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1. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Engine mounts (John Gonzalez)
2. 01:07 PM - Assembly Instructions (Robin Marks)
3. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: Engine mounts (John Cox)
4. 02:52 PM - Lighter/Accessory sockets (Tim Olson)
5. 03:52 PM - Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (Dave Saylor)
6. 03:57 PM - Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (ricksked@cox.net)
7. 03:57 PM - Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (Robin Marks)
8. 03:58 PM - Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (Bob and Karen Brown)
9. 03:58 PM - Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (Tim Olson)
10. 04:09 PM - Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (Jim Berry)
11. 04:30 PM - Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (Jim Berry)
12. 05:41 PM - Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (johngoodman)
13. 05:57 PM - Re: Engine mounts (ricksked@cox.net)
14. 06:47 PM - Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (Tim Olson)
15. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (Linn Walters)
16. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets (Dave Saylor)
17. 07:51 PM - Re: Engine mounts (John Gonzalez)
18. 07:53 PM - Riveting Help (Larry Rosen)
19. 08:18 PM - Re: Engine mounts (John Cox)
20. 08:25 PM - Re: Riveting Help (Pascal)
21. 08:50 PM - Re: Riveting Help (ricksked@cox.net)
22. 09:56 PM - Quick Build Wing Kit FOR SALE (Paul Grimstad)
23. 11:18 PM - Re: Engine mounts (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mounts |
I sent this for all of you builders. Just because you stay up late pounding
that extra few rivets or bending that aluminum just right=2C make sure you
brush and floss your teeth.
Some of you are more likely to change the engine oil at perfect time interv
als=2C but brushing and flossing...Eh=2C tomorrow.
Heed my words...BRUSH YOUR TEETH!
My wife's stomach turned too when she saw what I do. I think the similariti
es in plane building and dentistry are fascinating.
This patient is going to be one happy camper when we are finished. We can m
ake him better=2C stronger=2C faster...Steve Austin=2C bionic man stuff. He
better keep his cheeks and lips out of the way of his teeth.
Cone beam radiography can record all this information of the implant positi
ons in the jaw bone and can either mill a model with a CNC machine of the i
mplants and jaw bone or can mill the restoration that will fit to those imp
lants.
If I only had access to large equipment and plans for a Berkut aircraft I c
ould resurrect the dead. Money and time of which I wish I had more of.
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine mounts
> From: cgfinney@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed=2C 10 Feb 2010 22:21:25 -0800
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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| Subject: | Assembly Instructions |
I will never complain about Vans assembly instructions again.
http://newslite.tv/2010/02/10/plane-decorated-with-an-idiots.html
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mounts |
Unless you work on old planes, poorly maintained or poorly built.... I
take light-hearted exception to the similarity between RV-10s and
artistic dentistry pictures.
Now seeing the abuse airliners get each year.... that is more like
periodontal disease and owner abuse over hours of operation.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Engine mounts
I sent this for all of you builders. Just because you stay up late
pounding that extra few rivets or bending that aluminum just right, make
sure you brush and floss your teeth.
Some of you are more likely to change the engine oil at perfect time
intervals, but brushing and flossing...Eh, tomorrow.
Heed my words...BRUSH YOUR TEETH!
My wife's stomach turned too when she saw what I do. I think the
similarities in plane building and dentistry are fascinating.
This patient is going to be one happy camper when we are finished. We
can make him better, stronger, faster...Steve Austin, bionic man stuff.
He better keep his cheeks and lips out of the way of his teeth.
Cone beam radiography can record all this information of the implant
positions in the jaw bone and can either mill a model with a CNC machine
of the implants and jaw bone or can mill the restoration that will fit
to those implants.
If I only had access to large equipment and plans for a Berkut aircraft
I could resurrect the dead. Money and time of which I wish I had more
of.
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| Subject: | Lighter/Accessory sockets |
For years now I've hated my accessory outlet covers.
They're rubber, with a nub of a handle sticking up.
The caps like to pop out and not stay in place, and
especially when I'm doing maintenance I have those
stupid caps falling out under my a$$ as I climb
around.
I've seen nice lighter outlets with no-smoking symbols
on them, and even in my car I have one with a nice
low-profile flip up cap. Does anyone have a source for
some nice ones that are flat/flush, and look nice, and
the plug stays in well?
I found some flat rubber plug ones at an auto parts
store, but if I'm going to replace them I'd like
to just see what's the nicest looking available.
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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets |
Tim,
These are the nicest ones we've installed. The cap flips open and rotates
360* so you can usually get it to a position that works well with any
adapter. They look really nice, the orange collar is lit and it glows so
you can find it in the dark.
[image:
?ui=2&view=att&th=126bf5c7e271f677&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_126bf5c7e271f677&zw]
[image:
?ui=2&view=att&th=126bf5d0806b32be&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_126bf5d0806b32be&zw]
It's a Volkswagen part (Audi if it goes on a Lancair ;-) but we get these
from Lancair for $35. Order P/N 901-0030 and 901-0031 (body and collar).
I've tried finding them elsewhere but I haven't found them for more
conveniently (Stein???).
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> For years now I've hated my accessory outlet covers.
> They're rubber, with a nub of a handle sticking up.
> The caps like to pop out and not stay in place, and
> especially when I'm doing maintenance I have those
> stupid caps falling out under my a$$ as I climb
> around.
>
> I've seen nice lighter outlets with no-smoking symbols
> on them, and even in my car I have one with a nice
> low-profile flip up cap. Does anyone have a source for
> some nice ones that are flat/flush, and look nice, and
> the plug stays in well?
>
> I found some flat rubber plug ones at an auto parts
> store, but if I'm going to replace them I'd like
> to just see what's the nicest looking available.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets |
Toyota has some nice ones...only they pop off without warning...
------Original Message------
From: Tim Olson
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Feb 11, 2010 2:17 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lighter/Accessory sockets
For years now I've hated my accessory outlet covers.
They're rubber, with a nub of a handle sticking up.
The caps like to pop out and not stay in place, and
especially when I'm doing maintenance I have those
stupid caps falling out under my a$$ as I climb
around.
I've seen nice lighter outlets with no-smoking symbols
on them, and even in my car I have one with a nice
low-profile flip up cap. Does anyone have a source for
some nice ones that are flat/flush, and look nice, and
the plug stays in well?
I found some flat rubber plug ones at an auto parts
store, but if I'm going to replace them I'd like
to just see what's the nicest looking available.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Lighter/Accessory sockets |
I opted for some Honda receptacles. I really liked the look with square
flip up covers embossed with 12V. Ordered from my local Honda
dealership.
They are not necessarily extra flush.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lighter/Accessory sockets
For years now I've hated my accessory outlet covers.
They're rubber, with a nub of a handle sticking up.
The caps like to pop out and not stay in place, and
especially when I'm doing maintenance I have those
stupid caps falling out under my a$$ as I climb
around.
I've seen nice lighter outlets with no-smoking symbols
on them, and even in my car I have one with a nice
low-profile flip up cap. Does anyone have a source for
some nice ones that are flat/flush, and look nice, and
the plug stays in well?
I found some flat rubber plug ones at an auto parts
store, but if I'm going to replace them I'd like
to just see what's the nicest looking available.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
23:35:00
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| Subject: | Lighter/Accessory sockets |
I agree Tim. someone told me to go to an "upscale" wrecking yard to see if
some of the auto types could be purchased there. I haven't tried yet, but
will let ya know if/when I do.
Bob Brown
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lighter/Accessory sockets
For years now I've hated my accessory outlet covers.
They're rubber, with a nub of a handle sticking up.
The caps like to pop out and not stay in place, and
especially when I'm doing maintenance I have those
stupid caps falling out under my a$$ as I climb
around.
I've seen nice lighter outlets with no-smoking symbols
on them, and even in my car I have one with a nice
low-profile flip up cap. Does anyone have a source for
some nice ones that are flat/flush, and look nice, and
the plug stays in well?
I found some flat rubber plug ones at an auto parts
store, but if I'm going to replace them I'd like
to just see what's the nicest looking available.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets |
Found a workable solution....NAPA part number 782-7683. Spent hours
online trying but finally hit the jackpot.
Tim
On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> For years now I've hated my accessory outlet covers.
> They're rubber, with a nub of a handle sticking up.
> The caps like to pop out and not stay in place, and
> especially when I'm doing maintenance I have those
> stupid caps falling out under my a$$ as I climb
> around.
>
> I've seen nice lighter outlets with no-smoking symbols
> on them, and even in my car I have one with a nice
> low-profile flip up cap. Does anyone have a source for
> some nice ones that are flat/flush, and look nice, and
> the plug stays in well?
>
> I found some flat rubber plug ones at an auto parts
> store, but if I'm going to replace them I'd like
> to just see what's the nicest looking available.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets |
Stein has some nice ones that I have in my panel; no lighted bezel though. His
part# SA-9901 for $6.00. I also have some from ACS; their part#11-01294. It is
a marine unit made in Watsonville. Durable, but not pretty.
Jim Berry
40482
N15Jb
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| Subject: | Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets |
Somewhat off topic, but can someone tell me why some posts display across several
screen widths? In this thread for instance, Dave's post and mine are 2.5 screens
wide, while the other posts in the same thread are 1 screen width.
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets |
Jim Berry wrote:
> Somewhat off topic, but can someone tell me why some posts display across several
screen widths? In this thread for instance, Dave's post and mine are 2.5
screens wide, while the other posts in the same thread are 1 screen width.
>
> Jim Berry
> 40482
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Because a HUGE photo was attached. Size down your photos and it won't happen.
John
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#40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mounts |
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| Subject: | Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets |
Dave, that lighter socket is really cool looking. I think in my
searches online I did run across those for sale somewhere, but
I didn't know for sure how it would look and fit since i'm
retrofitting. But wow, those look pretty. Maybe I'll buy one
just to see how it looks some day.
Attached is a photo of one like what I got. NAPA part number
782-7683
I paid about $5 each, so they were the poor man's way to go, but
far nicer than what I have.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Dave Saylor wrote:
> Tim,
>
> These are the nicest ones we've installed. The cap flips open and
> rotates 360* so you can usually get it to a position that works well
> with any adapter. They look really nice, the orange collar is lit and
> it glows so you can find it in the dark.
>
> ?ui=2&view=att&th=126bf5c7e271f677&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_126bf5c7e271f677&zw
> ?ui=2&view=att&th=126bf5d0806b32be&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=ii_126bf5d0806b32be&zw
>
> It's a Volkswagen part (Audi if it goes on a Lancair ;-) but we get
> these from Lancair for $35. Order P/N 901-0030 and 901-0031 (body and
> collar). I've tried finding them elsewhere but I haven't found them for
> more conveniently (Stein???).
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets |
Both posts came through one screen width for me. don't know why they're
different for others.
Linn
johngoodman wrote:
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> Jim Berry wrote:
>> Somewhat off topic, but can someone tell me why some posts display across several
screen widths? In this thread for instance, Dave's post and mine are 2.5
screens wide, while the other posts in the same thread are 1 screen width.
>>
>> Jim Berry
>> 40482
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> Because a HUGE photo was attached. Size down your photos and it won't happen.
> John
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> #40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon.
> N711JG reserved
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286048#286048
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| Subject: | Re: Lighter/Accessory sockets |
Oops. Sorry about those pictures, guys. I'm still trying to figure out the
best way to use Gmail. They looked reasonable on my end, but when I saw
what you all saw on the forum it was kind of embarrassing >:-(
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Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>wrote:
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> Both posts came through one screen width for me. don't know why they're
> different for others.
> Linn
>
> johngoodman wrote:
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>> Jim Berry wrote:
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>>> Somewhat off topic, but can someone tell me why some posts display across
>>> several screen widths? In this thread for instance, Dave's post and mine are
>>> 2.5 screens wide, while the other posts in the same thread are 1 screen
>>> width.
>>> Jim Berry
>>> 40482
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>>> Do not archive
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>> Because a HUGE photo was attached. Size down your photos and it won't
>> happen.
>> John
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>> #40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon.
>> N711JG reserved
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>> Read this topic online here:
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Thanks Rick for the kind words.
You are lucky you found a good dentist...things have changed in this day an
age of dentists who promote themselves through advertising and ridiculous
reality television shows that resemble music videos. These vehicles say not
hing about quality or longevity and cater to the want it yesterday crowd. M
any of these dentist if they tried to build a plane it would fall apart bef
ore it got into the air. At 43=2C I know older dentists that still are doin
g it and doing it better than many of the people in my age group and younge
r.
That is what is so beautiful about these plane builds=2C not only does it t
ake craftsmanship and intelligent=2C but persistence=2C and the where with
all to see it to completion. It is contrary to the want it yesterday mental
ity of our culture. We builders are few and far between=2C like the last of
the Jedi. It makes me want to build a plans built Long Ez from nothing oth
er than drawings=2C foam=2C resin and glass fiber. Those folks were truly a
special breed.
Those photos were showing a stage in the process of implant retained dentur
es were the bar stays in the mouth and the denture clips into it.
As for poorly build aircraft that John Cox was referring(periodontal diseas
e) vs the RV10: It is refurbishment with new technology in old aircraft. So
me might ask whether such an aircraft project is worth it. With health care
that is rarely debated especially if you are the one the work is for. They
have few choices left for all those years of forgetting to take care of th
emselves. But then that is what is helping me to pay for my plane. Weird wo
rld.
All you builder=2C congratulation to you for seeing the joy in the journey
and forgoing the easy want it yesterday way of life. Keep pluggin!
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine mounts
From: ricksked@cox.net
Wow...I have a friend who is a Dentist and builds record breaking model hyd
roplanes... His machine work is eye watering...The crown he made for me is
still going strong almost 20 years later...says a lot about attention to de
tail...I've followed your posts and pics John...needless to say your RV-10
will have the same craftsmanship..I always thought I would be a good Dentis
t...but then I see some poorly taken care of choppers...aka 'green rotted t
eeth" and I have second thoughts..about my ability to stomach that...great
work=2C is that an implant tooth system?
Rick Sked
N246RS.
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From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Engine mounts
Believe it or not=2C there are days at my work where I am thinking about th
e similarities of what I do for a living and what I do on my Fridays=2C Sat
urdays=2C and Sundays.
What type of engine mount is this?
What are the torgue values which are used for these screws/bolts.
Torque is in Newton Centimeters=2C not Ft/lbs or inch/lbs or Newton/meters
Oh=2C and the torgue wrenches I use=2C they are about 2.5 inches in length
=2C are extremely crude and cost about $600.00. What a joke.
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I just set a row of -3 flush rivets. The shop heads are fine, but the
manufactured head has a slight mushroom shape. Just not flat like the
rest of the rivets that I have set. I am using a 3x rivet gun with a
swivel flush set.
What have I done wrong?
Too much pressure on the bucking bar?
Not enough air pressure to the rivet gun?
Your incites are appreciated.
Larry Rosen
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Got mine cleaned this AM. Your wake-up pics are sending me back to the bui
ld process on the RV-10. Both technologies are worth the investment. Buil
d it for life, maintain it to last forever! Both smiles can be considered
priceless.
John Cox
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From: John Gonzalez
Sent: Thu 2/11/2010 7:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine mounts
Thanks Rick for the kind words.
You are lucky you found a good dentist...things have changed in this day an
age of dentists who promote themselves through advertising and ridiculous
reality television shows that resemble music videos. These vehicles say not
hing about quality or longevity and cater to the want it yesterday crowd. M
any of these dentist if they tried to build a plane it would fall apart bef
ore it got into the air. At 43, I know older dentists that still are doing
it and doing it better than many of the people in my age group and younger.
That is what is so beautiful about these plane builds, not only does it tak
e craftsmanship and intelligent, but persistence, and the where with all to
see it to completion. It is contrary to the want it yesterday mentality of
our culture. We builders are few and far between, like the last of the Jed
i. It makes me want to build a plans built Long Ez from nothing other than
drawings, foam, resin and glass fiber. Those folks were truly a special bre
ed.
Those photos were showing a stage in the process of implant retained dentur
es were the bar stays in the mouth and the denture clips into it.
As for poorly build aircraft that John Cox was referring(periodontal diseas
e) vs the RV10: It is refurbishment with new technology in old aircraft. So
me might ask whether such an aircraft project is worth it. With health care
that is rarely debated especially if you are the one the work is for. They
have few choices left for all those years of forgetting to take care of th
emselves. But then that is what is helping me to pay for my plane. Weird wo
rld.
All you builder, congratulation to you for seeing the joy in the journey an
d forgoing the easy want it yesterday way of life. Keep pluggin!
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine mounts
From: ricksked@cox.net
Wow...I have a friend who is a Dentist and builds record breaking model hyd
roplanes... His machine work is eye watering...The crown he made for me is
still going strong almost 20 years later...says a lot about attention to de
tail...I've followed your posts and pics John...needless to say your RV-10
will have the same craftsmanship..I always thought I would be a good Dentis
t...but then I see some poorly taken care of choppers...aka 'green rotted t
eeth" and I have second thoughts..about my ability to stomach that...great
work, is that an implant tooth system?
Rick Sked
N246RS.
Do not archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Engine mounts
Believe it or not, there are days at my work where I am thinking about the
similarities of what I do for a living and what I do on my Fridays, Saturda
ys, and Sundays.
What type of engine mount is this?
What are the torgue values which are used for these screws/bolts.
Torque is in Newton Centimeters, not Ft/lbs or inch/lbs or Newton/meters
Oh, and the torgue wrenches I use, they are about 2.5 inches in length, are
extremely crude and cost about $600.00. What a joke.
JOhn
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting Help |
I'll guess too much initial pressure on the bar that lifted the rivet up
slightly before it was riveted on. I'll assume you have used the same air
pressure, about 40 is what I use for -3 rivets so unless you changed that
that should not be an issue..
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Larry Rosen" <N205EN@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Riveting Help
>
> I just set a row of -3 flush rivets. The shop heads are fine, but the
> manufactured head has a slight mushroom shape. Just not flat like the
> rest of the rivets that I have set. I am using a 3x rivet gun with a
> swivel flush set.
>
> What have I done wrong?
> Too much pressure on the bucking bar?
> Not enough air pressure to the rivet gun?
>
> Your incites are appreciated.
>
> Larry Rosen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting Help |
Larry get rid of the swivel head and get a set that has a hard rubber edge...I've
been riveting bottom skins on a friends -10 the last few days and I had to
go get my set to show that is the set...not the riveter or bucker....I plan to
be in your neck of the woods in a week or so..sorry not with the RV...weather
there SUX....let's get together
Rick Sked
N246RS
Flying!!
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From: Larry Rosen
Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Feb 11, 2010 7:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Riveting Help
I just set a row of -3 flush rivets. The shop heads are fine, but the
manufactured head has a slight mushroom shape. Just not flat like the
rest of the rivets that I have set. I am using a 3x rivet gun with a
swivel flush set.
What have I done wrong?
Too much pressure on the bucking bar?
Not enough air pressure to the rivet gun?
Your incites are appreciated.
Larry Rosen
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| Subject: | Quick Build Wing Kit FOR SALE |
Save A Ton. Of time and cash.
Van's current price: $15,035.00 with order time at 3 to 4 months. Also 3 to
4 months for slow build kits.
This quick build wing kit is complete, except Van's stall warning system, I
planned to use an AOA instead.
Inventory is complete includes wing storage cart on casters. Wings are in
perfect shape without any damage.
Delivery options available. Van's crate charge and freight would run another
grand.
Price: $12,500.00
Paul Grimstad,
Portland, Or.
503-849-2123
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| Subject: | Re: Engine mounts |
Holly crap = I better go brush again before I go to bed :D
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Q/B - testing phase 1
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