---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/05/10: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:33 AM - fuel dipstick (Alan Mekler) 2. 07:12 AM - Re: fuel dipstick (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 3. 08:38 AM - Re: fuel dipstick (Alan) 4. 11:15 AM - Re: fuel dipstick (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 5. 01:02 PM - Re: fuel dipstick (Marcus Cooper) 6. 03:17 PM - Re: fuel dipstick (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 7. 03:17 PM - Re: fuel dipstick (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 8. 03:42 PM - Re: fuel dipstick (Pascal) 9. 06:34 PM - Re: fuel dipstick (Rick) 10. 06:39 PM - Re: fuel dipstick (Miller John) 11. 06:57 PM - Re: fuel dipstick (Robert Brunkenhoefer) 12. 07:04 PM - Re: fuel dipstick (Robert Brunkenhoefer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:21 AM PST US From: "Alan Mekler" Subject: RV10-List: fuel dipstick Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? Alan ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:29 AM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 606 N. Carancahua Street Suite 1200 Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler wrote: > Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? > > > Alan > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:54 AM PST US From: Alan Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick Robert, Do you mind sharing what you used? Alan Sent from my iPod On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: > I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the > numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 606 N. Carancahua Street > Suite 1200 > Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert@brunklaw.com > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler wrote: > >> Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? >> >> >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:35 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel dipstick VGhlIEF1Z3VzdCAyMDA1IGlzc3VlIG9mIFNwb3J0IEF2aWF0aW9uIGhhZCBhIGdvb2QgYXJ0aWNs ZSBvbiBob3cgdG8gbWFrZSBvbmUuDQoNCk1pY2hhZWwNCg0KRnJvbTogb3duZXItcnYxMC1saXN0 LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIFttYWlsdG86b3duZXItcnYxMC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRy b25pY3MuY29tXSBPbiBCZWhhbGYgT2YgQWxhbg0KU2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCBNYXJjaCAwNSwgMjAx MCAxMDozNyBBTQ0KVG86IHJ2MTAtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogUlYx MC1MaXN0OiBmdWVsIGRpcHN0aWNrDQoNClJvYmVydCwNCkRvIHlvdSBtaW5kIHNoYXJpbmcgd2hh dCB5b3UgdXNlZD8NCkFsYW4NCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQb2QNCg0KT24gTWFyIDUsIDIwMTAs IGF0IDEwOjA4IEFNLCBSb2JlcnQgQnJ1bmtlbmhvZWZlciA8cm9iZXJ0YnJ1bmtAbWFjLmNvbTxt YWlsdG86cm9iZXJ0YnJ1bmtAbWFjLmNvbT4+IHdyb3RlOg0KSSBtYWRlIG9uZSBhbmQgdXNlIGl0 IGV2ZXJ5IHRpbWUgSSBmbHkuIEkgY2hlY2sgaXQgYWdhaW5zdCB0aGUgbnVtYmVycyBvbiBteSBm dWVhbCBmbG93IGd1YWdlLiBSb2JlcnQNCg0KU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IGlQaG9uZQ0KDQpSb2JlcnQg RS4gQnJ1bmtlbmhvZWZlcg0KQnJ1bmtlbmhvZWZlciBMYXcgRmlybSwgUC5DLg0KNjA2IE4uIENh cmFuY2FodWEgU3RyZWV0DQpTdWl0ZSAxMjAwDQpDb3JwdXMgQ2hyaXN0aSwgVGV4YXMgNzg0NzYN ClBob25lOiAzNjEtODg4LTg4MDgNCkZhY3NpbWlsZTogMzYxLTg4OC02NzUzDQpyb2JlcnRAYnJ1 bmtsYXcuY29tPG1haWx0bzpyb2JlcnRAYnJ1bmtsYXcuY29tPg0KDQpPbiBNYXIgNSwgMjAxMCwg YXQgNDozMSBBTSwgQWxhbiBNZWtsZXIgPGFtZWtsZXJAbWV0cm9jYXN0Lm5ldDxtYWlsdG86YW1l a2xlckBtZXRyb2Nhc3QubmV0Pj4gd3JvdGU6DQpIYXMgYW55IG9uZSBtYWRlICBhIGNhbGlicmF0 ZWQgZnVlbCBkaXBzdGljaz8NCg0KQWxhbg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KXy09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0N Cg0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgIC0gVGhlIFJWMTAtTGlzdCBFbWFpbCBGb3J1bSAtDQoNCl8tPSBVc2Ug dGhlIE1hdHJvbmljcyBMaXN0IEZlYXR1cmVzIE5hdmlnYXRvciB0byBicm93c2UNCg0KXy09IHRo ZSBtYW55IExpc3QgdXRpbGl0aWVzIHN1Y2ggYXMgTGlzdCBVbi9TdWJzY3JpcHRpb24sDQoNCl8t PSBBcmNoaXZlIFNlYXJjaCAmIERvd25sb2FkLCA3LURheSBCcm93c2UsIENoYXQsIEZBUSwNCg0K Xy09IFBob3Rvc2hhcmUsIGFuZCBtdWNoIG11Y2ggbW9yZToNCg0KXy09DQoNCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBo dHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1JWMTAtTGlzdA0KDQpfLT0NCg0KXy09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT0NCg0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZPUlVNUyAtDQoNCl8tPSBT YW1lIGdyZWF0IGNvbnRlbnQgYWxzbyBhdmFpbGFibGUgdmlhIHRoZSBXZWIgRm9ydW1zIQ0KDQpf LT0NCg0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KDQpfLT0NCg0KXy09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT0NCg0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTGlzdCBDb250cmlidXRpb24gV2ViIFNpdGUgLQ0KDQpf LT0gIFRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgeW91ciBnZW5lcm91cyBzdXBwb3J0IQ0KDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtTWF0dCBEcmFsbGUsIExpc3QgQWRtaW4uDQoNCl8tPSAgIC0t PiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uDQoNCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:28 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel dipstick Just out of curiosity, how accurate and how effective are the dipsticks that folks are using? Seems like the tank is still about half full when the fuel is skimming the bottom at the fuel neck. With even an imperceptible slope it seems like the reading could be off by quite a bit. I like the idea of a dipstick, just wondering what results folks are getting with the RV-10. Anxiously awaiting warmer and calmer weather so I can cross the 450 hour mark! Thanks, Marcus 40286 Do not archive. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel dipstick The August 2005 issue of Sport Aviation had a good article on how to make one. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick Robert, Do you mind sharing what you used? Alan Sent from my iPod On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 606 N. Carancahua Street Suite 1200 Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler wrote: Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? Alan MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - Contribution Web Site - =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ~=B2 _____ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:06 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick i use a fuel hawk plastic dip stick that i mark with a sharpie. robert On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > Just out of curiosity, how accurate and how effective are the > dipsticks that folks are using? Seems like the tank is still about > half full when the fuel is skimming the bottom at the fuel neck. > With even an imperceptible slope it seems like the reading could be > off by quite a bit. I like the idea of a dipstick, just wondering > what results folks are getting with the RV-10. > > Anxiously awaiting warmer and calmer weather so I can cross the 450 > hour mark! > > Thanks, > Marcus > 40286 > > Do not archive. > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 2:13 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel dipstick > > The August 2005 issue of Sport Aviation had a good article on how to > make one. > > Michael > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:37 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick > > Robert, > Do you mind sharing what you used? > Alan > > Sent from my iPod > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Robert Brunkenhoefer > wrote: > > I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the > numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 606 N. Carancahua Street > Suite 1200 > Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert@brunklaw.com > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler wrote: > > Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? > > Alan > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ~=B2 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:21 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick fuelhawk markd with a sharpie at 5 gallon increments. fuelhawk from pilot shop. On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Alan wrote: > Robert, > Do you mind sharing what you used? > Alan > > Sent from my iPod > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Robert Brunkenhoefer > wrote: > >> I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the >> numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >> 606 N. Carancahua Street >> Suite 1200 >> Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 >> Phone: 361-888-8808 >> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >> robert@brunklaw.com >> >> On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler >> wrote: >> >>> Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? >>> >>> >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:00 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick great reference! question I have is how did those who calibrated the fuel do it one gallon at a time? 60x 1 gallon jugs, every 5 gallons would probably be fine upto 25 gallons per side.. thanks! Pascal From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel dipstick The August 2005 issue of Sport Aviation had a good article on how to make one. Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick Robert, Do you mind sharing what you used? Alan Sent from my iPod On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Robert Brunkenhoefer wrote: I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert Sent from my iPhone Robert E. Brunkenhoefer Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. 606 N. Carancahua Street Suite 1200 Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 Phone: 361-888-8808 Facsimile: 361-888-6753 robert@brunklaw.com On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler wrote: Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? Alan =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 - List Contribution Web =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 =C2 ======================= ~=B2=03 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:50 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick I can't see how a dip stick is beneficial. I've tried it won't measure any fuel less than 15 gallons per side. The AFS 3500 fuel totalizer is accurate to .5 gallon. During flight test bothe tanks showed fuel burned at 29.5 as the engine sputtered. You can't ask for much better than that. FWIW though I Still flight plan at 15 gph fuel burn and pick a must land point if the EFIS craps out. Can't totally give up on the basics Rick On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:38 PM, "Pascal" wrote: > great reference! > question I have is how did those who calibrated the fuel do it one > gallon at a time? 60x 1 gallon jugs, every 5 gallons would probably > be fine upto 25 gallons per side.. > thanks! > Pascal > > From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:13 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel dipstick > > The August 2005 issue of Sport Aviation had a good article on how to > make one. > > > Michael > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:37 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick > > > Robert, > > Do you mind sharing what you used? > > Alan > > > Sent from my iPod > > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Robert Brunkenhoefer > wrote: > > I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the > numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > > 606 N. Carancahua Street > > Suite 1200 > > Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 > > Phone: 361-888-8808 > > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > > robert@brunklaw.com > > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler wrote: > > Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? > > > Alan > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > =C2~=C2=B2=03 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:14 PM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick There's a pretty simple one to make. Get 2 wooden paint stirrers. As you calibrate your tank by addint fuel, put a pen and ink mark at each 5 gallons put into the tank. This gives you a guaranteed measure of how much fuel you have in each tank..... grumpy do not archive On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Alan wrote: > Robert, > Do you mind sharing what you used? > Alan > > Sent from my iPod > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Robert Brunkenhoefer > wrote: > >> I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the >> numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >> 606 N. Carancahua Street >> Suite 1200 >> Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 >> Phone: 361-888-8808 >> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >> robert@brunklaw.com >> >> On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler >> wrote: >> >>> Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? >>> >>> >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:06 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick what i did was pour 5 gallons in and mark . when i got to 25 gallons i poured 1 gallon at a time and marked the full mark at full tanks top of filler and the measured number of gallons total. my measurement of the last 10 gallons before empty is done by sliding the dip stick straight down to the bottom until it touches always holding the stick against the back side of the filler hole. . i get consistent and accurate measurements that way. between marks i estimate the gallons and check it against the fuel monitor and the float gauge i have installed which gauges each tank separately. it is a 2 tank EI instrument.. i am confident in this system. the float gauge only 30 gallons until at/or below 15 gallons or so. but at these levels to empty i found it to be right on. i tested it by draining the tanks 5 gallons at a time then 1 gallon for the last 5 gallons for each tank. robert. On Mar 5, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Pascal wrote: > great reference! > question I have is how did those who calibrated the fuel do it one > gallon at a time? 60x 1 gallon jugs, every 5 gallons would probably > be fine upto 25 gallons per side.. > thanks! > Pascal > > From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:13 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel dipstick > > The August 2005 issue of Sport Aviation had a good article on how to > make one. > > Michael > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Alan > Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:37 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick > > Robert, > Do you mind sharing what you used? > Alan > > Sent from my iPod > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Robert Brunkenhoefer > wrote: > > I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the > numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert > > Sent from my iPhone > > Robert E. Brunkenhoefer > Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. > 606 N. Carancahua Street > Suite 1200 > Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 > Phone: 361-888-8808 > Facsimile: 361-888-6753 > robert@brunklaw.com > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler wrote: > > Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? > > Alan > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ~=B2=03 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:12 PM PST US From: Robert Brunkenhoefer Subject: Re: RV10-List: fuel dipstick at each fill up i need to reset the fuel total. if i want to add fuel i want to know what each tank has before adding. i fly by switching tanks every 30 minutes,but often i land with uneven loads. also i may only want to take enough fuel to complete a flight. i like the confidence of looking in the tank visually with the stick in case i forget or reset the totalizer incorrectly. of course you guys not using floats can ignore this whole discussion. robert On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Miller John wrote: > There's a pretty simple one to make. > > Get 2 wooden paint stirrers. > > As you calibrate your tank by addint fuel, put a pen and ink mark at > each 5 gallons put into the tank. > > This gives you a guaranteed measure of how much fuel you have in > each tank..... > > grumpy > > do not archive > > On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Alan wrote: > >> Robert, >> Do you mind sharing what you used? >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Robert Brunkenhoefer > > wrote: >> >>> I made one and use it every time I fly. I check it against the >>> numbers on my fueal flow guage. Robert >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer >>> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C. >>> 606 N. Carancahua Street >>> Suite 1200 >>> Corpus Christi, Texas 78476 >>> Phone: 361-888-8808 >>> Facsimile: 361-888-6753 >>> robert@brunklaw.com >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Alan Mekler >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Has any one made a calibrated fuel dipstick? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.