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1. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: Equipment list (Marcus Cooper)
2. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Equipment list (Rene Felker)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: Paint system choices (Richard Martin)
4. 06:38 AM - Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight re (jayb)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: Paint system choices (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
6. 09:46 AM - Re: Paint system choices (John Cox)
7. 10:34 AM - Re: Paint system choices (Lew Gallagher)
8. 10:52 AM - Re: Paint system choices (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 11:07 AM - Re: Paint system choices (Jeff Carpenter)
10. 11:08 AM - Re: Paint system choices (Jeff Carpenter)
11. 11:14 AM - Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 02:57 PM - Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) (gary)
13. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight re (McGann, Ron)
14. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Equipment list (Rene)
15. 08:44 PM - Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) (Jim Combs)
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To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an
airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations
letter says it must be carried on board, but I can't find anything regarding
weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW
acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for
part 135 ops and even that's not a POH.
FWIW,
Marcus
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operating limitations and weight and balance
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Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is:
A-Airworthiness certificate
R-Registration
R-Radio License(no longer required)
O-Operating Limitations
W-Weight & Balance
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Isn't weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it
is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter.
Again, no expert.
Rene
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Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an
airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations
letter says it must be carried on board, but I can't find anything regarding
weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW
acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for
part 135 ops and even that's not a POH.
FWIW,
Marcus
40286
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Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is:
A-Airworthiness certificate
R-Registration
R-Radio License(no longer required)
O-Operating Limitations
W-Weight & Balance
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| Subject: | Re: Paint system choices |
Most of the modern paint systems will work well on metal airplanes. * * I
have used both HVLP and high pressure systems. I found that the HVLP
systems worked best on fabric surfaces and the high pressure worked best on
metal airplanes. (note fabric jobs require a flex additive).
I would like to advise you to use caution when using modern urethane paints
because of the toxic materials used in them (methyl ethel keotone) . I
would suggest you consider an outside fresh air supply instead of charcoal
masks. the charcoal masks have a very short life and will not filter the
toxic vapors. I speak from experience, I now suffer from a tremor in my
right arm and hand caused by the hexamethaline di iso cyanates used in all
of the urethane paints. Note also use surgeons gloves (the blue ones).
Good luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <
MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and the
> space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most
> importantly, a paint system to commit to.
>
> I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a
> lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole system
> (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information.
>
> I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working with
> them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the aircraft line
> of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products. But it would be
> nice to have a local resource I'm thinking.
>
> Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me
> directly if more appropriate.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson
>
>
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re
Properly installed coax should have near zero field leakage. What physics are you
basing your statement to not run coax w/ other "sensitive" wires on?
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: Paint system choices |
The advice is well taken. I do have a fresh air system (one of the Axis
systems from Spruce with fresh air and gun supply combined into one). I
think that makes this a 1 person spary operation however. I will be
getting the 'blue' gloves though not sure of their composition yet. And
a suit and full face mask will be used.
If only I was ready to shoot paint.
Thanks.
Bill "driving the slow one" Watson
Richard Martin wrote:
> Most of the modern paint systems will work well on metal
> airplanes. / / I have used both HVLP and high pressure systems. I
> found that the HVLP systems worked best on fabric surfaces and the
> high pressure worked best on metal airplanes. (note fabric jobs
> require a flex additive).
> I would like to advise you to use caution when using modern urethane
> paints because of the toxic materials used in them (methyl ethel
> keotone) . I would suggest you consider an outside fresh air supply
> instead of charcoal masks. the charcoal masks have a very short life
> and will not filter the toxic vapors. I speak from experience, I now
> suffer from a tremor in my right arm and hand caused by the
> hexamethaline di iso cyanates used in all of the urethane paints.
> Note also use surgeons gloves (the blue ones).
> Good luck.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
> the fast one
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather,
> and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme
> and most importantly, a paint system to commit to.
>
> I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems
> like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others
> the whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further
> information.
>
> I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and
> working with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had
> access to the aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft
> top coat products. But it would be nice to have a local resource
> I'm thinking.
>
> Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please
> contact me directly if more appropriate.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson
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| Subject: | Paint system choices |
I have to second Dick's comments with a hearty "Do not discount the
importance of protection from chemicals". Back in the days of Lacquers
and Testor Model cement, things were a bit more basic with a higher
survival rate. The newer urethane and iso-cyanates should always
(without exception) have painter protection of the eyes, nasal cavities,
lungs and skin. My tremors were central nervous system pains that
appeared immediately after using charcoal filters and no sealed hood.
The cost is a worthy investment in years of enjoyable flight. We are
negotiating language for our professional painters at the airline to
have annual chemical workups because so many die early from cancers in a
most alarming rate.
As a collective group, we could pool resources and get a system which
can be passed from builder to builder like the composite countersink
bit.
John Cox - Ready with the first $300.00 and five Tyvek bodies suits for
the next five participants in the size of your choice.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Martin
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint system choices
Most of the modern paint systems will work well on metal airplanes. I
have used both HVLP and high pressure systems. I found that the HVLP
systems worked best on fabric surfaces and the high pressure worked best
on metal airplanes. (note fabric jobs require a flex additive).
I would like to advise you to use caution when using modern urethane
paints because of the toxic materials used in them (methyl ethel
keotone) . I would suggest you consider an outside fresh air supply
instead of charcoal masks. the charcoal masks have a very short life
and will not filter the toxic vapors. I speak from experience, I now
suffer from a tremor in my right arm and hand caused by the
hexamethaline di iso cyanates used in all of the urethane paints. Note
also use surgeons gloves (the blue ones).
Good luck.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
<MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather, and
the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme and most
importantly, a paint system to commit to.
I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems like a
lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the whole
system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further information.
I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working
with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the
aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat products.
But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking.
Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact me
directly if more appropriate.
Thanks in advance,
Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Paint system choices |
Hey Bill,
The "blue gloves" I use are green: WW Grainger, "TouchNTuff" (Ansell), 92-500,
medium. I started using them years ago when I asked EMS workers what they used
since they are very aids aware and use the best. I happily discovered later
that since they are Nitrile, they stand up to thinners better, but still give
a nice touch.
The chemical scare with urethane is real -- MANY years ago I was working in a cancer
research lab where we gave mice subcutaneous pops of urethane to give them
lung cancer so they could study the tumors. Most forget to cover up their
skin.
I have an explosion proof exhaust fan in my shop and get lots of cross draft, cover
up pretty good, use a fresh carbon cartridge every time I shoot urethane,
no hood, no problems. Painted it in pieces. I used automotive acrylic enamel
just to keep the weight down. (basecoat/clearcoat on cars, I use three coats
of each and it adds up)
The way I paint, it is very labor intensive, and you may want to listen to those
who say "hire someone!", but some of us take pleasure in the process -- something
about unwrapping after shooting is almost perverse. Oh, make sure you use
good automotive masking tape -- especially around the windows inside and out
-- sticky and tough, but won't leave residue. My paint shop's good tape is light
green now.
Come see us! Later, - Lew
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Avionics in, engine started!
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| Subject: | Paint system choices |
Those would be Nitril gloves. You can get them from HF also in the Nitril or,
for double protection, nitril/latex combination.
This is also a good system for fresh air without having multiple hoses being
dragged around.
http://www.eastwood.com/pure-air-2000-with-opti-fit-respirator-med.html
Just be sure your compressor has fresh air. I pulled the cheesy little paper
filter off of my compressor and plumbed a new intake from outside and well above
the building. I also used a water filter with a paper element for a cheap
DIY inlet air filter that works great. You could even use a charcoal filter
if you really wanted. My compressor now has shorter run intervals and is staying
cooler because it doesn't have to suck so hard.
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xkk/R-100471282/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mauledriver Watson
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Paint system choices
The advice is well taken. I do have a fresh air system (one of the Axis
systems from Spruce with fresh air and gun supply combined into one). I
think that makes this a 1 person spary operation however. I will be
getting the 'blue' gloves though not sure of their composition yet. And
a suit and full face mask will be used.
If only I was ready to shoot paint.
Thanks.
Bill "driving the slow one" Watson
Richard Martin wrote:
> Most of the modern paint systems will work well on metal
> airplanes. / / I have used both HVLP and high pressure systems. I
> found that the HVLP systems worked best on fabric surfaces and the
> high pressure worked best on metal airplanes. (note fabric jobs
> require a flex additive).
> I would like to advise you to use caution when using modern urethane
> paints because of the toxic materials used in them (methyl ethel
> keotone) . I would suggest you consider an outside fresh air supply
> instead of charcoal masks. the charcoal masks have a very short life
> and will not filter the toxic vapors. I speak from experience, I now
> suffer from a tremor in my right arm and hand caused by the
> hexamethaline di iso cyanates used in all of the urethane paints.
> Note also use surgeons gloves (the blue ones).
> Good luck.
> Dick Martin
> RV8 N233M
> the fast one
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather,
> and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme
> and most importantly, a paint system to commit to.
>
> I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems
> like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others
> the whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further
> information.
>
> I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and
> working with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had
> access to the aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft
> top coat products. But it would be nice to have a local resource
> I'm thinking.
>
> Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please
> contact me directly if more appropriate.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson
> List Un/Subscription,
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: Paint system choices |
I'd be inclined to prep and prime in parts and look to shoot the
topcoat in as few sessions as possible.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
> >
>
> Yeah, I painted model airplanes as a kid and quickly realized that I
> was a bulider and flyer but not a finisher. The advent of Monokote
> and it's many descendants saved me. I feel your pain.
>
> I swore up and down that I would be farming out the paint but
> finances and some sort of misguided pride has me determined to do it
> myself. I lack the skills and the patience but I have the space so
> I'm just going to have learn to take the time to learn, prep, and
> paint. Plus I have a Maule that REALLY needs a nice new cover and
> paint job. Flying in the rain challenged the original paint. We'll
> see.
>
> Sounds like doing it all at one time is good - but it seems that
> doing it in parts is easier. Putting those 2 thing together with
> lot's of light looks like a good approach.
>
> Bill
>
> jfrjr@roadrunner.com wrote:
>> Bill (and others): I had painted cars as a kid and thought I was
>> pretty good so I decided to paint the 10. I used the Loehle system
>> throughout including his hole filler (works very well with minimum
>> "coats".) I started with a turbine HVLP but was getting crummy
>> results so went back to what I used as a kid (big compressor,
>> refriged air, but used the new lower pressure guns with multiple
>> tips). It did not come out as well as I hoped: 1) booth was too
>> small especially for the fuselage. 2) I painted it over a long
>> period of time so some of the colors don't exactly match (?
>> different humidity, ? improper mixing, ? different batches from
>> Loehle, ???)and, 3) most importantly, shitty lighting because of
>> the too small booth and lack of money to really buy good lights.
>> To me lighting is the most important factor in applying good coats.
>> If I had it to do over I would do it after the plane was together,
>> do it in my hanger in a large very well lit temporary booth. No, I
>> take that!
> back. If I had it to do over I would pay someone to do it!!! If you
> have any specific questions please feel free to call me (207)
> 322-6167. Jay Rowe 40301
>> ---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather,
>>> and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme
>>> and most importantly, a paint system to commit to.
>>>
>>> I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems
>>> like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others
>>> the whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further
>>> information.
>>>
>>> I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and
>>> working with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had
>>> access to the aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft
>>> top coat products. But it would be nice to have a local resource
>>> I'm thinking.
>>>
>>> Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please
>>> contact me directly if more appropriate.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint system choices |
Hi Bill,
I've been working with the Loehle system, so far on the inside of the
cabin top and the interior of the plane. I plan to use it as well on
the exterior. What I can tell you is that his black primer on the
composite parts is a huge help. It is high build and very glossy.
Low spots and pinholes are easily seen after sanding... and visibility
is everything in this process (here I concur with Jay) so lighting is
extremely important. Mike Loehle himself is very helpful, and that
help is as important to the novice painter as the paint itself.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Apr 14, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
> >
>
> It's that time - paint. I have a HVLP turbine system, rebreather,
> and the space to setup a booth of some type. Need a paint scheme
> and most importantly, a paint system to commit to.
>
> I sure would like to get some feedback on Loehle's system. Seems
> like a lot of people use the pinhole filler (John G) and others the
> whole system (Rick). I've contacted them for some further
> information.
>
> I'm also looking at going to my local Dupont distributer and working
> with them. It wasn't clear to him or me that he had access to the
> aircraft line of products, at least not the aircraft top coat
> products. But it would be nice to have a local resource I'm thinking.
>
> Any and all suggestions or guidance is appreciated. Please contact
> me directly if more appropriate.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill "head spinning before inhaling any fumes" Watson
>
>
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| Subject: | AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight |
reboot issue)
That same thing happened to me with my OP on my first flight. Both screens
went black. Gives new meaning to "fly the plane". Needless to say, I don't
have OP any longer.
Gary Specketer
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in
flight reboot issue)
You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@ausawd.com> wrote:
From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@ausawd.com>
Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in
flight reboot issue)
There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your AHRS.
I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly and Com 2 behind
the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is located on a tray above and
aft the battery box ('standard location'), but within two feet of the com2
antenna. Com 1 is primary, com 2 is backup. I had a minor problem with the
pax headset jacks that caused an intermittent open mic problem. When I
attempted to correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic persisted,
com 2 transmitted - the com 2 antenna being too close to the AHRS caused it
to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000' aint pretty - but
a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI, ALT) thought a good idea
during panel design.
Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC connector on the
com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for receive (tx still causes the
AHRS to drift), pending relocation of the AHRS away from the antenna during
the annual (this weekend!!)
Lessons learned:
1. put the magnetometer in the wingtip.
2. don't have any tx antennas within 3' of the AHRS
3. don't route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring in the
same loom as a tx cable (including RG400)
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM flying in Oz
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue
Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users.
We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and have
discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in the airport
identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot while entering the
airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of the 4500. It reboots on
the third letter. I am not sure if any other airport identifiers are
triggers for the reboot.
If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there are no
issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches anyway, there is a
work around.
I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known problem.
They currently don't have a planned software release to fix it. This
problem exists using the latests firmware and map data release.
I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne.
Thanks, Jim Combs
N312F - Flying
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flight re
No physics, just personal experience. Professional engineer (electronics and
comms), have a pretty good handle on electronics and RF installation, and I too
expected properly installed RG400 to afford maximum RF shielding. Practical
experience proved otherwise. Not preaching - just presenting an experience for
other to consider (or not).
Cheers
Ron
VH-XRM flying in Oz
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 11:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight
re
Properly installed coax should have near zero field leakage. What physics are you
basing your statement to not run coax w/ other "sensitive" wires on?
Jay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294299#294299
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| Subject: | Re: Equipment list |
I found this reference for the Equipment list..along with the original
e-mail from my DAR asking me for one and providing an example to use. Go to
page 7 in the attached reference.
http://www.eaa166.org/Newsletters/ENEW0609.pdf
I tried to send an example of my equipment list (MS Word), but forgot you
can not send word attachments to the list. I stripped the text out and put
it in this message.
Date 31 Oct 07
Registration No. N423CF
Manufacture Felker, Timothy R
Model RV-10
Serial No. 001
Preformed By Timothy R Felker
Item Manufacture Model No.
Datum
(in)
Engine Lycoming IO-540 C4B5
53
Propeller Hartzle
HC-C2YR-1BFP/F8068D 33
Main Wheels Cleveland
124.31
Main Tires
124.31
Nav/Strobe lights Wheelen HDACF
98
Airspeed Indicator UMA RV10
90
Altimeter UMA 10,000 Ft in
Hg 90
ADI TruTrak ADI
90
Autopilot TruTrak Digiflight
VSGV 90
EFIS Grand Rapids Horizon Series 1
90
Comm Panel PS Engineering PMA-8000B
90
DVD PS Engineering PAV-80
90
GPS Nav/Com Garmin GNS-430
90
Nav/Com Garmin SL30
90
Transponder Garmin GTX-327
90
EIS Grand Rapids 6000
90
EFIS (2) Blue Mountain G4 Lite
90
O2 System Mountain High EDS 4 IP
194
ELT Ameri-King AK-450
263
AOA Advanced Flight Sys AOA Sport
90
Compass Airpath C2300-L4
90
Rene'
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
Isn't weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it
is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter.
Again, no expert.
Rene
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an
airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations
letter says it must be carried on board, but I can't find anything regarding
weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW
acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for
part 135 ops and even that's not a POH.
FWIW,
Marcus
40286
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
operating limitations and weight and balance
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From: rvdave <davidbf@centurytel.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list
Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is:
A-Airworthiness certificate
R-Registration
R-Radio License(no longer required)
O-Operating Limitations
W-Weight & Balance
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Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight |
reboot issue)
I am just now getting back to my PC, I got the note too.
I am not bashing AFS in any way. They have some really nice stuff and they
have done a ton of good things since my first 3500 installation. But a
reboot caused by something like entering a airport identifier is a Number 1
issue and warrants a posted fix ASAP. I have worked for many years (30+)
with embedded firmware and know how to rank problems.
Customer is likely to find, Will cause reboot = Level 1, with ASAP releas
e
and notification to users
Customer is likely to find, but workaround exists = Level 2, released wit
h a
scheduled release (Monthly)
Customer is not likely to find = Level 3, worked on as time permits,
released when ready.
New function = Level 4, Work on as time permits, release when ready.
All releases should have a problem fixed document along with the released
code.
I still am very happy with my choice of avionics! Its great stuff. Rob an
d
his team have done a lot of very good things.
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:36 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <
rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
> Just a note in respect to AFS, Rob sent me a link to firmware with the
> fix for this issue. I haven=92t tested it yet but at least it does exist
.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Olson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:58 PM
>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential
> in flight reboot issue)
>
>
> True, according to the new rules, an efis failure is now an item requirin
g
> a filed report....just like some engine/prop/systems failures. I think i
t's
> good in that before there wasn't a real good way to know the count of
> issues, an with the proliferation of TAA they now are wanting to know how
> reliable systems are in the real world. Too many companies quote things
> like "MTBF 10,000 hrs" when they may only have a few systems out in the
> world with really low numbers of hours.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
> wrote:
>
> Isn't that now a recordable incident with the FAA??
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> You should have it right at rotation and both blank out, Thanks OP
> Patrick Thyssen
>
> --- On *Wed, 4/14/10, McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@ausawd.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: McGann, Ron <Ron.McGann@ausawd.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in
> flight reboot issue)
> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 5:13 PM
>
> There is nothing more disconcerting than an inflight reboot of your AHRS.
> I have a 3 screen GRT system with Com1 antenna on the belly and Com 2
> behind the cabin top aft fuse intersection. My AHRS is located on a tray
> above and aft the battery box (=91standard location=92), but within two f
eet of
> the com2 antenna. Com 1 is primary, com 2 is backup. I had a minor prob
lem
> with the pax headset jacks that caused an intermittent open mic problem.
> When I attempted to correct the problem by selecting com 2, the open mic
> persisted, com 2 transmitted ' the com 2 antenna being too close to the
AHRS
> caused it to reboot. Having your PFD/MFD screens go blank at 3000=92 ain
t
> pretty ' but a great opportunity to use those backups (ASI, ALT) though
t a
> good idea during panel design.
>
>
> Fixed the open mic problem and found and fixed a dodgy BNC connector on t
he
> com2 antenna (RF leak). But only use com 2 for receive (tx still causes
the
> AHRS to drift), pending relocation of the AHRS away from the antenna duri
ng
> the annual (this weekend!!)
>
>
> Lessons learned:
>
> 1. put the magnetometer in the wingtip.
> 2. don=92t have any tx antennas within 3=92 of the AHRS
> 3. don=92t route any AHRS (or high sensitivity) electrical wiring in t
he
> same loom as a tx cable (including RG400)
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
>
> VH-XRM flying in Oz
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* *owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com*<owner-rv10-list-server@mat
ronics.com>[mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Combs
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 14 April 2010 8:45 PM
> *To:* *rv10-list@matronics.com* <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issu
e
>
>
> Just a heads up for AFS 4500 users.
>
> We have just recently installed a 4500 in addition to the 3500 and have
> discovered a potential in flight surprise. While dialing in the airport
> identifier for Georgetown Ky (27K) the 4500 will reboot while entering th
e
> airport identifier at the MAP / Direct to menu of the 4500. It reboots o
n
> the third letter. I am not sure if any other airport identifiers are
> triggers for the reboot.
>
> If you enter the airport identifier at the 430W or on the 3500 there are
no
> issues. Since we are using the 430W for the approaches anyway, there is
a
> work around.
>
> I talked to AFS about the problem and they said it was a known problem.
> They currently don't have a planned software release to fix it. This
> problem exists using the latests firmware and map data release.
>
> I found this while on the ground. I was glad I was not airborne.
>
> Thanks, Jim Combs
>
> N312F - Flying
>
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