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Sat 04/17/10


Total Messages Posted: 15



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:04 AM - Re: Re: Firewall access (Tony Woods)
     2. 04:19 AM - Re: Re: Firewall access (rwendell@hydro-splash.com)
     3. 04:47 AM - Re: Re: Firewall access (Bob Leffler)
     4. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Firewall access (Michael Kraus)
     5. 06:31 AM - Re: Firewall access (Lew Gallagher)
     6. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Firewall access (Tony SESA)
     7. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Firewall access (Rene)
     8. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Firewall access (Rene)
     9. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Firewall access (Rob Kochman)
    10. 09:41 AM - Vettermans plans (Eric_Kallio)
    11. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Firewall access (Sean S. Blair)
    12. 10:11 AM - was Firewall access-now building benches (Bob and Karen Brown)
    13. 12:01 PM - Re: G3X has now has SVT. :) (William Curtis)
    14. 05:06 PM - Re: Finishing up and Painting (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
    15. 05:10 PM - Re: Vettermans plans (Ron B.)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:04:40 AM PST US
    From: "Tony Woods" <twoods@sesa.af>
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!!


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    Time: 04:19:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    From: rwendell@hydro-splash.com
    I went with 4x8 ------Original Message------ From: Tony Woods Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Sent: Apr 17, 2010 3:00 AM Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 04:47:30 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    I went with two of the standard EAA benches. Small enough they don't get in the way in a two car garage, but when you put them end to end, just right for working on the wings. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rwendell@hydro-splash.com Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 7:17 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access I went with 4x8 ------Original Message------ From: Tony Woods Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Sent: Apr 17, 2010 3:00 AM Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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    Time: 05:41:47 AM PST US
    From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    I have a 4x4 and a 4x8. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:00 AM, "Tony Woods" <twoods@sesa.af> wrote: > > Hey all. > > This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my > empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. > > I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am > wondering about > setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from > scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can > make it > any dimension then I might as well make it right... > > Tony Woods > Not started anything yet!! > >


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    Time: 06:31:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
    Hey Myron, That not only looks slick and professional, I can't believe you did that in two days! My owner/pilot has been talking a/c after he came back from his cross training in TX -- can you imagine doing all this after the fact? Sheesh! Hey Tony, We actually used the crates that parts came in. One is 4X8, the other 4X9.5 -- just turned them upside down, stuck some legs on them and covered the top with carpet. Oh yeah, it would be a good idea to start a new thread next time when you change the subject. Later, - Lew do not archive -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Avionics in, engine started! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294523#294523


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    Time: 06:37:32 AM PST US
    From: Tony SESA <twoods@sesa.af>
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    Thank you! I think a big piece of solid ply is going to work well. I'll keep you posted on progress in a month or so when my boys and I get started. I'm sure I'll have many newbie questions :-) Cheers Tony Do not archive Sent from my phone On 18/04/2010, at 0:39, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote: > > > > I have a 4x4 and a 4x8. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:00 AM, "Tony Woods" <twoods@sesa.af> wrote: > >> >> Hey all. >> >> This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my >> empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. >> >> I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am >> wondering about >> setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from >> scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can >> make it >> any dimension then I might as well make it right... >> >> Tony Woods >> Not started anything yet!! >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:20:39 AM PST US
    From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    I already had a sturdy 4 X 8 workbench with a vise mounted on it. I added two fold up tables from Costco. They are easy to use, move and put out of the way when needed. Once i was working on the fuselage, I made a 4 X 6 platform ....about a foot high with carpet on the top.....to work on the fuselage and cabin top. Once I was ready to put the gear on, I put the fuselage up on the Costco table. Things to consider.... Dimbling table....where to build it and/or put it. You will need an 8 foot flat surface for the trailing edge of the flaps The wings are 12 feet long, I used the two fold up tables I had plenty of room in my garage during the summer because I could move my wife's car outside, but in the winter I could not use her side. So I had to shuffle stuff around to work. Unless you have plenty of room, I would not get to carried away building stuff until you need it. Items you may or may not need... Wing stands Fixture for wing leading edge and fuel tanks Fixture for flaps Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Woods Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!!


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    Time: 07:38:08 AM PST US
    From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    One more thing. When you are building your table(s) you need to make sure at least one edge of the table deck extends beyond the table frame. For example while I was working on the wing, I clamped the spar to the table. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Woods Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!!


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    Time: 08:14:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com>
    Space in my garage is at a premium, so I made a 8x2 and 5x2 modified EAA tables, which have worked great. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Tony SESA <twoods@sesa.af> wrote: > > Thank you! I think a big piece of solid ply is going to work well. I'll > keep you posted on progress in a month or so when my boys and I get started. > I'm sure I'll have many newbie questions :-) > Cheers > Tony > > Do not archive > > Sent from my phone > > > On 18/04/2010, at 0:39, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote: > >> > >> >> I have a 4x4 and a 4x8. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:00 AM, "Tony Woods" <twoods@sesa.af> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hey all. >>> >>> This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my >>> empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. >>> >>> I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering >>> about >>> setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from >>> scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make >>> it >>> any dimension then I might as well make it right... >>> >>> Tony Woods >>> Not started anything yet!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K


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    Time: 09:41:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Vettermans plans
    From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
    It seems as though I have been shorted the instructions for the Vettermans exhaust system. I have 2 pages with some hand written drawings, but nothing else. Anybody have something they can PM or post? Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294541#294541


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    Time: 09:47:03 AM PST US
    From: "Sean S. Blair" <dogsbark@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Firewall access
    To make two benches, I got four of the adjustable sawhorses (Stanley) =C2 -and a couple solid core doors placed on top.=C2- This was good=C2-fo r reconfiguration and easy to take apart, then lean against the wall to get them out of the way. =C2-=C2- I think the doors were around $50.00 eac h.=C2- I was able to drill into them, then eventually dispose of them whe n finished.=C2- Over a period of years, it can cup a little=C2- ....jus t add a third sawhorse in the middle.=C2- Easier to clamp to these benche s, too. Also, used some of the tool chest liner that comes in rolls on top of the b enches.=C2- This kept aluminum fragments away from the parts and minimize d scratching. Here's a pic:=C2- http://websites.expercraft.com/seanb/images/55746378243 547ff171177.jpg Sean Blair COS RV-7A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:26:13 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access One more thing. =C2-When you are building your table(s) you need to make sure at least one edge of the table deck extends beyond the table frame. =C2-F or example while I was working on the wing, I clamped the spar to the table. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Woods Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. =C2-How big? =C2-I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started anything yet!! =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. ===========


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    Time: 10:11:31 AM PST US
    From: "Bob and Karen Brown" <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
    Subject: was Firewall access-now building benches
    Can we change the subject? Bob Brown 40871 Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean S. Blair Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:47 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access To make two benches, I got four of the adjustable sawhorses (Stanley) and a couple solid core doors placed on top. This was good for reconfiguration and easy to take apart, then lean against the wall to get them out of the way. I think the doors were around $50.00 each. I was able to drill into them, then eventually dispose of them when finished. Over a period of years, it can cup a little ....just add a third sawhorse in the middle. Easier to clamp to these benches, too. Also, used some of the tool chest liner that comes in rolls on top of the benches. This kept aluminum fragments away from the parts and minimized scratching. Here's a pic: http://websites.expercraft.com/seanb/images/55746378243547ff171177.jpg Sean Blair COS RV-7A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 8:26:13 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access One more thing. When you are building your table(s) you need to make sure at least one edge of the table deck extends beyond the table frame. For example while I was working on the wing, I clamped the spar to the table. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Woods Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:01 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Firewall access Hey all. This sounds like a stupid question, but I'm about to start work on my empennage in a few weeks and am getting my workshop sorted out. I've got a good set of tools coming from PlaneTools, but am wondering about setting up a work bench. How big? I'm going to build the bench from scratch, so wondering how wide and long would be good, since I can make it any dimension then I might as well make it right... Tony Woods Not started sp; &


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    Time: 12:01:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: G3X has now has SVT. :)
    From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
    A Garmin GNS-430/W will flow a flight plan to any device that understand Aviation data on the RS-232 or FLT PLN data on the ARINC interface. This includes any device from a portable up to an advanced EFIS. I have a backu p portable connected to a 430W and any update to the flight plan on the 430 i s reflected on the portable. This is also true for Aspen, AFS, GRT and other EFIS. I would expect no less of a G3X. -- William N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Perry, Phil <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> wrote : > Check out the attached file=85.. > > > I only wish I could control a full Garmin stack with the G3X push buttons > now. > > > As it currently stands, I believe you have to load an approach in your 43 0 > and then do it again on your G3X. Kind of a pain, but it would be nice i f > they linked up so you only have to load the approach once. > > > But I really like the direction the product is going! > > > Phil >


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    Time: 05:06:36 PM PST US
    From: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Finishing up and Painting
    It's starting to become clear that my next major step is composite finishing. I've just 'finished' basic fabrication of the pants, canpopy top, doors and cowling but the next step will be going back and getting these parts to some sort of a final finish status. I guess I need to pick a path through this including a paint system but then just focus on composite finishing until I get it to the point where the aluminum is. Glad I'm building an all metal airplane. Let the mess begin! Bill AirMike wrote: > > I found after finishing the plane and getting it flying that the hours upon hours of finish work on the composite parts were starting to drive me crazy. It was a real grind and dirty work compared to the build. > > If I had one suggestion on painting. Do as much as you can on the composite stuff to bring it to a high standard. Otherwise it is just lipstick on the pig. > > Most of my fellow EAA'ers locally seem to like the DCC Concept system for self painting. I never got even close to perfection on painting my interior parts, so I decided that: considering the toxicity of the acrylic urethane systems that I would farm it out to the pros. Cheap it is not, but spraying is a real art. You gotta respect those in the build community who can do it well. I could not. Currently in the paint shop - Jet Glo now being applied. > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B - phase 1 / painting > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294424#294424 > > >


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    Time: 05:10:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Vettermans plans
    From: "Ron B." <cfxoa@klis.com>
    That's all you get. Just start pre-installing what you know fits where. And then it's fairly easy to place the remaining items. Some of us have replaced some of the support brackets with heavier metal. The install is rather simple once you get into it Ron Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294590#294590




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