued with your airworthiness certificate. Of course... a
POH is handy to have either way.
As a side note, we once got a COA to operate a small hand-launched UAV. The FAA
wanted heaps of documentation on board, even though nobody would be in the aircraft
to read it. We ended up putting everything on a memory stick and mounting
it inside the fuselage with velcro!
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David,
You need the operating limitations after the test period?
I swore that the POH requirement didn't exclude experime
ntals but seemed inclusive to all aircraft Now I ha
ve to re read the book...and I don't have to use the
restroom!!
Rick S
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check
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Linn,
So....since all my weights, arms and moments are in the EFIS....I satisfy that
requirement right? Or (surprise) the guvment who is here to hep us needs a sheet
of paper?
Rick
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From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check
The requirement is for the empty weight paperwork from which
you would do the weight and balance calcs for fuel,
passengers, and baggage, not the calculations for each
flight. The rationale is that you couldn't do the
calculations without a starting point. It would avoid some
hassle if you had the W&B along with a CG envelope in your
owner/operators manual, which you should write.
Linn
Rick wrote:
> Hey Doc,
>
> I was reading the FARs last night about this just for grits and shins.
> I understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a POH. I could
> not find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I
> dont calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the EFIS.that may
> be a good question in the future. I do have W & B info on paper many of
> them from flight test but the EFIS is my main way of computing itNeed
> to make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh?
>
>
>
> Rick S.
>
> N246RS
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *pilotdds@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:04 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: ramp check
>
>
>
>
> While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had
> me produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor
> certificate,registration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance
> info and signed by the FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I
> was flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual ?
>
> Must they be signed by the FAA?
>
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That's funny!!! Or maybe sad depending on how you look at it
------Original Message------
From: David Shelton
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Jan 12, 2010 8:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: ramp check
While it is advisable to carry a POH, it is not legally required for all aircraft.
With the exception of some older airplanes, the type certificate for a certified
airplane usually requires a POH to be carried.
With an experimental airplane, there is obviously no type certificate that would
require a POH. You only have to carry a POH if required by the operating limitations
that were issued with your airworthiness certificate. Of course... a
POH is handy to have either way.
As a side note, we once got a COA to operate a small hand-launched UAV. The FAA
wanted heaps of documentation on board, even though nobody would be in the aircraft
to read it. We ended up putting everything on a memory stick and mounting
it inside the fuselage with velcro!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281240#281240
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We're talking about an agency that prevents you from adding
safety equipment to a certified aircraft ... which is why
the experimental category is expanding so rapidly.
I don't know if the EFIS data is acceptable or not. It's
just so much easier to show the guy the paper and avoid any
conflict. If the guy really wants to bust your balls, he'll
find something that you have to respond to and waste a lot
of time on. Remember "we're not happy 'till you're not
happy"?? I've been through the mill once, and I don't want
to do it again.
Linn
ricksked@cox.net wrote:
>
> Linn, So....since all my weights, arms and moments are in
> the EFIS....I satisfy that requirement right? Or
> (surprise) the guvment who is here to hep us needs a
> sheet of paper?
>
> Rick Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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> -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010
> 22:00:10 To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re:
> RV10-List: ramp check
>
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> The requirement is for the empty weight paperwork from
> which you would do the weight and balance calcs for fuel,
> passengers, and baggage, not the calculations for each
> flight. The rationale is that you couldn't do the
> calculations without a starting point. It would avoid
> some hassle if you had the W&B along with a CG envelope
> in your owner/operators manual, which you should write.
> Linn
>
> Rick wrote:
>> Hey Doc,
>>
>> I was reading the FARs last night about this just for
>> grits and shins. I understand you need your pilot cert,
>> medical, W&B and a POH. I could not find anything
>> else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I dont
>> calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the
>> EFIS.that may be a good question in the future. I do
>> have W & B info on paper many of them from flight test
>> but the EFIS is my main way of computing itNeed to
>> make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick S.
>>
>> N246RS
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *pilotdds@aol.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January
>> 12, 2010 6:04 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: ramp check
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by
>> a FAA rep.He had me produce my medical, pilot
>> certificate,flight instructor
>> certificate,registration,airworthiness
>> certificate,weight and balance info and signed by the
>> FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was
>> flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual
>> ?
>>
>> Must they be signed by the FAA?
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Linn's right, one piece of paper to back up what's on the EFIS keeps
everybody happy. I wouldn't even confuse the issue with the EFIS W&B.
And yeah, you're supposed to keep the op limits attached to the AW cert fro
m
now on.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>wr
ote:
>
> We're talking about an agency that prevents you from adding safety
> equipment to a certified aircraft ... which is why the experimental categ
ory
> is expanding so rapidly.
>
> I don't know if the EFIS data is acceptable or not. It's just so much
> easier to show the guy the paper and avoid any conflict. If the guy real
ly
> wants to bust your balls, he'll find something that you have to respond t
o
> and waste a lot of time on. Remember "we're not happy 'till you're not
> happy"?? I've been through the mill once, and I don't want to do it agai
n.
> Linn
>
> ricksked@cox.net wrote:
>
>>
>> Linn, So....since all my weights, arms and moments are in
>> the EFIS....I satisfy that requirement right? Or
>> (surprise) the guvment who is here to hep us needs a
>> sheet of paper?
>>
>> Rick Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters
>> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010
>> 22:00:10 To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re:
>> RV10-List: ramp check
>>
>> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> The requirement is for the empty weight paperwork from
>> which you would do the weight and balance calcs for fuel,
>> passengers, and baggage, not the calculations for each flight. The
>> rationale is that you couldn't do the calculations without a starting po
int.
>> It would avoid
>> some hassle if you had the W&B along with a CG envelope
>> in your owner/operators manual, which you should write. Linn
>>
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Doc,
>>>
>>> I was reading the FAR=92s last night about this just for
>>> grits and shins. I understand you need your pilot cert,
>>> medical, W&B and a POH. I could not find anything
>>>
>>> else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I don=92t
>>> calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the
>>> EFIS=85.that may be a good question in the future. I do
>>> have W & B info on paper =85many of them from flight test
>>> but the EFIS is my main way of computing it=85Need to
>>>
>>> make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick S.
>>>
>>> N246RS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *pilotdds@aol.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January
>>> 12, 2010 6:04 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List:
>>> ramp check
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by
>>> a FAA rep.He had me produce my medical, pilot
>>> certificate,flight instructor certificate,registration,airworthiness
>>>
>>> certificate,weight and balance info and signed by the
>>> FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was
>>> flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual
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>>> ?
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