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1. 04:52 AM - Re: fuel pump usage (Ron McGann)
2. 05:53 AM - Re: RV-10 Cutaway Drawing (Bob Leffler)
3. 07:50 AM - Re: fuel pump usage (Kelly McMullen)
4. 11:53 AM - Taxes (Chuck Weyant)
5. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Rudder puzzle (Chris Colohan)
6. 01:08 PM - Re: Rudder puzzle (rv10flyer)
7. 03:00 PM - Section 42 - REAR SEAT BACKS WITH 60/40 SPLIT SEATS (Peter James)
8. 07:04 PM - Bent fuselage (Russell Shavitz)
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I've also read some articles about making sure that you have maximum fuel
flow during takeoff to ensure adequate cylinder cooling. Using the boost
pump is supposed to help achieve this.
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM flying in Oz
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2010 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: fuel pump usage
For me it's:
* Takeoff
* Tank Change
* (long final) Landing
Regarding starting, my engine likes 5-6 seconds of prime when cold. 10
seconds was too long and 3 seconds was not enough.
Once started (even for 2 minutes) my setup requires a flooded start
procedure which seems to work every time.
As you said there may be no one "right" answer but I do PERSONALLY believe
there are wrong answers like not using the boost pump of takeoff and short
final.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: fuel pump usage
Great responses on the approach speed, very helpful. My second item that
seems to draw some differing approaches and I suspect there isn't one right
answer is the use of the fuel pump.
I've seen some who use it strictly on starting to those that use it
liberally in the IMPORTANT zones, i.e., takeoff, descent, approach, landing.
I know the latter is for safety, but would love to hear technical reasons
why its a good idea.
Also, I've seen some recommend 1-3 seconds on pre start to 3-10 seconds. I
suspect the veterans listen to the fuel pressure build up and don't rely on
their watch?
Anyone care to share your boost lore?
cjay
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| Subject: | RV-10 Cutaway Drawing |
You need to ask Tom at tjtechart@comcast.net. I suspect we haven't met the
minimum number of pre-orders yet or Tom would have posted something.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy & Tami
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Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Cutaway Drawing
Any new news on the RV-10 cutaway?
Bill
From: Bob Leffler <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Cutaway Drawing
I don't know how many folks have followed the Cutaway RV Drawing thread on
VAF. (http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=38927) I have
taken an interest and wanted to share with the RV-10 community to gather
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| Subject: | Re: fuel pump usage |
Actually, use of the boost pump will have virtually no effect on your
fuel flow for takeoff. Your fuel servo delivers fuel pressure to the
nozzles based on the impact air hitting the tubes in the intake, e.g.
mass airflow. Whether you deliver minimum fuel pressure required or
maximum pressure allowed to the servo, it is going to deliver the same
pressure to the nozzles if it is working correctly. The boost pump is
unlikely to increase the pressure delivered by more than 10% of total
pressure..e.g. from 24 to 26, not a big change.
On 3/14/2010 2:28 AM, Ron McGann wrote:
> Ive also read some articles about making sure that you have maximum
> fuel flow during takeoff to ensure adequate cylinder cooling. Using the
> boost pump is supposed to help achieve this.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
> VH-XRM flying in Oz
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
> *Sent:* Sunday, 14 March 2010 4:46 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: fuel pump usage
>
> For me it's:
>
> Takeoff
>
> Tank Change
>
> (long final) Landing
>
> Regarding starting, my engine likes 5-6 seconds of prime when cold. 10
> seconds was too long and 3 seconds was not enough.
>
> Once started (even for 2 minutes) my setup requires a flooded start
> procedure which seems to work every time.
>
> As you said there may be no one right answer but I do PERSONALLY
> believe there are wrong answers like not using the boost pump of takeoff
> and short final.
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjay
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:33 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: fuel pump usage
>
>
> Great responses on the approach speed, very helpful. My second item that
> seems to draw some differing approaches and I suspect there isn't one
> right answer is the use of the fuel pump.
>
> I've seen some who use it strictly on starting to those that use it
> liberally in the IMPORTANT zones, i.e., takeoff, descent, approach,
> landing. I know the latter is for safety, but would love to hear
> technical reasons why its a good idea.
>
> Also, I've seen some recommend 1-3 seconds on pre start to 3-10 seconds.
> I suspect the veterans listen to the fuel pressure build up and don't
> rely on their watch?
>
> Anyone care to share your boost lore?
>
> cjay
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290199#290199
>
> to browse
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We're moving out of California. Too many taxes/fees
For those of you who live in NV, AZ, OR, Montana or NM what do you pay for:
1. Sales tax percent (if any) for airplanes purchases
2. Yearly fee/taxes for airplanes
3. Annual real estate property tax for personal residence and/or hanger
Thanks,
Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder puzzle |
Thank you for the advice! Ever since I discovered I don't get the plans for
the whole plane with my tail kit (bah!) I've been studying Tim's site every
chance I have. :-)
If this was within the realm of "slightly misaligned, a bit of flexing can
get it into the right place then match drilling will remove the
misalignment" then I'd agree -- I could zipper it together by putting a
cleco in every hole. But I don't see how I can make up a 1/8" misalignment
between two holes 1" apart without either stretching the skin or warping the
structure.
So I thought about this further, and took a few measurements. I noticed
that not only are the holes at the end of the R-1004B 1/8" too low, but also
if I put a ruler from the spar onto the rib there is a 1/8" gap between the
ruler and the rib. This leads me to conclude that the source of the problem
is that the 90 degree bend in R-1004B is misplaced. (And if I forced it the
result would be an unsightly inward wrinkle in the rudder skin.)
Thinking back, when I first separated my R-1004B from R-1004A, I noticed
that some of the bits of metal joining the pieces came "pre-cracked". I
figured this might have been due to getting jostled in shipping, so I just
filed the bits off and continued. But another theory would explain it too:
when the sheet was put into the bending form, the metal in those spots
couldn't handle the stress, and it cracked (I am assuming that the bends are
made by smashing the pre-cut metal part in between a male and female forming
jig -- is this correct?). This resulted in a mis-aligned bend (and now the
mis-aligned holes which I am seeing).
So I now see my options as:
a) Flatten out the 90 degree bend in the metal, and re-bend it 1/8" over.
(Will this weaken the metal? I suspect it will, but I'm curious if my fear
is misplaced.)
b) Get some sheet metal and fabricate a replacement part (sadly the "extra"
metal provided with the kit is about 2" too short to make this part).
c) Re-order R-1004 from Van's, and hope this one didn't crack in the bending
form.
I'm leaning towards (c).
Any opinions?
Chris
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 6:29 PM, rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I ran into same problem a couple months back. Yes, just on one side.
> Install clecos in EVERY hole first and don't be gentle. Once you start
> installing clecos you may find the the rudder horn slot may need to be
> opened up on the top side with file and or cutoff wheel about 1/16".
>
> You will run into another problem on hs rib hole alignment later on. Same
> thing. Don't be gentle. As perfect as the equipment is at Van's, it all
> depends on programming, operator, day of the week, machine wear, etc. It is
> best to get on here when you have misalignment, because it could be
> something installed incorrectly on your part.
>
> There are many places that I have made notes in the plans if you want to go
> through them just call my cell and then you can note them too. *606*
> 316-9020. Some instructions are missing, not clear. I have a friend ahead of
> me a few months that helps me out before I get to the "easy to screw up
> points".
>
> Also it helps to have all the plans to look forward to later steps to see
> why or how a particular part is installed. One more reason I bought entire
> kit- in addition to shipping/price increases. Van's could just sell them to
> us. It isn't like were going to engineer this plane from the plans. There is
> not enough information. Check Tim Olsen's site if you are not already
> registered.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie
> A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
> Grayson, KY
> 40983
> Ord complete kit 8/24/09
> DB Schenker del 11/20/09
> Started emp 12/01/09
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290241#290241
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder puzzle |
2024-T3 does not like to be bent back and forth too much as it work hardens and
gets brittle. You could possibly make a male/female block from oak to move bend
line slightly. I would talk to Joe Blank at Van's before snf. Possibly ordering
new part may be your best bet. Shipping and part won't be too bad. Good luck
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983
Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09
Emp 12/01/09-3/15/10 333 hrs
Wings 3/15/10-
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| Subject: | Section 42 - REAR SEAT BACKS WITH 60/40 SPLIT SEATS |
I helped design the 60/40 seat backs that are pictured on Cleveland Tool
website. The pictures on their site are actually my fuselage. The seat
frames use the standard Van's hinge and lean back flush against the stock
cross member. I am not in the air yet, but hope to have some pictures I can
share in the next few weeks.
Patrick: I have tried to reply to you off-list, but the e-mail bounced off.
I am not sure why.
Pete
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I am finally getting around to doing Van's quality control inspection on my RV-10
quick build fuselage. I have counted 43 errors or omissions. Some of these
are very minor, like snap bushings not being installed, some are a little harder;
having to drill out AN470 rivets to install flush rivets.
The areas of major concern, and maybe someone can enlighten me are:
1.)the bend angle in the rear of the fuselage does not match the F-1006 bulkhead
and the F-1023B gussets does not match the holes in the underlying structure.
2.)it does not look like they put any twist in the 1041 or 1040 channels, so the
1050 floor pan holes do not match up with all the underlying structure especially
the side channels.
Can anyone tell me if this is going to be a big problem?
3.)all of my interior sheet metal did not get machine counter sunk for the #8 screws
- can you machine counter sink these parts that have nut plates behind them
already?
Thanks.
Russell Shavitz
Shavitz Heating & Air Conditioning
4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077
office: 847-678-1000
cell: 847-417-6622
www.shavitz.com
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