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1. 01:36 AM - Re: Roger Christopher Hopkinson (Werner Schneider)
2. 04:44 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Is a large countersink still in circulation?] (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: Three Blade MT Propeller (Kelly McMullen)
4. 05:49 AM - Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com)
5. 05:59 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (Miller John)
6. 06:10 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (Tim Olson)
7. 06:11 AM - Re: Three Blade MT Propeller (lessdragprod@aol.com)
8. 06:24 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (Perry, Phil)
9. 06:24 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (DLM)
10. 06:24 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (Tim Olson)
11. 06:24 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (Kelly McMullen)
12. 06:39 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (Tim Olson)
13. 06:43 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (jkreidler)
14. 07:03 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (DLM)
15. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (David Maib)
16. 07:36 AM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (David Maib)
17. 08:01 AM - Tunnel Access (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
18. 08:47 AM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Jesse Saint)
19. 11:22 AM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 01:01 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Tim Olson)
21. 01:25 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Seano)
22. 01:30 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Danny Riggs)
23. 01:50 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
24. 01:54 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Tim Olson)
25. 01:59 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
26. 02:07 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Tom Koelzer)
27. 02:19 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Geoff Combs)
28. 02:26 PM - Insurance 2010 (Tim Olson)
29. 02:27 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Tim Olson)
30. 02:34 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Danny Riggs)
31. 02:36 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Danny Riggs)
32. 03:17 PM - FS: Bose Aviation Headset X (Neal George)
33. 03:36 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (Jesse Saint)
34. 03:37 PM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X (Seano)
35. 03:52 PM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X (Neal George)
36. 04:24 PM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X (ricksked@cox.net)
37. 05:03 PM - Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel (Bob-tcw)
38. 05:38 PM - Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable (tomhanaway)
39. 05:54 PM - Re: Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable (ricksked@cox.net)
40. 06:07 PM - Re: Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable (tomhanaway)
41. 06:18 PM - Re: Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable (Perry, Phil)
42. 06:19 PM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
43. 06:36 PM - Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
44. 07:44 PM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X (Robin Marks)
45. 07:54 PM - Re: Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable (Linn Walters)
46. 09:02 PM - Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X (Seano)
47. 09:52 PM - Re: Insurance 2010 (Scott Schmidt)
48. 10:49 PM - Re: Insurance 2010 (Deems Davis)
49. 10:50 PM - Re: Insurance 2010 (Deems Davis)
50. 11:03 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Roger Christopher Hopkinson |
PM to you on the way
On 01.02.2010 06:53, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> Anyone on the list know Roger Christopher Hopkinson in the UK? Hes
> listed as the registered owner of a flying RV-10 in Reading. Ill be in
> the UK in April and it might be fun to stop by . . .
>
> TDT
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> Tim Dawson-Townsend
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> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
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> 617-500-4812 (office)
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> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Is a large countersink still in circulation?] |
No problem, more than enough tools to abuse FG with around here right now.
Let me know if you need me to resend address stuff.
Bill
Roxanne and Mike Lefever wrote:
> Bill:
>
> Sorry, I kind of forgot to move it on...............I will get it off
> to you within a day or two (at worst)............!!
>
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:38:10 -0500
> From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: RV10-List: Is a large countersink still in
> circulation?]
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> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 06:51:59 -0500
> From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> To: rv10rob@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Is a large countersink still in circulation?
>
>
> No I didn't and I'm ready. Mike or Lew, any word?
>
> Rob Kochman wrote:
> > Hey, Bill... did you get the countersink from Mike yet? Thanks...
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> > <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
> >
> > <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
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> > Alright, you'll be next.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > Rob Kochman wrote:
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> > Bill, I could use it when you're done.
> > -Rob
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> > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Lew Gallagher
> > <lewgall@charter.net <mailto:lewgall@charter.net>
> > <mailto:lewgall@charter.net <mailto:lewgall@charter.net>>> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Hey Bill "looking for a hole sinker not like Tiger" Watson,
> >
> > Mike Lefever presently has the countersink and just emailed
> > me to
> > see if it was alright to keep it until after the holidays. It
> > would be best if he sent it directly to you when he's finished
> > instead of detouring through me. PM me and I'll get you his
> > info
> > in case he doesn't see this.
> >
> > Later, - Lew "still pushing for an AP" Gallagher
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson"
> > <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
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> > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:25 PM
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> > <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> > <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>>
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> >
> > I'd like to use it if available.
> > Alternatively, where's a good place to buy a 5/16" 100deg
> > countersink?
> > BTW, I replaced the stock rear seat belt arrangement by
> > adding
> > 2 additional hardpoints - so I have to countersink 4 holes.
> >
> > Thanks!
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> > Durham NC
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| Subject: | Re: Three Blade MT Propeller |
All 3 brands of the composite 3 bladed props are less likely to get
nicks or chips in the leading edge than an aluminum prop, because they
have metal leading edges made of metals more resistant to such wear
and tear than aluminum is. I think any builder understands how easily
aluminum is damaged. 3 blades give better acceleration and climb, but
the RV-10 has such good acceleration and climb already that you are
less likely to notice those benefits.
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Dave Leikam <daveleikam@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I was on the fence between an MT prop and 2 blade Hartzell. Other than cost and
performance, a big consideration I remember hearing from Van's was that if
an MT blade gets chipped, the prop should not be flown but sent off for inspection
and repair before further flight. The aluminum Hartzell could be field dressed
depending on the damage and flown again quickly. This one advantage along
with reports two blade props have the best top end finalizedmy decision. Reports
also say having the two blade Hartzell balanced along with the inherent smoothness
of the 540's we all run makethemvery smooth. The only advantages I remember
from my research were, better ground clearance and less noise from shorter
blades, lighter and better looking.
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10 #40496
> N89DA
> Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel |
I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter.
First, just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the tunnel
cover. Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary to remove
the entire cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for those still
building this should be considered. Others have installed an access panel
in the side of the tunnel in the foot well. This allows easier access to
the fuel filter and fuel pump. One of the things I really dislike about
servicing the fuel filter is that you have to break the fuel lines, and
this causes some fuel to spill. Add insulation to soak up the fuel and
you have a recipe for disaster, so you need to use a box of rags to keep
the fuel from getting all over the place.
So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the airplane
we would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the airplane that
we could have reached up through to get at the fuel filter. This would
have been much easier during construction.... An alternative would be to
install a second fuel filter, and place both filters at the tank exits
under the wing walk access panel.
I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about how
they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify our
airplane to simplify the task.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel |
It's not that big of a deal to take it out, and you need to inspect
inside the tunnel anyway at each annual.
Run the engine dry to check that the shut-off valve works, then a
couple of paper towels soak up any residual (I put no insulation in my
tunnel for just that reason.....did not want anything to soak up fuel
should there be a leak or spill in there......
I wouldn't mess with cutting access panels in the floor......at least
not before checking with Van's on what it might do to structural
strength.....
grumpy
N184JM flying, about to start #3 annual
On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:48 AM, jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com wrote:
> I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel
> filter. First, just to get at it there is a pile of work in
> removing the tunnel cover. Some have split the tunnel cover so it
> isn't necessary to remove the entire cover to inspect the tunnel,
> great idea, for those still building this should be considered.
> Others have installed an access panel in the side of the tunnel in
> the foot well. This allows easier access to the fuel filter and
> fuel pump. One of the things I really dislike about servicing the
> fuel filter is that you have to break the fuel lines, and this
> causes some fuel to spill. Add insulation to soak up the fuel and
> you have a recipe for disaster, so you need to use a box of rags to
> keep the fuel from getting all over the place.
>
> So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the
> airplane we would have installed an access panel on the bottom of
> the airplane that we could have reached up through to get at the
> fuel filter. This would have been much easier during
> construction.... An alternative would be to install a second fuel
> filter, and place both filters at the tank exits under the wing walk
> access panel.
>
> I post this simply to get those who are still building to think
> about how they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will
> modify our airplane to simplify the task.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> N44YH - Flying
> 4 Partner Build #40617
> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel |
I just did this yesterday...removed the tunnel cover and
disassembled the fuel filter. I was contemplating doing
a side access door like Scott to get to the filter. I think
that access door could be really handy in accessing the filter
to get tools in there. But, at the same time, even if you
have the door I don't think that makes it a great idea to
do any filter removal without the tunnel cover off.
I spilled plenty of fuel in that tunnel area and had to
wipe it up as you noted. I wouldn't want to completely do the
job through a side panel unless I knew I could get it
all 100% cleaned. So I think that unless there were a
bottom access panel as you noted, there isn't really
a good way to service the filter without removing
the tunnel cover completely, and also removing that SCAT
tube for better access. A side panel removal would
add to easier access.
But, when all is said and done, I think removal of the
entire tunnel cover is probably something you should all
be doing once a year anyway. And I mean the entire tunnel
cover back through the rear seats. It's the only way
you'll be able to inspect and lubricate the control rod
ends. It will still be a pain in the butt, but if it only
comes once a year during annual time then it's not much
worth complaining about....it's easier to annual an RV-10
than it is some of those other certified planes.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com wrote:
> I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter.
> First, just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the tunnel
> cover. Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary to remove
> the entire cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for those still
> building this should be considered. Others have installed an access
> panel in the side of the tunnel in the foot well. This allows easier
> access to the fuel filter and fuel pump. One of the things I really
> dislike about servicing the fuel filter is that you have to break the
> fuel lines, and this causes some fuel to spill. Add insulation to soak
> up the fuel and you have a recipe for disaster, so you need to use a box
> of rags to keep the fuel from getting all over the place.
>
> So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the airplane
> we would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the airplane
> that we could have reached up through to get at the fuel filter. This
> would have been much easier during construction.... An alternative
> would be to install a second fuel filter, and place both filters at the
> tank exits under the wing walk access panel.
>
> I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about
> how they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify our
> airplane to simplify the task.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> N44YH - Flying
> 4 Partner Build #40617
> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Three Blade MT Propeller |
Actually, it is an easy answer. The stainless steel leading edge on MT pr
opellers is three times more resistant to sand erosion than aluminum.
When I was going through the certification class at MT Propeller in German
y, I disassembled a propeller in for overhaul from Iceland. The leading
edges were dented from the rocks that they picked up while doing their en
gine run up (rock runway). Since there were no cracks in the dents, the
propeller blades were airworthy as is. They just looked pretty bad. Dur
ing overhaul, the stainless steel leading edge were replaced. The overhau
led propeller looked like a new propeller.
There is damage and repair criteria in the installation and operation manu
al. Basically, if the fiberglass shell is damaged, it is patched with 5
minite epoxy.
At Sun-N-Fun one year, a Velocity had to do a go around, and the MT propel
ler tips hit the runway. It took about an inch off each blade tip. The
blades were all trimmed to the same length and the exposed wood on the ti
ps were sealed with 5 minute Epoxy.
One of my F-1 customers removed 3 inches from the tip of each blade on his
3 blade MT Propeller on take off (fighting a cross wind). He noticed thi
s when he landed. (The concrete had done an excellent job of evenly "sand
ing" each blade tip.) We did an early overhaul. The blades wee sent to
Germany for repair back to their original length. The customers engine
was removed for a propeller strike inspection. The overhauled propeller
with the original length blades was available to be installed when the en
gine was back on the F-1.
Jim Ayers
N130LD Less Drag Special (modified HR2) IO-540 exp with counterweighted 4
blade MT Propeller
(November BOLD)
-----Original Message-----
From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike@msn.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:24 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller
I guess the only thing that concerns me that I don't think there is an eas
y answer to is...........I travel to Mexico and land on unimproved "airpor
ts" 5 or 10 times a year............and have some concern the sand will ea
t up the MT. Any thoughts?
From: building_partner@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller
Greg Nelson, out of Lincoln, Ca... former U-2 pilot, owns a rocket. Origi
nally he had a 2 bade Hartzell, and then switched to a 3 blade MT. He sai
d that the top end loss was only a few knots, and that climbout was very
close to identical.... this is the info I used to finally make a decision
on which way to go. Another positive aspect that noone has mentioned is
that when you pull the mixture for shut down, IT STOPS, RIGHT NOW! I've
watched lots of planes shut down, and that added weight of the 2 blade ha
rtzell is just a really big heavy flywheel, so it turns several more revol
utions, and the engine and aircraft rock around quite a bit.
Don McDonald
--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller
I don't think there have ever been any numbers from non-souped engines to
show the aerocomposite being faster on a same cowl/engine combo. Not say
ing it isn't true, but to date I think the only KNOWN data point is the MT
is just the slightest bit slower...not much. The aerocomposite might be
faster or equal, but no real solid side by side flight has been done like
with the MT. It is a beautiful prop, regardless.
Tim
On Jan 31, 2010, at 10:36 AM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sau
sen.net> wrote:
General consensus is that with the MT you get:
- a couple not decrease in top end
- a much smoother prop
- increase in climb performance and quicker off the blocks
- much bigger PITA when taking off the lower cowl
- lighter nose weight
- Sex appeal :)
The Aerocomposite that Deems and a few others have are supposed to be as
fast or slightly faster than the Hartzell and you can have them painted
for a couple point bump in the aforementioned sex appeal.
Michael
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Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Three Blade MT Propeller
Anyone on the list purchase the three blade MT and if so what is the opini
on of this set up versus the Hartzell which is about 50%more expensive?
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| Subject: | Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel |
I'm not sure if it's possible, but I've been thinking of adding one
filter at each wing root.
I like the simplified access to the filter, but I also like the idea of
having one fuel filter dedicated to each tank. This way if a filter
should get blocked, I can flip to the other tank and access some fuel
there.
Phil
From: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
[mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel
I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter.
First, just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the tunnel
cover. Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary to remove
the entire cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for those still
building this should be considered. Others have installed an access
panel in the side of the tunnel in the foot well. This allows easier
access to the fuel filter and fuel pump. One of the things I really
dislike about servicing the fuel filter is that you have to break the
fuel lines, and this causes some fuel to spill. Add insulation to soak
up the fuel and you have a recipe for disaster, so you need to use a box
of rags to keep the fuel from getting all over the place.
So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the airplane
we would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the airplane
that we could have reached up through to get at the fuel filter. This
would have been much easier during construction.... An alternative
would be to install a second fuel filter, and place both filters at the
tank exits under the wing walk access panel.
I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about
how they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify our
airplane to simplify the task.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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If a builder decides to start cutting extra holes in the skin, I would
advise getting a structural engineer's analysis of the proposal.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel
I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter. First,
just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the tunnel cover.
Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary to remove the entire
cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for those still building this
should be considered. Others have installed an access panel in the side of
the tunnel in the foot well. This allows easier access to the fuel filter
and fuel pump. One of the things I really dislike about servicing the fuel
filter is that you have to break the fuel lines, and this causes some fuel
to spill. Add insulation to soak up the fuel and you have a recipe for
disaster, so you need to use a box of rags to keep the fuel from getting all
over the place.
So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the airplane we
would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the airplane that we
could have reached up through to get at the fuel filter. This would have
been much easier during construction.... An alternative would be to install
a second fuel filter, and place both filters at the tank exits under the
wing walk access panel.
I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about how
they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify our airplane
to simplify the task.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel |
I did insulate the tunnel, but only the side walls.
I don't think it does anything worthwhile to do the
sidewalls either. The forward firewall, sure.
And then the SCAT tube wrapped with insulation.
That would be all I'd do if I were doing it again.
My sidewall insulation doesn't go all the way to the
floor though so fuel spilling and soaking isn't
going to soak into it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Miller John wrote:
> It's not that big of a deal to take it out, and you need to inspect
> inside the tunnel anyway at each annual.
>
> Run the engine dry to check that the shut-off valve works, then a couple
> of paper towels soak up any residual (I put no insulation in my tunnel
> for just that reason.....did not want anything to soak up fuel should
> there be a leak or spill in there......
>
> I wouldn't mess with cutting access panels in the floor......at least
> not before checking with Van's on what it might do to structural
> strength.....
>
> grumpy
> N184JM flying, about to start #3 annual
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 7:48 AM, jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
> <mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com> wrote:
>
>> I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter.
>> First, just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the
>> tunnel cover. Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary
>> to remove the entire cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for
>> those still building this should be considered. Others have installed
>> an access panel in the side of the tunnel in the foot well. This
>> allows easier access to the fuel filter and fuel pump. One of the
>> things I really dislike about servicing the fuel filter is that you
>> have to break the fuel lines, and this causes some fuel to spill. Add
>> insulation to soak up the fuel and you have a recipe for disaster, so
>> you need to use a box of rags to keep the fuel from getting all over
>> the place.
>>
>> So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the
>> airplane we would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the
>> airplane that we could have reached up through to get at the fuel
>> filter. This would have been much easier during construction.... An
>> alternative would be to install a second fuel filter, and place both
>> filters at the tank exits under the wing walk access panel.
>>
>> I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about
>> how they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify
>> our airplane to simplify the task.
>>
>> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>>
>> N44YH - Flying
>> 4 Partner Build #40617
>> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel |
Is there any particular reason the filter needs to be in the tunnel?
Anyone considered relocating to front side of firewall?
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I just did this yesterday...removed the tunnel cover and
> disassembled the fuel filter. I was contemplating doing
> a side access door like Scott to get to the filter. I think
> that access door could be really handy in accessing the filter
> to get tools in there. But, at the same time, even if you
> have the door I don't think that makes it a great idea to
> do any filter removal without the tunnel cover off.
> I spilled plenty of fuel in that tunnel area and had to
> wipe it up as you noted. I wouldn't want to completely do the
> job through a side panel unless I knew I could get it
> all 100% cleaned. So I think that unless there were a
> bottom access panel as you noted, there isn't really
> a good way to service the filter without removing
> the tunnel cover completely, and also removing that SCAT
> tube for better access. A side panel removal would
> add to easier access.
>
> But, when all is said and done, I think removal of the
> entire tunnel cover is probably something you should all
> be doing once a year anyway. And I mean the entire tunnel
> cover back through the rear seats. It's the only way
> you'll be able to inspect and lubricate the control rod
> ends. It will still be a pain in the butt, but if it only
> comes once a year during annual time then it's not much
> worth complaining about....it's easier to annual an RV-10
> than it is some of those other certified planes.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com wrote:
>> I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter.
>> First, just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the
>> tunnel cover. Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary
>> to remove the entire cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for
>> those still building this should be considered. Others have installed
>> an access panel in the side of the tunnel in the foot well. This
>> allows easier access to the fuel filter and fuel pump. One of the
>> things I really dislike about servicing the fuel filter is that you
>> have to break the fuel lines, and this causes some fuel to spill. Add
>> insulation to soak up the fuel and you have a recipe for disaster, so
>> you need to use a box of rags to keep the fuel from getting all over
>> the place.
>>
>> So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the
>> airplane we would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the
>> airplane that we could have reached up through to get at the fuel
>> filter. This would have been much easier during construction.... An
>> alternative would be to install a second fuel filter, and place both
>> filters at the tank exits under the wing walk access panel.
>>
>> I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about
>> how they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify
>> our airplane to simplify the task.
>>
>> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>>
>> N44YH - Flying
>> 4 Partner Build #40617
>> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel |
I think under the seats would be an awesome location except
for one thing.....when you disconnect the lines, with
no valve to shut off, you're going to dump fuel all
over the place. So that would tempt you to add shutoffs
to each tank in front of the filter....and then that's
another point of leak/failure. Maybe with the right
valves I'd consider putting one filter per wing and
putting them under the seats. Not sure if it's worth
the hassle though once you're flying.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Perry, Phil wrote:
> Im not sure if its possible, but Ive been thinking of adding one
> filter at each wing root.
>
>
>
> I like the simplified access to the filter, but I also like the idea of
> having one fuel filter dedicated to each tank. This way if a filter
> should get blocked, I can flip to the other tank and access some fuel there.
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
> [mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2010 7:48 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel
>
>
>
> I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter.
> First, just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the tunnel
> cover. Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary to remove
> the entire cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for those still
> building this should be considered. Others have installed an access
> panel in the side of the tunnel in the foot well. This allows easier
> access to the fuel filter and fuel pump. One of the things I really
> dislike about servicing the fuel filter is that you have to break the
> fuel lines, and this causes some fuel to spill. Add insulation to soak
> up the fuel and you have a recipe for disaster, so you need to use a box
> of rags to keep the fuel from getting all over the place.
>
> So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the airplane
> we would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the airplane
> that we could have reached up through to get at the fuel filter. This
> would have been much easier during construction.... An alternative
> would be to install a second fuel filter, and place both filters at the
> tank exits under the wing walk access panel.
>
> I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about
> how they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify our
> airplane to simplify the task.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> N44YH - Flying
> 4 Partner Build #40617
> Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel |
I think there are times, especially when the airplane is new that you need to get
into that area besides annual. During annual EVERY panel needs to come off,
I don't think there are many or any exceptions this would not change that.
I agree a person would need to think about the structure when cutting in access
panels, but be aware cutting an access panel in the side of the tunnel requires
the same thought.
Like I said, I am not sure how we will handle this, or if we will even make a mod.
I just wanted to give those still building a chance to think about a possible
mod while it was still fairly simple to implement. Knowing what I know now,
I can promise that if we had known about this we would have done something
(again not sure what) during construction.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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Each tank , IIRC, already has a filter screen. Additionally one can see the
fuel flows for various power settings on the EFIS, so some indication of a
future problem may be evident. Lastly drain/flush the main tanks
after the build process. Mine were QB tanks but still had residual pieces of
proseal which I flushed before sending any fuel to the filter.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel
I'm not sure if it's possible, but I've been thinking of adding one filter
at each wing root.
I like the simplified access to the filter, but I also like the idea of
having one fuel filter dedicated to each tank. This way if a filter should
get blocked, I can flip to the other tank and access some fuel there.
Phil
From: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com [mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel
I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter. First,
just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the tunnel cover.
Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary to remove the entire
cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for those still building this
should be considered. Others have installed an access panel in the side of
the tunnel in the foot well. This allows easier access to the fuel filter
and fuel pump. One of the things I really dislike about servicing the fuel
filter is that you have to break the fuel lines, and this causes some fuel
to spill. Add insulation to soak up the fuel and you have a recipe for
disaster, so you need to use a box of rags to keep the fuel from getting all
over the place.
So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the airplane we
would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the airplane that we
could have reached up through to get at the fuel filter. This would have
been much easier during construction.... An alternative would be to install
a second fuel filter, and place both filters at the tank exits under the
wing walk access panel.
I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about how
they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify our airplane
to simplify the task.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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I was dreading taking the fuel filter out during the first condition
inspection back in November. It was a PITA, but not as bad as I had
feared. Some certified airplanes have an access panel on the belly
just for this reason. I think this would be the best solution, but as
others have noted, some structural engineering support would be
required. I am not convinced that an access panel in the side of the
tunnel would make the task that much easier, and as Jason notes,
still has structural considerations. If I was doing it over again, I
would consider the belly access panel.
$.02 worth
David Maib
40559
flying
On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:43 AM, jkreidler wrote:
<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
I think there are times, especially when the airplane is new that you
need to get into that area besides annual. During annual EVERY panel
needs to come off, I don't think there are many or any exceptions
this would not change that. I agree a person would need to think
about the structure when cutting in access panels, but be aware
cutting an access panel in the side of the tunnel requires the same
thought.
Like I said, I am not sure how we will handle this, or if we will
even make a mod. I just wanted to give those still building a chance
to think about a possible mod while it was still fairly simple to
implement. Knowing what I know now, I can promise that if we had
known about this we would have done something (again not sure what)
during construction.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Read this topic online here:
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Drained and flushed my QB tanks during the build and did not have any
appreciable debris. That was even after having to replace an end rib
in one of the tanks due to a builder stupidity induced problem. I
noted during the first condition inspection that my fuel filter was
perfectly clean.
David Maib
4059
flying
On Feb 1, 2010, at 10:03 AM, DLM wrote:
Each tank , IIRC, already has a filter screen. Additionally one can
see the fuel flows for various power settings on the EFIS, so some
indication of a future problem may be evident. Lastly drain/flush
the main tanks
after the build process. Mine were QB tanks but still had residual
pieces of proseal which I flushed before sending any fuel to the filter.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:18 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel
I=92m not sure if it=92s possible, but I=92ve been thinking of adding
one
filter at each wing root.
I like the simplified access to the filter, but I also like the idea
of having one fuel filter dedicated to each tank. This way if a
filter should get blocked, I can flip to the other tank and access
some fuel there.
Phil
From: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
[mailto:jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel
I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter.
First, just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the
tunnel cover. Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary
to remove the entire cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for
those still building this should be considered. Others have
installed an access panel in the side of the tunnel in the foot
well. This allows easier access to the fuel filter and fuel pump.
One of the things I really dislike about servicing the fuel filter is
that you have to break the fuel lines, and this causes some fuel to
spill. Add insulation to soak up the fuel and you have a recipe for
disaster, so you need to use a box of rags to keep the fuel from
getting all over the place.
So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the
airplane we would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the
airplane that we could have reached up through to get at the fuel
filter. This would have been much easier during construction.... An
alternative would be to install a second fuel filter, and place both
filters at the tank exits under the wing walk access panel.
I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about
how they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify
our airplane to simplify the task.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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We bought a tunnel access hatch kit from AirWard and it went in without
problems. I don't have any pictures handy right now, but you can see
the kit on their website:
http://www.airward.com/amelia/search.asp?advnav
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Aurora Flight Sciences
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
My understanding is that there is only one main model, with three different memory
levels (16, 32 and 64GB) and all of them can get the 3G option. Nothing ships
until later march or early april, so they will all be the same. If you get
the $130 3G option, then you will have a true GPS as well. With ForeFlight,
if you have the plates downloaded for the state you are in, if you hit the "location"
button, it will show you the closest airports and then you can pick
an approach plate that you already have cached, so for those who want that feature,
you will have it. I think this, with foreflight, which will already run
on it, would be a great EFB upgrade from the iPhone/iPod Touch with its small
screen. $75/year isn't bad, and you can also use it to check weather and file
in your favorite format or from your favorite website. Bummer there isn't a
camera for those screen shots of your panel while flying, though.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jan 27, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> On 1/27/2010 5:34 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:
>> My son-in-law says the high end model coming out in April will have
>> wifi, blue tooth and gps. Dan
>
>
> The low end ones all have that, similar to the iTouch. The high end
> ones will also have 3G (data over the cell phone networks), similar to
> the iPhone.
>
> -Dj
>
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> Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
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That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
<snip>If you get the $130 3G option, then you will have a true GPS as well.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Exactly. The GPS in an iphone is a real GPS. If you don't
have an iphone with a GPS, then it uses cellular and
Wi-Fi info to approximate position. Skyhook is a company
that will take your GPS coordinate of your Access Points,
and you can send them lists from all over town if you wish,
from war driving, or from your home/company. Then if your
ipod touch or iphone is receiving Wi-Fi from that MAC address,
it will show that as your location. I sent Skyhook my home
AP's mac addresses and then my ipod touch (no GPS) would
show the proper location.
So, using Cellphone data and Wi-Fi is the NON-GPS way to
find location. When the iphone uses GPS, it's really
using GPS....so you don't need to be in range of anything
ground-based to use it. I used my iphone GPS over Montana
at 10-16,000' and it worked great.
And of course the other option that I've mentioned before
is for ANY of the devices (maybe later the iTampon too),
if you jailbreak it, you can get ROQYBT bluetooth stack
and then use that to connect to a bluetooth GPS. This
way even your measly ipod touch can have true GPS
to show your real position.
Neat stuff, for sure. It'll be interesting what the
iTampon really offers....if it offers true GPS that would
be great. I'm sure the thing will be jailbroken within
a few weeks of release too, so many cool things would
come at that point.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
>
> <snip>If you get the $130 3G option, then you will have a true GPS as well.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
To add to Tim's write up - I used Motion-x in the citation and it was
reading satellites accurately at 365 mph at 12500. I haven't used it higher
yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
> Exactly. The GPS in an iphone is a real GPS. If you don't
> have an iphone with a GPS, then it uses cellular and
> Wi-Fi info to approximate position. Skyhook is a company
> that will take your GPS coordinate of your Access Points,
> and you can send them lists from all over town if you wish,
> from war driving, or from your home/company. Then if your
> ipod touch or iphone is receiving Wi-Fi from that MAC address,
> it will show that as your location. I sent Skyhook my home
> AP's mac addresses and then my ipod touch (no GPS) would
> show the proper location.
>
> So, using Cellphone data and Wi-Fi is the NON-GPS way to
> find location. When the iphone uses GPS, it's really
> using GPS....so you don't need to be in range of anything
> ground-based to use it. I used my iphone GPS over Montana
> at 10-16,000' and it worked great.
>
> And of course the other option that I've mentioned before
> is for ANY of the devices (maybe later the iTampon too),
> if you jailbreak it, you can get ROQYBT bluetooth stack
> and then use that to connect to a bluetooth GPS. This
> way even your measly ipod touch can have true GPS
> to show your real position.
>
> Neat stuff, for sure. It'll be interesting what the
> iTampon really offers....if it offers true GPS that would
> be great. I'm sure the thing will be jailbroken within
> a few weeks of release too, so many cool things would
> come at that point.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>> That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:32 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>>
>>
>> <snip>If you get the $130 3G option, then you will have a true GPS as
>> well. do not archive
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
The top end model I-Pad (still can't say that with a straight face) is stat
ed to have a real GPS. My first I-Phone got location from the cell towers a
nd whichever WiFi it could bootleg off of. The 3G went to a true GPS. At le
ast that's my understanding!
> Date: Mon=2C 1 Feb 2010 14:59:37 -0600
> From: Tim@myrv10.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
>
> Exactly. The GPS in an iphone is a real GPS. If you don't
> have an iphone with a GPS=2C then it uses cellular and
> Wi-Fi info to approximate position. Skyhook is a company
> that will take your GPS coordinate of your Access Points=2C
> and you can send them lists from all over town if you wish=2C
> from war driving=2C or from your home/company. Then if your
> ipod touch or iphone is receiving Wi-Fi from that MAC address=2C
> it will show that as your location. I sent Skyhook my home
> AP's mac addresses and then my ipod touch (no GPS) would
> show the proper location.
>
> So=2C using Cellphone data and Wi-Fi is the NON-GPS way to
> find location. When the iphone uses GPS=2C it's really
> using GPS....so you don't need to be in range of anything
> ground-based to use it. I used my iphone GPS over Montana
> at 10-16=2C000' and it worked great.
>
> And of course the other option that I've mentioned before
> is for ANY of the devices (maybe later the iTampon too)=2C
> if you jailbreak it=2C you can get ROQYBT bluetooth stack
> and then use that to connect to a bluetooth GPS. This
> way even your measly ipod touch can have true GPS
> to show your real position.
>
> Neat stuff=2C for sure. It'll be interesting what the
> iTampon really offers....if it offers true GPS that would
> be great. I'm sure the thing will be jailbroken within
> a few weeks of release too=2C so many cool things would
> come at that point.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
er@sausen.net>
> >
> > That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> > Sent: Monday=2C February 01=2C 2010 10:32 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> >
> >
> > <snip>If you get the $130 3G option=2C then you will have a true GPS as
well.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Jesse Saint
> > Saint Aviation=2C Inc.
> > jesse@saintaviation.com
> > Cell: 352-427-0285
> > Fax: 815-377-3694
> >
>
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Not sure which way you were arguing this so I thought I would clarify my statement.
:D
The iPhone/iPad both have fully functioning GPS's, the only difference is the
iPhone and iFemineProduct w/cellular can use Assisted GPS which is just a fancy
way for looking up the cell towers coordinates it has a lock on so it can tell
the GPS to "start here" for the satellites overhead and give you the dot on
the map faster.
Quazi location based lookup via WiFi is VERY hit and miss and, as you said, requires
the MAC of the access point to be officially registered with location
or else it will default to the owner of the IP range and where they say you are.
Which in the case of Charter and my house, that's about a 40 mile difference.
Lots of different technologies being mixed together just so the p0rn adds in
your browser can tell you about the hot singles in "insert your location" town.
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm durn sure that those women do not
exist where they say they do!
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Exactly. The GPS in an iphone is a real GPS. If you don't
have an iphone with a GPS, then it uses cellular and
Wi-Fi info to approximate position. Skyhook is a company
that will take your GPS coordinate of your Access Points,
and you can send them lists from all over town if you wish,
from war driving, or from your home/company. Then if your
ipod touch or iphone is receiving Wi-Fi from that MAC address,
it will show that as your location. I sent Skyhook my home
AP's mac addresses and then my ipod touch (no GPS) would
show the proper location.
So, using Cellphone data and Wi-Fi is the NON-GPS way to
find location. When the iphone uses GPS, it's really
using GPS....so you don't need to be in range of anything
ground-based to use it. I used my iphone GPS over Montana
at 10-16,000' and it worked great.
And of course the other option that I've mentioned before
is for ANY of the devices (maybe later the iTampon too),
if you jailbreak it, you can get ROQYBT bluetooth stack
and then use that to connect to a bluetooth GPS. This
way even your measly ipod touch can have true GPS
to show your real position.
Neat stuff, for sure. It'll be interesting what the
iTampon really offers....if it offers true GPS that would
be great. I'm sure the thing will be jailbroken within
a few weeks of release too, so many cool things would
come at that point.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
>
> <snip>If you get the $130 3G option, then you will have a true GPS as well.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
So now we can cay our iPad's have wings when we use them
in the plane, too. :) I think you're right...the 3G
was the first model with GPS.
Hopefully your iPad will be more useful than one week
every 28 days though.
Hmmm, that coincides with chart cycles too...28 days...
interesting.
iPad/iPon, whatever...
Tim
Danny Riggs wrote:
> The top end model I-Pad (still can't say that with a straight face) is
> stated to have a real GPS. My first I-Phone got location from the cell
> towers and whichever WiFi it could bootleg off of. The 3G went to a true
> GPS. At least that's my understanding!
>
> > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:59:37 -0600
> > From: Tim@myrv10.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> >
> >
> > Exactly. The GPS in an iphone is a real GPS. If you don't
> > have an iphone with a GPS, then it uses cellular and
> > Wi-Fi info to approximate position. Skyhook is a company
> > that will take your GPS coordinate of your Access Points,
> > and you can send them lists from all over town if you wish,
> > from war driving, or from your home/company. Then if your
> > ipod touch or iphone is receiving Wi-Fi from that MAC address,
> > it will show that as your location. I sent Skyhook my home
> > AP's mac addresses and then my ipod touch (no GPS) would
> > show the proper location.
> >
> > So, using Cellphone data and Wi-Fi is the NON-GPS way to
> > find location. When the iphone uses GPS, it's really
> > using GPS....so you don't need to be in range of anything
> > ground-based to use it. I used my iphone GPS over Montana
> > at 10-16,000' and it worked great.
> >
> > And of course the other option that I've mentioned before
> > is for ANY of the devices (maybe later the iTampon too),
> > if you jailbreak it, you can get ROQYBT bluetooth stack
> > and then use that to connect to a bluetooth GPS. This
> > way even your measly ipod touch can have true GPS
> > to show your real position.
> >
> > Neat stuff, for sure. It'll be interesting what the
> > iTampon really offers....if it offers true GPS that would
> > be great. I'm sure the thing will be jailbroken within
> > a few weeks of release too, so many cool things would
> > come at that point.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> >
> >
> >
> > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > >
> > > That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> > > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:32 AM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> > >
> > >
> > > <snip>If you get the $130 3G option, then you will have a true GPS
> as well.
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > > Jesse Saint
> > > Saint Aviation, Inc.
> > > jesse@saintaviation.com
> > > Cell: 352-427-0285
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hotmail: Free201469228/direct/01/' target='_new'>Get it now.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Let me clarify one thing in my clarification. :) There is still a lot of discussion
on if the non cellular version has the GPS chip because Apple has been
somewhat vague about the specs (can anyone figure out if it will read PDF's).
Looks to be a general 50/50 split between it does and doesn't. I'm giving
iSteve the benefit of the doubt in that they were wise enough to include it.
Then again, no camera and the iPhone OS. Maybe not. :P
Michael (I'll shut up now on the subject)
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Sausen On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Not sure which way you were arguing this so I thought I would clarify my statement.
:D
The iPhone/iPad both have fully functioning GPS's, the only difference is the
iPhone and iFemineProduct w/cellular can use Assisted GPS which is just a fancy
way for looking up the cell towers coordinates it has a lock on so it can tell
the GPS to "start here" for the satellites overhead and give you the dot on
the map faster.
Quazi location based lookup via WiFi is VERY hit and miss and, as you said, requires
the MAC of the access point to be officially registered with location
or else it will default to the owner of the IP range and where they say you are.
Which in the case of Charter and my house, that's about a 40 mile difference.
Lots of different technologies being mixed together just so the p0rn adds in
your browser can tell you about the hot singles in "insert your location" town.
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm durn sure that those women do not
exist where they say they do!
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Exactly. The GPS in an iphone is a real GPS. If you don't
have an iphone with a GPS, then it uses cellular and
Wi-Fi info to approximate position. Skyhook is a company
that will take your GPS coordinate of your Access Points,
and you can send them lists from all over town if you wish,
from war driving, or from your home/company. Then if your
ipod touch or iphone is receiving Wi-Fi from that MAC address,
it will show that as your location. I sent Skyhook my home
AP's mac addresses and then my ipod touch (no GPS) would
show the proper location.
So, using Cellphone data and Wi-Fi is the NON-GPS way to
find location. When the iphone uses GPS, it's really
using GPS....so you don't need to be in range of anything
ground-based to use it. I used my iphone GPS over Montana
at 10-16,000' and it worked great.
And of course the other option that I've mentioned before
is for ANY of the devices (maybe later the iTampon too),
if you jailbreak it, you can get ROQYBT bluetooth stack
and then use that to connect to a bluetooth GPS. This
way even your measly ipod touch can have true GPS
to show your real position.
Neat stuff, for sure. It'll be interesting what the
iTampon really offers....if it offers true GPS that would
be great. I'm sure the thing will be jailbroken within
a few weeks of release too, so many cool things would
come at that point.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
>
> <snip>If you get the $130 3G option, then you will have a true GPS as well.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Tim,
I understood the iPad comes "unlocked". Would it still require
jailbreak to do what you propose?
>
Tom
Do not archive
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
I would like the iPad with wings for greater protection during heavier
flowing weather months.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
So now we can cay our iPad's have wings when we use them
in the plane, too. :) I think you're right...the 3G
was the first model with GPS.
Hopefully your iPad will be more useful than one week
every 28 days though.
Hmmm, that coincides with chart cycles too...28 days... interesting.
iPad/iPon, whatever...
Tim
Danny Riggs wrote:
> The top end model I-Pad (still can't say that with a straight face) is
> stated to have a real GPS. My first I-Phone got location from the cell
> towers and whichever WiFi it could bootleg off of. The 3G went to a true
> GPS. At least that's my understanding!
>
> > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:59:37 -0600
> > From: Tim@myrv10.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> >
> > Exactly. The GPS in an iphone is a real GPS. If you don't
> > have an iphone with a GPS, then it uses cellular and
> > Wi-Fi info to approximate position. Skyhook is a company
> > that will take your GPS coordinate of your Access Points,
> > and you can send them lists from all over town if you wish,
> > from war driving, or from your home/company. Then if your
> > ipod touch or iphone is receiving Wi-Fi from that MAC address,
> > it will show that as your location. I sent Skyhook my home
> > AP's mac addresses and then my ipod touch (no GPS) would
> > show the proper location.
> >
> > So, using Cellphone data and Wi-Fi is the NON-GPS way to
> > find location. When the iphone uses GPS, it's really
> > using GPS....so you don't need to be in range of anything
> > ground-based to use it. I used my iphone GPS over Montana
> > at 10-16,000' and it worked great.
> >
> > And of course the other option that I've mentioned before
> > is for ANY of the devices (maybe later the iTampon too),
> > if you jailbreak it, you can get ROQYBT bluetooth stack
> > and then use that to connect to a bluetooth GPS. This
> > way even your measly ipod touch can have true GPS
> > to show your real position.
> >
> > Neat stuff, for sure. It'll be interesting what the
> > iTampon really offers....if it offers true GPS that would
> > be great. I'm sure the thing will be jailbroken within
> > a few weeks of release too, so many cool things would
> > come at that point.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> >
> >
> >
> > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > >
> > > That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> > > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:32 AM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> > >
<jesse@saintaviation.com>
> > >
> > > <snip>If you get the $130 3G option, then you will have a true GPS
> as well.
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > > Jesse Saint
> > > Saint Aviation, Inc.
> > > jesse@saintaviation.com
> > > Cell: 352-427-0285
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> Hotmail: Free201469228/direct/01/' target='_new'>Get it now.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Just got my quote for 2010. Same price as last year with
Global. But, AIG's quote went up about $150-200. I
asked about it and they said that the rates went up
this year, but we'll only notice on new quotes...renewals
are coming in the same. So I had decreases every year
until now...and now it's flat.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Unlocking is just making it carrier independent.
Jailbreaking is hacking it so that you can use the OTHER
app stores and download or buy some of the other apps that
are available but not through apple. There are many many
cool things available that you can't get from Apple, hence
the urge to jailbreak. That bluetooth GPS stack is just
one of them.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Tom Koelzer wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I understood the iPad comes "unlocked". Would it still require
> jailbreak to do what you propose?
> Tom
>
> Do not archive
>
> *
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Darn sure none of the women around here look that good.
Well=2C ummmm=2C except for the wives and girlfriends of course!
> From: rvbuilder@sausen.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Mon=2C 1 Feb 2010 15:47:49 -0600
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
@sausen.net>
>
> Not sure which way you were arguing this so I thought I would clarify m
y statement. :D
>
> The iPhone/iPad both have fully functioning GPS's=2C the only differenc
e is the iPhone and iFemineProduct w/cellular can use Assisted GPS which is
just a fancy way for looking up the cell towers coordinates it has a lock
on so it can tell the GPS to "start here" for the satellites overhead and g
ive you the dot on the map faster.
>
> Quazi location based lookup via WiFi is VERY hit and miss and=2C as you
said=2C requires the MAC of the access point to be officially registered w
ith location or else it will default to the owner of the IP range and where
they say you are. Which in the case of Charter and my house=2C that's abo
ut a 40 mile difference.
>
> Lots of different technologies being mixed together just so the p0rn ad
ds in your browser can tell you about the hot singles in "insert your locat
ion" town. I don't know about the rest of you but I'm durn sure that those
women do not exist where they say they do!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday=2C February 01=2C 2010 3:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
>
> Exactly. The GPS in an iphone is a real GPS. If you don't
> have an iphone with a GPS=2C then it uses cellular and
> Wi-Fi info to approximate position. Skyhook is a company
> that will take your GPS coordinate of your Access Points=2C
> and you can send them lists from all over town if you wish=2C
> from war driving=2C or from your home/company. Then if your
> ipod touch or iphone is receiving Wi-Fi from that MAC address=2C
> it will show that as your location. I sent Skyhook my home
> AP's mac addresses and then my ipod touch (no GPS) would
> show the proper location.
>
> So=2C using Cellphone data and Wi-Fi is the NON-GPS way to
> find location. When the iphone uses GPS=2C it's really
> using GPS....so you don't need to be in range of anything
> ground-based to use it. I used my iphone GPS over Montana
> at 10-16=2C000' and it worked great.
>
> And of course the other option that I've mentioned before
> is for ANY of the devices (maybe later the iTampon too)=2C
> if you jailbreak it=2C you can get ROQYBT bluetooth stack
> and then use that to connect to a bluetooth GPS. This
> way even your measly ipod touch can have true GPS
> to show your real position.
>
> Neat stuff=2C for sure. It'll be interesting what the
> iTampon really offers....if it offers true GPS that would
> be great. I'm sure the thing will be jailbroken within
> a few weeks of release too=2C so many cool things would
> come at that point.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
er@sausen.net>
> >
> > That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> > Sent: Monday=2C February 01=2C 2010 10:32 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
> >
> >
> > <snip>If you get the $130 3G option=2C then you will have a true GPS as
well.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Jesse Saint
> > Saint Aviation=2C Inc.
> > jesse@saintaviation.com
> > Cell: 352-427-0285
> > Fax: 815-377-3694
> >
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
What I understood from the "unlocked" was that we can now use other carrier
s than just AT&T. That will be a good start!
From: 40950@rv10.net
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Tim=2C
I understood the iPad comes "unlocked". Would it still require jailbreak t
o do what you propose?
Tom
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| Subject: | FS: Bose Aviation Headset X |
Genetlemen -
I have a barely-used mint condition Bose headset that needs a new home.
Nothing wrong with it, we just have more headsets than seats.
$850 Shipped CONUS.
Neal E. George
2023 Everglades Drive
Navarre, FL 32566
H - 850-515-0640
C - 850-218-4838
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| Subject: | Re: OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
I don't know if this was already covered, but what I read was that the GPS is built
into the 3G chipset, so the models (any one of them) that has the 3G feature,
will also have the actual GPS feature. It will be interesting to see if
they allow more Bluetooth devices like the GPS that Tim was mentioning. They
are going to work with Bluetooth keyboards, so they may have other functionality
as well, as they should.
They are already going to be unlocked, so you should be able to get 3G service
from providers other than AT&T, as long as they are compatible (I remember somebody
mentioning that some 3G services are a different frequency).
As to the altitude that somebody mentioned, I can't imagine they will have any
problem at altitudes above 10,000, since it is all solid state.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Feb 1, 2010, at 2:17 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> That statement doesn't make sense to me. Can you elaborate?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:32 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
>
>
> <snip>If you get the $130 3G option, then you will have a true GPS as well.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
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| Subject: | Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X |
Battery powered or aircraft powered? Is there even that option?
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal George
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X
Genetlemen -
I have a barely-used mint condition Bose headset that needs a new
home.
Nothing wrong with it, we just have more headsets than seats.
$850 Shipped CONUS.
Neal E. George
2023 Everglades Drive
Navarre, FL 32566
H - 850-515-0640
C - 850-218-4838
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| Subject: | FS: Bose Aviation Headset X |
Oops - thanks Sean -
Battery powered, common GA plugs, straight cord.
Battery powered or aircraft powered? Is there even that option?
Genetlemen -
I have a barely-used mint condition Bose headset that needs a new home.
Nothing wrong with it, we just have more headsets than seats.
$850 Shipped CONUS.
Neal E. George
2023 Everglades Drive
Navarre, FL 32566
H - 850-515-0640
C - 850-218-4838
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| Subject: | Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X |
You can buy cords from Bose if you have the need, mine are acft powered....I miss
them when I fly in another airplane, the panel powered ones are sweet and much
less cumbersome than the battery powered ones, my RV-10 has plugs for both
types wired in for the front seats...the Bose powered jacks are a single locking
plug and very neat...the wires are teeny tiny though so you need to observe
good strain relief and solder techniques.
Rick Sked
N246RS
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel |
Although I'm not flying yet, can't comment on how this will work out.
However, I added an acces panel of my own doing. See attached link to
picasa site. http://picasaweb.google.com/rcnewman64 click on folder
for "fuel pump and access door" Note, I'm using the andair fuel pump
and have moved the filters/gas colators to the wing. I'm not planning
on needing to get into the pump area except for inspections.
Bob Newman
40176
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From: jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Filter Service - Access Panel
I was thinking about how difficult it is to service the fuel filter.
First, just to get at it there is a pile of work in removing the tunnel
cover. Some have split the tunnel cover so it isn't necessary to remove
the entire cover to inspect the tunnel, great idea, for those still
building this should be considered. Others have installed an access
panel in the side of the tunnel in the foot well. This allows easier
access to the fuel filter and fuel pump. One of the things I really
dislike about servicing the fuel filter is that you have to break the
fuel lines, and this causes some fuel to spill. Add insulation to soak
up the fuel and you have a recipe for disaster, so you need to use a box
of rags to keep the fuel from getting all over the place.
So here is what I was thinking, I wished that when we built the
airplane we would have installed an access panel on the bottom of the
airplane that we could have reached up through to get at the fuel
filter. This would have been much easier during construction.... An
alternative would be to install a second fuel filter, and place both
filters at the tank exits under the wing walk access panel.
I post this simply to get those who are still building to think about
how they will service the fuel filter. Not sure how we will modify our
airplane to simplify the task.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying
4 Partner Build #40617
Tony Kolar - Kyle Hokel - Wayne Elsner - Jason Kreidler
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| Subject: | Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable |
Is there a good way to unspiral the sheath around the cable. I want to remove
about 4 inches of sheath so I can attach the shortened push/pull cable to the
parking brake.
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable |
Pull the cable back past the cut point...NOT ALL the way...use a dremel cut off
wheel then clean up the plastic with an Xacto knife
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Subject: RV10-List: Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable
Is there a good way to unspiral the sheath around the cable. I want to remove
about 4 inches of sheath so I can attach the shortened push/pull cable to the
parking brake.
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable |
Rick
Thanks. Once you explain it, it seems so obvious. But until now, I sure didn't
see it.
Tom
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| Subject: | Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable |
Try smashing the sheath with a pair of needle nose pliers at the place
you want to cut. (Or closer to the end to test this method with your
sheath)
That'll spread the sheath a bit without damaging the internal cable.
Then you can use something (I've used a dremel) to cut the sheath where
it is spread open.
Phil
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From: tomhanaway [mailto:tomhanaway@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable
Is there a good way to unspiral the sheath around the cable. I want to
remove about 4 inches of sheath so I can attach the shortened push/pull
cable to the parking brake.
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X |
I made up bracket for both battery jacks and aircraft powered for
mounting on the sidewalls just ahead of the front seats.
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=0&log'458&row=1
Had the wiring harness done as part of my FastStack package - glad I
avoided having to wire the powered jack.
I never occurred to me that cords are available from Bose. I was
dreaming of getting another pair when the '10 was flying but changing
cords sounds like the way to go as long as they are <$500. Thanks for that.
Bill
ricksked@cox.net wrote:
> You can buy cords from Bose if you have the need, mine are acft
> powered....I miss them when I fly in another airplane, the panel
> powered ones are sweet and much less cumbersome than the battery
> powered ones, my RV-10 has plugs for both types wired in for the front
> seats...the Bose powered jacks are a single locking plug and very
> neat...the wires are teeny tiny though so you need to observe good
> strain relief and solder techniques.
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| Subject: | OT - I want one - Apple iPad |
Problem with that is it is using a new "micro" sim card. Wanna guess who h
e only carrier is using that sim type for the moment.....
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
What I understood from the "unlocked" was that we can now use other carrier
s than just AT&T. That will be a good start!
________________________________
From: 40950@rv10.net
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - I want one - Apple iPad
Tim,
I understood the iPad comes "unlocked". Would it still require jailbreak t
o do what you propose?
Tom
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| Subject: | FS: Bose Aviation Headset X |
As an FYI I just purchased two Bose. one new in sealed box and the
second used but looks good/works as new. $1,400 delivered. Private
party.
Both battery powered.
Robin
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Sent: Mon 2/1/2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X
Battery powered or aircraft powered? Is there even that option?
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal George <mailto:n8zg@mchsi.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X
Genetlemen -
I have a barely-used mint condition Bose headset that needs a new home.
Nothing wrong with it, we just have more headsets than seats.
$850 Shipped CONUS.
Neal E. George
2023 Everglades Drive
Navarre, FL 32566
H - 850-515-0640
C - 850-218-4838
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| Subject: | Re: Trimming sheath off Matco push pull brake cable |
If you're talking of the 'choke cable' type, you can unwind it. Clamp
in a vise and unwind. Use a sharp edge file to create a fracture point
and then break by bending back and forth.
Linn
tomhanaway wrote:
>
> Is there a good way to unspiral the sheath around the cable. I want to remove
about 4 inches of sheath so I can attach the shortened push/pull cable to the
parking brake.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hanaway
> Boynton Beach, FL
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=284510#284510
>
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| Subject: | Re: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X |
That's funny. I just noticed the "genitalmen" on the first email. Was
this on purpose?
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 1, 2010, at 20:37, "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com> wrote:
> As an FYI I just purchased two Bose. one new in sealed box and the
> second used but looks good/works as new. $1,400 delivered. Private
> party.
> Both battery powered.
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
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> Sent: Mon 2/1/2010 6:34 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X
>
>
> Battery powered or aircraft powered? Is there even that option?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Neal George <mailto:n8zg@mchsi.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:15 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: FS: Bose Aviation Headset X
>
>
> Genetlemen -
>
>
> I have a barely-used mint condition Bose headset that needs a new
> home.
>
> Nothing wrong with it, we just have more headsets than seats.
>
> $850 Shipped CONUS.
>
>
> Neal E. George
>
> 2023 Everglades Drive
>
> Navarre, FL 32566
>
> H - 850-515-0640
>
> C - 850-218-4838
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance 2010 |
I had the exact same experience. The last two years no one could compete with AIG
but this year Global Express beat them out and AIG went up in price. When I
asked their answer was inflation. For me, it was just a renewal and it went up
a couple of hundred bucks.
Oh well, not like I have too much of a choice.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 3:23:34 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Insurance 2010
Just got my quote for 2010. Same price as last year with
Global. But, AIG's quote went up about $150-200. I
asked about it and they said that the rates went up
this year, but we'll only notice on new quotes...renewals
are coming in the same. So I had decreases every year
until now...and now it's flat.
-- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance 2010 |
Property and Casualty insurance has a long history of being cyclical.
Historically the 'periods' between cycles averaged 7 years. the past
couple of decades the cycles have been more dramatic and exaggerated.
Its a long and complicated, story, but it is linked to the amount of
capital in the insurance marketplace. The capital is largely controlled
by the reinsurance marketplace. We may be seeing the beginning of a hard
(rising prices) market. My policy is out for market (renewal in April).
I should be seeing some numbers in the next 30 days. My current policy
is w/ Starr, they are a managing general agent, (MGA) that does the
underwriting, and Berkshire Hathaway & Chubb provide the 'insurance'.
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
On 2/1/2010 10:44 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I had the exact same experience. The last two years no one could
> compete with AIG but this year Global Express beat them out and AIG
> went up in price. When I asked their answer was inflation. For me, it
> was just a renewal and it went up a couple of hundred bucks.
> Oh well, not like I have too much of a choice.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Mon, February 1, 2010 3:23:34 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Insurance 2010
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance 2010 |
Given AIG's recent experience, When they go to buy reinsurance (think of
it as laying off a portion of your bet). They are undoubtedly considered
a much higher credit risk and therefore are having to pay more for their
reinsurance, which in turn gets reflected in the price of their policies.
Deems Davis
N519PJ
www.deemsrv10.com
On 2/1/2010 10:44 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I had the exact same experience. The last two years no one could
> compete with AIG but this year Global Express beat them out and AIG
> went up in price. When I asked their answer was inflation. For me, it
> was just a renewal and it went up a couple of hundred bucks.
> Oh well, not like I have too much of a choice.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Mon, February 1, 2010 3:23:34 PM
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Insurance 2010
>
> *
>
>
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your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
rv10-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
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The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
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Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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