---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/04/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:39 AM - Re: OT - EAAs Sport Aviation magazine facelift (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 2. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: Tachometer Pulses Per Minute (Michael Kraus) 3. 07:13 AM - Re: OT - EAAs Sport Aviation magazine facelift (Bob Leffler) 4. 08:34 AM - Good deal on Unibits at Napa (nicholscatoauto@aol.com) 5. 09:19 AM - Re: rudder question (JHearnsberger) 6. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: rudder question (Perry, Phil) 7. 10:44 AM - Re: Good deal on Unibits at Napa (Pascal) 8. 02:09 PM - Re: Good deal on Unibits at Napa (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 9. 03:44 PM - Van's FWF hoses - life limits - replacement (AirMike) 10. 03:53 PM - Re: Good deal on Unibits at Napa (William Greenley) 11. 04:14 PM - Re: Van's FWF hoses - life limits - replacement (Linn Walters) 12. 04:53 PM - Re: Van's FWF hoses - life limits - replacement (John Cox) 13. 04:54 PM - Re: Van's FWF hoses - life limits - replacement (Kelly McMullen) 14. 06:08 PM - Re: Good deal on Unibits at Napa (nicholscatoauto@aol.com) 15. 09:35 PM - Re: RV10 Transition Training (zackrv8) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:53 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - EAAs Sport Aviation magazine facelift I don't mind them too much but I wish they were addendum's or maybe just online. I feel like I lose a month of content every time one of the "list" issues comes out and I believe they are up to three a year now. Marc tends to watch these high activity lists so hopefully he sees some of the feedback. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - EAAs Sport Aviation magazine facelift Density is good. I still look forward to Kitplanes with one big reservation - the 'survey' issues where they do the lists - lists of plans built aircraft, lists of kits, lists of engines. A waste of paper... just filler. Maintaining those kinds of lists is a service to the community I guess but just put it on a web page. I want to see Stein's series or the machine shop stuff. How-to stuff is the draw for me even if it's stuff I don't plan to ever do. Bill do not archive Perry, Phil wrote: > > We're on the same page. I really like the new magazine and the video > tips on the website. Great stuff. > > I still like Kitplanes, but I'm not looking forward to it as much > anymore. The latest Sport Aviations have me more excited about them. > > I'm just wondering how long they can keep up the content before running > out. Right now, the content is pretty dense and I love it. > > It'll be interesting to see how KP responds... Especially after their > negative "I told you so" editorial that was directed at the EAA a few > months back. > > Phil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Mauledriver Watson [mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:30 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: OT - EAAs Sport Aviation magazine facelift > > > > I've been underimpressed with EAA's mags and Web site. Well, the new > format and direction of their Sport Aviation mag has changed my opinion > on the magazine. > > Even though magazines seem to be on their way out along with some other > print media, EAA made some substantial changes and I'm actually looking > forward to getting it each month. Great how-to articles - many basic, > some less so, but all welcome. Nice Job! > > So now its Kitplanes because I'm building, Flying because of the > writers, Sport Aviation because it's much better now. > > Now I'm going back to the EAA website and re-check it out. I've liked > the how-to videos I've seen so far - maybe more improvements await. > > Bill Watson > > do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:53 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Tachometer Pulses Per Minute Yes, that is what I thought, but wanted to confirm I was not missing something. Thank you very much Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:59 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > For 4 cycle engines: > > 6 cylinder engines will have 3 mag firings per revolution. > 4 cylinder engines will have 2 mag firings per revolution. > > Is that what you asked? > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289158#289158 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:01 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - EAAs Sport Aviation magazine facelift I totally agree with Michael. Those three issues are almost content free in my opinion. They should maintain these lists on their web site. Or do like some other industries and produce an annual buyer's guide to give to new subscribers. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:21 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - EAAs Sport Aviation magazine facelift I don't mind them too much but I wish they were addendum's or maybe just online. I feel like I lose a month of content every time one of the "list" issues comes out and I believe they are up to three a year now. Marc tends to watch these high activity lists so hopefully he sees some of the feedback. Michael ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:51 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa From: nicholscatoauto@aol.com Just thought I would throw this out there if anybody is building their too l kit and needs unibits. Napa has a sale on part # VG 3018008 which contai ns Unibit #1 (1/8 - 1/2) and unibit # 4 (3/16 - 7/8) and 7 turbomax drill bits all for $45.00. I think I paid almost that for the #3 that came with my tool kit. I just got mine today and it comes in a nice case also. The sale is good till the end of March but I believe it is a closeout . I st ill marvel how easy unibits make holes in sheet metal compared to regular drill bits. Jeff Nichols #40648 Working on the fuselage ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:00 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: rudder question From: "JHearnsberger" I am having trouble getting the bottom rib to lay flush against the skin. I clamped the rib to a straight edge when drilling the two pieces of the rib together. But, the flange on the spar is a good bit higher than the rib. I have tried using fluting pliers and other bending tools to get the two flanges even with each other. This would be on the right side. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289224#289224 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:00 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: rudder question From: "Perry, Phil" Jake, Check that your R-1010A Sheer Clip is oriented correctly. (That is short flange pointed up - not down). If any of the sheer clips are pointed down, it will cause the associated rib/skin holes to be misaligned. Phil -----Original Message----- From: JHearnsberger [mailto:jakehearnsberger@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: rudder question I am having trouble getting the bottom rib to lay flush against the skin. I clamped the rib to a straight edge when drilling the two pieces of the rib together. But, the flange on the spar is a good bit higher than the rib. I have tried using fluting pliers and other bending tools to get the two flanges even with each other. This would be on the right side. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289224#289224 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:26 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa $12 at Harbor freight. Worked fine for me the whole time, a mechanic once brought his professional unibit over and he couldn't tell the difference other than that he "felt" it might be a little faster to make holes but in the end he conceded that the HF works. I say spend the money on drill bits however, there is a difference there. From: nicholscatoauto@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa Just thought I would throw this out there if anybody is building their tool kit and needs unibits. Napa has a sale on part # VG 3018008 which contains Unibit #1 (1/8 - 1/2) and unibit # 4 (3/16 - 7/8) and 7 turbomax drill bits all for $45.00. I think I paid almost that for the #3 that came with my tool kit. I just got mine today and it comes in a nice case also. The sale is good till the end of March but I believe it is a closeout . I still marvel how easy unibits make holes in sheet metal compared to regular drill bits. Jeff Nichols #40648 Working on the fuselage ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:31 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa I went both routes and found the following with one of the the HF unibits. After repeated use in several different materials, I notice that suddenly, it stopped cutting. It appeared (to my untrained eye) that the bit had a very hard but thin surface. It cut as well as the higher priced unibit up to that point. Then, once it wore through the thin hard coating, it became worthless. Can anyone validate such an observation? Of course I simply grabbed one of the other unibits that came in the same $12 package and I still had the high priced bit in reserve. Whatever the difference, the HF bits seem like a good deal. They'll work until they don't, then you can replace them, twice, for the price of the high dollar bits. Bill "still cutting holes" Watson Pascal wrote: > $12 at Harbor freight. Worked fine for me the whole time, a mechanic > once brought his professional unibit over and he couldn't tell the > difference other than that he "felt" it might be a little faster to > make holes but in the end he conceded that the HF works. > I say spend the money on drill bits however, there is a difference there. > > > *From:* nicholscatoauto@aol.com > *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:28 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa > > Just thought I would throw this out there if anybody is building their > tool kit and needs unibits. Napa has a sale on part # VG 3018008 which > contains Unibit #1 (1/8 - 1/2) and unibit # 4 (3/16 - 7/8) and 7 > turbomax drill bits all for $45.00. I think I paid almost that for the > #3 that came with my tool kit. I just got mine today and it comes in a > nice case also. The sale is good till the end of March but I believe > it is a closeout . I still marvel how easy unibits make holes in > sheet metal compared to regular drill bits. > > Jeff Nichols > #40648 > Working on the fuselage > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:05 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Van's FWF hoses - life limits - replacement From: "AirMike" I was wondering if the Vans supplied hoses on the FWF kit are the newer Teflon hose or the old rubber style. From what I understand the: Rubber lined hoses need to be replaced every 5 years Teflon lined hoses never need replacement I sent an e-mail to Vans asking them about this, and Ken Scott replied that the hoses are Teflon but did state anything about life limits. Any intelligent comments appreciated............ -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - testing phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289265#289265 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:00 PM PST US From: "William Greenley" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa On their web site, NAPA wants 74.99 for this set. Bill From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa $12 at Harbor freight. Worked fine for me the whole time, a mechanic once brought his professional unibit over and he couldn't tell the difference other than that he "felt" it might be a little faster to make holes but in the end he conceded that the HF works. I say spend the money on drill bits however, there is a difference there. From: nicholscatoauto@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa Just thought I would throw this out there if anybody is building their tool kit and needs unibits. Napa has a sale on part # VG 3018008 which contains Unibit #1 (1/8 - 1/2) and unibit # 4 (3/16 - 7/8) and 7 turbomax drill bits all for $45.00. I think I paid almost that for the #3 that came with my tool kit. I just got mine today and it comes in a nice case also. The sale is good till the end of March but I believe it is a closeout . I still marvel how easy unibits make holes in sheet metal compared to regular drill bits. Jeff Nichols #40648 Working on the fuselage href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:13 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's FWF hoses - life limits - replacement AirMike wrote: > > I was wondering if the Vans supplied hoses on the FWF kit are the newer Teflon hose or the old rubber style. From what I understand the: > > Rubber lined hoses need to be replaced every 5 years > instead of 'need to be' say 'recommended'. Kinda like TBO. The rub ber hoses have lasted over 30 years ..... as long as you don't move them. They do get brittle. > Teflon lined hoses never need replacement > Never say 'never', but the lifespan is a lot longer than the rubber hoses. Teflon hoses will also take a set with age. They may not get brittle ..... but I don't think there's any empirical data. Linn > I sent an e-mail to Vans asking them about this, and Ken Scott replied that the hoses are Teflon but did state anything about life limits. > Any intelligent comments appreciated............ > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B - testing phase 1 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289265#289265 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's FWF hoses - life limits - replacement From: John Cox Teflon hose is IRAN - "Inspect and replace as needed". I am still searchin g for ""Lifetime hoses,belts, seals and universal joints". I have conclude d their life limit is known when they fail in flight. YMMV. John Cox From: AirMike Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 3:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Van's FWF hoses - life limits - replacement I was wondering if the Vans supplied hoses on the FWF kit are the newer Tef lon hose or the old rubber style. From what I understand the: Rubber lined hoses need to be replaced every 5 years Teflon lined hoses never need replacement I sent an e-mail to Vans asking them about this, and Ken Scott replied that the hoses are Teflon but did state anything about life limits. Any intelligent comments appreciated............ -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - testing phase 1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289265#289265 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's FWF hoses - life limits - replacement From: Kelly McMullen I put teflon hoses with integral firesleeve on my Mooney 8 years ago. They are still fine. No deterioration noted., All you need from Vans is the part number of the hose they supply and you can tell what it is. >From the web store: "The fuel supply hoses have integral fireshields." Only teflon hoses are available with integral fireshield, so those are okay. I'd want to know about the oil hoses as well. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > Never say 'never', but the lifespan is a lot longer than the rubber hoses. > Teflon hoses will also take a set with age. They may not get brittle ..... > but I don't think there's any empirical data. > Linn > >> I sent an e-mail to Vans asking them about this, and Ken Scott replied >> that the hoses are Teflon but did state anything about life limits. >> Any intelligent comments appreciated............ >> >> -------- >> OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - testing phase 1 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289265#289265 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa From: nicholscatoauto@aol.com It is in their tool and equipment sale catalog. I think you may have to ca ll or stop by a store to get the special. I called to order mine. -----Original Message----- From: William Greenley Sent: Thu, Mar 4, 2010 5:39 pm Subject: RE: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa On their web site, NAPA wants 74.99 for this set. Bill From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa $12 at Harbor freight. Worked fine for me the whole time, a mechanic once brought his professional unibit over and he couldn't tell the difference other than that he "felt" it might be a little faster to make holes but in the end he conceded that the HF works. I say spend the money on drill bits however, there is a difference there. From: nicholscatoauto@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: RV10-List: Good deal on Unibits at Napa Just thought I would throw this out there if anybody is building their too l kit and needs unibits. Napa has a sale on part # VG 3018008 which contai ns Unibit #1 (1/8 - 1/2) and unibit # 4 (3/16 - 7/8) and 7 turbomax drill bits all for $45.00. I think I paid almost that for the #3 that came with my tool kit. I just got mine today and it comes in a nice case also. The sale is good till the end of March but I believe it is a closeout . I st ill marvel how easy unibits make holes in sheet metal compared to regular drill bits. 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While there, the RV10 will only be used for demo rides, not transition training. Sorry. It should be back in Maryland a few days after SNF concludes. I can help you out after that, but at St Marys airport only. Joe [quote="aarongleixner(at)sbcgloba"]Joe, I am starting my search for transition training in the RV-10. Shooting for a mid to late May first flight. I was looking at the RVator, and noticed you will have the plane at Sun and Fun. I am staying in Winter Haven nearby for Sat and Sun of Sun and Fun and for the week following on vacation with plenty of free time. Any chance you are staying in the FL area the week after sun and fun and available for transition training? Aaron From: zackrv8 Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 11:57:44 AM Subject: RV10 Transition Training Fellow RV10 builders..... If you are in need of RV10 Transition Training on the East Coast, I can help you out. I use Van's Aircraft N220RV that is based at St Mary's airport (2W6) in Maryland. For more information, check out my website at http://www.zackair.com/. 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