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1. 01:36 AM - Re: Re: Wing jacks (Albert Gardner)
2. 01:50 AM - Re: Re: Wing jacks (Rene Felker)
3. 01:54 AM - Re: Re: Rear headset jacks on torque tube covers (Chuck Weyant)
4. 01:54 AM - Re: Fuel tank skin not fitting tank ribs. (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: Wing jacks (Jesse Saint)
6. 07:52 AM - control cables (Chris Hukill)
7. 08:05 AM - Re: Fuel tank skin not fitting tank ribs. (stuewe)
8. 08:13 AM - Re: control cables (Seano)
9. 09:16 AM - Securing Conduit (Perry, Phil)
10. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Wing jacks (Michael Kraus)
11. 09:34 AM - Re: Securing Conduit (Linn Walters)
12. 09:50 AM - Re: Jumper plug and recepticle.Jumper plug and recepticle. (Kevin O'Shea)
13. 10:03 AM - Re: Jumper plug and recepticle. (dmaib@me.com)
14. 11:02 AM - Re: control cables (Jim Berry)
15. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Wing jacks (Albert Gardner)
16. 02:36 PM - Re: Rear headset jacks on torque tube covers (conradb)
17. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Rear headset jacks on torque tube covers (Linn Walters)
18. 04:09 PM - Re: Re: Wing jacks (Kelly McMullen)
19. 05:26 PM - Re: Wing jacks (tsts4)
20. 05:31 PM - Re: control cables (Ron B.)
21. 06:45 PM - Protective covers? (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
22. 07:01 PM - Re: Protective covers? (McGann, Ron)
23. 07:05 PM - Re: Protective covers? (Miller John)
24. 07:32 PM - Re: Protective covers? (Linn Walters)
25. 08:35 PM - Re: Protective covers? (DLM)
26. 08:55 PM - Re: Protective covers? (McGann, Ron)
27. 10:46 PM - Propellers/Propulsers; Propeller Overspeed in Piston Engine Aircraft - Propellers (Dave Saylor)
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I have a 3 blade Aero Composit prop and in order to remove the lower cowl I
have to pull the tail down so the front gear leg can drop down and provide
clearance. I have a 4-wheel HF furniture dolly wilh 180 lbs of concrete mix
on it and a block and tackle that does the job. My wing jacks (I'm glad I
have two) are HF rams in a plywood stand.
Albert Gardner
N9914RV
Yuma, AZ
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348 lbs for me when I built it. I am in the middle of adding a battery on
the firewall....it should go up aft that.
Rene
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Wing jacks
Jim Berry wrote:
>
> I have read, maybe in LightPlane Mainteance, that lifting the plane by the
engine strap can crack the crankcase.
I suppose that might be possible ..... but don't know how probable.
> Fortunately not one of those things that I learned by experience.
>
I'm with ya on that! :-D I'm hoping that someone with experience
will chime in . Maybe someone with W&B info can tell us what the weight
on the nosewheel is.
Linn
do not archive
> Jim Berry
> 40482
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| Subject: | Re: Rear headset jacks on torque tube covers |
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Rosen
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Rear headset jacks on torque tube covers
Conrad,
Would you share pictures of your installation?
Larry Rosen
conradb wrote:
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> Try mounting them in the rear arm rests using the specially designed
recessed holder that you can purchase for $16.00 at Spruces.
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> --------
> Conrad Booze
> Sr. Engineer
> P. O. Box 7028
> Warner Robins, GA. 31095
> (478)-335-4264
> conradbooze@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank skin not fitting tank ribs. |
Make sure that the rib flanges are bent 90* to the web. Also, I found it easier
to start clecoing the first two holes of the top and bottom skin at the forward
leading edge and worked my way back and forth one row and a time alternating
top and bottom working my way aft towards the rear baffle.
David Clifford
RV-10 In Progress
Empennage Done
Engine Overhauled & Pickled
Closing up The Wings
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From: "stuewe" <stuewe@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 8:00:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank skin not fitting tank ribs.
I'm working on my first fuel tank and I'm having trouble getting the skin to fit
to the ribs. It's like the skin was bent at too small a radius at the leading
edge. I have the ribs cleco'ed to the top side of the tank skin, but I cannot
get even CLOSE to getting the holes on the other side to align. I had some difficulty
with the same phase of the outboard leading edges, but nothing like
this tank skin.
So, the question is: Is there a trick I'm missing?
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I don't remember who posted this, but I did the exact same thing as this but with
a welded steel structure. I screw the jack receiver into the tie-down ring
base and jack the plane up from there. It is very secure and I am very comfortable
with it. I would not use any other system that didn't have the positive
connection as I have with the tie-down ring receiver, so there's no way it can
fall off the jack.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Mar 17, 2010, at 12:36 AM, Albert Gardner wrote:
> I have a 3 blade Aero Composit prop and in order to remove the lower cowl I
> have to pull the tail down so the front gear leg can drop down and provide
> clearance. I have a 4-wheel HF furniture dolly wilh 180 lbs of concrete mix
> on it and a block and tackle that does the job. My wing jacks (I'm glad I
> have two) are HF rams in a plywood stand. I drilled a hole for a short piece
> of threaded rod that replaces the wing tie-down so the plane can't slip off
> of the jack. There is no safety lock on the jack so I block up the axel as
> soon as I remove a wheel.
>
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
> <DSC00006 (Small).JPG>
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Has anyone figured out a good way to protect the firewall integrity were
the control cables pass thru the firewall in the stock holes?
There is no space between the holes (1/4 inch) to accommodate the
eyeball type pass- thru, nor the stainless shields. I could trim three
shields and nestle them together, but has anyone made a shield in one
piece that would cover all three holes? How about you guys with access
to a machine shop that could punch out such a shield and sell them to us
less fortunate.
I'm also looking for a source for stainless flanges to run thermocouple
wires thru.
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank skin not fitting tank ribs. |
Thanks for the tips/hints guys. I'll give those a try.
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| Subject: | Re: control cables |
I sandwiched stainless steel rings with three eyeballs and sealed it all
together. I wish I hadn't drilled out the original holes until I was
ready.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hukill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:46 AM
Subject: RV10-List: control cables
Has anyone figured out a good way to protect the firewall integrity
were the control cables pass thru the firewall in the stock holes?
There is no space between the holes (1/4 inch) to accommodate the
eyeball type pass- thru, nor the stainless shields. I could trim three
shields and nestle them together, but has anyone made a shield in one
piece that would cover all three holes? How about you guys with access
to a machine shop that could punch out such a shield and sell them to us
less fortunate.
I'm also looking for a source for stainless flanges to run
thermocouple wires thru.
Chris Hukill
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| Subject: | Securing Conduit |
I am running a piece of =BD" flexible conduit from the battery
compartment and back through the tailcone. It's actually travelling
through (3) bulkhead lightening holes on the lower/left side of the
tailcone. Each end is secured by Adel clamps and the middle bulkhead
has a grommet.
However, after installing the conduit there is still quite a bit of
slack between the bulkheads and I'd like to add some support(s) between
each one.
I'm thinking about using a 1" x 1" nylon block (Lowes Aviation Dept)
that is secured to the skin and then using a zip-tie to secure the
conduit. I think E6000 (IIRC) is will stick and stay stuck.
1) Is this an acceptable method to add incremental support for
conduit?
2) Are there any significant risks in causing skin cracks around
rivets later?
3) Any advice on other materials to use?
Thanks,
Phil
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I purchased my wing jacks from www.aircraftjacks.com about 3 years
ago. I needed them small enough for my RV-4 and to extend big enough
for my RV-10. They work great and I highly recommend them for long
term maintenance. I also purchased their tail stand for which you add
your own concrete.....
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:31 PM, "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> I have a 3 blade Aero Composit prop and in order to remove the lower
> cowl I
> have to pull the tail down so the front gear leg can drop down and
> provide
> clearance. I have a 4-wheel HF furniture dolly wilh 180 lbs of
> concrete mix
> on it and a block and tackle that does the job. My wing jacks (I'm
> glad I
> have two) are HF rams in a plywood stand.
>
> Albert Gardner
> N9914RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
> <DSC00006 (Small).JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: Securing Conduit |
The flex conduit runs I've seen in the tail don't have any additional
support. I'm planning on using thin-wall PVC pipe and hangars from Home
Depot (idea came from another builder!) for conduit in the wings and in
the tail.
Linn
Perry, Phil wrote:
>
> I am running a piece of " flexible conduit from the battery
> compartment and back through the tailcone. It's actually travelling
> through (3) bulkhead lightening holes on the lower/left side of the
> tailcone. Each end is secured by Adel clamps and the middle bulkhead
> has a grommet.
>
>
>
> However, after installing the conduit there is still quite a bit of
> slack between the bulkheads and I'd like to add some support(s)
> between each one.
>
>
>
> I'm thinking about using a 1" x 1" nylon block (Lowes Aviation Dept)
> that is secured to the skin and then using a zip-tie to secure the
> conduit. I think E6000 (IIRC) is will stick and stay stuck.
>
>
>
> 1) Is this an acceptable method to add incremental support for
> conduit?
>
> 2) Are there any significant risks in causing skin cracks around
> rivets later?
>
> 3) Any advice on other materials to use?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jumper plug and recepticle.Jumper plug and recepticle. |
On several airplanes have used very simple matching plugs used for
forklift charging. Mcmaster stocks 7043k22. About $10.
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| Subject: | Re: Jumper plug and recepticle. |
[quote="Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com"]I was thinking about putting it into the baggage
bulkhead and located just in front of the baggage door. This way it would
be out of the weather, but still accessible via the baggage door.
My plan may be flawed though. The further you get into the project, the more you
realize that all that thinking you did previously really doesn't matter. :)
Phil
Phil, that is where I located mine and I am very happy with it in that position.
I have an opening for it in my aft baggage bulkhead and in the upholstery panel.
It is covered by a small rectangular cover that velcros in position. Abby
at Flightline Interiors did a nice job on it. I also made a plug out of a block
of phenolic that stays "plugged in" when not in use to protect the pins. As
I mentioned in an earlier post, I would not want to be without it.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: control cables |
Chris,
For stainless flanges for your thermocouple wires look at Home Depot bathroom fittings
i.e. towel bars or grab bars. See the Aeroelectric list for for pictures
and discussion.
Jim Berry
40482
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Here is how I hold my tail down when needed. Otherwise I roll it into a
corner.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Rear headset jacks on torque tube covers |
Rob;
Here's a couple of pic's of what I am doing about the rear headphone/mic phone
jacks.
Conrad
--------
Conrad Booze
Sr. Engineer
P. O. Box 7028
Warner Robins, GA. 31095
(478)-335-4264
conradbooze@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Rear headset jacks on torque tube covers |
Nice installation! I was going to mount mine in the channel above the
panel where you did. I couldn't figure a good place to hang the
headsets where the cords were out of the way of passengers getting
in/out. So I mounted mine in the console cover between the seats.
Linn
conradb wrote:
>
> Rob;
>
> Here's a couple of pic's of what I am doing about the rear headphone/mic phone
jacks.
>
> Conrad
>
> --------
> Conrad Booze
> Sr. Engineer
> P. O. Box 7028
> Warner Robins, GA. 31095
> (478)-335-4264
> conradbooze@cox.net
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If you attached a fence post of the right length, you could just put a
bolt through to secure the tail from going up or down. With it secure,
jacking on either wing tie down point, or both will raise the nose.
That is how a gear check is done on retractables.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Here is how I hold my tail down when needed. Otherwise I roll it into a
> corner.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
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Has anyone used this type of jack?
http://www.averytools.com/pc-913-48-the-handy-jack-eldorado-aviation.aspx
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings
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| Subject: | Re: control cables |
Try Plane Innovations. Look under firewall penetrations.
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| Subject: | Protective covers? |
I was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my AOA
pressure ports using a couple of suction cups with a "Remove before
Flight" tag hanging off.
Overkill, or useful?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Protective covers? |
Don't have an opinion on the static ports. But I highly recommend a cover
or preflight on the fuel vent lines. I had a wog crawl into the line and c
ompletely seal the vent - noticeable by a profound sucking noise when the f
uel cap is removed. Having seen the consequences of a blocked vent (a badl
y crushed tank), I check the vent line is clear every flight.
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM flying in Oz
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Protective covers?
I was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my AOA pre
ssure ports using a couple of suction cups with a "Remove before Flight" t
ag hanging off.
Overkill, or useful?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Protective covers? |
Gotta ask for the rest of the list, Ron.
What's a wog????
grumpy
do not archive
On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:00 PM, McGann, Ron wrote:
> Don=92t have an opinion on the static ports. But I highly recommend a
> cover or preflight on the fuel vent lines. I had a wog crawl into
> the line and completely seal the vent ' noticeable by a profound
> sucking noise when the fuel cap is removed. Having seen the
> consequences of a blocked vent (a badly crushed tank), I check the
> vent line is clear every flight.
>
> Cheers
> Ron
> VH-XRM flying in Oz
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:39 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Protective covers?
>
> I was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my
> AOA pressure ports using a couple of suction cups with a =93Remove
> before Flight=94 tag hanging off.
>
> Overkill, or useful?
>
> TDT
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
> 40025
> tdt@aurora.aero
> 617-500-4812 (office)
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Protective covers? |
A bent pipe cleaner (W) poked into the vent will keep out critters. Mud
daubers are a problem here in the SE, and the pipe cleaners work. You
don't even have to remove them for flight.
Linn
McGann, Ron wrote:
>
> Don't have an opinion on the static ports. But I highly recommend a
> cover or preflight on the fuel vent lines. I had a wog crawl into the
> line and completely seal the vent -- noticeable by a profound sucking
> noise when the fuel cap is removed. Having seen the consequences of a
> blocked vent (a badly crushed tank), I check the vent line is clear
> every flight.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
> VH-XRM flying in Oz
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> *Sent:* Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:39 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Protective covers?
>
>
>
> I was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my
> AOA pressure ports using a couple of suction cups with a "Remove
> before Flight" tag hanging off.
>
>
>
> Overkill, or useful?
>
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> 40025
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
> * *
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| Subject: | Protective covers? |
another reason to have two holes per vent line. I have the normal vent lines
beveled forward and inside the fairing I have a #50 hole drilled in the
backside of the vent line. This is in a protected area in case impact ice or
snow would clog the normal vent.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Protective covers?
Gotta ask for the rest of the list, Ron.
What's a wog????
grumpy
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On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:00 PM, McGann, Ron wrote:
Don't have an opinion on the static ports. But I highly recommend a cover
or preflight on the fuel vent lines. I had a wog crawl into the line and
completely seal the vent - noticeable by a profound sucking noise when the
fuel cap is removed. Having seen the consequences of a blocked vent (a
badly crushed tank), I check the vent line is clear every flight.
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM flying in Oz
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Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Protective covers?
I was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my AOA
pressure ports using a couple of suction cups with a "Remove before Flight"
tag hanging off.
Overkill, or useful?
TDT
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40025
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Aussie slang for any creepy crawley, bug, critter, insect etc. There are
also a number of politically incorrect definitions that I won't go in to,
but none in that category will fit inside the vent line :).
Cheers
Ron
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Protective covers?
Gotta ask for the rest of the list, Ron.
What's a wog????
grumpy
do not archive
On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:00 PM, McGann, Ron wrote:
Don't have an opinion on the static ports. But I highly recommend a cover
or preflight on the fuel vent lines. I had a wog crawl into the line and c
ompletely seal the vent - noticeable by a profound sucking noise when the f
uel cap is removed. Having seen the consequences of a blocked vent (a badl
y crushed tank), I check the vent line is clear every flight.
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM flying in Oz
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daw
son-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Protective covers?
I was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my AOA pre
ssure ports using a couple of suction cups with a "Remove before Flight" t
ag hanging off.
Overkill, or useful?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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This notice from the FAA makes a good point. I thought it was worth
reading.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
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Watsonville, CA 95076
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