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1. 05:37 AM - Re: Fuel Lines (johngoodman)
2. 01:25 PM - Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 01:51 PM - Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (Matt Dralle)
4. 02:04 PM - Re: AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight reboot issue) (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
5. 02:11 PM - Re: Fuel Lines (Linn Walters)
6. 04:58 PM - Instrumentation Checkout - HDTV Video (Matt Dralle)
7. 07:36 PM - Cleveland Static Ports and 1/4 ID to 1/4 OD (Sean Stephens)
8. 07:49 PM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (Matt Dralle)
9. 08:42 PM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (Kelly McMullen)
10. 08:43 PM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (Sean Stephens)
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I used a combination of the existing aluminum lines, Bonaco lines, and some braided
lines I made myself. If I was doing it again, i would use nothing but Bonaco
lines for the Brakes, and maybe a few homemade braided along with Bonaco for
the fuel lines in the tunnel.
As far as a pass through to the wings, try these:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an832.php
Here are a couple of shots of my tunnel. The all blue lines are Bonaco and the
ones with red are mine.
John
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| Subject: | Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... |
Dear Listers,
Looking at the requirements for IFR certification of the RV-8, it looks like the
only thing I don't have is an "alternate static source". This seems like it
would be as simple as adding a "T" valve in the 1/4 neoprem static air tube that
goes along under the left hand canopy rail.
Does anyone have any suggestions on something I could just cut the tube and stick
in line with a little thumb screw to switch between the fuselage or cabin source?
I'm assuming this will meet the requirement?
Thanks!
PS - Attached are a couple of pictures from Taxi-testing and Magnetometer calibration
this weekend. Cool?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
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| Subject: | AHRS Reboots (was Heads up - AFS 4500 potential in flight |
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Just got back from SNF and wading through emails.
The soft aluminum lines will bend and stretch during a really bad
accident before rupturing .... you won't bend or stretch as much.
Flexible hoses won't stretch .... and offer a better opportunity for
pulling something loose. Both typres have their advantages .....
flexible lines are great for compound routes where many bends are
needed, soft aluminum is lighter, less expensive, easily bent/worked,
and as long as it doesn't get repetitive bending forces lasts a long time.
Just my 2 pennies.
Linn
Les Kearney wrote:
> Mike
>
> Perhaps I am being a bit anal, but I don't like soft AL lines in the
> cockpit. While I am sure that the are serviceable, I don't don't think
> they will stay intact during an accident if the cockpit was in any way
> deformed. My thought is that a braided steel line might be a bit more
> forgiving.
>
> I have seen pix of a light a/c that was consumed by fire and it is a
> very sobering sight.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Kraus
> *Sent:* April-18-10 7:35 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Fuel Lines
>
> I would recommend using the soft aluminum lines. A lot cheaper and
> last longer. In fact, you could buy the flaring tools, all fittings,
> and the aluminum lines cheaper than the flexible lines...
>
> One suggestion would be to split the line from the fuel valve to the
> tanks into 2 lines and use a 90 degree bulkhead fitting as they pass
> thru the tunnel walls. Then you basically have 2 straight runs vs. 1
> complex run. Just my opinion.... I can send Picts if you'd like to
> see how I did it.
>
> -Mike
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:45 AM, "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca
> <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am planning on installing Bonoco Inc steel braided fel lines in
>> lieu of the soft aluminium lines spec'd by Vans. I am wondering if
>> anyone else has done this and if so how the the fuselage passthrough
>> to the wing was handled. It would seem that one otion is to use a
>> bulkhead fitting at the fuselage which would make the connection to
>> the wing vey simnple. Alternatively a single run of fuel line fom the
>> fuel valve to the wing is also an option.
>>
>> Thoughts . comments anyone?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>> #40643 - Systems / Wiring / Finishing
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| Subject: | Instrumentation Checkout - HDTV Video |
Dear Listers,
Last week I ran the IO-390 on the RV-8 for about 12 minutes and went though and
checked all of the various systems and sensors. I talked though the each of
the things as I was checking them in an HD video I edited of the session.
Thought some might find it interesting...
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8?v=-byMWhyTwjA
.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
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| Subject: | Cleveland Static Ports and 1/4 ID to 1/4 OD |
For those that have the Cleaveland static ports, what have you done to
transfer from the 1/4 ID tubing that the ports need to the 1/4 OD tubing
that most everything else uses? The Cleaveland installation
instructions mention to just slide the 1/4 OD into the 1/4 ID, but that
doesn't sound like it would be optimal for a leak free transition.
thanks,
Sean #40303
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| Subject: | Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... |
At 03:53 PM 4/19/2010 Monday, you wrote:
>--> RV-List message posted by: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
>Matt, cut the tubing, insert a 'T' with a short stub of tubing. Put a plug in
the tube of a type that you can pull out easily if needed.
>Simple, light, and inexpensive.
>Linn
>Matt Dralle wrote:
>>Dear Listers,
>>
>>Looking at the requirements for IFR certification of the RV-8, it looks like
the only thing I don't have is an "alternate static source". This seems like
it would be as simple as adding a "T" valve in the 1/4 neoprem static air tube
that goes along under the left hand canopy rail.
>>
>>Does anyone have any suggestions on something I could just cut the tube and stick
in line with a little thumb screw to switch between the fuselage or cabin
source?
>>
>>I'm assuming this will meet the requirement?
>>
>>Thanks!
What a great idea, Linn! Thanks. Here's what I did tonight including a couple
of pictures...
I added a small "T" Nylon fitting in the 1/4" tube for static air just in front
of the instrument panel under the left cockpit rail. I cut a short piece of
1/4" tubing and filled it with black RTV and then put a piece of heat shrink tubing
over it to form a handle. The whole thing fits nicely under the cockpit
rail and from the pilot's position is just barely visible, yet can be accessed
easy. In the event that icing conditions occur, the fitting can be unscrewed
and the plug removed for cabin venting.
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
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| Subject: | Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... |
Not sure where you are finding this "requirement". #1. There is no IFR
certification of OBAM aircraft. #2.You only have to meet the
requirements of 91.205, para a, b, c and d. There is no mention of
alternate static source in that FAR. You can't fly IFR until you
complete Phase I and your operating limitations will state after Phase
I that for night VFR you have to meet 91.205 C and for IFR meet 91.205
D. It is up to you, the builder to decide if you need anything else.
If your static system is at all like the RV-10, with a port on each
side of the tailcone, and you incorporated an uphill section to the
top of the tailcone to join the lines from each port, there really is
no need for an alternate static source. Mooney used the same design
and through the 1960s had no alternate source and no drain. Only after
Part 23 was issued did they start incorporating those features. IMHO,
just adds complexity and potential for leaks. Perhaps I would think
differently if you were based outdoors in Oregon or NJ, but hangared
in most parts of the country, you will almost never get any water into
the system.
Kelly
#40866
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Looking at the requirements for IFR certification of the RV-8, it looks like
the only thing I don't have is an "alternate static source". This seems like it
would be as simple as adding a "T" valve in the 1/4 neoprem static air tube
that goes along under the left hand canopy rail.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on something I could just cut the tube and stick
in line with a little thumb screw to switch between the fuselage or cabin
source?
>
> I'm assuming this will meet the requirement?
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS - Attached are a couple of pictures from Taxi-testing and Magnetometer calibration
this weekend. Cool?
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
>
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| Subject: | Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... |
Matt,
Really enjoy your videos. Nice work.
Here's an interesting idea for an alternate source:
http://www.rv7blog.com/2008/11/09/alternate-static-air-valve. Safeair
has an alternate source kit, but it seems it would be pretty easy to do
yourself: http://www.safeair1.com/PS_1.htm near bottom of page.
-Sean #40303
On 4/19/10 3:50 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> Dear Listers,
>
> Looking at the requirements for IFR certification of the RV-8, it looks like
the only thing I don't have is an "alternate static source". This seems like
it would be as simple as adding a "T" valve in the 1/4 neoprem static air tube
that goes along under the left hand canopy rail.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions on something I could just cut the tube and stick
in line with a little thumb screw to switch between the fuselage or cabin
source?
>
> I'm assuming this will meet the requirement?
>
> Thanks!
>
> PS - Attached are a couple of pictures from Taxi-testing and Magnetometer calibration
this weekend. Cool?
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
>
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