---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/12/10: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:34 AM - Re: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl (Dan Charrois) 2. 12:35 AM - Re: First Flight (Patrick Pulis) 3. 05:43 AM - Re: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl (Seano) 4. 07:06 AM - Re: First Flight (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 5. 11:00 AM - Re: Brake fluid (AirMike) 6. 11:03 AM - Re: IO 540 motor oil? (AirMike) 7. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: Brake fluid (John Cox) 8. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: IO 540 motor oil? (John Gonzalez) 9. 06:05 PM - ramp check (pilotdds@aol.com) 10. 06:46 PM - Re: ramp check (Rick) 11. 07:01 PM - Re: ramp check (Linn Walters) 12. 07:01 PM - Re: ramp check (David Maib) 13. 08:27 PM - Re: ramp check (Dave Saylor) 14. 08:30 PM - Re: ramp check (David Shelton) 15. 08:32 PM - Re: ramp check (ricksked@cox.net) 16. 08:36 PM - Re: ramp check (ricksked@cox.net) 17. 08:42 PM - Re: Re: ramp check (ricksked@cox.net) 18. 08:42 PM - Re: ramp check (ricksked@cox.net) 19. 08:57 PM - Re: ramp check (Linn Walters) 20. 10:13 PM - Re: ramp check (Dave Saylor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl From: Dan Charrois Thanks everyone for letting me know of your experiences with the James Aircraft cowl. From the sounds of things, I think I'm going to go with the stock Van's cowl. I was hoping there might be some demonstrable performance gain, but I'm not enough of an "appearance" guy for the look to be worth the additional effort, complication, and cost. Keeping things more straightforward can't be a bad thing :-) Dan On 2010-Jan-07, at 10:08 PM, Dan Charrois wrote: > > Hi there. I'm about to order my fuselage and finishing kits for my RV-10 and sorting out components to delete so as to replace/upgrade from stock Van's parts. One big ticket item I've been contemplating is the cowling. I intend on using an IO-540, either a stock Lycoming or from BPE depending on budget at the time. > > Anyway, I've searched through the mailing list and various online forums, but any posts I've found relating to the James Aircraft cowl are fairly dated.. there seems to be some information on people's experiences with the James Aircraft cowls for other RVs, but not much for their RV-10 offering. I know some people are planning on using it, but are any flying? What about the specs on it - it is claimed to be faster, more fuel efficient, and better at cooling... is that measurable, or mostly just hype? I've read that it is a bit more work to fit than the standard Van's cowl - what are people's experiences with that? I'm trying to sort out if it's worth it (to me - everyone has their own criteria) in terms of cost and time, so any experiences that anyone has with it would be greatly appreciated! > > And if anyone has other advice on components they'd upgrade from Van's stock items for the fuselage and finishing kit, I'm all ears.... especially for the more expensive items that can be deleted out of Van's kit. > > Thanks for your help! > > Dan > -- > Syzygy Research & Technology > Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada > Phone: 780-961-2213 > > > > > > -- Syzygy Research & Technology Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada Phone: 780-961-2213 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:02 AM PST US From: Patrick Pulis Subject: Re: RV10-List: First Flight Well done Jay.- Wishing you safe, smooth and clear skies.=0A=0APatrick Pu lis=0AAdelaide, South Australia=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________________ ___=0AFrom: "jfrjr@roadrunner.com" =0ATo: Matronics R V-10 list =0ASent: Tue, 12 January, 2010 12:42:01 =0A=0AAfter four plus years N333GR (#40301) finally took the weight off the wheels.- Like most previously described first fli ghts this too was uneventful.- I was struck by the forward view (I found my self constantly wanting to climb since the "normal" view looked like a d ive) and the beauty of seeing the runway all the way thru the pattern (all previous time in a 172). I was too tumescent to remember anything else.- I do have some issues with the GRT EFIS and EIS but I think they are relate d to my lack of computer skills and the less than clear (at least to me) GR T set-up documents.- If anyone has advice on GRT set-up please let me kno ======================0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________ __________=0ASee what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http:/ /au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:43 AM PST US From: "Seano" Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl It will be interesting to see how the Showplanes cowling will turn out. I went with the stock cowling after hearing all of the horror stories with the SJ cowl. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Charrois" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 with James Aircraft Holy Cowl Thanks everyone for letting me know of your experiences with the James Aircraft cowl. From the sounds of things, I think I'm going to go with the stock Van's cowl. I was hoping there might be some demonstrable performance gain, but I'm not enough of an "appearance" guy for the look to be worth the additional effort, complication, and cost. Keeping things more straightforward can't be a bad thing :-) Dan On 2010-Jan-07, at 10:08 PM, Dan Charrois wrote: > > Hi there. I'm about to order my fuselage and finishing kits for my RV-10 > and sorting out components to delete so as to replace/upgrade from stock > Van's parts. One big ticket item I've been contemplating is the cowling. > I intend on using an IO-540, either a stock Lycoming or from BPE depending > on budget at the time. > > Anyway, I've searched through the mailing list and various online forums, > but any posts I've found relating to the James Aircraft cowl are fairly > dated.. there seems to be some information on people's experiences with > the James Aircraft cowls for other RVs, but not much for their RV-10 > offering. I know some people are planning on using it, but are any > flying? What about the specs on it - it is claimed to be faster, more > fuel efficient, and better at cooling... is that measurable, or mostly > just hype? I've read that it is a bit more work to fit than the standard > Van's cowl - what are people's experiences with that? I'm trying to sort > out if it's worth it (to me - everyone has their own criteria) in terms of > cost and time, so any experiences that anyone has with it would be greatly > appreciated! > > And if anyone has other advice on components they'd upgrade from Van's > stock items for the fuselage and finishing kit, I'm all ears.... > especially for the more expensive items that can be deleted out of Van's > kit. > > Thanks for your help! > > Dan > -- > Syzygy Research & Technology > Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada > Phone: 780-961-2213 > > -- Syzygy Research & Technology Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada Phone: 780-961-2213 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:17 AM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: First Flight Congratulations and Happy Flying! jfrjr@roadrunner.com wrote: > > After four plus years N333GR (#40301) finally took the weight off the wheels. Like most previously described first flights this too was uneventful. I was struck by the forward view (I found my self constantly wanting to climb since the "normal" view looked like a dive) and the beauty of seeing the runway all the way thru the pattern (all previous time in a 172). I was too tumescent to remember anything else. I do have some issues with the GRT EFIS and EIS but I think they are related to my lack of computer skills and the less than clear (at least to me) GRT set-up documents. If anyone has advice on GRT set-up please let me know. Jay Rowe > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:50 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Brake fluid From: "AirMike" All of the replies are helpful but I would also add that you should fill up the brake lines early in the game before you install the panel. Plus test them for proper operation. I had two leaks (the Matco Brakes and at the pedals) that were real bears to get fixed and VERY VERY messy. Brake fluid is very messy stuff. Working upside down with the wrenches was a nasty side line to the build. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - testing phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281187#281187 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:33 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: IO 540 motor oil? From: "AirMike" Per Ricksked if the engine is new you MUST use straight Mineral Oil per Lycoming's specs until "the oil consumption stabilizes". Get it from your local FBO, Spruce, or Chief Aircraft. Be sure to drain all of the preservative oil from the engine first. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - testing phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281189#281189 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:47 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Brake fluid From: "John Cox" I found a great solution from an RV8 builder, while attending the invaluable Airflow Performance Fuel Injector Training School in November. It had a mounted fill tube, AN fitting and two Adel clamps to store the tube when needed. Picture available on individual requests posted Offline. Choices of distribution lines and cylinders makes a big difference in potential leaks. I am an advocate for alternative fluid to H-5606 and use of Bonaco lines. John Cox do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:59 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Brake fluid All of the replies are helpful but I would also add that you should fill up the brake lines early in the game before you install the panel. Plus test them for proper operation. I had two leaks (the Matco Brakes and at the pedals) that were real bears to get fixed and VERY VERY messy. Brake fluid is very messy stuff. Working upside down with the wrenches was a nasty side line to the build. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - testing phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281187#281187 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:26 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: IO 540 motor oil? I spoke to Lycoming's Bart=2C He then spoke to the tech department. He said that the Cortec VC1-326 could be added to a 20w-50 mineral engine oil in a 1 to 10 ratio. I will be using a syringe to fill the two cylinders that lo st the oil whan I removed the lower plugs. > Subject: RV10-List: Re: IO 540 motor oil? > From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net > Date: Tue=2C 12 Jan 2010 11:03:16 -0800 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > Per Ricksked if the engine is new you MUST use straight Mineral Oil per L ycoming's specs until "the oil consumption stabilizes". Get it from your lo cal FBO=2C Spruce=2C or Chief Aircraft. Be sure to drain all of the preserv ative oil from the engine first. > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B - testing phase 1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281189#281189 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:29 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: ramp check From: pilotdds@aol.com While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had me produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor certificate,regis tration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance info and signed by th e FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was flying.Do are expe rimentals require an approved manual ? Must they be signed by the FAA? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:38 PM PST US From: "Rick" Subject: RE: RV10-List: ramp check Hey Doc, I was reading the FAR's last night about this just for grits and shins. I understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a POH. I could not find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I don't calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the EFIS..that may be a good question in the future. I do have W & B info on paper .many of them from flight test but the EFIS is my main way of computing it.Need to make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh? Rick S. N246RS From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:04 PM Subject: RV10-List: ramp check While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had me produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor certificate,registration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance info and signed by the FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual ? Must they be signed by the FAA? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:14 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check The requirement is for the empty weight paperwork from which you would do the weight and balance calcs for fuel, passengers, and baggage, not the calculations for each flight. The rationale is that you couldn't do the calculations without a starting point. It would avoid some hassle if you had the W&B along with a CG envelope in your owner/operators manual, which you should write. Linn Rick wrote: > Hey Doc, > > I was reading the FARs last night about this just for grits and shins. > I understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a POH. I could > not find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I > dont calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the EFIS.that may > be a good question in the future. I do have W & B info on paper many of > them from flight test but the EFIS is my main way of computing itNeed > to make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh? > > > > Rick S. > > N246RS > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *pilotdds@aol.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:04 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: ramp check > > > > > While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had > me produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor > certificate,registration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance > info and signed by the FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I > was flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual ? > > Must they be signed by the FAA? > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:16 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check I don't think there is any requirement for a POH for EAB aircraft. However, you must have your Operating Limitations that were issued by the DAR, on board. I don't think that is in the FAR's but should be in your Operating Limitations. David Maib 40559 Flying On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Rick wrote: Hey Doc, I was reading the FAR=92s last night about this just for grits and shins. I understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a POH. I could not find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I don=92t calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the EFIS=85.that may be a good question in the future. I do have W & B info on paper =85many of them from flight test but the EFIS is my main way of computing it=85Need to make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh? Rick S. N246RS From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:04 PM Subject: RV10-List: ramp check While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had me produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor certificate,registration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance info and signed by the FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual ? Must they be signed by the FAA? http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:06 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check There's no requirement for a POH. Some inspectors strongly suggest you hav e at least a checklist but if someone really wants to go without, there's nothing stopping them. You do have to carry the weight and balance data: empty weight, gross weight, and cg limits. All of that is in the AFS EFIS but I don't know if counts as official. It should. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:00 PM, David Maib wrote: > I don't think there is any requirement for a POH for EAB aircraft. > However, you must have your Operating Limitations that were issued by the > DAR, on board. I don't think that is in the FAR's but should be in your > Operating Limitations. > > David Maib > 40559 > Flying > > > On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Rick wrote: > > Hey Doc, > I was reading the FAR=92s last night about this just for grits and shins. I > understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a POH. I could not > find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I don=92t c alc > one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the EFIS=85.that may be a good > question in the future. I do have W & B info on paper =85many of them fro m > flight test but the EFIS is my main way of computing it=85Need to make su re I > plug it in on every flight now too huh? > > Rick S. > N246RS > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of *pilotdds@aol.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:04 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: ramp check > > > While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had m e > produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor > certificate,registration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance inf o > and signed by the FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was > flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual ? > Must they be signed by the FAA? > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List > blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics. com/contribution > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:54 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: ramp check From: "David Shelton" While it is advisable to carry a POH, it is not legally required for all aircraft. With the exception of some older airplanes, the type certificate for a certified airplane usually requires a POH to be carried. With an experimental airplane, there is obviously no type certificate that would require a POH. You only have to carry a POH if required by the operating limitations that were issued with your airworthiness certificate. Of course... a POH is handy to have either way. As a side note, we once got a COA to operate a small hand-launched UAV. The FAA wanted heaps of documentation on board, even though nobody would be in the aircraft to read it. We ended up putting everything on a memory stick and mounting it inside the fuselage with velcro! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281240#281240 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check From: ricksked@cox.net David, You need the operating limitations after the test period? I swore that the POH requirement didn't exclude experime ntals but seemed inclusive to all aircraft Now I ha ve to re read the book...and I don't have to use the restroom!! Rick S Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check From: ricksked@cox.net Linn, So....since all my weights, arms and moments are in the EFIS....I satisfy that requirement right? Or (surprise) the guvment who is here to hep us needs a sheet of paper? Rick Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check The requirement is for the empty weight paperwork from which you would do the weight and balance calcs for fuel, passengers, and baggage, not the calculations for each flight. The rationale is that you couldn't do the calculations without a starting point. It would avoid some hassle if you had the W&B along with a CG envelope in your owner/operators manual, which you should write. Linn Rick wrote: > Hey Doc, > > I was reading the FARs last night about this just for grits and shins. > I understand you need your pilot cert, medical, W&B and a POH. I could > not find anything else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I > dont calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the EFIS.that may > be a good question in the future. I do have W & B info on paper many of > them from flight test but the EFIS is my main way of computing itNeed > to make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh? > > > > Rick S. > > N246RS > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *pilotdds@aol.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:04 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: ramp check > > > > > While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by a FAA rep.He had > me produce my medical, pilot certificate,flight instructor > certificate,registration,airworthiness certificate,weight and balance > info and signed by the FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I > was flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual ? > > Must they be signed by the FAA? > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: ramp check From: ricksked@cox.net That's funny!!! Or maybe sad depending on how you look at it ------Original Message------ From: David Shelton Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Jan 12, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: ramp check While it is advisable to carry a POH, it is not legally required for all aircraft. With the exception of some older airplanes, the type certificate for a certified airplane usually requires a POH to be carried. With an experimental airplane, there is obviously no type certificate that would require a POH. You only have to carry a POH if required by the operating limitations that were issued with your airworthiness certificate. Of course... a POH is handy to have either way. As a side note, we once got a COA to operate a small hand-launched UAV. The FAA wanted heaps of documentation on board, even though nobody would be in the aircraft to read it. We ended up putting everything on a memory stick and mounting it inside the fuselage with velcro! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281240#281240 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check From: ricksked@cox.net R29vZCBpbmZvLi4uDQpMb29rcyBsaWtlIEknbGwgYmUgbWFraW5nIHVwIGFuZCBlbnZlbG9wZSB3 aXRoIGFsbCB0aGF0IGluZm9ybWF0aW9uLi4uSSAubmVlZCB0byBkcm9wIGEgZmV3IG1vcmUgcG91 bmRzIHNvIGFuIDggWCAxMSBjb3ZlcnMgbXkgYmVoaW5kIQ0KU2VudCB2aWEgQmxhY2tCZXJyeSBi eSBBVCZUDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBEYXZlIFNheWxvciA8 ZGF2ZS5zYXlsb3IuYWlyY3JhZnRlcnNAZ21haWwuY29tPg0KRGF0ZTogVHVlLCAxMiBKYW4gMjAx MCAyMDoyNToxNCANClRvOiA8cnYxMC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTog UlYxMC1MaXN0OiByYW1wIGNoZWNrDQoNClRoZXJlJ3Mgbm8gcmVxdWlyZW1lbnQgZm9yIGEgUE9I LiAgU29tZSBpbnNwZWN0b3JzIHN0cm9uZ2x5IHN1Z2dlc3QgeW91IGhhdmUNCmF0IGxlYXN0IGEg Y2hlY2tsaXN0IGJ1dCBpZiBzb21lb25lIHJlYWxseSB3YW50cyB0byBnbyB3aXRob3V0LCB0aGVy ZSdzDQpub3RoaW5nIHN0b3BwaW5nIHRoZW0uDQoNCllvdSBkbyBoYXZlIHRvIGNhcnJ5IHRoZSB3 ZWlnaHQgYW5kIGJhbGFuY2UgZGF0YTogIGVtcHR5IHdlaWdodCwgZ3Jvc3MNCndlaWdodCwgYW5k IGNnIGxpbWl0cy4gIEFsbCBvZiB0aGF0IGlzIGluIHRoZSBBRlMgRUZJUyBidXQgSSBkb24ndCBr bm93IGlmDQpjb3VudHMgYXMgb2ZmaWNpYWwuICBJdCBzaG91bGQuDQoNCkRhdmUgU2F5bG9yDQpB aXJDcmFmdGVycyBMTEMNCjE0MCBBdmlhdGlvbiBXYXkNCldhdHNvbnZpbGxlLCBDQSA5NTA3Ng0K ODMxLTcyMi05MTQxIFNob3ANCjgzMS03NTAtMDI4NCBDZWxsDQoNCg0KT24gVHVlLCBKYW4gMTIs IDIwMTAgYXQgNzowMCBQTSwgRGF2aWQgTWFpYiA8ZG1haWJAbWFjLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCj4g IEkgZG9uJ3QgdGhpbmsgdGhlcmUgaXMgYW55IHJlcXVpcmVtZW50IGZvciBhIFBPSCBmb3IgRUFC IGFpcmNyYWZ0Lg0KPiBIb3dldmVyLCB5b3UgbXVzdCBoYXZlIHlvdXIgT3BlcmF0aW5nIExpbWl0 YXRpb25zIHRoYXQgd2VyZSBpc3N1ZWQgYnkgdGhlDQo+IERBUiwgb24gYm9hcmQuIEkgZG9uJ3Qg dGhpbmsgdGhhdCBpcyBpbiB0aGUgRkFSJ3MgYnV0IHNob3VsZCBiZSBpbiB5b3VyDQo+IE9wZXJh dGluZyBMaW1pdGF0aW9ucy4NCj4NCj4gRGF2aWQgTWFpYg0KPiA0MDU1OQ0KPiBGbHlpbmcNCj4N Cj4NCj4NCj4NCj4gT24gSmFuIDEyLCAyMDEwLCBhdCA5OjI0IFBNLCBSaWNrIHdyb3RlOg0KPg0K PiBIZXkgRG9jLA0KPiBJIHdhcyByZWFkaW5nIHRoZSBGQVKScyBsYXN0IG5pZ2h0IGFib3V0IHRo aXMganVzdCBmb3IgZ3JpdHMgYW5kIHNoaW5zLiBJDQo+IHVuZGVyc3RhbmQgeW91IG5lZWQgeW91 ciBwaWxvdCBjZXJ0LCBtZWRpY2FsLCBXJkIgYW5kIGEgUE9ILiAgSSBjb3VsZCBub3QNCj4gZmlu ZCBhbnl0aGluZyBlbHNlLiBNeSBXZWlnaHQgYW5kIEJhbGFuY2UgaXMgb24gbXkgQUZTIC0zNTAw LCBJIGRvbpJ0IGNhbGMNCj4gb25lIG9uIHBhcGVyLCBqdXN0IHBsdWcgaW4gdGhlIG51bWJlcnMg b24gdGhlIEVGSVOFLnRoYXQgbWF5IGJlIGEgZ29vZA0KPiBxdWVzdGlvbiBpbiB0aGUgZnV0dXJl LiBJIGRvIGhhdmUgVyAmIEIgaW5mbyBvbiBwYXBlciCFbWFueSBvZiB0aGVtIGZyb20NCj4gZmxp Z2h0IHRlc3QgYnV0IHRoZSBFRklTIGlzIG15IG1haW4gd2F5IG9mIGNvbXB1dGluZyBpdIVOZWVk IHRvIG1ha2Ugc3VyZSBJDQo+IHBsdWcgaXQgaW4gb24gZXZlcnkgZmxpZ2h0IG5vdyB0b28gaHVo Pw0KPg0KPiBSaWNrIFMuDQo+IE4yNDZSUw0KPg0KPiAqRnJvbToqIG93bmVyLXJ2MTAtbGlzdC1z ZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSBbDQo+IG1haWx0bzpvd25lci1ydjEwLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1h dHJvbmljcy5jb208b3duZXItcnYxMC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KPiBdICpP biBCZWhhbGYgT2YgKnBpbG90ZGRzQGFvbC5jb20NCj4gKlNlbnQ6KiBUdWVzZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5 IDEyLCAyMDEwIDY6MDQgUE0NCj4gKlRvOiogcnYxMC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCj4gKlN1 YmplY3Q6KiBSVjEwLUxpc3Q6IHJhbXAgY2hlY2sNCj4NCj4NCj4gV2hpbGUgdGF4aWluZyB1cCBm b3IgZnVlbCBhdCBEVlQgSSB3YXMgcmFtcCBjaGVja2VkIGJ5IGEgRkFBIHJlcC5IZSBoYWQgbWUN Cj4gcHJvZHVjZSBteSBtZWRpY2FsLCBwaWxvdCBjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSxmbGlnaHQgaW5zdHJ1Y3Rv cg0KPiBjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSxyZWdpc3RyYXRpb24sYWlyd29ydGhpbmVzcyBjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSx3 ZWlnaHQgYW5kIGJhbGFuY2UgaW5mbw0KPiBhbmQgc2lnbmVkIGJ5IHRoZSBGQUEgZmxpZ2h0IG1h bnVhbC1hbGwgd2FzIGluIG9yZGVyIGluIHRoZSBTUi0yMiBJIHdhcw0KPiBmbHlpbmcuRG8gYXJl IGV4cGVyaW1lbnRhbHMgcmVxdWlyZSBhbiBhcHByb3ZlZCBtYW51YWwgPw0KPiBNdXN0IHRoZXkg YmUgc2lnbmVkIGJ5IHRoZSBGQUE/DQo+DQo+ICogKg0KPg0KPiAqICoNCj4NCj4gKioNCj4NCj4g KioNCj4NCj4gKioNCj4NCj4gKioNCj4NCj4gKioNCj4NCj4gKioNCj4NCj4gKmh0dHA6Ly93d3cu bWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/UlYxMC1MaXN0Kg0KPg0KPiAqKg0KPg0KPiAqKg0KPg0K PiAqKg0KPg0KPiAqaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tKg0KPg0KPiAqKg0KPg0KPiAq Kg0KPg0KPiAqKg0KPg0KPiAqKg0KPg0KPiAqaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRy aWJ1dGlvbioNCj4NCj4gKioNCj4NCj4gKiAqDQo+DQo+ICoNCj4NCj4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiBi bHVlOyB0ZXh0LWRlY29yYXRpb246IHVuZGVybGluZTsgIj5odHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5j b20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1JWMTAtTGlzdA0KPiBibHVlOyB0ZXh0LWRlY29yYXRpb246IHVuZGVybGlu ZTsgIj5odHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCj4gc3R5bGU9ImNvbG9yOiBibHVlOyB0 ZXh0LWRlY29yYXRpb246IHVuZGVybGluZTsgIj5odHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29u dHJpYnV0aW9uDQo+ICoNCj4NCj4NCj4NCj4NCg0K ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:42 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check We're talking about an agency that prevents you from adding safety equipment to a certified aircraft ... which is why the experimental category is expanding so rapidly. I don't know if the EFIS data is acceptable or not. It's just so much easier to show the guy the paper and avoid any conflict. If the guy really wants to bust your balls, he'll find something that you have to respond to and waste a lot of time on. Remember "we're not happy 'till you're not happy"?? I've been through the mill once, and I don't want to do it again. Linn ricksked@cox.net wrote: > > Linn, So....since all my weights, arms and moments are in > the EFIS....I satisfy that requirement right? Or > (surprise) the guvment who is here to hep us needs a > sheet of paper? > > Rick Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 > 22:00:10 To: Subject: Re: > RV10-List: ramp check > > > > The requirement is for the empty weight paperwork from > which you would do the weight and balance calcs for fuel, > passengers, and baggage, not the calculations for each > flight. The rationale is that you couldn't do the > calculations without a starting point. It would avoid > some hassle if you had the W&B along with a CG envelope > in your owner/operators manual, which you should write. > Linn > > Rick wrote: >> Hey Doc, >> >> I was reading the FARs last night about this just for >> grits and shins. I understand you need your pilot cert, >> medical, W&B and a POH. I could not find anything >> else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I dont >> calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the >> EFIS.that may be a good question in the future. I do >> have W & B info on paper many of them from flight test >> but the EFIS is my main way of computing itNeed to >> make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh? >> >> >> >> Rick S. >> >> N246RS >> >> >> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On >> Behalf Of *pilotdds@aol.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January >> 12, 2010 6:04 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* RV10-List: ramp check >> >> >> >> >> While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by >> a FAA rep.He had me produce my medical, pilot >> certificate,flight instructor >> certificate,registration,airworthiness >> certificate,weight and balance info and signed by the >> FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was >> flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual >> ? >> >> Must they be signed by the FAA? >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> ** >> >> * * >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:27 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: ramp check Linn's right, one piece of paper to back up what's on the EFIS keeps everybody happy. I wouldn't even confuse the issue with the EFIS W&B. And yeah, you're supposed to keep the op limits attached to the AW cert fro m now on. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Linn Walters wr ote: > > We're talking about an agency that prevents you from adding safety > equipment to a certified aircraft ... which is why the experimental categ ory > is expanding so rapidly. > > I don't know if the EFIS data is acceptable or not. It's just so much > easier to show the guy the paper and avoid any conflict. If the guy real ly > wants to bust your balls, he'll find something that you have to respond t o > and waste a lot of time on. Remember "we're not happy 'till you're not > happy"?? I've been through the mill once, and I don't want to do it agai n. > Linn > > ricksked@cox.net wrote: > >> >> Linn, So....since all my weights, arms and moments are in >> the EFIS....I satisfy that requirement right? Or >> (surprise) the guvment who is here to hep us needs a >> sheet of paper? >> >> Rick Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters >> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 >> 22:00:10 To: Subject: Re: >> RV10-List: ramp check >> >> >> >> The requirement is for the empty weight paperwork from >> which you would do the weight and balance calcs for fuel, >> passengers, and baggage, not the calculations for each flight. The >> rationale is that you couldn't do the calculations without a starting po int. >> It would avoid >> some hassle if you had the W&B along with a CG envelope >> in your owner/operators manual, which you should write. Linn >> >> Rick wrote: >> >>> Hey Doc, >>> >>> I was reading the FAR=92s last night about this just for >>> grits and shins. I understand you need your pilot cert, >>> medical, W&B and a POH. I could not find anything >>> >>> else. My Weight and Balance is on my AFS -3500, I don=92t >>> calc one on paper, just plug in the numbers on the >>> EFIS=85.that may be a good question in the future. I do >>> have W & B info on paper =85many of them from flight test >>> but the EFIS is my main way of computing it=85Need to >>> >>> make sure I plug it in on every flight now too huh? >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick S. >>> >>> N246RS >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *pilotdds@aol.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January >>> 12, 2010 6:04 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RV10-List: >>> ramp check >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> While taxiing up for fuel at DVT I was ramp checked by >>> a FAA rep.He had me produce my medical, pilot >>> certificate,flight instructor certificate,registration,airworthiness >>> >>> certificate,weight and balance info and signed by the >>> FAA flight manual-all was in order in the SR-22 I was >>> flying.Do are experimentals require an approved manual >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Must they be signed by the FAA? >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *http://forums.matronics.com* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.