---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/18/10: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:35 AM - Re: Protective covers? (Miller John) 2. 06:36 AM - Re: Fuel tank skin not fitting tank ribs. (stuewe) 3. 09:06 AM - Re: Protective covers? (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 4. 04:57 PM - egt probe suggestions (Pascal) 5. 04:57 PM - Re: Protective covers? (Patrick Pulis) 6. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (William F. Genevro) 7. 05:50 PM - front spar bracket - HS (JHearnsberger) 8. 06:00 PM - Re: Propellers/Propulsers; Propeller Overspeed in Piston Engine Aircraft - Propellers (John Cumins) 9. 06:57 PM - Re: front spar bracket - HS (Don McDonald) 10. 07:58 PM - Re: front spar bracket - HS (Tim Olson) 11. 08:08 PM - Finish Kit Question (Bob Leffler) 12. 08:18 PM - Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (orchidman) 13. 09:08 PM - Re: Finish Kit Question (Jim Berry) 14. 10:06 PM - Re: front spar bracket - HS (Rick) 15. 10:11 PM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? (Don McDonald) 16. 10:56 PM - Re: Protective covers? (Gordon Anderson) 17. 10:57 PM - Re: front spar bracket - HS (Rick) 18. 11:16 PM - Re: Re: Finish Kit Question (Rick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:57 AM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: Protective covers? Oh, I get it. Like American politicians! grumpy do not archive On Mar 17, 2010, at 10:52 PM, McGann, Ron wrote: > Aussie slang for any creepy crawley, bug, critter, insect etc. > There are also a number of politically incorrect definitions that I > won=92t go in to, but none in that category will fit inside the vent > line J. > > Cheers > Ron > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Miller John > Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 1:05 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Protective covers? > > Gotta ask for the rest of the list, Ron. > > What's a wog???? > > grumpy > do not archive > > On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:00 PM, McGann, Ron wrote: > > > Don=92t have an opinion on the static ports. But I highly recommend a > cover or preflight on the fuel vent lines. I had a wog crawl into > the line and completely seal the vent ' noticeable by a profound > sucking noise when the fuel cap is removed. Having seen the > consequences of a blocked vent (a badly crushed tank), I check the > vent line is clear every flight. > > Cheers > Ron > VH-XRM flying in Oz > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy > Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:39 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Protective covers? > > I was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my > AOA pressure ports using a couple of suction cups with a =93Remove > before Flight=94 tag hanging off. > > Overkill, or useful? > > TDT > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > 40025 > tdt@aurora.aero > 617-500-4812 (office) > 617-905-4800 (mobile) > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > List http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ============== http://forums.matronics.com ============== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:24 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Fuel tank skin not fitting tank ribs. From: "stuewe" Well, last night I managed to get the tank skins cleco'd to the ribs. Turns out the major issue was that it was a 2-person job and I had been using an insufficient number of persons. I recruited the wife to hold the skin steady out of the cradle while I cleco'd the skin to the ribs starting in the middle and working my way up both sides. Thanks again for the tips. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290744#290744 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:50 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Protective covers? This is one of those things that has always intrigued me. Has anyone done the math on if an #50 hole can provide the volume of air to offset 10+ gall ons per hour? Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Protective covers? another reason to have two holes per vent line. I have the normal vent line s beveled forward and inside the fairing I have a #50 hole drilled in the backside of the vent line. This is in a protected area in case impact ice o r snow would clog the normal vent. ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:05 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Protective covers? Gotta ask for the rest of the list, Ron. What's a wog???? grumpy do not archive On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:00 PM, McGann, Ron wrote: Don't have an opinion on the static ports. But I highly recommend a cover or preflight on the fuel vent lines. I had a wog crawl into the line and c ompletely seal the vent - noticeable by a profound sucking noise when the f uel cap is removed. Having seen the consequences of a blocked vent (a badl y crushed tank), I check the vent line is clear every flight. Cheers Ron VH-XRM flying in Oz ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daw son-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Protective covers? I was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my AOA pre ssure ports using a couple of suction cups with a "Remove before Flight" t ag hanging off. Overkill, or useful? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" style="color: blu e; text-decoration: underline; href="http://www.matronics.com/contributio n" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics .com/contribution ========== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:38 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: RV10-List: egt probe suggestions I've looked at the VAF forums for egt probe locations as my Dynon manual gives a broad range. I was going to settle for 3 inches as that seemed like a good compromise between shorter life of the probe at 2" and slower change at 4". I noticed there was a flyer however that had his at 2.75 inches from the flange and they burnt off, maybe too lean? maybe an issue with Dynon probes? So my question- I know EI has a 1.5-2 inch range in their probes so I think there is a difference in probes and who makes them. Anyone with Dynon provided probes have any issues of longetivity? and where did you position them in reference to the flange? Thanks Pascal ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:39 PM PST US From: Patrick Pulis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Protective covers? I like Tim's check valve idea in case the vent line becomes blocked.=0A=0A' Onya' (Aussie for good on you) again Tim.=0A=0ARegards=0A=0APat=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: RV Builder (Michael Sausen) =0ATo: "rv10-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Fri, 19 March, 2010 12:23:49 AM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Protec tive covers?=0A=0A=0AThis is one of those things that has always intrigued me.=C2- Has anyone done the math on if an #50 hole can provide the volume of air to offset 10+ gallons per hour?=0A=C2-=0AMichael=0A=C2-=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matroni cs.com] On Behalf Of DLM=0ASent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:31 PM=0ATo: r v10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Protective covers?=0A=C2 -=0Aanother reason=C2-to=C2-have two holes per vent line. I have the normal vent lines beveled forward and inside the fairing=C2- I have a #50 hole drilled in the backside of the vent line. This is in a protected area in case impact ice or snow would clog the normal vent.=C2-=0A=0A________ ________________________=0A=0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [ma ilto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John=0ASent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:05 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Protective covers?=0AGotta ask for the rest of the list, Ro n. =0A=C2-=0AWhat's a wog????=0A=C2-=0Agrumpy=0Ado not archive=0A=C2- =0AOn Mar 17, 2010, at 9:00 PM, McGann, Ron wrote:=0A=0A=0ADon=99t ha ve an opinion on the static ports.=C2- But I highly recommend a cover or preflight on the fuel vent lines.=C2- I had a wog crawl into the line and completely seal the vent =93 noticeable by a profound sucking noise when the fuel cap is removed.=C2- Having seen the consequences of a block ed vent (a badly crushed tank), I check the vent line is clear every flight .=0ACheers=0ARon=0AVH-XRM flying in Oz=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0A=0AFrom:=C2-owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=C2-[mailto:owner-r v10-list-server@matronics.com]=C2-On Behalf Of=C2-Dawson-Townsend,Timot hy=0ASent:=C2-Thursday, 18 March 2010 12:39 PM=0ATo:=C2-rv10-list@matro nics.com=0ASubject:=C2-RV10-List: Protective covers?=0AI was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my AOA pressure ports using a couple of suction cups with a =9CRemove before Flight=9D=C2 - tag hanging off.=0AOverkill, or useful?=0ATDT=0ATim Dawson-Townsend=0A4 0025=0Atdt@aurora.aero=0A617-500-4812 (office)=0A617-905-4800 (mobile)=0A =C2-=0A=C2-=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0Ahttp://for ums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=C2-=0A=C2- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" style="color: blue ; text-decoration: underline; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution " style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics. com/contribution ============C2- =0A=C2-=0A =C2 -=0A =C2-=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.c om">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A &bsp;=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- - T he RV10-List Email Forum - href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10- List">http://www.matronics.================ =0A< Same great content also available via the Web Forums!href="http://fo rums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/co ======================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:23 PM PST US From: "William F. Genevro" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? Re: The oil cooler splitter for RV-10s. We here at Airflow Systems supply these splitters at no charge when you buy one of our X series oil coolers from Alex de Dominicis or from us. We did extensive testing to validate the effect of the splitter and it improves the air distribution over the face of the oil cooler, which improves the effectiveness of the cooler. The stock Vans cooler is insufficient if you are in a warm climate and wish to fly the RV-10 at gross and obtain anything close to optimum climb performance. We have now delivered over 85 2006X and 2008X coolers, mostly to RV and F-1 Rocket owners. We also supply a variety of louvers as most Van's and James cowls have insufficient exit area. I try to stay off the forums as a commercial entity, but since we developed the splitter we thought people should know they are available, with instructions, for $49.00 from Airflow Systems, 949-218-9701. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:30 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: front spar bracket - HS From: "JHearnsberger" These brackets have been driving me crazy. I got the first bracket perfect, the left bracket. I screwed up the second, the right bracket. So, I tossed it. There was just enough angle left to try cutting the right bracket again. My cut is ok.... but, the two holes are about 1/32 or 2/32 lower than the two holes on the left bracket. Do I need to keep re-doing these brackets over and over until I get them perfect or are they ok? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290790#290790 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_177.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:18 PM PST US From: "John Cumins" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Propellers/Propulsers; Propeller Overspeed in Piston Engine Aircraft - Propellers Dave This is great information. I will try and remember to add it to add this to my Flight manual in the emergency procedures. I am wondering if anyone has tested this it would be tuff to test and get good numbers for a 10. John G. Cumins President 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94533 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:38 PM Subject: RV10-List: Propellers/Propulsers; Propeller Overspeed in Piston Engine Aircraft - Propellers This notice from the FAA makes a good point. I thought it was worth reading. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: U.S. Federal Aviation Administration Regulatory and Guidance Library Subject: Experimental Propellers/Propulsers; Propeller Overspeed in Piston Engine Aircraft - Propellers CE-10-21 - Small Airplane/ All/ All Models _____ You are subscribed to the FAA's GovDelivery service for Airworthiness Directives and Special Airworthiness Information Bulletins, which are also posted in our Regulatory and Guidance Library (RGL) at http://rgl.faa.gov . This service is provided at no charge. You can update your subscription information at any time on your User Profile Page . If you have any questions about this service, please email us at 9-amc-air140-information-products@faa.gov. GovDelivery, Inc. sending on behalf of FAA RGL . 408 St. Peter Street Suite 600 . St. Paul MN 55102 . 1-800-439-1420 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:56 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: front spar bracket - HS Do you have a set of calipers?- Either dial or digital?- Do you have a drill press?- Do you have any center drills?- If you have all these, th en most-jobs will be much easier.--Mark the parts using the calipers, then center drill, then final drill.... done You will use these throughout the build... any questions, email me offline and I will send you pics of the process... trust me, the whole process will be a piece of cake. Don McDonald Flying, and loving it more than I ever imagined --- On Thu, 3/18/10, JHearnsberger wrote: From: JHearnsberger Subject: RV10-List: front spar bracket - HS m> These brackets have been driving me crazy.- I got the first bracket perfe ct, the left bracket.- I screwed up the second, the right bracket.- So, I tossed it.- There was just enough angle left to try cutting the right bracket again.- My cut is ok.... but, the two holes are about 1/32 or 2/3 2 lower than the two holes on the left bracket. Do I need to keep re-doing these brackets over and over until I get them pe rfect or are they ok? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290790#290790 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_177.jpg le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:21 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: front spar bracket - HS Make 'em perfect or buy those aftermarket ones.....when you see how they fit into the plane and hold things together, you'll be glad they're as perfect as they can be. Tim On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:45 PM, "JHearnsberger" wrote: > > > > These brackets have been driving me crazy. I got the first bracket > perfect, the left bracket. I screwed up the second, the right > bracket. So, I tossed it. There was just enough angle left to try > cutting the right bracket again. My cut is ok.... but, the two > holes are about 1/32 or 2/32 lower than the two holes on the left > bracket. > > Do I need to keep re-doing these brackets over and over until I get > them perfect or are they ok? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290790#290790 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_177.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:51 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RV10-List: Finish Kit Question I'm getting ready to place the order for my finish kit. The following is what I'm looking to substitute in the kit. 1.00 UNW501.25 NOSE WHEEL W/BEARINGS ( getting Matco wheel) 2.00 VENT SV-10 VENT FRESH AIR (don't need since I'm going to use the vents from Steinair) 1.00 RUBBER DOOR SEALX25' VA-198 DOOR SEAL ( using a different door seal) 2.00 C-1016 DOOR STRUT GAS STRUT FOR RV-10 (upgrading to the heavy duty strut) 1.00 U-1009 AXLE ( getting Matco axle) Is there anything else that I've overlooked that I should substitute or source from another vendor? Thanks, Bob ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:18 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? From: "orchidman" bill@airflow wrote: > Re: The oil cooler splitter for RV-10s. We here at Airflow Systems supply these splitters at no charge when you buy one of our X series oil coolers from Alex de Dominicis or from us. . Bill, Is there a picture and/or more detailed description of the splitter available? I have your cooler (thru alex) and would like more info on it. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290818#290818 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:27 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Finish Kit Question From: "Jim Berry" Get the wiring kit instructions for $10, but not the kit itself. Consider dropping the door handles, if you are going to upgrade to one of the after market options. Drop the engine baffle material and get the silicone stuff. If you are going to use the magneto key switch and two door locks combination, you can special order the same thing from ACS with three locks so you can lock both doors and baggage door. Jim Berry 40482 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290821#290821 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:54 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: front spar bracket - HS No kidding, they are in the category of "Jesus" parts....Should they fail that will be the mildest thing you'll say as the HS departs the aircraft. Develop your skills now, they will be used more and more as you progress. Rick S. Flying kit 40185 On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Make 'em perfect or buy those aftermarket ones.....when you see how > they fit into the plane and hold things together, you'll be glad > they're as perfect as they can be. > Tim > > > On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:45 PM, "JHearnsberger" > wrote: > >> > >> >> These brackets have been driving me crazy. I got the first bracket >> perfect, the left bracket. I screwed up the second, the right >> bracket. So, I tossed it. There was just enough angle left to try >> cutting the right bracket again. My cut is ok.... but, the two >> holes are about 1/32 or 2/32 lower than the two holes on the left >> bracket. >> >> Do I need to keep re-doing these brackets over and over until I get >> them perfect or are they ok? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290790#290790 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_177.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:22 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? Here ya go... Pascal just sent me this yesterday.... it's on Tim's site. Don McDonald - http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20090905/index.html --- On Thu, 3/18/10, orchidman wrote: From: orchidman Subject: RV10-List: Re: Oil Cooler Size On RV-10...? bill@airflow wrote: > Re: The oil cooler splitter for RV-10s.- We here at Airflow Systems sup ply these splitters at no charge when you buy one of our X series oil coole rs from Alex de Dominicis or from us. . Bill, Is there a picture and/or more detailed description of the splitter availab le?- I have your cooler (thru alex) and would like more info on it. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290818#290818 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:57 PM PST US From: "Gordon Anderson" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Protective covers? The sensors have to be extremely sensitive to measure the change in pressure associated with a change in AOA, so putting a suction cup over the AOA port might have a negative effect on the calibration of the sensor(s). Just a thought, I don't know the system or components. Gordon Anderson #41015, Switzerland Empennage From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: 18 March 2010 02:39 Subject: RV10-List: Protective covers? I was thinking of making one or two little protective covers for my AOA pressure ports using a couple of suction cups with a "Remove before Flight" tag hanging off. Overkill, or useful? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:44 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: front spar bracket - HS Just to keep you going in the right direction ....2/32nds is 1/16th. ;) Rick On Mar 18, 2010, at 7:45 PM, "JHearnsberger" wrote: > > > > These brackets have been driving me crazy. I got the first bracket > perfect, the left bracket. I screwed up the second, the right > bracket. So, I tossed it. There was just enough angle left to try > cutting the right bracket again. My cut is ok.... but, the two > holes are about 1/32 or 2/32 lower than the two holes on the left > bracket. > > Do I need to keep re-doing these brackets over and over until I get > them perfect or are they ok? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290790#290790 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_177.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:50 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Finish Kit Question OP-37 should be out there for free somewhere save ten bucks if someone has a copy...I posted it several times. Rick On Mar 18, 2010, at 11:02 PM, "Jim Berry" wrote: > > Get the wiring kit instructions for $10, but not the kit itself. > Consider dropping the door handles, if you are going to upgrade to > one of the after market options. Drop the engine baffle material and > get the silicone stuff. If you are going to use the magneto key > switch and two door locks combination, you can special order the > same thing from ACS with three locks so you can lock both doors and > baggage door. > > Jim Berry > 40482 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290821#290821 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.