RV10-List Digest Archive

Mon 03/15/10


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:55 AM - Re: Taxes (cjay)
     2. 05:19 AM - [Fw: Re: Is a large countersink still in circulation?] (Lew Gallagher)
     3. 09:04 AM - Re: Bent fuselage (Perry, Phil)
     4. 09:04 AM - Re: [Fw: Re: Is a large countersink still in circulation?] (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
     5. 02:25 PM - Re: Bent fuselage (Russell Shavitz)
     6. 03:03 PM - Jumper plug and recepticle. (John Gonzalez)
     7. 03:25 PM - Re: Taxes (William DeLacey)
     8. 05:22 PM - RV-10 Kit for sale (doctornigel)
     9. 06:15 PM - Seat rails (Lew Gallagher)
    10. 06:25 PM - Wing jacks (Lew Gallagher)
    11. 07:02 PM - Re: Wing jacks (Miller John)
    12. 07:03 PM - Re: Jumper plug and receptacle. (Rick)
    13. 07:13 PM - Re: Jumper plug and recepticle. (Albert Gardner)
    14. 07:16 PM - Re: Jumper plug and recepticle. (Carl Froehlich)
    15. 07:16 PM - Re: Bent fuselage (Rick)
    16. 07:17 PM - Re: Jumper plug and recepticle. (Robin Marks)
    17. 07:19 PM - Re: Jumper plug and recepticle. (Bob Leffler)
    18. 07:21 PM - Re: Rudder puzzle (Gordon Anderson)
    19. 08:10 PM - Re: Wing jacks (Jim Berry)
    20. 08:21 PM - Re: Jumper plug and recepticle. (Rene Felker)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:55:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Taxes
    From: "cjay" <cgfinney@yahoo.com>
    One of the most beautiful places in the world. It's a shame CA just doesn't get it. chuck(at)chuckdirect.com wrote: > We're moving out of California. Too many taxes/fees > > Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290341#290341


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    Time: 05:19:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Is a large countersink still in circulation?]
    From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
    Hey All, The magical traveling countersink is finished up with Rob and headed back to me, so if anyone has an un-sunk canopy, now is the time to detour it to you on it's way. Post here and we'll get it to you. By the way, we had our FIRST inspection this Saturday and today we'll finish up the list of good catches he found. Ready for re-inspection next weekend, then cross training in TX for Wes and he'll be ready to go. Still have no intention of flying with him, but the excitement is infectious! Later, - Lew do not archive -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Avionics in, engine started! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290347#290347


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    Time: 09:04:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Bent fuselage
    From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
    Welcome to the new QB factory! Actually I believe I can explain this one: "2.)it does not look like they put any twist in the 1041 or 1040 channels, so the 1050 floor pan holes do not match up with all the underlying structure especially the side channels." On my QB kit, there were 3-4 holes that were not drilled through the floor pans and into the side channels. I thought I had the same issue, but after digging around with a flashlight and mirror to look underneath, I could see that they left those holes untouched. The only logic I could come up with is that the twist is slightly different from fuse to fuse, so they wanted to leave those holes untouched until each of us could put our own floor boards in. I'll bet your holes aren't drilled either. It's pretty easy to see with an inspection mirror and a small flashlight. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Russell Shavitz [mailto:rashvac@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:02 PM Subject: RV10-List: Bent fuselage I am finally getting around to doing Van's quality control inspection on my RV-10 quick build fuselage. I have counted 43 errors or omissions. Some of these are very minor, like snap bushings not being installed, some are a little harder; having to drill out AN470 rivets to install flush rivets. The areas of major concern, and maybe someone can enlighten me are: 1.)the bend angle in the rear of the fuselage does not match the F-1006 bulkhead and the F-1023B gussets does not match the holes in the underlying structure. 2.)it does not look like they put any twist in the 1041 or 1040 channels, so the 1050 floor pan holes do not match up with all the underlying structure especially the side channels. Can anyone tell me if this is going to be a big problem? 3.)all of my interior sheet metal did not get machine counter sunk for the #8 screws - can you machine counter sink these parts that have nut plates behind them already? Thanks. Russell Shavitz Shavitz Heating & Air Conditioning 4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077 office: 847-678-1000 cell: 847-417-6622 www.shavitz.com


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    Time: 09:04:28 AM PST US
    From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Is a large countersink still in circulation?]
    Thanks for the countersink Lew. I put it to good use by getting 4 sinks out of it. Congrats on getting to the first inspection! Bill Watson. Lew Gallagher wrote: > > Hey All, > > The magical traveling countersink is finished up with Rob and headed back to me, so if anyone has an un-sunk canopy, now is the time to detour it to you on it's way. Post here and we'll get it to you. > > By the way, we had our FIRST inspection this Saturday and today we'll finish up the list of good catches he found. Ready for re-inspection next weekend, then cross training in TX for Wes and he'll be ready to go. Still have no intention of flying with him, but the excitement is infectious! > > Later, - Lew > > do not archive > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Avionics in, engine started! > > >


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    Time: 02:25:39 PM PST US
    From: Russell Shavitz <rashvac@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Bent fuselage
    I pulled my floor out and all the holes are drilled but they do not match the side channels and the back of the fuse does not match the tailcone bulkhead there is a twist in the fuse. Is this normal and will it straighten when I install the tailcone. -----Original Message----- >From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> >Sent: Mar 15, 2010 7:27 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bent fuselage > > >Welcome to the new QB factory! > >Actually I believe I can explain this one: > >"2.)it does not look like they put any twist in the 1041 or 1040 channels, so the 1050 floor pan holes do not match up with all the underlying structure especially the side channels." > >On my QB kit, there were 3-4 holes that were not drilled through the floor pans and into the side channels. I thought I had the same issue, but after digging around with a flashlight and mirror to look underneath, I could see that they left those holes untouched. The only logic I could come up with is that the twist is slightly different from fuse to fuse, so they wanted to leave those holes untouched until each of us could put our own floor boards in. > >I'll bet your holes aren't drilled either. It's pretty easy to see with an inspection mirror and a small flashlight. > >Phil > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Russell Shavitz [mailto:rashvac@earthlink.net] >Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:02 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Bent fuselage > > >I am finally getting around to doing Van's quality control inspection on my RV-10 quick build fuselage. I have counted 43 errors or omissions. Some of these are very minor, like snap bushings not being installed, some are a little harder; having to drill out AN470 rivets to install flush rivets. > >The areas of major concern, and maybe someone can enlighten me are: >1.)the bend angle in the rear of the fuselage does not match the F-1006 bulkhead and the F-1023B gussets does not match the holes in the underlying structure. >2.)it does not look like they put any twist in the 1041 or 1040 channels, so the 1050 floor pan holes do not match up with all the underlying structure especially the side channels. > >Can anyone tell me if this is going to be a big problem? > >3.)all of my interior sheet metal did not get machine counter sunk for the #8 screws - can you machine counter sink these parts that have nut plates behind them already? > >Thanks. > > >Russell Shavitz >Shavitz Heating & Air Conditioning >4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077 >office: 847-678-1000 >cell: 847-417-6622 >www.shavitz.com > > Russell Shavitz Shavitz Heating & Air Conditioning 4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077 office: 847-678-1000 cell: 847-417-6622 www.shavitz.com


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    Time: 03:03:18 PM PST US
    From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Jumper plug and recepticle.
    Some good advice would be appreciated. A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbe lly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug. This is quite an large heavy item. Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and f inding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly=2C I need a towplane and a good thermal day. People who fly powerplanes=2C how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge? I am seriously thinking of returning this item. Thanks=2C JOhn


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    Time: 03:25:10 PM PST US
    From: William DeLacey <whd721@msn.com>
    Subject: Taxes
    Oregon Sales tax -zero Aircraft single -$55 Real estate -8-10% Varies by county > From: chuck@chuckdirect.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Taxes > Date: Sun=2C 14 Mar 2010 11:44:45 -0700 > > > We're moving out of California. Too many taxes/fees > > For those of you who live in NV=2C AZ=2C OR=2C Montana or NM what do you pay for: > 1. Sales tax percent (if any) for airplanes purchases > 2. Yearly fee/taxes for airplanes > 3. Annual real estate property tax for personal residence and/or hanger > > Thanks=2C > Chuck > Do not archive > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2


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    Time: 05:22:50 PM PST US
    Subject: RV-10 Kit for sale
    From: "doctornigel" <nschultz3@cfl.rr.com>
    A opportunity to purchase another plane has moved me to offer my RV-10 kit for sale. Includes quick build fuse and quick build wings both with very little work completed except inventory and rolling carrier for the wings. Also the emp is 95% complete, high quality, alumapreped, alodined, and epoxied primered. A virtually complete tool set-up, a combination of Avery and Brown tools and a couple of thousand dollars of accessories. You transport from my shop in east central Florida. 40K firm and you will be saving 10K plus 400 hours of work. Thanks, nschultz3 at cfl.rr.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290395#290395


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    Time: 06:15:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Seat rails
    From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
    Hey Guys, I asked the inspector (Vic Syracuse) - who has built a couple of -10's - if he had any tricks for getting the seats out. He said he trimmed off the upper "ears" of the rear of the I rails so that after removing the seat position pin, the seat slides back, then tips up without hitting the flap tunnel covers. I did that today and it works like a charm. Perhaps this has been covered by others, but I don't remember it, and I'm too tired tonight to search it! I'll attach a pic. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Avionics in, engine started! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290396#290396 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/seat_rails_medium_130.jpg


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    Time: 06:25:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Wing jacks
    From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
    Hey Guys, Here's another one. I'm in the process of building wing jacks like Tim's and I'm wondering how often you need both wheels off the ground ... would one jack work for almost all wheel repairs, put a scale under one wheel at a time, etc.? Also, with a flat, does the minimum height of these jacks fit under the wing jack point? Thanks, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Avionics in, engine started! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290397#290397


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    Time: 07:02:26 PM PST US
    From: Miller John <gengrumpy@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing jacks
    With some recent history on flats and I have Tim's jacks as well...... There will most likely be times when you need to have both main wheels off the ground at the same time. You can do this with 2 jacks, or with 1 jack, have some good, tall wood dunnage you can lower one axle onto and then move to the other wing and jack it up. No problem with height of the jack and a flat.....except the nose wheel. I use my 2 jacks with a 2x4 on top to raise the nose gear off the ground (put the 2x4 just behind the bulkhead). Works great except when the nose wheel goes flat.....:-) I've since put in an anchor in my hangar floor (like Tim did) so that I can pull down the tail and raise the nose. Works great as long as the tail is sitting reasonably close to over the anchor. If I had it to do over again, I would modify Tim's jacks so that they sit on a flat piece of iron. That extra inch kept me from getting the 2x4 under the fuselage when the nose tire went flat..... grumpy On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > > Hey Guys, > > Here's another one. I'm in the process of building wing jacks like > Tim's and I'm wondering how often you need both wheels off the > ground ... would one jack work for almost all wheel repairs, put a > scale under one wheel at a time, etc.? > > Also, with a flat, does the minimum height of these jacks fit under > the wing jack point? > > Thanks, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Avionics in, engine started! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290397#290397 > >


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    Time: 07:03:06 PM PST US
    From: "Rick" <ricksked@cox.net>
    Subject: Jumper plug and receptacle.
    John, I'm running two 680's, my batteries are accessible through a rear panel in the aft baggage bulkhead. I have a solid state charger from Odyssey, (see Tim's site, it's the same) that will bring those batteries up to full charge in 15 minutes if needed. I only use it if we are playing with the avionics for a long time on battery power. Either one, fully charged will start the engine. If I were to do it again I might consider a plug, not that heavy duty you're looking at but one I've seen on other light aircraft. Why? Only if I needed to charge a battery on the road at and FBO, I'll swap one battery this summer with a new one, the other next summer.always have a fairly new battery onboard at all times that way. Rick S. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Jumper plug and recepticle. Some good advice would be appreciated. A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug. This is quite an large heavy item. Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day. People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge? I am seriously thinking of returning this item. Thanks, JOhn


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    Time: 07:13:55 PM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Jumper plug and recepticle.
    I installed the Piper style plug on my baggage bulkhead and also carry the plug in unit that the jumper cables will attach to. It's really handy when I am using the avionices in the hangar and don't want to run the battedry down but I only have needed a jumpstart when I left the master on. It beats having to remove the baggage bulkhead to access the battery. (I'm hoping that whoever gives me a jump start will have jumper cables also.) Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ Subject: RV10-List: Jumper plug and recepticle. Some good advice would be appreciated. A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug. This is quite an large heavy item. Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day. People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge? I am seriously thinking of returning this item. Thanks, JOhn


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    Time: 07:16:37 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
    Subject: Jumper plug and recepticle.
    These days of electric panels, one may be assuming a significant risk taking off after jumping a dead battery. Considering the availability of batteries like Odyssey (they hold 90% of their charge after sitting for 6 months), the only way to get a dead battery is to leave something on or a problem with the charging system. Either way, the battery should be considered damaged until you can do a recovery and subsequent test discharge, or better yet just replace it. The bottom line (my opinion), jumping dead batteries went out with battery boxes to collect acid overflows. Send the extra weight back for a refund. Carl Froehlich (RV-8A flying with two Odyssey PC-625s and all electric panel) RV-10 (systems install) From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Jumper plug and recepticle. Some good advice would be appreciated. A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug. This is quite an large heavy item. Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day. People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge? I am seriously thinking of returning this item. Thanks, JOhn


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    Time: 07:16:56 PM PST US
    From: "Rick" <ricksked@cox.net>
    Subject: Bent fuselage
    Russell, For once I'm really not trying to be a smart A** but I am really glad I didn't go the QB route. Building the fuselage was the most fun of all the kits IMHO. These problems seem to have started to crop up after Vans changed contractors in the PI. I feel for you guys who forked over the extra $ to get a product that seems to not live up to the extra cost/time value. If you have a no sh*t twist in your fuselage Russell the end result will be an airframe that is not true. The fuselage is the trunk of the tree and the wing/HS/VS incidences along with the thrust line are all established of off it. Regardless of the time involved, I would demand a new one. Rick S. Getting close to 100 hours. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Shavitz Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:56 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bent fuselage I pulled my floor out and all the holes are drilled but they do not match the side channels and the back of the fuse does not match the tailcone bulkhead there is a twist in the fuse. Is this normal and will it straighten when I install the tailcone. -----Original Message----- >From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> >Sent: Mar 15, 2010 7:27 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Bent fuselage > > >Welcome to the new QB factory! > >Actually I believe I can explain this one: > >"2.)it does not look like they put any twist in the 1041 or 1040 channels, so the 1050 floor pan holes do not match up with all the underlying structure especially the side channels." > >On my QB kit, there were 3-4 holes that were not drilled through the floor pans and into the side channels. I thought I had the same issue, but after digging around with a flashlight and mirror to look underneath, I could see that they left those holes untouched. The only logic I could come up with is that the twist is slightly different from fuse to fuse, so they wanted to leave those holes untouched until each of us could put our own floor boards in. > >I'll bet your holes aren't drilled either. It's pretty easy to see with an inspection mirror and a small flashlight. > >Phil > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Russell Shavitz [mailto:rashvac@earthlink.net] >Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:02 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Bent fuselage > > >I am finally getting around to doing Van's quality control inspection on my RV-10 quick build fuselage. I have counted 43 errors or omissions. Some of these are very minor, like snap bushings not being installed, some are a little harder; having to drill out AN470 rivets to install flush rivets. > >The areas of major concern, and maybe someone can enlighten me are: >1.)the bend angle in the rear of the fuselage does not match the F-1006 bulkhead and the F-1023B gussets does not match the holes in the underlying structure. >2.)it does not look like they put any twist in the 1041 or 1040 channels, so the 1050 floor pan holes do not match up with all the underlying structure especially the side channels. > >Can anyone tell me if this is going to be a big problem? > >3.)all of my interior sheet metal did not get machine counter sunk for the #8 screws - can you machine counter sink these parts that have nut plates behind them already? > >Thanks. > > >Russell Shavitz >Shavitz Heating & Air Conditioning >4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077 >office: 847-678-1000 >cell: 847-417-6622 >www.shavitz.com > > Russell Shavitz Shavitz Heating & Air Conditioning 4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077 office: 847-678-1000 cell: 847-417-6622 www.shavitz.com


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    Time: 07:17:45 PM PST US
    Subject: Jumper plug and recepticle.
    From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
    John you may have seen my set up on the 8A (under development). Yes heavy (not sure we have the same one as mine can't be 1.5 lbs.), yes kind of ugly. My only answer is that when you need one you need one. With modern EFIS you will find yourself plugged in a heck of a lot more than you may think. The system update for my G900x takes about 30 minutes. Initial programming could be hours. No reason you can't simplify with basic leads near the batteries but the plugs are easier to use and get to when loaded (the baggage area loaded, not when you are loaded). Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Jumper plug and recepticle. Some good advice would be appreciated. A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug. This is quite an large heavy item. Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day. People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge? I am seriously thinking of returning this item. Thanks, JOhn


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    Time: 07:19:52 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Jumper plug and recepticle.
    Depends on how frequently you leave a light or radio on overnight.... Realistically, you shouldn't need it too often. With that said, the one time I needed it on my Cherokee, it was rather convenient to jump start with my car. Having to pull a battery is a real PITA. Another use is to plug in ground power to practice with you glass panels and avionics in the hangar. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Jumper plug and recepticle. Some good advice would be appreciated. A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug. This is quite an large heavy item. Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day. People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge? I am seriously thinking of returning this item. Thanks, JOhn


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    Time: 07:21:18 PM PST US
    From: "Gordon Anderson" <mregoan@hispeed.ch>
    Subject: Rudder puzzle
    I found a similar problem last week but looking into it harder I was convinced that the R1004A and B were wrongly punched. Looking up the bottom of the rudder, the assembled bottom rib is close to 3/16" too narrow at the spar end, with the gap gradually opening up from the trailing edge. The skin holes also match poorly as do yours. I rang Van's, ordered a new part, and asked them to double check the pre-punched hole locations before sending. Don't even think about flattening and rebending! Gordon Anderson Kit 41015 Empennage From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Colohan Sent: 13 March 2010 23:24 Subject: RV10-List: Rudder puzzle I've reached page 7-6, step 4 --- and found my first puzzle. When I went to cleco on the right R-1001 skin, I found that the holes near the rudder spar in piece R-1004B do not line up with the skin. The holes in every other piece do line up with the skin. As you approach the spar, the holes in the R-1004B piece appear to be lower than the holes in the skin. Figuring maybe the right and left skin differed, I put on the R-1001 left skin, and it lined up and fit perfectly. The two skins are punched identically. It looks like the design doesn't account for the thickness of part R-1004A (and then some?) when sandwiching R1004-A and R-1004B together. A picture is worth a thousand words. So posted a bunch of photos here: http://picasaweb.google.com/colohan/TailSection?authkey=Gv1sRgCK-Q2JfUgc73bw #5448246711194853154 Now, my question: what can I do about this? My choices seem to be: a) get some metal and fabricate a R-1004B with holes which match the skin. b) straighten out the 90 degree angle and try to rebend my R-1004B slightly differently to get this to line up. c) turn some of the holes in either the R-1004B or skin into ovals so they reach the holes in the other piece. As far as I can tell, the R-1005 horn is not improperly warped or bent in any way (which would explain this). Is there an option I'm missing? I fear that the best option is fabricating a replacement piece, but I don't think I have any metal of the appropriate dimensions (so I'd have to order some and wait). Thanks! Chris


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    Time: 08:10:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing jacks
    From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry@qwest.net>
    Another way to raise the nose wheel is to remove the upper cowl, place a loop of nylon webbing through the upper motor mount tubes, and lift with your engine hoist. It is my understanding that you do not want to use the engine lift point. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290413#290413


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    Time: 08:21:55 PM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: Jumper plug and recepticle.
    It depends on how often you leave the master switch on or have trouble getting the engine to start. In the first 115 hours in my plane, I have not needed one. I went the simple route. I got a small trickle charger and connected the provided cord, with plug, to the battery. I run the cord through the rear shoulder harness cable slot (I have inertial reels and do not use the cables). Whenever I have the master switch on for an extended period of time, I plug in the charger. Simple, yet effective. When I go on long trips, I bring the charger with me just in case. Could not jump the airplane, but could recharge the battery. Rene 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Jumper plug and recepticle. Some good advice would be appreciated. A few weeks ago I saw a post about Aircraft Spruce's jumper plug. I placed an order for several items and bought this too. I am quite surprised by the quality of this unit as it looks like a unit one would find on the underbelly of a commercial airliner. My problem with it is that it weighs 1 pound seven ounces and that does not include the cable which needs to be attached to the plug. This is quite an large heavy item. Being a sailplane pilot I have not had the issue of going to my plane and finding a dead battery. I don't need a jumpstart to fly, I need a towplane and a good thermal day. People who fly powerplanes, how often does a plane need a jumpstart or a serious battery recharge? I am seriously thinking of returning this item. Thanks, JOhn




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