---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/22/10: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:19 AM - Re: Holes left open (effectus@rogers.com) 2. 06:18 AM - Re: Holes left open (Kelly McMullen) 3. 09:27 AM - Re: Holes left open (effectus@rogers.com) 4. 07:05 PM - permanant rudder trim (Wayne Williams) 5. 11:37 PM - There goes the CG! (Scott Schmidt) 6. 11:43 PM - Re: permanant rudder trim (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Holes left open From: effectus@rogers.com VGhlcmUgaXMgYSBzZXQgb2YgZGltcGxlIGRpZXMgdGhhdCB5b3UgY2FuIGdldCB0aGF0IGdvIGlu IHlvdXIgcml2ZXQgdG9vbC4gVGhleSB3b3JrIGxpa2UgYSBwdWxsZWQgcml2ZXQuDQoNCkEgcGlu IGlzIHB1dCB0aHJvdWdoIHRoZSBjZW50ZXIgb2YgdGhlIGJhY2sgc2lkZSBkaWUgYW5kIHRoZW4g cHV0IHRocm91Z2ggdGhlIGhvbGUuIFRoZSBmcm9udCBkaWUgaXMgcHV0IG92ZXIgdGhlIHBpbiBh bmQgdGhlbiB5b3UgcHV0IHRoZSBoYW5kIHJpdmV0IHB1bGxpbmcgdG9vbCBvdmVyIHRoZSBwaW4u DQoNCllvdSB0aGVuIGNhcmVmdWxseSBzcXVlZXplIHRoZSB0d28gZGllcyB0b2dldGhlci4NCg0K VGhpcyBnaXZlcyB5b3UgYSBwcmV0dHkgZ29vZCBkaW1wbGUgdGhhdCBtaWdodCByZXF1aXJlIHMg Y2xlYW4gdXAgd2l0aCB0aGUgY291bnRlciBzaW5rLg0KDQpEYXZlIEhlcnRuZXINClNlbnQgZnJv bSBteSBCbGFja0JlcnJ5IGRldmljZSBvbiB0aGUgUm9nZXJzIFdpcmVsZXNzIE5ldHdvcmsNCg0K LS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IFJvYiBLb2NobWFuIDxydjEwcm9iQGdt YWlsLmNvbT4NCkRhdGU6IFN1biwgMjEgTWFyIDIwMTAgMjE6Mjc6MzkgDQpUbzogPHJ2MTAtbGlz dEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IFJWMTAtTGlzdDogSG9sZXMgbGVmdCBvcGVu DQoNCllvdSBkZWZpbml0ZWx5IHdhbnQgdG8gY2FsbCBWYW4ncyAoaWYgZm9yIG5vdGhpbmcgZWxz ZSwgdG8gbm90aWZ5IHRoZW0gb2YNCnRoZSBlcnJvcikuICBJIGRvbid0IHNlZSBob3cgeW91IGhh dmUgbXVjaCBvZiBhIGNob2ljZSBidXQgdG8gY291bnRlcnNpbmsNCnRoZW0gbm93Lg0KDQotUm9i DQoNCk9uIFN1biwgTWFyIDIxLCAyMDEwIGF0IDE6MTUgUE0sIFJ1c3NlbGwgU2hhdml0eiA8cmFz aHZhY0BlYXJ0aGxpbmsubmV0Pndyb3RlOg0KDQo+IC0tPiBSVjEwLUxpc3QgbWVzc2FnZSBwb3N0 ZWQgYnk6IFJ1c3NlbGwgU2hhdml0eiA8cmFzaHZhY0BlYXJ0aGxpbmsubmV0Pg0KPg0KPiBNeSBR QiBkaWQgbm90IGhhdmUgdGhlc2UgaG9sZXMgZGltcGxlZCBvciBjb3VudGVyc3VuayBkb2VzIHRo aXMgY2F1c2UgYQ0KPiBwcm9ibGVtIHdoZW4gZmluaXNoaW5nPw0KPiBDYW4gSSBtYWNoaW5lIGNv dW50ZXJzaW5rIHRoZSBza2lucyB3aXRoIHRoZSBsb25nZXJvbnMgcml2ZXRlZD8NCj4NCj4gUnVz c2VsbCBTaGF2aXR6DQo+IFNoYXZpdHogSGVhdGluZyAmIEFpciBDb25kaXRpb25pbmcNCj4gNDg0 OSBNYWluIFN0cmVldCwgU2tva2llLCBJTCA2MDA3Nw0KPiBvZmZpY2U6ICA4NDctNjc4LTEwMDAN Cj4gY2VsbDogIDg0Ny00MTctNjYyMg0KPiB3d3cuc2hhdml0ei5jb20NCj4NCj4NCj4NCj4NCj4N Cg0KDQotLSANClJvYiBLb2NobWFuDQpSVi0xMCAiRmluaXNoaW5nIiBLaXQNCldvb2RpbnZpbGxl LCBXQSAobmVhciBTZWF0dGxlKQ0KaHR0cDovL2tvY2htYW4ubmV0L044MTlLDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Holes left open From: Kelly McMullen While the pop-rivet dimple die set works well in hard to reach areas, it is not likely to do much where the layer underneath is a longeron angle. Had to use the pop-rivet dies on the bottom skin of QB fuse for the six holes or so on each stiffener at the rear before joining tailcone. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:10 AM, wrote: > There is a set of dimple dies that you can get that go in your rivet tool. > They work like a pulled rivet. > > A pin is put through the center of the back side die and then put through > the hole. The front die is put over the pin and then you put the hand rivet > pulling tool over the pin. > > You then carefully squeeze the two dies together. > > This gives you a pretty good dimple that might require s clean up with the > counter sink. > > Dave Hertner > > > ________________________________ > From: Rob Kochman > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:27:39 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Holes left open > You definitely want to call Van's (if for nothing else, to notify = them of > the error).- I don't see how you have much of a choice but to= countersink > them now. > - > -Rob > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Russell Shavitz= > wrote: > > --> RV10-List message posted = by: Russell Shavitz > > My QB did not have these holes dimpled or countersunk does this cause a > problem when finishing? > Can I machine countersink the skins with the lo= ngerons riveted? > > Russell Shavitz > Shavitz Heating & Air Condit= ioning > 4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077 > office: -847-678-1000 > cell: -8= 47-417-6622 > www.sh= ================= > Browse, Chat, FAQ, > ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http:// > === > http://forums.m= le, List Admin. > ==== > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > = http://kochman.net/N819K > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Holes left open From: effectus@rogers.com Sorry about that! I didn't look closely enough at the location of the problem. Dave ------Original Message------ From: Kelly McMullen Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Holes left open Sent: Mar 22, 2010 8:38 AM While the pop-rivet dimple die set works well in hard to reach areas, it is not likely to do much where the layer underneath is a longeron angle. Had to use the pop-rivet dies on the bottom skin of QB fuse for the six holes or so on each stiffener at the rear before joining tailcone. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:10 AM, wrote: > There is a set of dimple dies that you can get that go in your rivet tool. > They work like a pulled rivet. > > A pin is put through the center of the back side die and then put through > the hole. The front die is put over the pin and then you put the hand rivet > pulling tool over the pin. > > You then carefully squeeze the two dies together. > > This gives you a pretty good dimple that might require s clean up with the > counter sink. > > Dave Hertner > > > ________________________________ > From: Rob Kochman > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:27:39 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Holes left open > You definitely want to call Van's (if for nothing else, to notify = them of > the error).- I don't see how you have much of a choice but to= countersink > them now. > - > -Rob > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Russell Shavitz= > wrote: > > --> RV10-List message posted = by: Russell Shavitz > > My QB did not have these holes dimpled or countersunk does this cause a > problem when finishing? > Can I machine countersink the skins with the lo= ngerons riveted? > > Russell Shavitz > Shavitz Heating & Air Condit= ioning > 4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077 > office: -847-678-1000 > cell: -8= 47-417-6622 > www.sh= ================= > Browse, Chat, FAQ, > ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http:// > === > http://forums.m= le, List Admin. > ==== > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > = http://kochman.net/N819K > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:30 PM PST US From: "Wayne Williams" Subject: RV10-List: permanant rudder trim How big of a rudder trim are those flying ending up needing? I am amazed that I still have 1/3 a ball out (to the right) and wanting to fly right wing low with a 9" long x 1" deep wedge on the lower end of the rudder. If I lightly press right rudder, the ball centers, the wings level and speed increases. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:29 PM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: RV10-List: There goes the CG! Because of what happened Sunday I will get to carry cribs, strollers, toys, ect..... and don't mind one bit! I'm glad I have the RV-10. We had our first child, a little girl around noon on Sunday. I posted a few pictures here. Couldn't be happier :) http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=55892 Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:36 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: permanant rudder trim From: "AirMike" I have a 6" Vertical x 2" horiz trim piece that works perfectly. I know that it is the lazy man's (woman's or trans gender's) solution to a lot of trim-fly trim-fly sessions. 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