RV10-List Digest Archive

Tue 02/09/10


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:46 AM - Re: Re: storing componets (Rick Lark)
     2. 05:20 AM - Scuff protectors (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
     3. 05:56 AM - Re: Installing main gear leg fairings first (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
     4. 06:03 AM - Re: Scuff protectors (Rene Felker)
     5. 06:20 AM - Re: Scuff protectors (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
     6. 06:33 AM - Re: Scuff protectors (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     7. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: RV-10 Cutaway Drawing (Pascal)
     8. 09:56 AM - vibration in mains on roll out (Wyatt Prunty)
     9. 09:58 AM - Re: fiberglass tips (David Maib)
    10. 10:34 AM - Re: vibration in mains on roll out (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    11. 01:27 PM - New Door Latch Replacement (Lee Otto)
    12. 02:10 PM - XM WX Price Increase (Robin Marks)
    13. 02:22 PM - Re: vibration in mains on roll out (Rob Kermanj)
    14. 03:17 PM - Re: vibration in mains on roll out (John Gonzalez)
    15. 03:25 PM - Re: wiring (Ron B.)
    16. 04:21 PM - Re: vibration in mains on roll out (jkreidler)
    17. 05:03 PM - Cylinder Temp Range (Robin Marks)
    18. 05:20 PM - Re: Cylinder Temp Range (Tim Olson)
    19. 05:29 PM - Re: Cylinder Temp Range (John Cumins)
    20. 06:04 PM - Re: XM WX Price Increase (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    21. 06:55 PM - Re: XM WX Price Increase (Tim Olson)
    22. 06:55 PM - Re: XM WX Price Increase (Bob Turner)
    23. 07:25 PM - Re: Cylinder Temp Range (Kelly McMullen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:46:45 AM PST US
    From: "Rick Lark" <jrlark@bmts.com>
    Subject: Re: storing componets
    Never thought of that, Thx Rick...... do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: <ricksked@cox.net> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: storing componets > > Rick, > > Cover up the lighting holes with tape before storing or you may get bee > nests or other creatures making their home in your parts...Ask me how I > know... > > Rick Sked > N246RS > Flyin > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Rick Lark" <jrlark@bmts.com> > Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:23:27 > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: storing componets > > > Thx Wayne. Yes I am having a lot of fun. I've been a woodworker the last > 30 years or so, so this is quite different. I do enjoy building things, > anything, doesn't matter. > > My attic is spacious, about 1200sq ft, with a floor to ridge height of > 11', > so there is lots of circulation. > > I just started the HS, so I have a long way to go, and just ordered the > standard wing kit Jan 25th. Looks like you've ordered the whole kit at > once? I considerd that but decided I didn't know enough about building to > commit to it all. > > Thx for your advise. > > Regards, Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:34 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Re: storing componets > > >> >> Goodmorning Rick. Yes, I would recommend removing it. It will be more >> difficult to remove the longer it stays on. I removed blue vinyl from all >> parts of my complete kit except skins. Actually my kids did most of them. >> You may want to ensure there is good air circulation around the pieces >> with nothing to trap condensation with temp changes in the spring. >> Working >> on tailcone myself. Have fun! >> >> -------- >> Wayne Gillispie >> A&amp;P 5/93, PPC 10/08 >> Grayson, KY >> Bldr# 40983 >> Ordered complete kit 8/24/09 >> DB Schenker delivered 11/20/09 >> Starting empennage 12/01/09 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285327#285327 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 05:20:40 AM PST US
    From: cloudvalley@comcast.net
    Subject: Scuff protectors
    Hello, =C2-Does anyone know where I can get those see-through vinyl type=C2-sc uff protectors=C2-that they use on the nose wheel to protect against tow- bar nicks and such? Thanks. Brian Preston


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    Time: 05:56:48 AM PST US
    From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Installing main gear leg fairings first
    I have had to fly with my wheel pants off before and attached to the fuselage fairing , the alignment is maintained . Do not let anyone tow your main gear over an oversized chock. It will severely damage the wheel fairing. Robert Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 520 Lawrence St. Corpus Christi, Texas 78401 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, all... I'm planning on doing my landing gear fairings after I'm > flying. That said, while I have the fuselage raised for installing > the gear legs, I'd like to do the main gear leg fairings only, so I > don't have to jack it up again later. How feasible do you think > it'd be to do the main gear fairings before doing the main gear > pants? From looking at the plans, it seems that If I attach the > upper intersection (leg-to-fuselage) fairing, it'll fix the gear leg > fairing in the correct alignment. Only thing I can see being a > problem is not knowing if the fairing needs to slide up or down the > leg, since the pant is not installed. Anyone think this would work? > > Thanks... > > -Rob > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > >


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    Time: 06:03:14 AM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: Scuff protectors
    http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1265724068-294-76 2 <http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1265724068-294-7 62&browse=misc&product=uhmwtape> &browse=misc&product=uhmwtape This is what I usedbut have managed to beat up the fairing. Rene 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:15 AM Subject: RV10-List: Scuff protectors Hello, Does anyone know where I can get those see-through vinyl type scuff protectors that they use on the nose wheel to protect against tow-bar nicks and such? Thanks. Brian Preston 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D


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    Time: 06:20:08 AM PST US
    From: cloudvalley@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Scuff protectors
    Hello Rene, =C2-Thanks! Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2010 6:02:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: RV10-List: Scuff protectors http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1265724068-294-762& browse=misc&product=uhmwtape This is what I usedbut have managed to beat up the fairin g. Rene 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:15 AM Subject: RV10-List: Scuff protectors Hello, =C2-Does anyone know where I can get those see-through vinyl type=C2-sc uff protectors=C2-that they use on the nose wheel to protect against tow- bar nicks and such? Thanks. Brian Preston =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ht ========= === === http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= === === http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= === === http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= === === http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matron === === === http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= === === http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= === === http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ============= === ==


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    Time: 06:33:57 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Scuff protectors
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    Time: 08:27:51 AM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: RV-10 Cutaway Drawing
    When I viewed the website initially I saw the higher pricing, including the higher S&H fees, turns out to be a difference of $53 with the new pricing. >From $80 delivered to $132 delivered. I actually thought there was a deal in this for us with better pricing so I jumped on it. http://www.vansairforce.net/graphics/Cutaway.pdf -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@myrv10.com> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Cutaway Drawing > > FWIW, I just got an email from these people and apparently > they changed their pricing. If I read their email the price > is now $100 for the 24x36 print. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > Bob Leffler wrote: >> |To order, just send an email to tjtechart@comcast.net >> <mailto:tjtechart@comcast.net> Let Tom know which model you want and >> whether you want a limited edition or an open edition print. If you want >> an open edition, let us know if you want an 18x24 or 24x36. No money is >> collected until the project starts.| >> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny Riggs >> *Sent:* Monday, February 08, 2010 9:11 AM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Cutaway Drawing >> >> Wow! Where do you sign up for one of these?? Dan >> >>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Cutaway Drawing >>> From: rv@thelefflers.com >>> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 05:04:56 -0800 >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> >>> >>> John, >>> >>> I've been told that Tom looks for about 60 of the giclee prints or >> several hundred of the standard prints. As I understand, he has about ten >> orders for the RV-10. >>> >>> Tom was cc'd on my email, plus I let him know that I was posting to >> the forum. Hopefully, he'll drop by and add some comments. >>> >>> bob >>> >>> -------- >>> Bob Leffler >>> N410BL - Fuselage >>> RV-10 #40684 >>> mykitlog.com/rleffler >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285321#285321 >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up >> now. >> >> * * >> >> * * >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://forums.matronics.com* >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> ** >> >> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* >> >> ** >> >> * * >> >> * >> >> >> * > > >


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    Time: 09:56:19 AM PST US
    From: "Wyatt Prunty" <wprunty@sewanee.edu>
    Subject: vibration in mains on roll out
    I have written about this once before and have talked with the factory several times. I have rebalanced the tires, changed to new and better tires (Customs) and dynamically balanced those plus checked for true roundness. I have balanced the wheel covers, have installed a new axel for the nose, a new nose strut (which brought the nose up and did help), and have installed a washer under the doenuts to raise the nose a bit more. I also installed new doenuts at 300 hours, have gone back to flying with 60lbs in the back if only one or two people are in the plane. I land with full flaps, flare with a little power in and stick all the way back, (on final, the plane feels like a balloon, or the hand of God sustaining you), but after touch-down and just as the speed goes under 40mph on roll out the mains shutter. They shutter a lot if you apply the brakes, especially if you are rolling down hill when you apply the brakes. They shutter none or very little (now, after doing the above) if the day is calm enough for a full falp landing and you just hold the stick back and roll out. This seems the be an issue with the angle from which weight rests on the mains, and the change in that angle as the plane slows, also perhaps a loss of pressure on the elevator, letting the nose sink a little more. (I have checked the brakes repeatedly for wear and/or sticking and seen no signs of that.) The whole thing reminds me of being on a train when the brakes are applied and your chest and head are thrown forward, minus a few obvious differences . . . . Usually the train doesn't vibrate. I still have a second washer that I could install to get a little more up attitude for the nose, which should retard dip in the nose, such dip seeming to coincide with the onset of vibration. Otherwise I am out of ideas, so write you guys. Question: Anyone else had vibration in the mains upon roll out and/or braking? Given everything already done to address this vibration, is raising the nose a bit more in fact the next step? Wisdoms welcomed. In all fairness I should add that this is the nicest flying plane I have encountered, though the RV 6-A is a complete angel too, and the 6 I have flown has no vibration on roll out. Both planes, of course, have round, tube-like struts similar to what I have seen on some Cessnas, dancing like Fred Astaire chasing Ginger Rogers down the runway. Wyatt N814BW


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    Time: 09:58:38 AM PST US
    From: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: fiberglass tips
    I had great luck with Click Bond nutplates wherever I used them. You must follow the prep instructions closely and use the two part epoxy they recommend. They are a bit pricey, but worth it in certain locations. David Maib 40559 flying On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: What are your thoughts of using clickbond nutplates to avoid having all the rivet holes in the fiberglass? On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote: > I've had mine off many times. Mine have landing lights, strobes, nav > lights, two antennas, and a magnetometer in them. The OAT probes > and AOA > ports are just inboard. Plus you get a really nice view inside the > wing for > inspections. > > I used the standard construction without any reinforcement and they're > holding up very well. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell


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    Time: 10:34:30 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: vibration in mains on roll out
    Na.... no one else has seen that before. :) Seriously though, LOTS of disc ussion on this subject in the past and a good search of the archives will n et you discussions on many of the things you have already tried. Recently there was discussion on the toe in/out and how easy it was to end up with w ildly varying toe measurements with just a little movement when drilling th e mains. Might be worth checking your toe adjustment. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Wyatt Prunty Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: RV10-List: vibration in mains on roll out I have written about this once before and have talked with the factory seve ral times. I have rebalanced the tires, changed to new and better tires (C ustoms) and dynamically balanced those plus checked for true roundness. I have balanced the wheel covers, have installed a new axel for the nose, a n ew nose strut (which brought the nose up and did help), and have installed a washer under the doenuts to raise the nose a bit more. I also installed new doenuts at 300 hours, have gone back to flying with 60lbs in the back i f only one or two people are in the plane. I land with full flaps, flare w ith a little power in and stick all the way back, (on final, the plane feel s like a balloon, or the hand of God sustaining you), but after touch-down and just as the speed goes under 40mph on roll out the mains shutter. They shutter a lot if you apply the brakes, especially if you are rolling down hill when you apply the brakes. They shutter none or very little (now, aft er doing the above) if the day is calm enough for a full falp landing and y ou just hold the stick back and roll out. This seems the be an issue with the angle from which weight rests on the mains, and the change in that angl e as the plane slows, also perhaps a loss of pressure on the elevator, lett ing the nose sink a little more. (I have checked the brakes repeatedly for wear and/or sticking and seen no signs of that.) The whole thing reminds me of being on a train when the brakes are applied and your chest and head are thrown forward, minus a few obvious differences . . . . Usually the tra in doesn't vibrate. I still have a second washer that I could install to get a little more up a ttitude for the nose, which should retard dip in the nose, such dip seeming to coincide with the onset of vibration. Otherwise I am out of ideas, so write you guys. Question: Anyone else had vibration in the mains upon roll out and/or brak ing? Given everything already done to address this vibration, is raising t he nose a bit more in fact the next step? Wisdoms welcomed. In all fairness I should add that this is the nicest flying plane I have en countered, though the RV 6-A is a complete angel too, and the 6 I have flow n has no vibration on roll out. Both planes, of course, have round, tube-l ike struts similar to what I have seen on some Cessnas, dancing like Fred A staire chasing Ginger Rogers down the runway. Wyatt N814BW


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    Time: 01:27:50 PM PST US
    From: "Lee Otto" <lotto@ciembroidery.com>
    Subject: New Door Latch Replacement
    Sean, Do you know if your new door latch system will work with the "I fly RV-10.com" billet flush outside door handles? Best, Lee Otto Working on Cabin Top lotto@ciembroidery.com


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    Time: 02:10:52 PM PST US
    Subject: XM WX Price Increase
    From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
    Snip: In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon your next renewal. I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save a few $. Robin


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    Time: 02:22:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: vibration in mains on roll out
    From: Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
    I had the same problem with my 6 and I fasted wood stiffeners the same length as the gear leg under the gear fairing and the problem went away. I have not tried it on my 10 since my problem shows up with passengers in the back only and it is not that bad. Do not archive On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:30 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote: > Na. no one else has seen that before. :) Seriously though, LOTS of > discussion on this subject in the past and a good search of the archives > will net you discussions on many of the things you have already tried. > Recently there was discussion on the toe in/out and how easy it was to end > up with wildly varying toe measurements with just a little movement when > drilling the mains. Might be worth checking your toe adjustment. > > > Michael > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wyatt Prunty > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:53 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: vibration in mains on roll out > > > I have written about this once before and have talked with the factory > several times. I have rebalanced the tires, changed to new and better tires > (Customs) and dynamically balanced those plus checked for true roundness. > Ihave balanced the wheel covers, have installed a new axel for the nose, a > new nose strut (which brought the nose up and did help), and have installed > a washer under the doenuts to raise the nose a bit more. I also installed > new doenuts at 300 hours, have gone back to flying with 60lbs in the back if > only one or two people are in the plane.Iland with full flaps, flare with > a little power in andstick all the way back, (on final, the plane feels > like a balloon, or the hand of God sustaining you), but after touch-down and > just as the speed goes under 40mph on roll out the mains shutter. They > shutter a lot if you apply the brakes, especially if you are rolling down > hill when you apply the brakes. They shutter none or very little (now, > after doing the above) if the day is calm enough for a full falp landing and > you just hold the stick back and roll out. This seems the be an issue with > the angle from whichweight rests on the mains, and the change in that angle > as the plane slows, also perhaps a loss of pressure on the elevator, letting > the nose sink a little more. (I have checked the brakes repeatedly for wear > and/or sticking and seen no signs of that.) The whole thing reminds meof > being on a train when the brakes are applied and your chest and headare > thrown forward, minusa few obvious differences . . . . Usually the train > doesn't vibrate. > > > I still have a second washer that I could install to get a little more up > attitude for the nose, which should retard dip in the nose, such dip seeming > to coincide withthe onset of vibration. Otherwise Iam out of ideas, so > write you guys. > > > Question: Anyone else had vibration in the mains upon roll out and/or > braking?Given everything already done to address this vibration, is > raising the nose a bit morein factthe next step? Wisdoms welcomed. > > > In all fairness Ishould add that this is the nicest flying plane I have > encountered, though the RV 6-Ais a completeangel too, and the6 I have > flown has no vibration on roll out. Both planes, of course, have round, > tube-like struts similar to what I have seen on some Cessnas,dancing like > Fred Astaire chasing Ginger Rogers down the runway. > > > Wyatt N814BW > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > -- Rob Kermanj


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    Time: 03:17:36 PM PST US
    From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: vibration in mains on roll out
    Harmonic dampning...wood stiffners? Crutches for Tiny Tim. I will be so upset if I have this problem > Date: Tue=2C 9 Feb 2010 17:21:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: RV10-List: vibration in mains on roll out > From: flysrv10@gmail.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > I had the same problem with my 6 and I fasted wood stiffeners the same > length as the gear leg under the gear fairing and the problem went > away. > > I have not tried it on my 10 since my problem shows up with passengers > in the back only and it is not that bad. > > Do not archive > > On Tue=2C Feb 9=2C 2010 at 1:30 PM=2C RV Builder (Michael Sausen) > <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote: > > Na=85. no one else has seen that before. :) Seriously though=2C LOTS o f > > discussion on this subject in the past and a good search of the archive s > > will net you discussions on many of the things you have already tried. > > Recently there was discussion on the toe in/out and how easy it was to end > > up with wildly varying toe measurements with just a little movement whe n > > drilling the mains. Might be worth checking your toe adjustment. > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wyatt Prunty > > Sent: Tuesday=2C February 09=2C 2010 11:53 AM > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV10-List: vibration in mains on roll out > > > > > > > > I have written about this once before and have talked with the factory > > several times. I have rebalanced the tires=2C changed to new and bette r tires > > (Customs) and dynamically balanced those plus checked for true roundnes s. > > I have balanced the wheel covers=2C have installed a new axel for the n ose=2C a > > new nose strut (which brought the nose up and did help)=2C and have ins talled > > a washer under the doenuts to raise the nose a bit more. I also instal led > > new doenuts at 300 hours=2C have gone back to flying with 60lbs in the back if > > only one or two people are in the plane. I land with full flaps=2C fla re with > > a little power in and stick all the way back=2C (on final=2C the plane feels > > like a balloon=2C or the hand of God sustaining you)=2C but after touch -down and > > just as the speed goes under 40mph on roll out the mains shutter. They > > shutter a lot if you apply the brakes=2C especially if you are rolling down > > hill when you apply the brakes. They shutter none or very little (now =2C > > after doing the above) if the day is calm enough for a full falp landin g and > > you just hold the stick back and roll out. This seems the be an issue with > > the angle from which weight rests on the mains=2C and the change in tha t angle > > as the plane slows=2C also perhaps a loss of pressure on the elevator =2C letting > > the nose sink a little more. (I have checked the brakes repeatedly for wear > > and/or sticking and seen no signs of that.) The whole thing reminds me of > > being on a train when the brakes are applied and your chest and head ar e > > thrown forward=2C minus a few obvious differences . . . . Usually the t rain > > doesn't vibrate. > > > > > > > > I still have a second washer that I could install to get a little more up > > attitude for the nose=2C which should retard dip in the nose=2C such di p seeming > > to coincide with the onset of vibration. Otherwise I am out of ideas =2C so > > write you guys. > > > > > > > > Question: Anyone else had vibration in the mains upon roll out and/or > > braking? Given everything already done to address this vibration=2C is > > raising the nose a bit more in fact the next step? Wisdoms welcomed. > > > > > > > > In all fairness I should add that this is the nicest flying plane I hav e > > encountered=2C though the RV 6-A is a complete angel too=2C and the 6 I have > > flown has no vibration on roll out. Both planes=2C of course=2C have r ound=2C > > tube-like struts similar to what I have seen on some Cessnas=2C dancing like > > Fred Astaire chasing Ginger Rogers down the runway. > > > > > > > > Wyatt N814BW > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > > > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rob Kermanj > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 03:25:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: wiring
    From: "Ron B." <cfxoa@klis.com>
    Thanks Larry The eye bolt does not go up into the extrusion that far so it does not become a problem. Weakening the extrusion is my only concern. With the extrusion a snap bushing would not snap into place. A alternative method of protection would have to be provided. Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285723#285723


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    Time: 04:21:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: vibration in mains on roll out
    From: "jkreidler" <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
    We had this same issue, turns out our axle nuts needed to be tightened. Try re-torquing the axle nuts. -------- Jason Kreidler 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying - #40617 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285737#285737


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    Time: 05:03:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Cylinder Temp Range
    From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
    It's hard for those that know me on the list to believe I am about to ask this question but... How low is too low for CHT's? As many of know I have been battling high CHT's due to my cowl/plenum configuration. Recently I have been flying LOP which has greatly reduced my CHT's which was the goal all along. I now have significant control over CHT's when LOP as a function of that funny red knob. My question is how low is too low to run cylinders? I have read pretty consistently about shock cooling and to keep the cylinder temp change under 50 degrees / minute but I don't find any consistent numbers on the bottom end of the cylinder temperature operation range. Is 320 acceptable? I read about some pilots in cold regions running in the low 200's (mostly 4 cyl. Lycoming). That seems unreasonably low to me. Heck, with the James cowl and plenum I am able to get to low 200's just by opening the hangar door. Robin


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    Time: 05:20:40 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Cylinder Temp Range
    320's should be fantastic. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Robin Marks wrote: > Its hard for those that know me on the list to believe I am about to > ask this question but > > How low is too low for CHTs? As many of know I have been battling high > CHTs due to my cowl/plenum configuration. Recently I have been flying > LOP which has greatly reduced my CHTs which was the goal all along. I > now have significant control over CHTs when LOP as a function of that > funny red knob. > > My question is how low is too low to run cylinders? I have read pretty > consistently about shock cooling and to keep the cylinder temp change > under 50 degrees / minute but I dont find any consistent numbers on the > bottom end of the cylinder temperature operation range. Is 320 > acceptable? I read about some pilots in cold regions running in the low > 200s (mostly 4 cyl. Lycoming). That seems unreasonably low to me. Heck, > with the James cowl and plenum I am able to get to low 200s just by > opening the hangar door. > > > > Robin > > * > > > *


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    Time: 05:29:22 PM PST US
    From: "John Cumins" <jcumins@jcis.net>
    Subject: Cylinder Temp Range
    Robin 320 is fine for cruise cht temp as far as I know. We see them quiet often on the Saratoga that I fly and all is great John G. Cumins A&P wow 25 years now. 40864 emp in primer mode but to wet every time I have time to paint here in Northern ca AWW Globel warming. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: RV10-List: Cylinder Temp Range It's hard for those that know me on the list to believe I am about to ask this question but. How low is too low for CHT's? As many of know I have been battling high CHT's due to my cowl/plenum configuration. Recently I have been flying LOP which has greatly reduced my CHT's which was the goal all along. I now have significant control over CHT's when LOP as a function of that funny red knob. My question is how low is too low to run cylinders? I have read pretty consistently about shock cooling and to keep the cylinder temp change under 50 degrees / minute but I don't find any consistent numbers on the bottom end of the cylinder temperature operation range. Is 320 acceptable? I read about some pilots in cold regions running in the low 200's (mostly 4 cyl. Lycoming). That seems unreasonably low to me. Heck, with the James cowl and plenum I am able to get to low 200's just by opening the hangar door. Robin


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    Time: 06:04:14 PM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: XM WX Price Increase
    Sheesh, it was over priced in the first place IMHO. ADS-B data linked weather can't happen fast enough. Seems a bit odd that they would increase their price rather than decrease it when facing all of the potential alternatives. Then again, maybe they are just trying to squeeze every last drop from subscribers before phone apps and ADS-B kill their share. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:07 PM Subject: RV10-List: XM WX Price Increase Snip: In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon your next renewal. I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save a few $. Robin


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    Time: 06:55:33 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: XM WX Price Increase
    Both XM and Sirius (now one big company) are hemorrhaging money at a huge rate. Doesn't surprise me that the rates are going up... what surprises me is that they're still in business and running as 2 separate companies. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > Sheesh, it was over priced in the first place IMHO. ADS-B data linked weather can't happen fast enough. Seems a bit odd that they would increase their price rather than decrease it when facing all of the potential alternatives. Then again, maybe they are just trying to squeeze every last drop from subscribers before phone apps and ADS-B kill their share. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:07 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: XM WX Price Increase > > > Snip: > In support of our commitment to the continued growth and success of the > XM WX aviation service, as of March 22, 2010, the XM WX Aviator LT and > the XM WX Aviator packages will increase by $5 per month, effective upon > your next renewal. > > I am going to try and renew before the cut-off date to see if I can save > a few $. > > Robin > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:55:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: XM WX Price Increase
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    Since the XM-Sirius merger, they have no competition within satellite radio. They raised all their music rates, too. Of course they hid it - "rates" stayed the same but now there are "fees" which need to be paid, too. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285757#285757


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    Time: 07:25:27 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cylinder Temp Range
    From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
    I run my 200 hp Mooney around 290-320 ROP and maybe 20-30 cooler LOP in Aridzona and points east to NJ. Have 600 hours on my rebuild to date. Coolest cylinder may be around 270. I only see above 350 on a hot day during climbout. For normally aspirated engines there really is no such thing as shock cooling. You might get shock heating if you apply takeoff power before getting engine temps up a bit. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com> wrote: > Its hard for those that know me on the list to believe I am about to ask > this question but > > How low is too low for CHTs? I now have > significant control over CHTs when LOP as a function of that funny red > knob. > > My question is how low is too low to run cylinders? I have read pretty > consistently about shock cooling and to keep the cylinder temp change under > 50 degrees / minute but I dont find any consistent numbers on the bottom > end of the cylinder temperature operation range. Is 320 acceptable? I read > about some pilots in cold regions running in the low 200s (mostly 4 cyl. > Lycoming). That seems unreasonably low to me. Heck, with the James cowl and > plenum I am able to get to low 200s just by opening the hangar door. > > > Robin




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