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1. 05:34 AM - Re: Wing skin question (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
2. 06:32 AM - Re: doors & insulation (johngoodman)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Scott Schmidt)
4. 09:11 AM - Left exhaust hanger (Jae Chang)
5. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (John Cox)
6. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Robin Marks)
7. 09:33 AM - Re: Left exhaust hanger (Robin Marks)
8. 09:47 AM - Re: Wing skin question (Jim Berry)
9. 10:00 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Seano)
10. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Deems Davis)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Robin Marks)
12. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (gary)
13. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Rick)
14. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Deems Davis)
15. 11:45 AM - Re: Left exhaust hanger (Jae Chang)
16. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Geoff Combs)
17. 11:57 AM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Seano)
18. 12:28 PM - Re: Left exhaust hanger (Don McDonald)
19. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
20. 12:57 PM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
21. 01:58 PM - Re: Left exhaust hanger (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
22. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Danny Riggs)
23. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: doors & insulation (Geoff Combs)
24. 07:55 PM - Wing Plans Page 23-5 Step 3 (Kelly McMullen)
25. 08:07 PM - Re: Wing Plans Page 23-5 Step 3 (Seano)
26. 08:14 PM - Re: Wing Plans Page 23-5 Step 3 (John Kirkland)
27. 08:45 PM - Re: Re: Wing Plans Page 23-5 Step 3 (Kelly McMullen)
28. 09:22 PM - Re: Left exhaust hanger (John Cox)
29. 09:26 PM - Re: Re: 10 SB (Ron McGann)
30. 09:59 PM - Re: Left exhaust hanger (Scott Schmidt)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing skin question |
Rick and Sandra Lark wrote:
> Bill
>
> Get yourself a 5" random orbital sander to do the feathering of that
> edge. I have a lot of experience using them for woodworking projects
> and they are an excellent sander, easy to control and won't give you a
> nasty surprise. I wouldn't go near a belt sander with aluminum for
> anything....Rick
That sounds right. I'll have to get one of those. I'm guessing it
would work well on some of the fiberglass finishing (?).
I used a sanding disk on my die grinder for the skin. It worked but was
clearly the wrong tool for the job.
Bill Watson
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
> I also have found that the majority of my door noise comes from the hinges on
the top. If I put my hands over them it is even more quiet.
Scott,
Since you brought it up, is there any draft from the hinges?
John
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is a low pressure
over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that point and you
can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
> I also have found that the majority of my door noise comes from the hinges on
the top. If I put my hands over them it is even more quiet.
Scott,
Since you brought it up, is there any draft from the hinges?
John
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| Subject: | Left exhaust hanger |
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/A9mT9HXyj7yKkkz3NrP4kQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCI7088GZlYCc2AE&feat=directlink
I am looking to get some ideas of doing the left exhaust hangar mount.
Does anyone have any photos of what they did? It seems a bit rube
goldberg as there is a lot of interference points: the air cooler, the
heat scat, tubes, etc. Any ideas would be great!
thanks
Jae
40533
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is emanating
from. If the fasteners are the culprit, wet sealing with proseal (or
VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a difference.
It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many airframes.
John Cox
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is a low
pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that
point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
John,
I have the Overhead console with a cut out around the door lift
bracket and I definitely have a draft coming from the pressurization of
the OH console through the bracket cutouts and through the cutout for
the center windshield post. I plan to add some silicone to these areas
once I get either motivated or cold enough from the draft.
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:29 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
<johngoodman@earthlink.net>
> I also have found that the majority of my door noise comes from the
hinges on the top. If I put my hands over them it is even more quiet.
Scott,
Since you brought it up, is there any draft from the hinges?
John
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01/17/10 19:35:00
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| Subject: | Left exhaust hanger |
Same as the right for us.
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Left exhaust hanger
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/A9mT9HXyj7yKkkz3NrP4kQ?authkey=Gv1
s
RgCI7088GZlYCc2AE&feat=directlink
I am looking to get some ideas of doing the left exhaust hangar mount.
Does anyone have any photos of what they did? It seems a bit rube
goldberg as there is a lot of interference points: the air cooler, the
heat scat, tubes, etc. Any ideas would be great!
thanks
Jae
40533
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01/18/10 07:35:00
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| Subject: | Re: Wing skin question |
Bill,
A dual action sander works even better than a random orbit sander for finishing
fiberglass. A cheapie from Harbor Freight will do the job, or you can get a high
dollar dual action form your local auto body supplier.
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
I wonder if deems and robin and anyone else that uses
He mcmaster carr seals have this issue. Maybe the seal on the cabin
and the filler pieces over the hinges help this.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:13, "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is emanating
> from. If the fasteners are the culprit, wet sealing with proseal
> (or VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a
> difference. It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many
> airframes.
>
>
> John Cox
>
> do not archive
>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 7:49 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>
>
> No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is a
> low pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
> I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that
> point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
>
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> From: johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
If you cover the hinges on the door :
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/slides/DSC06158.html
And use the McMaster Carr seal.
I promise you you will get NOTHING in around the doors. Not Air, Water,
Nitrogen, Helium, Carbon Monoxide, Carbon Dioxide, or Sub-atomic
particles :-D
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
Seano wrote:
> I wonder if deems and robin and anyone else that uses
> He mcmaster carr seals have this issue. Maybe the seal on the cabin
> and the filler pieces over the hinges help this.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:13, "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com
> <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> wrote:
>
>> An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is emanating
>> from. If the fasteners are the culprit, wet sealing with proseal (or
>> VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a
>> difference. It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many
>> airframes.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>> Schmidt
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:49 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>
>>
>>
>> No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is a
>> low pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
>> I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that
>> point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Schmidt
>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com <mailto:scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
How about hyperbole, will it leak in?
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
If you cover the hinges on the door :
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/s
lides/DSC06158.html
And use the McMaster Carr seal.
I promise you you will get NOTHING in around the doors. Not Air, Water,
Nitrogen, Helium, Carbon Monoxide, Carbon Dioxide, or Sub-atomic
particles :-D
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
Seano wrote:
> I wonder if deems and robin and anyone else that uses
> He mcmaster carr seals have this issue. Maybe the seal on the cabin
> and the filler pieces over the hinges help this.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:13, "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com
> <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> wrote:
>
>> An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is emanating
>> from. If the fasteners are the culprit, wet sealing with proseal (or
>> VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a
>> difference. It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many
>> airframes.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>> Schmidt
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:49 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>
>>
>>
>> No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is a
>> low pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
>> I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that
>> point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Schmidt
>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com <mailto:scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net
>> <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>
>>
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No, but a laid back bowl may...
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
How about hyperbole, will it leak in?
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
If you cover the hinges on the door :
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/s
lides/DSC06158.html
And use the McMaster Carr seal.
I promise you you will get NOTHING in around the doors. Not Air, Water,
Nitrogen, Helium, Carbon Monoxide, Carbon Dioxide, or Sub-atomic
particles :-D
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
Seano wrote:
> I wonder if deems and robin and anyone else that uses
> He mcmaster carr seals have this issue. Maybe the seal on the cabin
> and the filler pieces over the hinges help this.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:13, "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com
> <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> wrote:
>
>> An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is emanating
>> from. If the fasteners are the culprit, wet sealing with proseal (or
>> VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a
>> difference. It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many
>> airframes.
>>
>>
>>
>> John Cox
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>> Schmidt
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:49 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>
>>
>>
>> No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is a
>> low pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
>> I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that
>> point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Schmidt
>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com <mailto:scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net
>> <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>
>>
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>> * *
>> **
>> **
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
Possibly :-)
Deems
Rick wrote:
>
> No, but a laid back bowl may...
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:39 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>
>
> How about hyperbole, will it leak in?
>
> Gary Specketer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:14 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>
>
> If you cover the hinges on the door :
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/s
> lides/DSC06158.html
> And use the McMaster Carr seal.
> I promise you you will get NOTHING in around the doors. Not Air, Water,
> Nitrogen, Helium, Carbon Monoxide, Carbon Dioxide, or Sub-atomic
> particles :-D
>
> Deems Davis
> N519PJ
> www.deemsrv10.com
>
> Seano wrote:
>
>> I wonder if deems and robin and anyone else that uses
>> He mcmaster carr seals have this issue. Maybe the seal on the cabin
>> and the filler pieces over the hinges help this.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:13, "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com
>> <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is emanating
>>> from. If the fasteners are the culprit, wet sealing with proseal (or
>>> VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a
>>> difference. It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many
>>> airframes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Cox
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>>> Schmidt
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:49 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is a
>>> low pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
>>> I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that
>>> point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Schmidt
>>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com <mailto:scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net
>>> <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Sent:* Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>>
>>>
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>
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> bution
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| Subject: | Re: Left exhaust hanger |
Thanks Robin.. That firewall forward is quite heaviliy modified from the
stock setup, though. However, maybe i can steal a couple ideas from your
setup.
Jae
40533
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Robin Marks wrote:
> Same as the right for us.
>
> Robin
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
I used the McMaster Carr seals and they work great as Deems said. I have no
leaks around anything I sealed off my overhead completely around the strut
mount as well. I made covers over the hinge area on the doors so my door
seals all the way around. At first I thought the extra time I spent putting
the
McMaster carr seals on was not worth the effort but now Flying I am very
glad I did it. My cabin is very quite and I have no air noise or air leaks.
I would do it again.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
Possibly :-)
Deems
Rick wrote:
>
> No, but a laid back bowl may...
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:39 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>
>
> How about hyperbole, will it leak in?
>
> Gary Specketer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:14 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>
>
> If you cover the hinges on the door :
>
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/s
> lides/DSC06158.html
> And use the McMaster Carr seal.
> I promise you you will get NOTHING in around the doors. Not Air, Water,
> Nitrogen, Helium, Carbon Monoxide, Carbon Dioxide, or Sub-atomic
> particles :-D
>
> Deems Davis
> N519PJ
> www.deemsrv10.com
>
> Seano wrote:
>
>> I wonder if deems and robin and anyone else that uses
>> He mcmaster carr seals have this issue. Maybe the seal on the cabin
>> and the filler pieces over the hinges help this.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:13, "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com
>> <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is emanating
>>> from. If the fasteners are the culprit, wet sealing with proseal (or
>>> VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a
>>> difference. It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many
>>> airframes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Cox
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>>> Schmidt
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:49 AM
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is a
>>> low pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
>>> I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that
>>> point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Schmidt
>>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com <mailto:scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ----
>>>
>>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net
>>> <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> *Sent:* Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>>
>>>
>>> * *
>>> * *
>>> **
>>> **
>>> **http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List**
>>> *
>>> ****
>>> *
>>> **
>>> *
>>> **
>>> **http://forums.matronics.com**
>>> *
>>> ****
>>> *
>>> **
>>> *
>>> **
>>> **
>>> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>>> **
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>>> **
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>>> ****
>>> **
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matroni
> cs.com
> /Navigator?RV10-List
>
>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>>
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> contri
> bution
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
That's good because I am reading this with my mask, goggles and
earmuffs sanding on the cabin door gutters making them fit the seal.
Not the funnest thing in the world.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 18, 2010, at 12:50, "Geoff Combs"
<g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> wrote:
> >
>
> I used the McMaster Carr seals and they work great as Deems said. I
> have no
> leaks around anything I sealed off my overhead completely around the
> strut
> mount as well. I made covers over the hinge area on the doors so my
> door
> seals all the way around. At first I thought the extra time I spent
> putting
> the
> McMaster carr seals on was not worth the effort but now Flying I am
> very
> glad I did it. My cabin is very quite and I have no air noise or air
> leaks.
> I would do it again.
>
> Geoff
>
> Geoff Combs
> President
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> 614-834-5227p
> 614-834-5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>
>
>
> Possibly :-)
>
> Deems
>
> Rick wrote:
>>
>> No, but a laid back bowl may...
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:39 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>
>>
>> How about hyperbole, will it leak in?
>>
>> Gary Specketer
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
>> Davis
>> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:14 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>
>>
>> If you cover the hinges on the door :
>>
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancies/s
>> lides/DSC06158.html
>> And use the McMaster Carr seal.
>> I promise you you will get NOTHING in around the doors. Not Air,
>> Water,
>> Nitrogen, Helium, Carbon Monoxide, Carbon Dioxide, or Sub-atomic
>> particles :-D
>>
>> Deems Davis
>> N519PJ
>> www.deemsrv10.com
>>
>> Seano wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if deems and robin and anyone else that uses
>>> He mcmaster carr seals have this issue. Maybe the seal on the cabin
>>> and the filler pieces over the hinges help this.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:13, "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com
>>> <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is emanating
>>>> from. If the fasteners are the culprit, wet sealing with proseal
>>>> (or
>>>> VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a
>>>> difference. It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many
>>>> airframes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Cox
>>>>
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott
>>>> Schmidt
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:49 AM
>>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there
>>>> is a
>>>> low pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
>>>> I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that
>>>> point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott Schmidt
>>>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com <mailto:scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net
>>>> <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
>>>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
>>>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>> * *
>>>> **
>>>> **
>>>> **http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List**
>>>> *
>>>> ****
>>>> *
>>>> **
>>>> *
>>>> **
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>>>> *
>>>> ****
>>>> *
>>>> **
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>> www.matroni
>> cs.com
>> /Navigator?RV10-List
>>
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>>>>
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>> www.matronics.com/
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>> bution
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Left exhaust hanger |
I am assuming you are using the stock Vetterman....- that being said, I t
ossed the original brackets aside, and built my own out of stainless.- (I
know several of you out there, just said, "of course he did").... It seeme
d to me that to be properly positioned the bracket needed to be bent, and t
he original bracket had lot's of mounting holes in it, which would have mad
e it even weaker.- The attached pics should help.- Just zoom in on the
first one to the actual bracket.- I made a couple of extra if you're inte
rested.-
100+ hours and no problems whatsoever.-
Don McDonald
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com> wrote:
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Left exhaust hanger
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/A9mT9HXyj7yKkkz3NrP4kQ?authkey=Gv1sR
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I am looking to get some ideas of doing the left exhaust hangar mount. Does
anyone have any photos of what they did? It seems a bit rube goldberg as t
here is a lot of interference points: the air cooler, the heat scat, tubes,
etc. Any ideas would be great!
thanks
Jae
40533
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
Seano wrote:
>
> That's good because I am reading this with my mask, goggles and
> earmuffs sanding on the cabin door gutters making them fit the seal.
> Not the funnest thing in the world.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
I'm thinking that's good to hear too. I was going for the simple foam
seals from McMaster which, after a test fit, I think would work easily
and well. Clearly the simplest solution.
But because I want to cover the door with all the nice interior finish
stuff from Flightline, I need to either stick with the Vans stock seal
on the door (kind of ok if they work) or the fancy McMaster seals on the
canopy which will clearly give the best looking finish. And if they
work well too, well, there's another pile of FG work waiting for me.
Any tips on fitting them on the gutter is appreciated.
Bill "bouncing around doing 100 things" Watson.
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
Bill, I wouldn't be surprised if I spent 50 hours of the 110 or so I spent on
the doors tearing down the door gutters and rebuilding them back at the correct
thickness and angles. There is no question that once fitted, the seals on
the gutters give the best fit and finish but are also a whole lot more work!
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
Seano wrote:
>
> That's good because I am reading this with my mask, goggles and
> earmuffs sanding on the cabin door gutters making them fit the seal.
> Not the funnest thing in the world.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
I'm thinking that's good to hear too. I was going for the simple foam
seals from McMaster which, after a test fit, I think would work easily
and well. Clearly the simplest solution.
But because I want to cover the door with all the nice interior finish
stuff from Flightline, I need to either stick with the Vans stock seal
on the door (kind of ok if they work) or the fancy McMaster seals on the
canopy which will clearly give the best looking finish. And if they
work well too, well, there's another pile of FG work waiting for me.
Any tips on fitting them on the gutter is appreciated.
Bill "bouncing around doing 100 things" Watson.
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| Subject: | Re: Left exhaust hanger |
> I am looking to get some ideas of doing the left exhaust hangar mount.
> Does anyone have any photos of what they did? It seems a bit rube
> goldberg as there is a lot of interference points: the air cooler, the
> heat scat, tubes, etc. Any ideas would be great!
>
> thanks
> Jae
> 40533
>
I did it per the (scant) plans with the Vetterman exhaust. I'm not a
metal work/rigging type guy but it worked much better than it looked. I
was able to position everything exactly as needed. Worked quite well
for this builder.
Bill "2 cents" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
Geoff=2C can you post the model number for the M.C. seals you are using? T
hanks=2C Dan
> From: g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
> Date: Mon=2C 18 Jan 2010 14:50:37 -0500
>
.com>
>
> I used the McMaster Carr seals and they work great as Deems said. I have
no
> leaks around anything I sealed off my overhead completely around the stru
t
> mount as well. I made covers over the hinge area on the doors so my door
> seals all the way around. At first I thought the extra time I spent putti
ng
> the
> McMaster carr seals on was not worth the effort but now Flying I am very
> glad I did it. My cabin is very quite and I have no air noise or air leak
s.
> I would do it again.
>
> Geoff
>
> Geoff Combs
> President
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> Canal Winchester=2C Ohio 43110
> 614-834-5227p
> 614-834-5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Monday=2C January 18=2C 2010 2:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>
>
>
> Possibly :-)
>
> Deems
>
> Rick wrote:
> >
> > No=2C but a laid back bowl may...
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
> > Sent: Monday=2C January 18=2C 2010 10:39 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
> >
> >
> > How about hyperbole=2C will it leak in?
> >
> > Gary Specketer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> > Sent: Monday=2C January 18=2C 2010 1:14 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
> >
> >
> > If you cover the hinges on the door :
> >
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancie
s/s
> > lides/DSC06158.html
> > And use the McMaster Carr seal.
> > I promise you you will get NOTHING in around the doors. Not Air=2C Wate
r=2C
> > Nitrogen=2C Helium=2C Carbon Monoxide=2C Carbon Dioxide=2C or Sub-atomi
c
> > particles :-D
> >
> > Deems Davis
> > N519PJ
> > www.deemsrv10.com
> >
> > Seano wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder if deems and robin and anyone else that uses
> >> He mcmaster carr seals have this issue. Maybe the seal on the cabin
> >> and the filler pieces over the hinges help this.
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 18=2C 2010=2C at 10:13=2C "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com
> >> <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is emanating
> >>> from. If the fasteners are the culprit=2C wet sealing with proseal (
or
> >>> VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a
> >>> difference. It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many
> >>> airframes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John Cox
> >>>
> >>> do not archive
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott
> >>> Schmidt
> >>> *Sent:* Monday=2C January 18=2C 2010 7:49 AM
> >>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No=2C I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is
a
> >>> low pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
> >>> I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at that
> >>> point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Scott Schmidt
> >>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com <mailto:scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
> >>>
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| Subject: | Re: doors & insulation |
This is what I used Danny. I used the 1/4" edge. I built all my edges up
with fiberglass to put some strength back in the door frame area and it
made
the
edge trim fit much better. It was a ton of work as Michael said but good
results.
11 1120A411
<http://www.mcmaster.com/itm/find.asp?searchstring=1120A411&sesnextrep=
85915
1940559946&tab=find&FastTrack=False&WRCntxt=OrdHist> 50 Ft.
Edge-grip
Rubber Seal, Bulb Opposite Grabber, 1/4" Edge, 3/8" Bulb Width
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
Geoff, can you post the model number for the M.C. seals you are using?
Thanks, Dan
> From: g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:50:37 -0500
>
<g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
>
> I used the McMaster Carr seals and they work great as Deems said. I
have
no
> leaks around anything I sealed off my overhead completely around the
strut
> mount as well. I made covers over the hinge area on the doors so my
door
> seals all the way around. At first I thought the extra time I spent
putting
> the
> McMaster carr seals on was not worth the effort but now Flying I am
very
> glad I did it. My cabin is very quite and I have no air noise or air
leaks.
> I would do it again.
>
> Geoff
>
> Geoff Combs
> President
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> 614-834-5227p
> 614-834-5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
>
>
>
> Possibly :-)
>
> Deems
>
> Rick wrote:
> >
> > No, but a laid back bowl may...
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
> > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:39 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
> >
> >
> > How about hyperbole, will it leak in?
> >
> > Gary Specketer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
Davis
> > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:14 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
> >
> >
> > If you cover the hinges on the door :
> >
>
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2045%20Cabin%20Doors%20and%20Transparancie
s/s
> > lides/DSC06158.html
> > And use the McMaster Carr seal.
> > I promise you you will get NOTHING in around the doors. Not Air,
Water,
> > Nitrogen, Helium, Carbon Monoxide, Carbon Dioxide, or Sub-atomic
> > particles :-D
> >
> > Deems Davis
> > N519PJ
> > www.deemsrv10.com
> >
> > Seano wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder if deems and robin and anyone else that uses
> >> He mcmaster carr seals have this issue. Maybe the seal on the cabin
> >> and the filler pieces over the hinges help this.
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:13, "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com
> >> <mailto:johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> An Ultrasonic sniffer can find exactly where the sound is
emanating
> >>> from. If the fasteners are the culprit, wet sealing with proseal
(or
> >>> VANS flamemaster) and re-installing the fasteners can make a
> >>> difference. It is encouraging to know the 10 is quieter than many
> >>> airframes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John Cox
> >>>
> >>> do not archive
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> >>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott
> >>> Schmidt
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 7:49 AM
> >>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No, I don't feel any draft on the top hinges. I would be there is
a
> >>> low pressure over the top of the fuselage but I don't feel air.
> >>> I do have a door seal there but it is not as tightly sealed at
that
> >>> point and you can hear that very high pitch sound of air.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Scott Schmidt
> >>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com <mailto:scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> ----
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> >>> *From:* johngoodman <johngoodman@earthlink.net
> >>> <mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net>>
> >>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Mon, January 18, 2010 7:29:06 AM
> >>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: doors & insulation
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| Subject: | Wing Plans Page 23-5 Step 3 |
Calls for inserting WD-1014C into the WD-1014 torque tube assemblies.
No where can I find dimension for WD-1014C, nor where the plans call
for fabricating same. My parts list shows the 4130 tubing needed, says
the one length is to make the 2 WD-1014C tubes needed. What am I
missing?
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Plans Page 23-5 Step 3 |
If I remember right you make two of them out of the steel tube sent in the
kit. Mine were not labelled and it took me time to measure all the parts to
make sure I was cutting the right tube into two parts.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 8:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Wing Plans Page 23-5 Step 3
>
> Calls for inserting WD-1014C into the WD-1014 torque tube assemblies.
> No where can I find dimension for WD-1014C, nor where the plans call
> for fabricating same. My parts list shows the 4130 tubing needed, says
> the one length is to make the 2 WD-1014C tubes needed. What am I
> missing?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Plans Page 23-5 Step 3 |
I'm at the same spot, cut it exactly in half.
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RV-10 #40333
N540XP (reserved)
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Plans Page 23-5 Step 3 |
I have the correct tube identified, but don't see where it says to cut
in half or any other dimension.
John Kirkland wrote:
>
> I'm at the same spot, cut it exactly in half.
>
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> RV-10 #40333
> N540XP (reserved)
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| Subject: | Left exhaust hanger |
Using Vans metal tubing with rubber hose stock and dual clamps, I found
that with time the clamps will allow the hose to slide down from the
initial position. The exhaust stack made contact with the fiberglass
lower cowl.
A beading tool allowed a quick ridge to be formed on the metal tube
stock to capture the hose and clamp. Looks like it will be a longer
term fix.
Some of you might find the similar change over time.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Left exhaust hanger
I am assuming you are using the stock Vetterman.... that being said, I
tossed the original brackets aside, and built my own out of stainless.
(I know several of you out there, just said, "of course he did").... It
seemed to me that to be properly positioned the bracket needed to be
bent, and the original bracket had lot's of mounting holes in it, which
would have made it even weaker. The attached pics should help. Just
zoom in on the first one to the actual bracket. I made a couple of
extra if you're interested.
100+ hours and no problems whatsoever.
Don McDonald
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com> wrote:
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Left exhaust hanger
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:08 AM
<jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com
<http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jc-matronics_rv10@jline.c
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http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/A9mT9HXyj7yKkkz3NrP4kQ?authkey=Gv1
s
RgCI7088GZlYCc2AE&feat=directlink
I am looking to get some ideas of doing the left exhaust hangar
mount. Does anyone have any photos of what they did? It seems a bit rube
goldberg as there is a lot of interference points: the air cooler, the
heat scat, tubes, etc. Any-->
http://www.mat====================
<http://forums.matronics.com/>
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I just received my kit of parts for the Door latch SB courtesy of John Cox -
thanks John!!
The latch mod is certainly a very agricultural piece of design. I am with
Scott and the growing chorus to write to Vans and recommend a review of the
'mandatory' nature of this SB.
I'll watch with interest for the more elegant solutions I'm sure the more
enterprising builders will propose.
And I'll continue flying in the meantime.
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM, flying in Oz
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, 17 January 2010 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 10 SB
I suggest that all RV-10 builders and flyers with serial numbers write Van's
at info@vansaircraft.com
I have done the same and have asked Van's to retract the Service Bulletin
and offer the latch as an additional and optional latch just as the
indicator lights were offered.
I want to summarize what I have heard here.
Issues with the door will arise if:
-Poor door construction causing a bow during flight (Construction error)
(Fix: Re-build door or add Van's center latch)
-Pins are not inserted far enough into the aluminum frame (Construction
error) (Fix: Re-build pins to extend into aluminum frame)
-Door handle interlock is not engaged (Construction error and/or pilot
error) (Fix: Ensure handles are locked before flight, possible rebuild of
interlock)
-Door pins were locked outside of cabin (Pilot error)(Fix: Add door check to
checklist)
I am fine with Van's offering this as an optional kit but when they say on
the service bulletin that it is mandatory, I have a problem.
This is 100% different from the previous SB where we added stiffeners to the
vertical stabilizer and empenage.
I want everyone to fly safe and keep our insurance as low as possible, I
don't see this as the solution though.
We need to take personal responsibility to build to the highest quality and
use our checklists thoroughly.
Any system that is put into place (such as our checklists) is never fixed
with more protection devices, system only work and are improved through
training and discipline.
This solution is like adding a fixed gear to the bottom of a retractable
landing gear aircraft. It will be there just in case you don't put the gear
down.
The warnings lights and center latch should be optional as 100% safe flight
can be accomplished with the stock system. I do feel there are may pilots
flying safely without even the lights because of their training and
checklist discipline. The experimental category will always have
construction issues and must accept personal responsibility for that and not
burden the whole fleet with the quality shortcomings of the few.
I want everyone to fly safe, have fun and explore this world with their
planes and I appreciate Van's offering a system that solves a problem that a
few of RV-10's have with the doors bowing as a total replacement of the door
is very expensive.
Again, please write Van's and ask for the removal of this SB and make it
optional.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net>
Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 11:24:03 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 10 SB
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| Subject: | Re: Left exhaust hanger |
John, I roughed mine up with very coarse sand paper and it has not slipped in 650
hours.
-Scott
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On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:17 PM, "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
Using Vans metal tubing with rubber hose stock and dual clamps, I found that with
time the clamps will allow the hose to slide down from the initial position.
The exhaust stack made contact with the fiberglass lower cowl.
A beading tool allowed a quick ridge to be formed on the metal tube stock to capture
the hose and clamp. Looks like it will be a longer term fix.
Some of you might find the similar change over time.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Left exhaust hanger
I am assuming you are using the stock Vetterman.... that being said, I tossed
the original brackets aside, and built my own out of stainless. (I know several
of you out there, just said, "of course he did").... It seemed to me that to
be properly positioned the bracket needed to be bent, and the original bracket
had lot's of mounting holes in it, which would have made it even weaker. The
attached pics should help. Just zoom in on the first one to the actual bracket.
I made a couple of extra if you're interested.
100+ hours and no problems whatsoever.
Don McDonald
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com> wrote:
From: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10@jline.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Left exhaust hanger
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