---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/16/10: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:46 AM - Finishing up and Painting (AirMike) 2. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: Equipment list (Marcus Cooper) 3. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Equipment list (C.R. Usery) 4. 12:45 PM - Re: Re: Equipment list (Rene Felker) 5. 10:20 PM - Re: Firewall access (woxofswa) 6. 10:26 PM - Re: Firewall access (woxofswa) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:41 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Finishing up and Painting From: "AirMike" I found after finishing the plane and getting it flying that the hours upon hours of finish work on the composite parts were starting to drive me crazy. It was a real grind and dirty work compared to the build. If I had one suggestion on painting. Do as much as you can on the composite stuff to bring it to a high standard. Otherwise it is just lipstick on the pig. Most of my fellow EAA'ers locally seem to like the DCC Concept system for self painting. I never got even close to perfection on painting my interior parts, so I decided that: considering the toxicity of the acrylic urethane systems that I would farm it out to the pros. Cheap it is not, but spraying is a real art. You gotta respect those in the build community who can do it well. I could not. Currently in the paint shop - Jet Glo now being applied. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - phase 1 / painting Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294424#294424 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:00 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Great info Rene, thanks. However, I can't help but wonder where some of these requirements the DARs require come from. For example, in addition to the equipment list, your guy also requires the 'beginning draft of a Pilot's Operating Handbook', pretty nebulous and apparently not a FAA requirement. Sure seems like there should be a consistent answer on what's required. I have no issue with additional recommendations, but they shouldn't affect the inspection. Looks like you have a great EAA chapter, I'm envious. Marcus 40286 Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:16 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list I found this reference for the Equipment list..along with the original e-mail from my DAR asking me for one and providing an example to use. Go to page 7 in the attached reference. http://www.eaa166.org/Newsletters/ENEW0609.pdf I tried to send an example of my equipment list (MS Word), but forgot you can not send word attachments to the list. I stripped the text out and put it in this message. Date 31 Oct 07 Registration No. N423CF Manufacture Felker, Timothy R Model RV-10 Serial No. 001 Preformed By Timothy R Felker Item Manufacture Model No. Datum (in) Engine Lycoming IO-540 C4B5 53 Propeller Hartzle HC-C2YR-1BFP/F8068D 33 Main Wheels Cleveland 124.31 Main Tires 124.31 Nav/Strobe lights Wheelen HDACF 98 Airspeed Indicator UMA RV10 90 Altimeter UMA 10,000 Ft in Hg 90 ADI TruTrak ADI 90 Autopilot TruTrak Digiflight VSGV 90 EFIS Grand Rapids Horizon Series 1 90 Comm Panel PS Engineering PMA-8000B 90 DVD PS Engineering PAV-80 90 GPS Nav/Com Garmin GNS-430 90 Nav/Com Garmin SL30 90 Transponder Garmin GTX-327 90 EIS Grand Rapids 6000 90 EFIS (2) Blue Mountain G4 Lite 90 O2 System Mountain High EDS 4 IP 194 ELT Ameri-King AK-450 263 AOA Advanced Flight Sys AOA Sport 90 Compass Airpath C2300-L4 90 Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Isn't weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter. Again, no expert. Rene 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can't find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that's not a POH. FWIW, Marcus 40286 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list operating limitations and weight and balance -----Original Message----- From: rvdave Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate R-Registration R-Radio License(no longer required) O-Operating Limitations W-Weight & Balance -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 =================================== rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronic================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS via the Web --> http://forums.matronics.comstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> - List Contribution Web Site style='mso-spacerun:yes'> Thank you for your generous style='mso-spacerun:yes'> -Matt style='mso-spacerun:yes'> --> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:54 PM PST US From: "C.R. Usery" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list I just had my plane inspected by the FAA (MIDO) from Seattle. =C2- They did not require an equipment list or a POH. =C2- There were two inspectors and the process took 5 hours. They checked every connection in the engine. Look through every access panel. In the end just a couple of items that I adjusted while they were there and they issued the Special Airworthiness Certificate. =C2- What they wanted to see was exactly what the EAA checklist said you would n eed. So I would recommend that guide as a good resource. Keep copies of eve rything you send in as they did ask to see information that was sent to get the registration number for the plane. =C2- There is no requirement for a equipment list or POH that I can find or that they requested. =C2- I have copies of the forms=C2-and documents they sent if anyone is intere sted. Just=C2-drop me a note to my email and I will send you copies. =C2- Charles Usery N719PD cusery@juno.com Do not Archive --- On Fri, 4/16/10, Marcus Cooper wrote: From: Marcus Cooper Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Great info Rene, thanks.=C2- However, I can=99t help but wonder whe re some of these requirements the DARs require come from.=C2- For example , in addition to the equipment list, =C2-your guy also requires the =98beginning draft of a Pilot=99s Operating Handbook=99, pre tty nebulous and apparently not a FAA requirement.=C2- Sure seems like th ere should be a consistent answer on what=99s required.=C2- I have no issue with additional recommendations, but they shouldn=99t affect the inspection. =C2- Looks like you have a great EAA chapter, I=99m envious. =C2- Marcus 40286 Do not archive =C2- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:16 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list =C2- =C2- I found this reference for the Equipment listalong with t he original e-mail from my DAR asking me for one and providing an example t o use.=C2- Go to page 7 in the attached reference.=C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.eaa166.org/Newsletters/ENEW0609.pdf=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- I tried to send an example of my equipment list (MS Word), but forgot you c an not send word attachments to the list.=C2- I stripped the text out and put it in this message. =C2- Date=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- 31 Oct 07 Registration No.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- N423 CF Manufacture=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2- Felker, Timothy R Model=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- RV-10 Serial No.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 001 Preformed By =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- Timothy R Felker =C2- =C2- Item=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- Manufacture=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Model No. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Datum =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- (in) Engine=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Lycom ing=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- IO-540 C 4B5=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 53 Propeller=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Hartzle=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- HC-C2YR-1BFP/F8068D=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- 33 Main Wheels=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2- Cleveland=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 124.31 Main Tires=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 12 4.31 Nav/Strobe lights=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Wheelen=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- HDACF=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 98 Airspeed Indicator=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- UMA=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 - 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263 AOA=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 - Advanced Flight Sys=C2-=C2- AOA Sport=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2- 90 Compass=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Airpath=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- C2300-L4=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- 90 =C2- =C2- =C2- Rene' 801-721-6080 =C2- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list =C2- Isn=99t weight and balance an operating limitation.=C2- In certifie d airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limi tations letter.=C2- =C2- Again, no expert. =C2- Rene 801-721-6080 =C2- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list =C2- To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airw orthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can=99t find anything regard ing weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth.=C2- No mention of any kind of manuals at all exce pt for part 135 ops and even that=99s not a POH. =C2- FWIW, Marcus 40286 =C2- =C2- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list =C2- operating limitations and weight and balance =C2- -----Original Message----- From: rvdave Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list ybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: =C2 -A-Airworthiness certificateR-RegistrationR-Radio License(no longer requi red)O-Operating LimitationsW-Weight & Balance =C2---------Dave FordRV6 fl yingRV10 buildingCadillac, MI =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-Read this topic on line here: =C2-http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#29426 6 =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-======== ===rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List== =========tp://forums.matronics.com======= ====_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution====== ===== =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronic================ - 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RV10-List=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ---> http://forums.matronics.com =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- - List Contribution Web Site -Thank you for your generous support!=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 - =C2-=C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin.--> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:00 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list I would love to take credit..but not my chapter. We have a great chapter in Ogden.... My DAR did not care about the POH... Rene 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Great info Rene, thanks. However, I can't help but wonder where some of these requirements the DARs require come from. For example, in addition to the equipment list, your guy also requires the 'beginning draft of a Pilot's Operating Handbook', pretty nebulous and apparently not a FAA requirement. Sure seems like there should be a consistent answer on what's required. I have no issue with additional recommendations, but they shouldn't affect the inspection. Looks like you have a great EAA chapter, I'm envious. Marcus 40286 Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:16 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list I found this reference for the Equipment list..along with the original e-mail from my DAR asking me for one and providing an example to use. Go to page 7 in the attached reference. http://www.eaa166.org/Newsletters/ENEW0609.pdf I tried to send an example of my equipment list (MS Word), but forgot you can not send word attachments to the list. I stripped the text out and put it in this message. Date 31 Oct 07 Registration No. N423CF Manufacture Felker, Timothy R Model RV-10 Serial No. 001 Preformed By Timothy R Felker Item Manufacture Model No. Datum (in) Engine Lycoming IO-540 C4B5 53 Propeller Hartzle HC-C2YR-1BFP/F8068D 33 Main Wheels Cleveland 124.31 Main Tires 124.31 Nav/Strobe lights Wheelen HDACF 98 Airspeed Indicator UMA RV10 90 Altimeter UMA 10,000 Ft in Hg 90 ADI TruTrak ADI 90 Autopilot TruTrak Digiflight VSGV 90 EFIS Grand Rapids Horizon Series 1 90 Comm Panel PS Engineering PMA-8000B 90 DVD PS Engineering PAV-80 90 GPS Nav/Com Garmin GNS-430 90 Nav/Com Garmin SL30 90 Transponder Garmin GTX-327 90 EIS Grand Rapids 6000 90 EFIS (2) Blue Mountain G4 Lite 90 O2 System Mountain High EDS 4 IP 194 ELT Ameri-King AK-450 263 AOA Advanced Flight Sys AOA Sport 90 Compass Airpath C2300-L4 90 Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Isn't weight and balance an operating limitation. In certified airplanes it is found in the POH, but not including in our operating limitations letter. Again, no expert. Rene 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list To complicate things, I found in FAR 91.203 the requirement to have an airworthiness certificate and registration, and my operating limitations letter says it must be carried on board, but I can't find anything regarding weight and balance in my search of FAR/AIM although I remember my ARROW acronym from my youth. No mention of any kind of manuals at all except for part 135 ops and even that's not a POH. FWIW, Marcus 40286 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list operating limitations and weight and balance -----Original Message----- From: rvdave Sent: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 5:46 pm Subject: RV10-List: Re: Equipment list Maybe I'm misinformed but I thought all that is required in the a/c is: A-Airworthiness certificate R-Registration R-Radio License(no longer required) O-Operating Limitations W-Weight & Balance -------- Dave Ford RV6 flying RV10 building Cadillac, MI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294266#294266 =================================== rget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== http://www.matronic================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS via the Web --> http://forums.matronics.comstyle='mso-spacerun:yes'> - List Contribution Web Site style='mso-spacerun:yes'> Thank you for your generous style='mso-spacerun:yes'> -Matt style='mso-spacerun:yes'> --> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution - The RV10-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:23 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access From: "woxofswa" This is what I ended up doing. I didn't want to run a hot hose through a hot center tunnel and Deems suggested that the FO side of the firewall has more access. I didn't have a lot of room because of rudder pedal access. I hope it works with the engine mount. I can use 90 deg fittings at the engine side if I need to. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294509#294509 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:17 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access From: "woxofswa" I glassed out a bulge in my side panel to run the larger low pressure return line there. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294510#294510 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.