---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/21/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:08 AM - Wing Wiring and Conduit (Kent Ogden) 2. 08:44 AM - Re: From Van's on the door SB (John Cox) 3. 09:00 AM - Door Departure in flight pics (Albert Gardner) 4. 09:04 AM - Re: Wing Wiring and Conduit (John Trollinger) 5. 09:23 AM - Re: Wing Wiring and Conduit (Jeff Carpenter) 6. 10:13 AM - Re: Wing Wiring and Conduit (Fred Williams, M.D.) 7. 02:16 PM - For fixer-uppers (woxofswa) 8. 02:52 PM - door SB (DLM) 9. 03:10 PM - Re: door SB (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:27 AM PST US From: "Kent Ogden" Subject: RV10-List: Wing Wiring and Conduit Hi all, I am working on my wing ribs, and realize I have to start thinking about what all will need wiring in the wing. Without knowing exactly what will be out there, I want to leave as much room for wiring as reasonable and was wondering what other people have done at this point. I see the conduit that Vans sells, and it mentions that it has been used for wing wiring. Has anyone done this? Is this the blue ribbed conduit shown in the recent conduit abrasion thread? The plans call for enlarging the wiring hole to 5/8" (0.625") for the grommet, but the conduit is 0.810" according to Van's. Is this too much of an enlargement of the hole? The plans say that enlarging to 5/8" will create a notch in the angle on the inboard rib, I don't want that any larger than necessary. Also, if installing AOA, do the lines get run through the wiring run? I would like to finalize at least the pitot line. Looks like the bottom skins shouldn't be put on until all of these details are worked out. Thanks . . . Kent Ogden #40710 Wings ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: From Van's on the door SB From: "John Cox" Excellent, clear, concise and appropriate response from Gus Funnell - VANS. It is a recommendation. SB compliance on Experimental build is "not mandatory". just clearly recommended by the manufacturer of the parts and FAA kit approved product. YMMV and a number of builders have exceeded the functionality and safety with their own fabrications before issuance of SB 10-1-4. That makes OBAM aircraft such a wonderful pursuit. Thanks Deems, this is a lot more than Ken Scott's "Just build the damn thing". John Cox do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:19 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: From Van's on the door SB So we now have it from the horses mouth. This is CYA ! Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com On 1/19/2010 7:22 PM, Miller John wrote: FYI. I was hoping for a better understanding on this issue....... Begin forwarded message: From: "Gus Funnell" ddddsp@juno.com, gengrumpy@aol.com, dav1111@suddenlink.net, bob@thelefflers.com, robertbrunk@mac.com, bob.condrey@baesystems.com, scottmschmidt@yahoo.com Subject: Service Bulletin Thanks for your email regarding the recent RV-10 SB. The point of any SB is to benefit both RV builders/pilots AND Van's Aircraft with increased safety and reduced costs. Most of the complaints we get about SBs list only the builder's personal concerns about difficulty/cost of compliance, or their belief that there is a "better way". We always consider those issues, but we also have to balance them with broader concerns; to maintain Van's Aircraft as a viable company, and to protect it against future liability. There will always be potential for some conflict between these two points of view, which we hope that our customers will understand. As with all Service Bulletins in the certified and experimental world, it is not mandatory that owner/operators comply with them. It is up to the owner to comply or not, at their sole discretion. By issuing this service bulletin, Van's is recommending that it be complied with. Fly Safe, Vans = href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s .com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c o ntribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:57 AM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RV10-List: Door Departure in flight pics Does anyone have the pics of the RV-10 that had some previous damage from a hard landing and then later a door departure in flight with damage to the horizontal stabilizer? I thought I had saved those pics but can't find them now. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Wiring and Conduit From: John Trollinger I installed vans conduit, enlarged the holes to 3/4" and pulled it through the ribs. I have 5 wire pull stings running through it now so I na pull the wires when needed. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Kent Ogden wrote: > Hi all, > > I am working on my wing ribs, and realize I have to start thinking about > what all will need wiring in the wing. Without knowing exactly what will be > out there, I want to leave as much room for wiring as reasonable and was > wondering what other people have done at this point. I see the conduit that > Vans sells, and it mentions that it has been used for wing wiring. Has > anyone done this? Is this the blue ribbed conduit shown in the recent > conduit abrasion thread? The plans call for enlarging the wiring hole to > 5/8" (0.625") for the grommet, but the conduit is 0.810" according to > Van's. Is this too much of an enlargement of the hole? The plans say that > enlarging to 5/8" will create a notch in the angle on the inboard rib, I > don't want that any larger than necessary. > > Also, if installing AOA, do the lines get run through the wiring run? I > would like to finalize at least the pitot line. Looks like the bottom skins > shouldn't be put on until all of these details are worked out. > > Thanks . . . > > Kent Ogden > #40710 Wings > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:16 AM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Wiring and Conduit The Vans conduit will fit nicely in a 3/4" hole, which, as I recall, is the hole size Vans does not want you to exceed. Jeff Carpenter 40304 On Jan 21, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Kent Ogden wrote: > Hi all, > > I am working on my wing ribs, and realize I have to start thinking > about what all will need wiring in the wing. Without knowing > exactly what will be out there, I want to leave as much room for > wiring as reasonable and was wondering what other people have done > at this point. I see the conduit that Vans sells, and it mentions > that it has been used for wing wiring. Has anyone done this? Is > this the blue ribbed conduit shown in the recent conduit abrasion > thread? The plans call for enlarging the wiring hole to > 5/8" (0.625") for the grommet, but the conduit is 0.810" according > to Van's. Is this too much of an enlargement of the hole? The > plans say that enlarging to 5/8" will create a notch in the angle on > the inboard rib, I don't want that any larger than necessary. > > Also, if installing AOA, do the lines get run through the wiring > run? I would like to finalize at least the pitot line. Looks like > the bottom skins shouldn't be put on until all of these details are > worked out. > > Thanks . . . > > Kent Ogden > #40710 Wings > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:11 AM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Wiring and Conduit Kent Ogden wrote: Kent; Few things to think about; AOA. I ran my plastic tubing lines thru the same conduit. Plastic one worked well. As mentioned, Make sure you have an extra pull string. Other things to think about: Wingtip lighting (position /strobe/led/whelen) Will your pitot tube have a heating element for ice? Will need power and indicator lights. VOR /marker beacon antennae? Some people put theirs in the wingtip. Temp probe? I put mine in an accessible area inboard of the innermost inspection plate. Do you want a landing light (like duckworks) or go with the wing tip landing lights? Start getting a spread sheet of what you want in the wings before you rivet up the lower skin. Dr Fred 515FW ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:21 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: For fixer-uppers From: "woxofswa" http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/MiracleA320WreckageToBeAuctionedOff_201873-1.html#gallery -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=282786#282786 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:57 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RV10-List: door SB Just got the kit today and will not install. I lengthened the pins and may put the aluminum blocks to replace the nylon guides.I feel the pins twice before each departure. Once after doors are shut at the hangar and once before takeoff. I always shut both doors. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: door SB From: Kelly McMullen Maybe it would send a message if those of us that don't have the finish kit tell them to delete the SB parts from our order and credit us. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, DLM wrote: > Just got the kit today and will not install. I lengthened the pins and may > put the aluminum blocks to replace the nylon guides.I feel the pins twice > before each departure. Once after doors are shut at the hangar and once > before takeoff. I always shut both doors. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.