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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: Autopilot (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Page Update after ACI (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
3. 07:50 AM - Re: current limiter mount (jayb)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: Page Update after ACI (Tim Olson)
5. 08:00 AM - Fuel Related Items (Perry, Phil)
6. 08:15 AM - Re: Fuel Related Items (Perry, Phil)
7. 09:08 AM - Re: Static lines (johngoodman)
8. 09:46 AM - Johnson Creek, Idaho (Albert Gardner)
9. 09:56 AM - Re: Fuel Related Items (Fred Williams, M.D.)
10. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Autopilot (John Cumins)
11. 10:49 AM - Re: New Pilot (Bob Turner)
12. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: Static lines (Michael Kraus)
13. 10:52 AM - Re: Page Update after ACI (Bob Turner)
14. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Related Items (Tim Olson)
15. 10:54 AM - Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho (Don McDonald)
16. 10:57 AM - Re: Static lines (Bob Turner)
17. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Related Items (Perry, Phil)
18. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Static lines (Kelly McMullen)
19. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Related Items (Tim Olson)
20. 01:28 PM - Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho (Scott Schmidt)
21. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Related Items (Perry, Phil)
22. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Related Items (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
23. 02:06 PM - SkyView was Static lines (Robin Marks)
24. 02:22 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Related Items (Don McDonald)
25. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Related Items (Don McDonald)
26. 02:33 PM - Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel pant (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
27. 02:37 PM - Re: Fuel Related Items (Ron B.)
28. 02:54 PM - Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel pant (Geoff Combs)
29. 03:38 PM - Re: SkyView was Static lines (Kelly McMullen)
30. 03:48 PM - Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel pant (Don McDonald)
31. 03:58 PM - Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel pant (Lew Gallagher)
32. 05:17 PM - Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho (Albert Gardner)
33. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Related Items (Bill Gipson)
34. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Related Items (Perry, Phil)
35. 06:57 PM - Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho (Scott Schmidt)
36. 08:54 PM - Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho (Andy Turner)
37. 09:00 PM - Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel pant (Dave Saylor)
38. 09:38 PM - Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel p (Jim Berry)
39. 09:41 PM - Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel pant (Lew Gallagher)
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There seems to be some confusion between an accelerated stall which can
be performed at any speed up to Va (think snap roll, whip stall,
secondary stall) and a stall performed at minimum controllable
speed. I don't think they are related except in the fact that a
critical angle of attack is exceeded.
I haven't been following this thread but my head started spinning....
There's a good discussion under 'stalls' in the FAA's Airplane Flying
Handbook.
DLM wrote:
>
> According to the Vans site, gross weight stall occurs at 55kts. Assuming a
> 3.8 load factor, the Va number is 55 times the square root of 3.8 or 55*1.95
> or 107 kts. So maybe a call to Krueger is warranted. If the Va of 125 kts is
> accurate then the design load factor is higher than normal category.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Autopilot
>
>
> "Va is *generally* (with some well known exceptions) the maximum airspeed at
> which abrupt max deflection control inputs should not damage your aircraft.
> "
>
> Just to nitpick, someone above has the correct definition of Va. It's the
> speed at which an accelerated stall happens just as you hit the design load
> limit (3.8 g for us).
>
> No need to call Vans about Va at lower weights. It scales exactly as stall
> speed does, e.g., as the square root of the weight. If you are 20% below
> gross then Va goes down about 10% (really 10.56%) (half the percentage being
> an approximation to the square root).
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292026#292026
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Page Update after ACI |
Thanks for the write-ups Tim. I am just reading your Christmas trip.
Nothing like a winter trip to FL, especially Key West which gives you
all the tropical visuals, with a return to winter at the end. Turns
the airplane into a magic carpet.
I was with you on the climbouts thru the icy clouds. I've done the
first penetration in the Maule a couple of times but the jump to 11K
just isn't doable. That's when I learned about the value of excess
horsepower (aka climb capability). It's not fun getting squeezed
between layers and realizing your only option is down. Really key to
working around the ice in winter even down here in NC.
Nice writeup - Thanks much for the inspiration.
Bill "will be flying in 2010" Watson
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> It's been a while since I did a write-up, and now that I'm done with my
> Annual Condition Inspection and a bunch of winter projects, I decided
> to quick do an update.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html
>
> I only make note to this one because it just happens that I covered some
> things like USB panel jacks, brake lines, brake fluid, door latches,
> and lots of topics...some of which some people may have some interest
> in or use it to get ideas from.
>
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| Subject: | Re: current limiter mount |
Are you talking about the ALT B-lead fuses? If so, here's what I'm using:
http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/498.pdf
www.mouser.com
Part number: 576-04980900Z
Fuse: 576-0498080.M 32V 80A (also bought a 40A from someplace else for the aux
ALT)
Regards,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Page Update after ACI |
Totally right regarding the climb performance. I was just NEVER keen
to the idea of many people early on who wanted that continental with
less H.P. IMHO, one of the absolute best things about the -10 is that
you can do a 260hp engine....and with that you get climb performance.
Get above the bumps, the clouds, and away from summer heat much
faster. Putting lesser HP in would be a big downer to an otherwise
fantastic airplane. It's not nearly sk much about the speed as it is
the climb rate.
Tim
On Mar 29, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> wrote:
> >
>
> Thanks for the write-ups Tim. I am just reading your Christmas
> trip. Nothing like a winter trip to FL, especially Key West which
> gives you all the tropical visuals, with a return to winter at the
> end. Turns the airplane into a magic carpet.
>
> I was with you on the climbouts thru the icy clouds. I've done the
> first penetration in the Maule a couple of times but the jump to 11K
> just isn't doable. That's when I learned about the value of excess
> horsepower (aka climb capability). It's not fun getting squeezed
> between layers and realizing your only option is down. Really key
> to working around the ice in winter even down here in NC.
>
> Nice writeup - Thanks much for the inspiration.
>
> Bill "will be flying in 2010" Watson
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> It's been a while since I did a write-up, and now that I'm done
>> with my
>> Annual Condition Inspection and a bunch of winter projects, I decided
>> to quick do an update.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html
>>
>> I only make note to this one because it just happens that I covered
>> some
>> things like USB panel jacks, brake lines, brake fluid, door latches,
>> and lots of topics...some of which some people may have some interest
>> in or use it to get ideas from.
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Related Items |
I've put it off as long as I can. Now I'm getting ready to write the
check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the
appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
1) Are most people using the =BC" NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3
connections of the FS20x7?
a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
Finally I'm going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the
next question.
2) Van's says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30.
Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
a. I'd like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | RE: Fuel Related Items |
I also see a 3rd question now.......
I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6" or
12", but I was wrong.
Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover.
Finally here is a checkbox for a "Coupler Joint", but there is no
description of what it is...
Any ideas?
Phil
From: Perry, Phil
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM
Subject: Fuel Related Items
I've put it off as long as I can. Now I'm getting ready to write the
check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the
appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
1) Are most people using the =BC" NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3
connections of the FS20x7?
a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
Finally I'm going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the
next question.
2) Van's says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30.
Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
a. I'd like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Static lines |
Plan on TWO lines - one for static going forward, and one for pitot going aft.
Assuming you plan on putting your AHARS in the tail. Can't say for all of them,
but my GRT AHARS is where you connect both pitot & static.
John
--------
#40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon.
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Johnson Creek, Idaho |
Would those of you that have flown your RV-10 into Johnson Creek/Yellow
Pine, Idaho please contact me off list. I am interested in flying into there
for camping this summer.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
ibspud@roadrunner.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Related Items |
Phil;
I've been able to use the tank until it is dry. (just one at a time :)
). So your usable fuel would be 30 gal. and it is the total capacity.
I can't remember which model valve I have.
Dr Fred
Perry, Phil wrote:
>
> Ive put it off as long as I can. Now Im getting ready to write the
> check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
>
> Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the
> appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
>
> 1) Are most people using the NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3
> connections of the FS20x7?
>
> a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
>
> Finally Im going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the
> next question.
>
> 2) Vans says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. Is
> this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
>
> a. Id like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
> *
>
>
> *
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DLM
You are so right, Va is all based upon the wings stalling during a upset
before exceeding design limits. This is the definition of Va. Any time
some on gets into turbulence that requires someone to tighten the seat belts
make sure you slow down.
I have been slammed into the ceiling in a C-5 at altitude more than once and
it really hurts on the down fall. Any and all pilots need to be very speed
aware in bad weather and high winds.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
John G. Cumins
President
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 4:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Autopilot
DLM, you did the right thing! I can see you have done your studying. Slow
down to Va if you feel the need to tighten your seatbelt. Slow down even
more if your light, as your plane will accelerate faster from a gust or
turbulence. If your at Va(higher aoa) your wing will stall before the g load
limit is reached of our airplane(+3.8,-1.9). You can recover from a stall at
altitude, but you won't recover from structural failure. If you are above Va
you run the risk of breaking or bending your airplane. You might get away
with just making it uncomfortable for your passengers and loosening some
rivets. At Vno a 30 fps(which is just a design standard) gust may not hurt
your airplane but that is by no means the highest recorded gust. I don't
want to run into that 50 fps gust in my RV-10 at Vno, and definitely not the
100 fps gust normally found in thunderstorms. Highest recorded was 224 fps.
[/quote]
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983
Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09
Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs
Wings 3/14/10-
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I know this is confusing to many people, but in fact, a high performance endorsement
is not required to act as safety pilot in a 10 - just "private, single engine
land" or better.
Likewise, if a private pilot may log as PIC time any time where they are the "sole
manipulator of the controls". A HP endorsement is not necessary. However,
there must be someone onboard with an HP endorsement who is in fact the PIC.
I sure wish the FAA had made the distinction between logging time and being the
actual PIC more clear.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Static lines |
I have the Dynon SkyView, and you need pitot, static, and an AOA tube
going to the tailcone area. I also ran the static to the IP area for
an alternate static switch.....
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 29, 2010, at 12:08 PM, "johngoodman"
<johngoodman@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
>
> Plan on TWO lines - one for static going forward, and one for pitot
> going aft. Assuming you plan on putting your AHARS in the tail.
> Can't say for all of them, but my GRT AHARS is where you connect
> both pitot & static.
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon.
> N711JG reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292228#292228
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Page Update after ACI |
Tim, as always, thanks for the write ups. I've learned a lot from your web site.
I agree with HP statements. Out here in the west, climb rate and service ceiling
are often important in whether a trip is go or no-go.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel Related Items |
The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you
really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as
advertised.
When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable.
I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights
done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I
sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about
1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less than
a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full,
you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't
count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the
tank.
As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup.
Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works
ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle.
If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel
cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a
universal. There is a little slop to it for
forgiveness.
If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use
about half of it. I can't remember if I had less
than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order
12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut,
you may end up with some excess to play with.
Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming
from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks.
The fitting choice is all up to you based on what
you plan to do with your lines and the style of
the valve that you get. You'll most likely want
downward turning AN fittings, which you can also
do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D.
That's what I did. Turned out good because I
just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I
had a good one on there. But, on the other hand,
it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting
aligned where you want it without it being too
tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering
their downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying
it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in
fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare. I
absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things
like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for
the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a
spare if you go that route.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Perry, Phil wrote:
> I also see a 3^rd question now.
>
>
>
> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6 or
> 12, but I was wrong.
>
>
>
> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
>
> I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover.
>
>
>
> Finally here is a checkbox for a Coupler Joint, but there is no
> description of what it is
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> *From:* Perry, Phil
> *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Fuel Related Items
>
>
>
> Ive put it off as long as I can. Now Im getting ready to write the
> check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
>
>
>
> Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the
> appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
>
>
>
> 1) Are most people using the NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3
> connections of the FS20x7?
>
> a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
>
>
>
> Finally Im going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the
> next question.
>
>
>
> 2) Vans says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30.
> Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
>
> a. Id like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho |
Albert.... and others... please respond on board... lot's of want to know.
- Several people out of Texas, fly there every year.
Don McDonald
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote:
From: Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho
Would those of you that have flown your RV-10 into Johnson Creek/Yellow
Pine, Idaho please contact me off list. I am interested in flying into ther
e
for camping this summer.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
ibspud@roadrunner.com
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Static lines |
Is anyone running two pitot lines? I went and installed the Van's pitot as well
as a (not yet purchased) heated one on the other wing. Is there any value in
using an unheated pitot on the back up instruments? (If I lose power there won't
be any electricity to a heated pitot anyway, although certainly the primary
instruments could fail for reasons other than power loss.)
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | RE: Fuel Related Items |
Yeah I didn't think of using their Banjo connectors, but that's a good idea.
This would let me eliminate the 45 degree elbows on the L&R lines and go directly
to a Male AN6 fitting instead. Good idea.
Also nice that it's adjustable.
I'll keep the female connector on the bottom for the fuel going forward and the
return from the boost pump.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@myrv10.com]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you
really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as
advertised.
When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable.
I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights
done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I
sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about
1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less than
a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full,
you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't
count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the
tank.
As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup.
Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works
ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle.
If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel
cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a
universal. There is a little slop to it for
forgiveness.
If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use
about half of it. I can't remember if I had less
than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order
12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut,
you may end up with some excess to play with.
Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming
from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks.
The fitting choice is all up to you based on what
you plan to do with your lines and the style of
the valve that you get. You'll most likely want
downward turning AN fittings, which you can also
do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D.
That's what I did. Turned out good because I
just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I
had a good one on there. But, on the other hand,
it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting
aligned where you want it without it being too
tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering
their downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying
it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in
fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare. I
absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things
like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for
the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a
spare if you go that route.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Perry, Phil wrote:
> I also see a 3^rd question now.......
>
>
>
> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6" or
> 12", but I was wrong.
>
>
>
> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
>
> I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover.
>
>
>
> Finally here is a checkbox for a "Coupler Joint", but there is no
> description of what it is...
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> *From:* Perry, Phil
> *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Fuel Related Items
>
>
>
> I've put it off as long as I can. Now I'm getting ready to write the
> check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
>
>
>
> Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the
> appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
>
>
>
> 1) Are most people using the " NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3
> connections of the FS20x7?
>
> a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
>
>
>
> Finally I'm going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the
> next question.
>
>
>
> 2) Van's says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30.
> Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
>
> a. I'd like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Static lines |
Would you share on or off list your impressions/ salient points on the
Skyview? On or off list. It is probably at the top of my list right
now, with GRT and AFS close behind. Thanks,
Kelly
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Michael Kraus
<n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
>
> I have the Dynon SkyView, and you need pitot, static, and an AOA tube going
> to the tailcone area. I also ran the static to the IP area for an alternate
> static switch.....
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 29, 2010, at 12:08 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Plan on TWO lines - one for static going forward, and one for pitot going
>> aft. Assuming you plan on putting your AHARS in the tail. Can't say for all
>> of them, but my GRT AHARS is where you connect both pitot & static.
>> John
>>
>> --------
>> #40572 QB. Engine on, wing attach coming soon. Panel delivery soon.
>> N711JG reserved
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292228#292228
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel Related Items |
I didn't mean banjo with those though....I meant a normal
AN fitting with a screw-together flange to the valve.
I think the Banjos would be the easy ones to install
in some respects, but I was too worried about flow capabilities.
I'm not knowledgeable in banjo fitting flow rates, so I tried
to make sure that all fuel fittings were as free flowing
as possible, avoiding as many 90's as I could. In the
end, I have lots of 45's but only a couple 90's.
But, for none of them do I know what the actual flow
restriction would really be....it's all just in concept.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Perry, Phil wrote:
> <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
>
> Yeah I didn't think of using their Banjo connectors, but that's a
> good idea.
>
> This would let me eliminate the 45 degree elbows on the L&R lines and
> go directly to a Male AN6 fitting instead. Good idea.
>
> Also nice that it's adjustable.
>
>
> I'll keep the female connector on the bottom for the fuel going
> forward and the return from the boost pump.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@myrv10.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:59 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
>
>
> The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you really
> stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as advertised.
>
> When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable. I've flown
> each tank until dry (on separate test flights done directly over the
> airport), and both tanks when I sumped them after it was out of fuel,
> had only about 1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less
> than a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full, you're
> looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't count the extra
> .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the tank.
>
> As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup. Mine isn't
> perfectly straight, and it still works ok with a slight angle between
> the valve and handle. If you mount the valve so it's level to the
> tunnel cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a universal.
> There is a little slop to it for forgiveness.
>
> If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use about half of it.
> I can't remember if I had less than 6" left, or more than 6" left.
> But, I'd order 12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut, you
> may end up with some excess to play with. Ordering the extensions is
> enough of a pain coming from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple
> bucks.
>
> The fitting choice is all up to you based on what you plan to do with
> your lines and the style of the valve that you get. You'll most
> likely want downward turning AN fittings, which you can also do with
> the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D. That's what I did. Turned
> out good because I just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I
> had a good one on there. But, on the other hand, it can sometimes be
> hard to get an NPT fitting aligned where you want it without it being
> too tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering their
> downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying it, I guess I'd buy it
> with the AN type built-in fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare.
> I absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things like that, and
> since Andair is your sole-source for the built-in fittings, I'd
> definitely order a spare if you go that route.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> Perry, Phil wrote:
>> I also see a 3^rd question now.......
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6"
>> or 12", but I was wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
>>
>> I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel
>> cover.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally here is a checkbox for a "Coupler Joint", but there is no
>> description of what it is...
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Perry, Phil *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM *To:*
>> rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Fuel Related Items
>>
>>
>>
>> I've put it off as long as I can. Now I'm getting ready to write
>> the check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the
>> appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) Are most people using the " NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3
>> connections of the FS20x7?
>>
>> a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally I'm going to customize the face plate. This leads me into
>> the next question.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Van's says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons
>> 30/30. Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
>>
>> a. I'd like to placard usable fuel on the selector.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho |
I just put this together for you. I will add to it later but it is a start and
will get you oriented.
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?p=419083#post419083
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
________________________________
From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:35:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho
Albert.... and others... please respond on board... lot's of want to know. Several
people out of Texas, fly there every year.
Don McDonald
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>From: Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
>Subject: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 9:27 AM
>
>
>
>Would those of you that have flown your RV-10 into Johnson Creek/Yellow
>Pine, Idaho please contact me off list. I am interested in flying into there
>for camping this summer.
>Albert Gardner
>N991RV
>Yuma, AZ
>ibspud@roadrunneonics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Nav - MATRONICS WEB -Matt Dralle, Listm/contribution"
>======
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel Related Items |
can anyone tell me if i should set the fuel flow meter to 58 gal or to 60?
On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you
> really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as
> advertised.
>
> When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable.
> I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights
> done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I
> sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about
> 1 cup or so that would come out. Certainly far less than
> a quart. So consider that if you fill it pretty full,
> you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't
> count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the
> tank.
>
> As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup.
> Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works
> ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle.
> If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel
> cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a
> universal. There is a little slop to it for
> forgiveness.
>
> If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use
> about half of it. I can't remember if I had less
> than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order
> 12" either way. That way if you mess up the cut,
> you may end up with some excess to play with.
> Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming
> from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks.
>
> The fitting choice is all up to you based on what
> you plan to do with your lines and the style of
> the valve that you get. You'll most likely want
> downward turning AN fittings, which you can also
> do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D.
> That's what I did. Turned out good because I
> just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I
> had a good one on there. But, on the other hand,
> it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting
> aligned where you want it without it being too
> tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering
> their downturned AN fittings. If it were ME buying
> it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in
> fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare. I
> absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things
> like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for
> the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a
> spare if you go that route.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> Perry, Phil wrote:
>> I also see a 3^rd question now.
>> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6 or 12, but
I was wrong.
>> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
>> I doubt it. It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cover.
>> Finally here is a checkbox for a Coupler Joint, but there is no description
of what it is Any ideas?
>> Phil
>> *From:* Perry, Phil
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Fuel Related Items
>> Ive put it off as long as I can. Now Im getting ready to write the check for
the Andair Fuel Valve. Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the
valve with the appropriate fittings. Which leads me to the first question.
>> 1) Are most people using the NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3 connections
of the FS20x7?
>> a. This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
>> Finally Im going to customize the face plate. This leads me into the next question.
>> 2) Vans says the fuel capacity of the RV-10 is 60 gallons 30/30. Is this
the usable fuel or the total capacity? a. Id like to placard usable fuel
on the selector.
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>> *
>> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | SkyView was Static lines |
Don't forget the Garmin G3X series. I am considering the G3X and SkyView
system for an 8A due to fly later this year.
Robin
Would you share on or off list your impressions/ salient points on the
Skyview? On or off list. It is probably at the top of my list right
now, with GRT and AFS close behind. Thanks,
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel Related Items |
60... it's all usable.
Don
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk@mac.com> wrote:
From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk@mac.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
can anyone tell me if i should set the fuel flow meter to=C2- 58 gal or t
o 60?
On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you
> really stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as
> advertised.
>
> When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable.
> I've flown each tank until dry (on separate test flights
> done directly over the airport), and both tanks when I
> sumped them after it was out of fuel, had only about
> 1 cup or so that would come out.=C2- Certainly far less than
> a quart.=C2- So consider that if you fill it pretty full,
> you're looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't
> count the extra .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the
> tank.
>
> As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup.
> Mine isn't perfectly straight, and it still works
> ok with a slight angle between the valve and handle.
> If you mount the valve so it's level to the tunnel
> cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a
> universal.=C2- There is a little slop to it for
> forgiveness.
>
> If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use
> about half of it.=C2- I can't remember if I had less
> than 6" left, or more than 6" left. But, I'd order
> 12" either way.=C2- That way if you mess up the cut,
> you may end up with some excess to play with.
> Ordering the extensions is enough of a pain coming
> from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple bucks.
>
> The fitting choice is all up to you based on what
> you plan to do with your lines and the style of
> the valve that you get.=C2- You'll most likely want
> downward turning AN fittings, which you can also
> do with the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D.
> That's what I did.=C2- Turned out good because I
> just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I
> had a good one on there.=C2- But, on the other hand,
> it can sometimes be hard to get an NPT fitting
> aligned where you want it without it being too
> tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering
> their downturned AN fittings.=C2- If it were ME buying
> it, I guess I'd buy it with the AN type built-in
> fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare.=C2- I
> absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things
> like that, and since Andair is your sole-source for
> the built-in fittings, I'd definitely order a
> spare if you go that route.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
>
> Perry, Phil wrote:
>> I also see a 3^rd question now.
>> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6
=9D or 12=9D, but I was wrong.
>> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
>> I doubt it.=C2- It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel cov
er.
>> Finally here is a checkbox for a =9CCoupler Joint=9D, but th
ere is no description of what it is Any ideas?
>> Phil
>> *From:* Perry, Phil
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Fuel Related Items
>> I=99ve put it off as long as I can.=C2- Now I=99m getting
ready to write the check for the Andair Fuel Valve.=C2- Ordering from the
Andair site, you can customize the valve with the appropriate fittings.=C2
- Which leads me to the first question.
>> 1)=C2- =C2- =C2- Are most people using the =C2=BC=9D NPT (FE
MALE) fittings on all 3 connections of the FS20x7?
>> a.=C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-This creates a part number of FS20f7F.
>> Finally I=99m going to customize the face plate.=C2- This leads
me into the next question.
>> 2)=C2- =C2- =C2- Van=99s says the fuel capacity of the RV-10
is 60 gallons 30/30.=C2- Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
a.=C2- =C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-I=99d like to placard usable fuel o
n the selector.
>>=C2- Thanks,
>> Phil
>>=C2- *
>> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fuel Related Items |
Phil, my understanding is that if you want an extention, you MUST order it
=C2-WITH it!=C2- ASK ME how I know!=C2-=C2-=C2- But, in hindsight
, you know how mine came out.... so I was glad I didn't know.... the result
was much better than it otherwise would have been.
Don
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> wrote:
From: Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
Yeah that thought crossed my mind a few minutes ago too.=C2- Plus a coupl
e of others.
1) It's just another place to leak. And if it leaks, its not easily repaira
ble.=C2-=C2- A standard AN threaded fitting is easy to replace.
2) I think the banjos (pointed straight down) might interfere with the scat
tubing and other items running down the tunnel. The 45 degree fittings hel
p get the fuel lines to the sides of the tunnel and not in the middle.
I see where Vans has an Andair valve with 45 degree fittings on it. That's
not one available from Andair's site, but sounds like the perfect one for t
he -10.
Now I just need to find a source for the extension.=C2-=C2- I'd like to
have one in my inventory just in case I need it with fitting.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Mon Mar 29 12:30:55 2010
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
I didn't mean banjo with those though....I meant a normal
AN fitting with a screw-together flange to the valve.
I think the Banjos would be the easy ones to install
in some respects, but I was too worried about flow capabilities.
I'm not knowledgeable in banjo fitting flow rates, so I tried
to make sure that all fuel fittings were as free flowing
as possible, avoiding as many 90's as I could.=C2-=C2- In the
end, I have lots of 45's but only a couple 90's.
But, for none of them do I know what the actual flow
restriction would really be....it's all just in concept.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Perry, Phil wrote:
> <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
>
> Yeah I didn't think of using their Banjo connectors, but that's a
> good idea.
>
> This would let me eliminate the 45 degree elbows on the L&R lines and
> go directly to a Male AN6 fitting instead.=C2- Good idea.
>
> Also nice that it's adjustable.
>
>
> I'll keep the female connector on the bottom for the fuel going
> forward and the return from the boost pump.
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim@myrv10.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:59 AM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: Fuel Related Items
>
>
> The RV-10 will hold about 61 gallons total I think if you really
> stuff it in to the brim, but call it 60 as advertised.
>
> When it comes to useable fuel, almost ALL fuel is useable. I've flown
> each tank until dry (on separate test flights done directly over the
> airport), and both tanks when I sumped them after it was out of fuel,
> had only about 1 cup or so that would come out.=C2- Certainly far less
> than a quart.=C2- So consider that if you fill it pretty full, you're
> looking at 60 gallons with 60 useable, if you don't count the extra
> .5 gallons that you can squeeze into the tank.
>
> As for the universal joints, it depends on your setup. Mine isn't
> perfectly straight, and it still works ok with a slight angle between
> the valve and handle. If you mount the valve so it's level to the
> tunnel cover and directly below the hole, you won't need a universal.
> There is a little slop to it for forgiveness.
>
> If you order a 12" extension, you will likely use about half of it.
> I can't remember if I had less than 6" left, or more than 6" left.
> But, I'd order 12" either way.=C2- That way if you mess up the cut, you
> may end up with some excess to play with. Ordering the extensions is
> enough of a pain coming from the U.K. that it pays to waste a couple
> bucks.
>
> The fitting choice is all up to you based on what you plan to do with
> your lines and the style of the valve that you get.=C2- You'll most
> likely want downward turning AN fittings, which you can also do with
> the 1/4" female NPT, by using an AN822-6D. That's what I did.=C2- Turne
d
> out good because I just replaced one of the fittings to make sure I
> had a good one on there.=C2- But, on the other hand, it can sometimes b
e
> hard to get an NPT fitting aligned where you want it without it being
> too tight or too loose....so you may consider ordering their
> downturned AN fittings.=C2- If it were ME buying it, I guess I'd buy it
> with the AN type built-in fittings, but I'd splurge and buy a spare.
> I absolutely hate being grounded for stupid things like that, and
> since Andair is your sole-source for the built-in fittings, I'd
> definitely order a spare if you go that route.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
> Perry, Phil wrote:
>> I also see a 3^rd question now.......
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought the extension would be a pretty simple choice between 6"
>> or 12", but I was wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there any need for Universal Joints at the Valve or Handle?
>>
>> I doubt it.=C2- It should be a straight shot up through the tunnel
>> cover.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally here is a checkbox for a "Coupler Joint", but there is no
>> description of what it is...
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Perry, Phil *Sent:* Monday, March 29, 2010 9:55 AM *To:*
>> rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Fuel Related Items
>>
>>
>>
>> I've put it off as long as I can.=C2- Now I'm getting ready to write
>> the check for the Andair Fuel Valve.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ordering from the Andair site, you can customize the valve with the
>>=C2- appropriate fittings.=C2- Which leads me to the first question.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1)=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Are most people using the =C3=82=C2=BC"
NPT (FEMALE) fittings on all 3
>>=C2- connections of the FS20x7?
>>
>> a.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- This creates a part number of FS2
0f7F.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally I'm going to customize the face plate.=C2- This leads me into
>> the next question.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2)=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Van's says the fuel capacity of the RV-
10 is 60 gallons
>> 30/30. Is this the usable fuel or the total capacity?
>>
>> a.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- I'd like to placard usable fuel o
n the selector.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel |
pant
I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection
fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and
have some pics, please share or point me to them.
It's starting to make some sense to me right now.
Thanks
Bill "pants on the ground" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Related Items |
I purchased my Andair valve not knowing I would need an extension. I ended up ordering
an extension directly from Andair at Sun & Fun. I believe the older models
had to be ordered together but not so for the units sold in the last few
years. There is a way to determine between the units but I forget what the features
are.
Ron
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292287#292287
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| Subject: | Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel |
pant
Bill I did it and love it so far. I am glad I did it. A little more work but
easy on and off. I thought I had a better picture. I will send a few better
picture tomorrow.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to
wheel pant
--> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection
fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and
have some pics, please share or point me to them.
It's starting to make some sense to me right now.
Thanks
Bill "pants on the ground" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: SkyView was Static lines |
Garmin is a non-starter for me, but on initial price and price of data
updates. Haven't decided on portable system yet either, but it also is
unlikely to be Garmin. One can buy 4-6 years of continuous data
updates from other firms, or a lifetime subscription for less than 1
yr of 696 updates.
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
>
> Don't forget the Garmin G3X series. I am considering the G3X and SkyView
> system for an 8A due to fly later this year.
> Robin
>
>
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| Subject: | Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel |
pant
Nice job Geoff... no big surprise though...- hey, your headset bracket is
in the shop being punched and bent... hope it works for you.
Don McDonald-
--- On Mon, 3/29/10, Geoff Combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> wrote:
From: Geoff Combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing t
o wheel pant
Bill I did it and love it so far. I am glad I did it. A little more work bu
t
easy on and off. I thought I had a better picture. I will send a few better
picture tomorrow.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
President
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver
Watson
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to
wheel pant
--> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection
fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who.- If you've done it and
have some pics, please share or point me to them.
It's starting to make some sense to me right now.
Thanks
Bill "pants on the ground" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel |
pant
Hey Bill "not lookin' like a fool" Watson,
Here are some I made of ours. I added a lip to make a better junction. Be
careful about centering the cut so that the two halves meet without having
to compress one.
Later, - Lew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to
wheel pant
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection
> fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and
> have some pics, please share or point me to them.
>
> It's starting to make some sense to me right now.
>
> Thanks
> Bill "pants on the ground" Watson
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Johnson Creek, Idaho |
I'm planning on Johnson Creek this summer but Grandma, Mom, and the baby
don't want to camp. Grandpa, Dad, and the kids are looking forward to a few
nights in the tent. I have heard that there is a lodge there or at least
near there so that both groups can be happy. Is that the case? If so, has
anyone stayed at the lodge?
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho |
Here is the lodge you were talking about. My wife and I rode our mountain bikes
to it. It is around 5-8 miles up-creek from Johnson's Creek.
You could easily borrow the courtesy van from Johnson Creek to go up and visit
them, I'm sure they will come pick up at Johnson's Creek.
This is the plane that flys into Johnson Creek to drop off the guests. (see attached)
http://www.wapitimeadowranch.com/index.htm
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 6:14:31 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Johnson Creek, Idaho
I'm planning on Johnson Creek this summer but Grandma, Mom, and the baby don't
want to camp. Grandpa, Dad, and the kids are looking forward to a few nights in
the tent. I have heard that there is a lodge there or at least near there so
that both groups can be happy. Is that the case? If so, has anyone stayed at
the lodge?
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Johnson Creek, Idaho |
Albert, if you are on a budget, the General Store in Yellow Pine has rooms for
rent.
http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~yptimes/page5.html
http://www.harmonicacontest.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel |
pant
Bill,
I bonded the intersection fairings. I'll try to send some pictures
tomorrow, but Lew's pictures tell the whole story. What wasn't intuitive,
at least not to me, is that the split line of the intersection fairing has
to be forward of the wheel pant split line so the front half of the wheel
pant can full forward off the gear leg fairing. Once you start working with
it you'll see the problem.
I couldn't tell from Geoff's pictures if he did that too or if he has
another solution. Either way, very nice.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <
MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection
> fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and
> have some pics, please share or point me to them.
>
> It's starting to make some sense to me right now.
>
> Thanks
> Bill "pants on the ground" Watson
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel |
p
Bill,
My version of wheel pants.
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Re: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to wheel |
pant
Hey Bill,
Here are a couple more of the pants in the painting process. They turned
out pretty good. Another thought: since this adaptation incorporates the
alignment of the strut pants, be diligent with getting all that lined up
before glassing. Once it is done ... it's done! Again, if you've tackled
the plexi and windshield fairing -- you can do this, just take your time.
It is tedious now, but saves much later.
Why don't you consider driving the Maule down to Greenville (SC) to check us
out soon? First flight should be any day now if the weather will cooperate!
Later, - Lew
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Mauledriver Watson" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Gear intersection fairing - bonding lower fairing to
wheel pant
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I seem to recall that a few people have bonded the lower intersection
> fairing to the wheel pant but can't remember who. If you've done it and
> have some pics, please share or point me to them.
>
> It's starting to make some sense to me right now.
>
> Thanks
> Bill "pants on the ground" Watson
>
>
>
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