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1. 03:46 AM - Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue (Jim Combs)
2. 03:52 AM - Re: Finish Kit (conradb)
3. 07:37 AM - Batteries (Kelly McMullen)
4. 11:43 AM - Equipment list (Jim Berry)
5. 12:01 PM - Re: Equipment list (Rene Felker)
6. 12:05 PM - Re: Equipment list ()
7. 02:05 PM - Go west , young man (Fred Williams, M.D.)
8. 03:15 PM - AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) (McGann, Ron)
9. 03:34 PM - Re: Equipment list (Marcus Cooper)
10. 04:59 PM - Re: Equipment list (pilotdds@aol.com)
11. 05:15 PM - Re: Go west , young man (mouser)
12. 05:46 PM - Re: Equipment list (rvdave)
13. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Equipment list (Roger Standley)
14. 06:18 PM - Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) (Patrick Thyssen)
15. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Equipment list (Michael Kraus)
16. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: Equipment list (Dj Merrill)
17. 06:47 PM - Paint system choices (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
18. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Equipment list (John Erickson)
19. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Equipment list (Rene Felker)
20. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Equipment list (pilotdds@aol.com)
21. 06:54 PM - Re: Finish Kit (Andy Turner)
22. 07:37 PM - Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) (Michael Kraus)
23. 08:00 PM - Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) (Tim Olson)
24. 08:52 PM - Re: Paint system choices ()
25. 09:11 PM - Re: Paint system choices (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
26. 09:22 PM - Firewall access (woxofswa)
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| Subject: | Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue |
Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users.
We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and have
discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in the airport
identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot while entering the
airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of the 4500. It reboots on
the third letter. I am not sure if any other airport identifiers are
triggers for the reboot.
If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there are no
issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches anyway, there is a
work around.
I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known problem.
They currently don't have a planned software release to fix it. This
problem exists using the latests firmware and map data release.
I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne.
Thanks, Jim Combs
N312F - Flying
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Thanks Bob and David;
I am just getting ready to order my X-10 finishing kit and was wondering
what I would be doing this summer with the 11 week waiting period.
Conrad B. :P
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Ran across what appears to be a reasonable alternative to Odyssey or
RG25. Anyone know anything about them? Length and width match RG25,
with less height. Price is about 1/2 that of RG25
http://www.batteryweb.com/powersonic12vsla-detail-PS%2D12350.htm
http://www.batteryweb.com/powersonic12vsla.cfm
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My DAR is requesting an equipment list with stations and weights as part of my
POH. Has anyone created one for the -10?
Jim Berry
40482
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Yep, one of the requirements. I created a separate one, not in my POH.
Sorry I do not have it here at work, I will post it tonight.....if I get
home at a decent hour.
Rene
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Berry
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Equipment list
My DAR is requesting an equipment list with stations and weights as part of
my POH. Has anyone created one for the -10?
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment list |
Jim,
Try here : http://www.myrv10.com/tips/flight_testing/index.html
Rick S.
N246RS
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| Subject: | Go west , young man |
Listers;
Anybody have any recommendations for the airport at Santa Fe? We may
be staying overnight and wondered if anyone had recommendations for the
FBO's. Plan to be there around Friday/Sat 22/23.
Plan is for Paris to Denver, then over to the Bar 10 ranch at the Grand
canyon, spend a night at monument valley, then back thru Santa Fe for
some sight seeing and then back thru Lubbock to Paris.
Should be a fun week.
Dr Fred.
515FW. 220 hrs.
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| Subject: | AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot |
issue)
There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your AHRS.
I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly and Com 2 behi
nd the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is located on a tray above
and aft the battery box ('standard location'), but within two feet of the
com2 antenna. Com 1 is primary, com 2 is backup. I had a minor problem wi
th the pax headset jacks that caused an intermittent open mic problem. Whe
n I attempted to correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic persi
sted, com 2 transmitted - the com 2 antenna being too close to the AHRS cau
sed it to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000' aint prett
y - but a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI, ALT) thought a good
idea during panel design.
Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC connector on the
com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for receive (tx still causes t
he AHRS to drift), pending relocation of the AHRS away from the antenna dur
ing the annual (this weekend!!)
Lessons learned:
1. put the magnetometer in the wingtip.
2. don't have any tx antennas within 3' of the AHRS
3. don't route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring in the sa
me loom as a tx cable (including RG400)
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM flying in Oz
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue
Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users.
We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and have dis
covered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in the airport ident
ifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot while entering the airpo
rt identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of the 4500. It reboots on the t
hird letter. I am not sure if any other airport identifiers are triggers f
or the reboot.
If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there are no
issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches anyway, there is a
work around.
I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known problem. Th
ey currently don't have a planned software release to fix it. This problem
exists using the latests firmware and map data release.
I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne.
Thanks, Jim Combs
N312F - Flying
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Just out of curiosity, wasn't it resolved previously that a POH isn't
required. I've been through the new airplane inspection thing 5 times and
never had to produce a POH or an equipment list with stations and weights???
Marcus
40286
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricksked@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Equipment list
Jim,
Try here : http://www.myrv10.com/tips/flight_testing/index.html
Rick S.
N246RS
---- Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment list |
I was required to produce both during a ramp check at Deems airport-DVT-i
am with the govt and here to help-728DD
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Cooper <coop85@verizon.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 2:50 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Equipment list
Just out of curiosity, wasn't it resolved previously that a POH isn't
equired. I've been through the new airplane inspection thing 5 times and
ever had to produce a POH or an equipment list with stations and weights??
?
Marcus
0286
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ent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:05 PM
o: rv10-list@matronics.com
ubject: Re: RV10-List: Equipment list
Jim,
Try here : http://www.myrv10.com/tips/flight_testing/index.html
Rick S.
246RS
--- Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net> wrote:
My DAR is requesting an equipment list with stations and weights as part
f my POH. Has anyone created one for the -10?
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Re: Go west , young man |
There's actually only one FBO at SAF now. Capitol has gone the way of the dodo,
so your only choice is Air Center. The airport restaurant is reasonable, located
under the tower next door to the FBO.
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment list |
Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is:
A-Airworthiness certificate
R-Registration
R-Radio License(no longer required)
O-Operating Limitations
W-Weight & Balance
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment list |
How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list?
----- Original Message -----
From: rvdave<mailto:davidbf@centurytel.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
<davidbf@centurytel.net<mailto:davidbf@centurytel.net>>
Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c
is:
A-Airworthiness certificate
R-Registration
R-Radio License(no longer required)
O-Operating Limitations
W-Weight & Balance
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight |
reboot issue)
You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@ausawd.com> wrote:
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Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flig
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment list |
So I'm kinda with Dave here.... Maybe we don't understand what you
mean by equipment list..... My w&b is all fixed except fuel, oil,
passengers, and baggage. In my mind the 'equipment' is a fixed part
of the airframe and is incorporated within the fixed part of the
airframe w&b..... What are we missing?
-Mike Kraus
RV-4 Flying
RV-10 Building
Grass Lake, MI (26W)
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On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:09 PM, "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
wrote:
> How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rvdave
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
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> Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c
> is:
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> A-Airworthiness certificate
> R-Registration
> R-Radio License(no longer required)
> O-Operating Limitations
> W-Weight & Balance
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> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment list |
On 4/14/2010 9:09 PM, Roger Standley wrote:
> How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list?
Put the plane on a set of scales? :-)
-Dj
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| Subject: | Paint system choices |
It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and
the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most
importantly, a paint system to commit to.
I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a
lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole
system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information.
I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working
with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the
aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products.
But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking.
Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me
directly if more appropriate.
Thanks in advance,
Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment list |
Umm, take a look here http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/RV10wb.pdf for an
example. Once you've established the empty weight and CG, it is easy to
figure out the loaded CG based on pax and fuel. You do need to redo the
empty CG if your equipment changes, but you certainly do not need an
equipment list (along with datum references) to have a completely valid
weight and balance for both empty and loaded conditions.
Just my $0.02 worth.
John
RV-10 Wings (still)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list?
----- Original Message -----
From: rvdave <mailto:davidbf@centurytel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is:
A-Airworthiness certificate
R-Registration
R-Radio License(no longer required)
O-Operating Limitations
W-Weight & Balance
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RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment list |
Jack up the airplane
Put the scales under the wheels
Lower the airplane...
Just joking J
I think the equipment list was identified in my trusty EAA certification
package. So I did one and my DAR asked me for it. I could be wrong and
only my DAR asked me for one....
When I get home tonight, I will look back and see if I can find a
reference...
As far as a POH. I think the certified A/C need to have one to meet the
Operating Limitations requirement. We get the limitations through our
Airworthiness Certificate..pink slip with operating limitations attached.
But no real expert on this...just taking a break from work. J
Rene
801-721-6080
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
How can you do a weight and balance without an equipment list?
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is:
A-Airworthiness certificate
R-Registration
R-Radio License(no longer required)
O-Operating Limitations
W-Weight & Balance
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RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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operating limitations and weight and balance
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Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is:
A-Airworthiness certificate
-Registration
-Radio License(no longer required)
-Operating Limitations
-Weight & Balance
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V10 building
adillac, MI
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To add another data point for those planning their schedules, I received my fuselage
kit in mid-march after a 15 week wait.
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| Subject: | Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight |
reboot issue)
Isn't that now a recordable incident with the FAA??
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@ausawd.com> wrote:
>
> From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@ausawd.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential
> in flight reboot issue)
> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:13 PM
>
> There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your
> AHRS. I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly
> and Com 2 behind the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is
> located on a tray above and aft the battery box (=98standard
> location=99), but within two feet of the com2 antenna. Com 1 is
prima
> ry, com 2 is backup. I had a minor problem with the pax headset jac
> ks that caused an intermittent open mic problem. When I attempted t
> o correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic persisted, co
> m 2 transmitted =93 the com 2 antenna being too close to the
AHRS caus
> ed it to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000=99
aint
> pretty =93 but a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI,
ALT) th
> ought a good idea during panel design.
>
>
> Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC connector
> on the com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for receive (tx
> still causes the AHRS to drift), pending relocation of the AHRS away
> from the antenna during the annual (this weekend!!)
>
>
> Lessons learned:
>
> put the magnetometer in the wingtip.
> don=99t have any tx antennas within 3=99 of the AHRS
> don=99t route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring
in the
> same loom as a tx cable (including RG400)
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
> VH-XRM flying in Oz
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot
> issue
>
>
> Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users.
>
> We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and
> have discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in
> the airport identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot
> while entering the airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of
> the 4500. It reboots on the third letter. I am not sure if any
> other airport identifiers are triggers for the reboot.
>
> If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there
> are no issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches
> anyway, there is a work around.
>
> I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known
> problem. They currently don't have a planned software release to
> fix it. This problem exists using the latests firmware and map data
> release.
>
> I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne.
>
> Thanks, Jim Combs
>
> N312F - Flying
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight |
reboot issue)
True, according to the new rules, an efis failure is now an item
requiring a filed report....just like some engine/prop/systems
failures. I think it's good in that before there wasn't a real good
way to know the count of issues, an with the proliferation of TAA they
now are wanting to know how reliable systems are in the real world.
Too many companies quote things like "MTBF 10,000 hrs" when they may
only have a few systems out in the world with really low numbers of
hours.
Tim
On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Michael Kraus
<n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
> Isn't that now a recordable incident with the FAA??
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP
>> Patrick Thyssen
>>
>> --- On Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@ausawd.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@ausawd.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential
>> in flight reboot issue)
>> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:13 PM
>>
>> There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your
>> AHRS. I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly
>> and Com 2 behind the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is
>> located on a tray above and aft the battery box (=98standard
locatio
>> n=99), but within two feet of the com2 antenna. Com 1 is
primary, c
>> om 2 is backup. I had a minor problem with the pax headset jacks
>> that caused an intermittent open mic problem. When I attempted to
>> correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic persisted, c
>> om 2 transmitted =93 the com 2 antenna being too close to the
AHRS c
>> aused it to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000
=99
>> aint pretty =93 but a great opportunity to use those backups
(ASI,
>> ALT) thought a good idea during panel design.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC
>> connector on the com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for
>> receive (tx still causes the AHRS to drift), pending relocation of
>> the AHRS away from the antenna during the annual (this weekend!!)
>>
>>
>>
>> Lessons learned:
>>
>> put the magnetometer in the wingtip.
>> don=99t have any tx antennas within 3=99 of the AHRS
>> don=99t route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring
in th
>> e same loom as a tx cable (including RG400)
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> VH-XRM flying in Oz
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
>> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot
>> issue
>>
>>
>>
>> Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users.
>>
>> We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and
>> have discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in
>> the airport identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot
>> while entering the airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu
>> of the 4500. It reboots on the third letter. I am not sure if any
>> other airport identifiers are triggers for the reboot.
>>
>> If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500
>> there are no issues. Since we are using the 430W for the
>> approaches anyway, there is a work around.
>>
>> I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known
>> problem. They currently don't have a planned software release to
>> fix it. This problem exists using the latests firmware and map
>> data release.
>>
>> I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne.
>>
>> Thanks, Jim Combs
>>
>> N312F - Flying
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> http://forums.matronics.com
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
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| Subject: | Re: Paint system choices |
Bill (and others): I had painted cars as a kid and thought I was pretty good so
I decided to paint the 10. I used the Loehle system throughout including his
hole filler (works very well with minimum "coats".) I started with a turbine
HVLP but was getting crummy results so went back to what I used as a kid (big
compressor, refriged air, but used the new lower pressure guns with multiple
tips). It did not come out as well as I hoped: 1) booth was too small especially
for the fuselage. 2) I painted it over a long period of time so some of the
colors don't exactly match (? different humidity, ? improper mixing, ? different
batches from Loehle, ???)and, 3) most importantly, shitty lighting because
of the too small booth and lack of money to really buy good lights. To me
lighting is the most important factor in applying good coats. If I had it to do
over I would do it after the plane was together, do it in my hanger in a large
very well lit temporary booth. No, I take that back. If I had it to do over
I would pay someone to do it!!! If you have any specific questions please feel
free to call me (207) 322-6167. Jay Rowe 40301
---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and
> the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most
> importantly, a paint system to commit to.
>
> I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a
> lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole
> system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information.
>
> I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working
> with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the
> aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products.
> But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking.
>
> Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me
> directly if more appropriate.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint system choices |
Yeah, I painted model airplanes as a kid and quickly realized that I was
a bulider and flyer but not a finisher. The advent of Monokote and
it's many descendants saved me. I feel your pain.
I swore up and down that I would be farming out the paint but finances
and some sort of misguided pride has me determined to do it myself. I
lack the skills and the patience but I have the space so I'm just going
to have learn to take the time to learn, prep, and paint. Plus I have a
Maule that REALLY needs a nice new cover and paint job. Flying in the
rain challenged the original paint. We'll see.
Sounds like doing it all at one time is good - but it seems that doing
it in parts is easier. Putting those 2 thing together with lot's of
light looks like a good approach.
Bill
jfrjr@roadrunner.com wrote:
> Bill (and others): I had painted cars as a kid and thought I was pretty good
so I decided to paint the 10. I used the Loehle system throughout including
his hole filler (works very well with minimum "coats".) I started with a turbine
HVLP but was getting crummy results so went back to what I used as a kid (big
compressor, refriged air, but used the new lower pressure guns with multiple
tips). It did not come out as well as I hoped: 1) booth was too small especially
for the fuselage. 2) I painted it over a long period of time so some of
the colors don't exactly match (? different humidity, ? improper mixing, ? different
batches from Loehle, ???)and, 3) most importantly, shitty lighting because
of the too small booth and lack of money to really buy good lights. To me
lighting is the most important factor in applying good coats. If I had it to
do over I would do it after the plane was together, do it in my hanger in a large
very well lit temporary booth. No, I take that back. If I had it to do over
I would pay someone to do it!!! If you have any specific questions please
feel free to call me (207) 322-6167. Jay Rowe 40301
> ---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and
>> the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most
>> importantly, a paint system to commit to.
>>
>> I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a
>> lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole
>> system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information.
>>
>> I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working
>> with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the
>> aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products.
>> But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking.
>>
>> Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me
>> directly if more appropriate.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I need to punch a couple of access points through my firewall for my A/C lines.
Unfortunately, I don't have my finishing kit or motor mount yet.
I am considering one point directly (an inch or two) below the heater valve on
the Captain's side and the other about the same height over on the FO side near
the sidewall.
My biggest fear is running these and later finding out that they conflict with
something else. Can anyone ahead of me comment on those locations?
Thanks in advance.
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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