---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/30/10: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:35 AM - Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve (johngoodman) 2. 07:33 AM - aft wing spar (Chris Hukill) 3. 07:36 AM - Re: Bogi-Bar (Jae Chang) 4. 07:43 AM - Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve (rvdave) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: trimming cabin cover door openings (Roxanne and Mike Lefever) 6. 07:56 AM - Re: Bogi-Bar (Marcus Cooper) 7. 08:01 AM - Re: aft wing spar (ricksked@cox.net) 8. 08:06 AM - Re: Door Flex (orchidman) 9. 08:10 AM - Re: countersunk too deep (JHearnsberger) 10. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve (Tim Olson) 11. 08:44 AM - Re: 3d Model (Lenny Iszak) 12. 08:53 AM - Spider foam, door flex issue. (John Gonzalez) 13. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: 3d Model (Jack Phillips) 14. 09:05 AM - Alternate static--was Door Flex (Dave Saylor) 15. 09:18 AM - Re: Alternate static--was Door Flex (Tim Olson) 16. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: Door Flex (incoming air exhaust) (Marcus Cooper) 17. 12:52 PM - Re: Fuel Valve (Perry, Phil) 18. 01:47 PM - Re: Fuel Valve (Bob Leffler) 19. 02:54 PM - Re: Fuel Valve (Michael Kraus) 20. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Flap motor rod travel (Chris) 21. 04:36 PM - Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve (rvdave) 22. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve (Tim Olson) 23. 05:33 PM - Re: Alternate static--was Door Flex (orchidman) 24. 06:20 PM - Baffle paint? (John Gonzalez) 25. 06:55 PM - Re: Baffle paint? (Linn Walters) 26. 07:01 PM - Three Blade MT Propeller (Roxanne and Mike Lefever) 27. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Alternate static--was Door Flex (Tim Olson) 28. 07:50 PM - Re: Three Blade MT Propeller (ricksked@cox.net) 29. 08:28 PM - Re: Baffle paint? (Carl Froehlich) 30. 09:05 PM - Re: Three Blade MT Propeller (Michael Kraus) 31. 11:04 PM - Re: Three Blade MT Propeller (Don McDonald) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve From: "johngoodman" I mentally struggled with that for a long time. Then I bought an Andair, placed it a little more forward, used Bonaco steel braided hoses, and there was plenty of room. John -------- #40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284032#284032 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:00 AM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: aft wing spar I have tried and tried to find mention in the plans for the procedure for countersinking or dimpling the aft spar flange for the lower skin. I called Vans and was told to do it using standard procedures which was to dimple, then countersink to get the required amount of depth to accept the skins. I was also told that the plans don't specify that procedure for the QB, because back in the plans where the other skins are attached in the Philippines, that procedure is specified, and I am supposed to review all that previous work, step by step, as I'm the manufacturer, not some QB'er. I humbly agreed, and went back AGAIN to review the wing plans step by step, and still couldn't find it (it's probably there, I just couldn't find it). Anyway, I don't remember ever using that procedure, dimple then countersink, on this project or the RV8 I built. Reviewing chapter 5, we're told to dimple up to a certain thickness, then beyond that , countersink, just as I remember. Screw it, I'll drill out a QB installed rivet on the inboard skin, and see what they did. Viola, it's countersunk, just as what I'd expect. So that's what I plan on doing to the rest of this .060 spar flange, countersink it. Anyone have any info on this, that I can't find. Chris Hukill Frustrated, but at least not covered in fiberglass dust. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:30 AM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bogi-Bar http://picasaweb.google.com/jchang10/Sec48GearLegAndWheelFairings?feat=directlink There is a picture of mine and a little mod that was necessary for me to do. While on the ground, I couldn't hold everything in alignment to fit the bolt thru, otherwise. Jae 40533 ricksked@cox.net wrote: > =EF=BB Lol....triangle with a flat spot on the 90 degree > side....its plenty strong to tow the plane....everyone knows the > trapazoid is used in the big top to swing > on!!!i0fr((nbxm-&j',rr&*''k{w/tml ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:57 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve From: "rvdave" I can fit the scat tubing under the valve and between the fuel lines, I've got to believe others have done that with earlier kits, could or would there be a condition for vapor lock, is that the issue? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284041#284041 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:58 AM PST US From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: trimming cabin cover door openings Got it. Thanks John > Subject: RV10-List: Re: trimming cabin cover door openings > From: johngoodman@earthlink.net > Date: Fri=2C 29 Jan 2010 18:44:58 -0800 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > > > > I was thinking it might be an option to build up=EF=BDthe door thres hold rather than the door................I have some conern that=EF=BDbu ilding up=EF=BDthe flange on the door might be easy to chip or break off =EF=BDlater...........it sounds like=EF=BDothers are having luck buil ding up the door flange so I=EF=BDguess I will go that route for now.... .....ugh > > > I think we were always talking about the canopy flange=2C not the door. > > -------- > #40572 QB. Engine on=2C wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon. > N711JG reserved > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284005#284005 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:53 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bogi-Bar Jae, great idea to keep things together, I usually spend way too much time with those parts. Looks like something for the to-do list on the next annual. One lesson learned with the tow bars. While flying without wheel pants I let a lineboy move the airplane. He put the tow bar through one of the aft holes in the fork successfully shearing the valve stem as he moved the airplane. I don't let anyone touch it anymore, even with the wheel pants on. Marcus 40286 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Bogi-Bar http://picasaweb.google.com/jchang10/Sec48GearLegAndWheelFairings?feat=directlink There is a picture of mine and a little mod that was necessary for me to do. While on the ground, I couldn't hold everything in alignment to fit the bolt thru, otherwise. Jae 40533 ricksked@cox.net wrote: > =EF=BB Lol....triangle with a flat spot on the 90 degree > side....its plenty strong to tow the plane....everyone knows the > trapazoid is used in the big top to swing > on!!!i0fr((nbxm &j',rr&*''k{w/tml ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: aft wing spar From: ricksked@cox.net YOU'RE not covered in YOUR fiberglass dust....I'm covered i n YOUR fiberglass dust!!! :) Rick Sked N246RS Do not archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: aft wing spar This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:23 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Flex From: "orchidman" msausen wrote: > Hmm, makes me wonder if it would make sense to put an "exhaust" vent in the rear bulkhead to allow the pressure to equalize like they do with cars. > Michael > -- I have also wondered about just how in-coming air is exhausted. I can think of many routes for the air to get out but now at least on my AC, I now know they are not as effective as 2 of Steins big vents. And I guess I should note that I didn't open up the 4 little ones in the overhead console. It was cold enough just opening up the 2 big front ones for a couple minutes. This brings up another point. For those who have alternate static ports inside the cabin, have you tested them and under what conditions? Looks like you will need to note the conditions and results with your tests. Is all of this opening a can of worms or what [Mr. Green] -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284046#284046 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: countersunk too deep From: "JHearnsberger" thank you Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284047#284047 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:13 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve Yes, keep that line away from fuel lines. That SCAT tube gets hot enough that the seat frame around it gets hot enough to burn your skin if you touch it. If you use rear seat heat, you will definitely have hot metal in the area. I have insulated my SCAT tubing further to prevent that heat from getting out anywhere but the exit vent as much as possible. There is a LOT of heat there. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD rvdave wrote: > > I can fit the scat tubing under the valve and between the fuel lines, I've got to believe others have done that with earlier kits, could or would there be a condition for vapor lock, is that the issue? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284041#284041 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:37 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: 3d Model From: "Lenny Iszak" BTW, would someone be able to run a CFD plot on a 3D model of the RV-10? It would be very interesting to see why the right side door is getting sucked out more than the pilot side, and also would give a more definite position of side louvers on the cowling. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284053#284053 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:18 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RV10-List: Spider foam, door flex issue. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 3d Model Does the right side indeed get sucked out more than the left? If so, it is almost certainly due to the corkscrew nature of the slipstream off the propeller. Jack Phillips # 40610 Wings (Fuel Tanks) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: 3d Model BTW, would someone be able to run a CFD plot on a 3D model of the RV-10? It would be very interesting to see why the right side door is getting sucked out more than the pilot side, and also would give a more definite position of side louvers on the cowling. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284053#284053 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:21 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: RV10-List: Alternate static--was Door Flex I have a story (confession) about alternate static. I have a "toggle valve" for the alternate static port that just opens the static system to cabin pressure. I think that's pretty standard. At some point after test flying, I had the panel apart and managed to put the toggle in upside down, so "normal" was open to the cabin and "alternate" was the regular static system. The result was that everything worked as advertised--airspeed, altimeter, encoder, all seemed normal enough that I didn't have any reason to suspect an error. But, when we opened an air vent while using altitude hold, we got about a 50' climb, then level off and everything normal again. Reverse when closing the vent. The A/P was seeing higher pressure, equating it to lower altitude, and correcting. I was convinced that the vent was upsetting airflow over the elevator trim. Sometimes I'm really surprised at the lengths my brain will go to in order to make the pieces of a puzzle fit... Anyway, the actual problem finally dawned on me, and I turned the toggle 180* to match the normal/alternate labels, and all was well. Duh. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:44 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Alternate static--was Door Flex I have a toggle too. It's interesting to have the AP engaged and flip the toggle open-closed-open-closed, and watch the plane and altimeter/airspeed/vsi. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Dave Saylor wrote: > I have a story (confession) about alternate static. > > I have a "toggle valve" for the alternate static port that just opens > the static system to cabin pressure. I think that's pretty standard. > > At some point after test flying, I had the panel apart and managed to > put the toggle in upside down, so "normal" was open to the cabin and > "alternate" was the regular static system. > > The result was that everything worked as advertised--airspeed, > altimeter, encoder, all seemed normal enough that I didn't have any > reason to suspect an error. But, when we opened an air vent while using > altitude hold, we got about a 50' climb, then level off and everything > normal again. Reverse when closing the vent. The A/P was seeing higher > pressure, equating it to lower altitude, and correcting. > > I was convinced that the vent was upsetting airflow over the elevator > trim. Sometimes I'm really surprised at the lengths my brain will go to > in order to make the pieces of a puzzle fit... > > Anyway, the actual problem finally dawned on me, and I turned the toggle > 180* to match the normal/alternate labels, and all was well. Duh. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:28 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Door Flex (incoming air exhaust) I had a thought some time ago about the hot tunnels folks were experiencing and where I could exhaust some air to help. There's a small opening in the front of the tunnel cover and I figured I would use that as an inlet and then I drilled a couple holes in the bottom skin at the back of the tunnel thinking cockpit air pressurized from the cooling vents would flow through the tunnel and help a little. Long explanation to get to the point that I didn't notice any difference. No clue what sort of outside pressure exists at my exit holes and that could be part of the issue. On a previous airplane (Q-2) the fuselage was pretty tight so there were a lot of discussions about the need to create exit holes in the fuselage so cooling air could actually flow. Seems like there is plenty of air coming in my cooling vents so I don't think it's much of an issue in the RV-10 (or perhaps I just built a really leaky airplane). Marcus 40286 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Flex msausen wrote: > Hmm, makes me wonder if it would make sense to put an "exhaust" vent in the rear bulkhead to allow the pressure to equalize like they do with cars. > Michael > -- I have also wondered about just how in-coming air is exhausted. I can think of many routes for the air to get out but now at least on my AC, I now know they are not as effective as 2 of Steins big vents. And I guess I should note that I didn't open up the 4 little ones in the overhead console. It was cold enough just opening up the 2 big front ones for a couple minutes. This brings up another point. For those who have alternate static ports inside the cabin, have you tested them and under what conditions? Looks like you will need to note the conditions and results with your tests. Is all of this opening a can of worms or what [Mr. Green] -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284046#284046 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:24 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Valve From: "Perry, Phil" To piggy back on Kelly's question... I know the part number that most people are using for the Andair valve is fs20x7... Question: What extension length is required for the tunnel? And can you trim down the extension if it's too long? I'm planning on Geoff's panel an console; if that matters. Finally, what fittings seem to be the standard? Van's fittings are 1/4" female on the valve. I'm guessing that's what everyone is using too? Thanks, Phil -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:02 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Is the Andair still considered the best setup? I understand that Van's supplied valve is significantly improved from original. Cost vs better function? Anyone flying with Van's improved valve? Just trying to asses how many "improvements" I want to do vs time and cost to do them. Kelly 40866 QB fuse ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:09 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Valve I used about 3" of the extension. I have the newer valve location which is lower than the original location. I ordered the FS20x7-T, which have male AN-6 fittings. The new elbow fittings make installing the fuel valve much easier. Also, don't cross the fuel lines per the plans. The andair valve doesn't require that. You can see some of my photos here: http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rleffler&project=260&cate gory=0&log-897&row=7 and http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rleffler&project=260&cate gory=0&log=89805&row=51 . I'm using Geoff's center arm rest console, so there was some additional creative engineering that had to be done. If you are installing this as well, I just finished the install manual and posted them to Geoff's site. It can be found here: http://aerosportproducts.com/doc.htm If you are just using Geoff's instrument panel, that doesn't impact the fuel valve installation. bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Valve To piggy back on Kelly's question... I know the part number that most people are using for the Andair valve is fs20x7... Question: What extension length is required for the tunnel? And can you trim down the extension if it's too long? I'm planning on Geoff's panel an console; if that matters. Finally, what fittings seem to be the standard? Van's fittings are 1/4" female on the valve. I'm guessing that's what everyone is using too? Thanks, Phil -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:02 AM Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Valve Is the Andair still considered the best setup? I understand that Van's supplied valve is significantly improved from original. Cost vs better function? Anyone flying with Van's improved valve? Just trying to asses how many "improvements" I want to do vs time and cost to do them. Kelly 40866 QB fuse ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:35 PM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Valve I purchased the 6" extension and used about 1/2 of it. It is an extrusion and yes, you cut it to any length you need then install the end fittings to mate to the valve and selector. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "Bob Leffler" wrote: > > I used about 3" of the extension. I have the newer valve location > which is > lower than the original location. I ordered the FS20x7-T, which > have male > AN-6 fittings. The new elbow fittings make installing the fuel > valve much > easier. Also, don't cross the fuel lines per the plans. The andair > valve > doesn't require that. > > You can see some of my photos here: > http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rleffler&project=260&cate > gory=0&log-897&row=7 and > http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rleffler&project=260&cate > gory=0&log=89805&row=51 . > > I'm using Geoff's center arm rest console, so there was some > additional > creative engineering that had to be done. If you are installing > this as > well, I just finished the install manual and posted them to Geoff's > site. > It can be found here: http://aerosportproducts.com/doc.htm If you > are just > using Geoff's instrument panel, that doesn't impact the fuel valve > installation. > > bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:51 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Valve > > > To piggy back on Kelly's question... > > I know the part number that most people are using for the Andair valve > is fs20x7... > > Question: What extension length is required for the tunnel? And can > you > trim down the extension if it's too long? I'm planning on Geoff's > panel > an console; if that matters. > > > Finally, what fittings seem to be the standard? Van's fittings are > 1/4" > female on the valve. I'm guessing that's what everyone is using too? > > Thanks, > Phil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly McMullen [mailto:apilot2@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:02 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Valve > > > Is the Andair still considered the best setup? I understand that Van's > supplied valve is significantly improved from original. Cost vs better > function? Anyone flying with Van's improved valve? Just trying to > asses how many "improvements" I want to do vs time and cost to do > them. > Kelly > 40866 > QB fuse > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:46 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Flap motor rod travel Been out of email touch thanks for the replies on this. I pretty much have the scheme down it was the movement of the motor from full flaps to reflex which I didn=92t know since the wings are not on. Jim says 5 inches so I=92ll play with that. Thanks Chris From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@cox.net Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Flap motor rod travel The sensor IIRC only gets about an inch and a quarter or so of travel from stop to stop. By using a horn about 1.5 inches in height you can dial down the throw to what you need. The hose clamp makes adjusting the up or down full range easy...just need to get the height of the pushrod attachment to the horn set to provide the needed travel required of the sensor Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _____ From: Jim Combs Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Flap motor rod travel FYI, The flap motor travels 5 inches for the complete flap deployment.- < br> Jim Combs (N312F) On Thu, Jan 28, = 2010 at 10:15 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: --> RV10-List = message posted by: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Chris, I don't know if this is what you are trying to address, but I've be= en meaning to post these pictures in case they help. The Show Planes positioner places the flaps at preset 3 degrees up, even, h alf down and all the way down. -The owner/pilot I'm helping wanted to= be able to "see" the position of the flaps on his AFS monitor at= night, so he got the slide resistor sensor that feeds into that (I'll = get that info for you if you want it, don't have it with me, I think it= is also by Show Planes). The trick is to mount it in such a position that it gets full range of the flap without exceeding the limits of the sensor -- about 1.25 inches. -I kept fiddling with it until I got it close, then made the little "arm& quot; you see attached almost to the bottom of the horn. -This way, the a rm pivots on the screw so that it increases/decreases the radius of arch -- hence increases/decreases the fine adjustment of the throw on the sensor. -I made the connecting rod out of hobby shop servo connecting rod. -Dou ble sided tape is a good idea for getting the sensor at the right height an d angle -- I just fiddled with ours. It was very difficult to drill that hole on the horn while it is installed because of the position and it is hardened -- broke more than one bit. -I f that is what you are dealing with before you install it, I think that is a smart thing to do! - That pivot hole is as low as I could go and still get a nut on the backside where the flange comes into the hub. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Painting done! On with wiring and avionics. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D283763#283763<= /a> Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flap_sensor1_medium_68= 0.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/flap_sensor2_medium_19= 6.jpg arget=3D"_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. =3D"_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =B7~=89=B2, _____ g'=D3=D3 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve From: "rvdave" Thanks Tim, what did you do with your scat tube and fuel valve since you had an earlier kit? -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284101#284101 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:38 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: heat scat tube and fuel valve I used a lowered and extended Andair....the most common fix. Tim On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:32 PM, "rvdave" wrote: > > Thanks Tim, what did you do with your scat tube and fuel valve since > you had an earlier kit? > > -------- > Dave Ford > RV6 flying > RV10 building > Cadillac, MI > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284101#284101 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:19 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Alternate static--was Door Flex From: "orchidman" Tim Olson wrote: > I have a toggle too. It's interesting to have the AP engaged and > flip the toggle open-closed-open-closed, and watch the plane > and altimeter/airspeed/vsi. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > I am curious, what happens when you open/close the vents. From my experiences, it does look like we are getting a fair amount of cabin pressurization when opening our vents. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284105#284105 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:53 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RV10-List: Baffle paint? Are builders painting their baffles. Is so=2C is a special primer/ paint ne eded to withstand the high temperatures or can a normal PPG DP 50 primer wo rk? The paint that is on the lycoming sure comes off easily. Seems like just alodining will mean re application as getting these pieces on and off without scratching is nearly imposible. Thanks JOhn ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:42 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffle paint? Urethane with a properly prepped aluminum should work just fine. Linn John Gonzalez wrote: > Are builders painting their baffles. Is so, is a special primer/ paint > needed to withstand the high temperatures or can a normal PPG DP 50 > primer work? The paint that is on the lycoming sure comes off easily. > > Seems like just alodining will mean re application as getting these > pieces on and off without scratching is nearly imposible. > > Thanks > > JOhn > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:57 PM PST US From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever Subject: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller Anyone on the list purchase the three blade MT and if so what is the opinio n of this set up versus the Hartzell which is about 50%more expensive? ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:08 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Alternate static--was Door Flex I'll let you know this summer when I open my vents. ;). Got up to 14F today. Tim On Jan 30, 2010, at 7:29 PM, "orchidman" wrote: > > > Tim Olson wrote: >> I have a toggle too. It's interesting to have the AP engaged and >> flip the toggle open-closed-open-closed, and watch the plane >> and altimeter/airspeed/vsi. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >> > > I am curious, what happens when you open/close the vents. From my > experiences, it does look like we are getting a fair amount of cabin > pressurization when opening our vents. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284105#284105 > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller From: ricksked@cox.net Little slower, looks very cool and as smooth as Deem's bottom! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever Subject: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller Anyone on the list purchase the three blade MT and if so what is the opinion of this set up versus the H artzell which is about 50%more expensive? ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:11 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baffle paint? I used PPG DP-40LF and a single stage top coat on my 8A. The baffles look just like the day I painted them 8 years ago. I'll do the same on the 10. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Baffle paint? Are builders painting their baffles. Is so, is a special primer/ paint needed to withstand the high temperatures or can a normal PPG DP 50 primer work? The paint that is on the lycoming sure comes off easily. Seems like just alodining will mean re application as getting these pieces on and off without scratching is nearly imposible. Thanks JOhn ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:43 PM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller I have a MT, but not flying yet. Bought it because it is smoooooth..... Wish I hadn't because it makes taking the lower cowl off a biotch..... Since the blended airfoil Hartzell is faster and makes the cowl infinitely easier to get off, I wish I'd have purchased it.... That is just my opinion..... -Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:54 PM, Roxanne and Mike Lefever wrote: > Anyone on the list purchase the three blade MT and if so what is the > opinion of this set up versus the Hartzell which is about 50%more > expensive? > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:52 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller Now I'm concerned.... wondering how Rick knows about Deem's bottom.... then why Deem's would get involved in any thing like that....=C2- Oh crap, I' m flying down to Vegas in Feb and am staying in Ricks hangar while we atten d the NASCAR race "together", and then we're flying down to visit Deems.... . this simply does not sound good!!!!!!!!!!!! =C2- On a serious note.... I love my MT... very smooth, and certainly fast.=C2 - Climbout the other day=C2-with 2 big boys on board was over 2,140 fpm , and most of the time we cruise between 170 and 184 knots, at between 9.5 and 10.2 gph.=C2- Ran with a Cirrus the other day; we were both=C2-at 4 500' at 25sq, 200mph. =C2- But what the hell do I know. =C2- Don McDonald=C2- --- On Sat, 1/30/10, ricksked@cox.net wrote: From: ricksked@cox.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller Little slower, looks very cool and as smooth as Deem's bottom! 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