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1. 08:08 AM - Wing Wiring and Conduit (Kent Ogden)
2. 08:44 AM - Re: From Van's on the door SB (John Cox)
3. 09:00 AM - Door Departure in flight pics (Albert Gardner)
4. 09:04 AM - Re: Wing Wiring and Conduit (John Trollinger)
5. 09:23 AM - Re: Wing Wiring and Conduit (Jeff Carpenter)
6. 10:13 AM - Re: Wing Wiring and Conduit (Fred Williams, M.D.)
7. 02:16 PM - For fixer-uppers (woxofswa)
8. 02:52 PM - door SB (DLM)
9. 03:10 PM - Re: door SB (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Wing Wiring and Conduit |
Hi all,
I am working on my wing ribs, and realize I have to start thinking about
what all will need wiring in the wing. Without knowing exactly what will be
out there, I want to leave as much room for wiring as reasonable and was
wondering what other people have done at this point. I see the conduit that
Vans sells, and it mentions that it has been used for wing wiring. Has
anyone done this? Is this the blue ribbed conduit shown in the recent
conduit abrasion thread? The plans call for enlarging the wiring hole to
5/8" (0.625") for the grommet, but the conduit is 0.810" according to Van's.
Is this too much of an enlargement of the hole? The plans say that
enlarging to 5/8" will create a notch in the angle on the inboard rib, I
don't want that any larger than necessary.
Also, if installing AOA, do the lines get run through the wiring run? I
would like to finalize at least the pitot line. Looks like the bottom skins
shouldn't be put on until all of these details are worked out.
Thanks . . .
Kent Ogden
#40710 Wings
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| Subject: | From Van's on the door SB |
Excellent, clear, concise and appropriate response from Gus Funnell -
VANS. It is a recommendation.
SB compliance on Experimental build is "not mandatory". just clearly
recommended by the manufacturer of the parts and FAA kit approved
product. YMMV and a number of builders have exceeded the functionality
and safety with their own fabrications before issuance of SB 10-1-4.
That makes OBAM aircraft such a wonderful pursuit.
Thanks Deems, this is a lot more than Ken Scott's "Just build the damn
thing".
John Cox
do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: From Van's on the door SB
So we now have it from the horses mouth.
This is CYA !
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
On 1/19/2010 7:22 PM, Miller John wrote:
FYI. I was hoping for a better understanding on this issue.......
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Subject: Service Bulletin
Thanks for your email regarding the recent RV-10 SB.
The point of any SB is to benefit both RV builders/pilots AND Van's
Aircraft with increased safety and reduced costs. Most of the complaints
we get about SBs list only the builder's personal concerns about
difficulty/cost of compliance, or their belief that there is a "better
way".
We always consider those issues, but we also have to balance them with
broader concerns; to maintain Van's Aircraft as a viable company, and to
protect it against future liability. There will always be potential for
some conflict between these two points of view, which we hope that our
customers will understand.
As with all Service Bulletins in the certified and experimental world,
it is not mandatory that owner/operators comply with them. It is up to
the owner to comply or not, at their sole discretion. By issuing this
service bulletin, Van's is recommending that it be complied with.
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| Subject: | Door Departure in flight pics |
Does anyone have the pics of the RV-10 that had some previous damage from a
hard landing and then later a door departure in flight with damage to the
horizontal stabilizer? I thought I had saved those pics but can't find them
now.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Wiring and Conduit |
I installed vans conduit, enlarged the holes to 3/4" and pulled it through
the ribs. I have 5 wire pull stings running through it now so I na pull the
wires when needed.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Kent Ogden <OgdenK@upstate.edu> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am working on my wing ribs, and realize I have to start thinking about
> what all will need wiring in the wing. Without knowing exactly what will be
> out there, I want to leave as much room for wiring as reasonable and was
> wondering what other people have done at this point. I see the conduit that
> Vans sells, and it mentions that it has been used for wing wiring. Has
> anyone done this? Is this the blue ribbed conduit shown in the recent
> conduit abrasion thread? The plans call for enlarging the wiring hole to
> 5/8" (0.625") for the grommet, but the conduit is 0.810" according to
> Van's. Is this too much of an enlargement of the hole? The plans say that
> enlarging to 5/8" will create a notch in the angle on the inboard rib, I
> don't want that any larger than necessary.
>
> Also, if installing AOA, do the lines get run through the wiring run? I
> would like to finalize at least the pitot line. Looks like the bottom skins
> shouldn't be put on until all of these details are worked out.
>
> Thanks . . .
>
> Kent Ogden
> #40710 Wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Wiring and Conduit |
The Vans conduit will fit nicely in a 3/4" hole, which, as I recall,
is the hole size Vans does not want you to exceed.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Kent Ogden wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am working on my wing ribs, and realize I have to start thinking
> about what all will need wiring in the wing. Without knowing
> exactly what will be out there, I want to leave as much room for
> wiring as reasonable and was wondering what other people have done
> at this point. I see the conduit that Vans sells, and it mentions
> that it has been used for wing wiring. Has anyone done this? Is
> this the blue ribbed conduit shown in the recent conduit abrasion
> thread? The plans call for enlarging the wiring hole to
> 5/8" (0.625") for the grommet, but the conduit is 0.810" according
> to Van's. Is this too much of an enlargement of the hole? The
> plans say that enlarging to 5/8" will create a notch in the angle on
> the inboard rib, I don't want that any larger than necessary.
>
> Also, if installing AOA, do the lines get run through the wiring
> run? I would like to finalize at least the pitot line. Looks like
> the bottom skins shouldn't be put on until all of these details are
> worked out.
>
> Thanks . . .
>
> Kent Ogden
> #40710 Wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Wiring and Conduit |
Kent Ogden wrote:
Kent;
Few things to think about;
AOA. I ran my plastic tubing lines thru the same conduit. Plastic one
worked well. As mentioned, Make sure you have an extra pull string.
Other things to think about:
Wingtip lighting (position /strobe/led/whelen)
Will your pitot tube have a heating element for ice? Will need power
and indicator lights.
VOR /marker beacon antennae? Some people put theirs in the wingtip.
Temp probe? I put mine in an accessible area inboard of the innermost
inspection plate.
Do you want a landing light (like duckworks) or go with the wing tip
landing lights?
Start getting a spread sheet of what you want in the wings before you
rivet up the lower skin.
Dr Fred
515FW
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| Subject: | For fixer-uppers |
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282786#282786
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Just got the kit today and will not install. I lengthened the pins and may
put the aluminum blocks to replace the nylon guides.I feel the pins twice
before each departure. Once after doors are shut at the hangar and once
before takeoff. I always shut both doors.
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Maybe it would send a message if those of us that don't have the
finish kit tell them to delete the SB parts from our order and credit
us.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, DLM <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
> Just got the kit today and will not install. I lengthened the pins and may
> put the aluminum blocks to replace the nylon guides.I feel the pins twice
> before each departure. Once after doors are shut at the hangar and once
> before takeoff. I always shut both doors.
>
>
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