RV10-List Digest Archive

Tue 04/20/10


Total Messages Posted: 24



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:43 AM - Re: Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (Werner Schneider)
     2. 05:21 AM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (johngoodman)
     3. 06:06 AM - Re: Cleveland Static Ports and 1/4 ID to 1/4 OD (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
     4. 08:05 AM - Re: Cleveland Static Ports and 1/4 ID to 1/4 OD (Sean Stephens)
     5. 08:07 AM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (C.R. Usery)
     6. 08:11 AM - do I need a transponder? (Chris Hukill)
     7. 08:24 AM - Re: Workbenches (and other stuff I know now...) (Rick Beebe)
     8. 08:50 AM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (Kelly McMullen)
     9. 09:54 AM - induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300 (Bob and Karen Brown)
    10. 10:06 AM - Re: induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300 ()
    11. 10:23 AM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (Linn Walters)
    12. 10:48 AM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (Perry, Phil)
    13. 10:51 AM - Re: induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300 (John Strain)
    14. 01:20 PM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (Kelly McMullen)
    15. 02:23 PM - Re: induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300 (Bob Leffler)
    16. 05:27 PM - Re: do I need a transponder? (N777TY)
    17. 06:49 PM - TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR? (Matt Dralle)
    18. 07:02 PM - Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR? (Kellym)
    19. 08:10 PM - Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR? (Bob Turner)
    20. 08:11 PM - Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR? (Bob Turner)
    21. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR? (Matt Dralle)
    22. 08:53 PM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (DLM)
    23. 08:56 PM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (DLM)
    24. 09:20 PM - Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... (fehdxlbb@gmail.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:43:36 AM PST US
    From: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
    Subject: Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
    Hello Matt, simple, still unscrewing in icing condition would not be my thing. In 2007 I've posted that once: hopefully attached, what I did (on a Glastar) a Curtis Drain Valve CCA-1550 together with a T and two elbows to fit the static line. And I did an inflight check, error is 4 KIAS to high indication. br Werner


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    Time: 05:21:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
    From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
    Try one of these miniature air control valves from McMaster-Carr, Clippard, or AMR. John -------- #40572 QB. Working on Cowling &amp; Panel N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294940#294940 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/8399kp2s_995.gif http://forums.matronics.com//files/8399kp1s_102.gif http://forums.matronics.com//files/tv_2s_158.jpg


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    Time: 06:06:01 AM PST US
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Subject: Cleveland Static Ports and 1/4 ID to 1/4 OD
    I used 1/4" ID Tygon between the static ports up to a 1/4" tee fitting secured to the mid-point on the bulkhead. From the tee fitting there's 1/4" ID Tygon coming out and transitions to 1/4" OD standard static line along the longeron. The 1/4" OD line is very snug inside the Tygon and I've also got a small hose clamp at the transition point to insure sealing. No issues with leaks in 2 years. Bob RV-10 N442PM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Cleveland Static Ports and 1/4 ID to 1/4 OD For those that have the Cleaveland static ports, what have you done to transfer from the 1/4 ID tubing that the ports need to the 1/4 OD tubing that most everything else uses? The Cleaveland installation instructions mention to just slide the 1/4 OD into the 1/4 ID, but that doesn't sound like it would be optimal for a leak free transition. thanks, Sean #40303


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    Time: 08:05:27 AM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
    Subject: Re: Cleveland Static Ports and 1/4 ID to 1/4 OD
    Very good. Thanks Bob. Guess I shouldn't have knocked it until I tried it. :) do not archive -Sean #40303 On 4/20/10 8:05 AM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)"<bob.condrey@baesystems.com> > > I used 1/4" ID Tygon between the static ports up to a 1/4" tee fitting secured to the mid-point on the bulkhead. From the tee fitting there's 1/4" ID Tygon coming out and transitions to 1/4" OD standard static line along the longeron. The 1/4" OD line is very snug inside the Tygon and I've also got a small hose clamp at the transition point to insure sealing. No issues with leaks in 2 years. > > Bob > RV-10 N442PM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:31 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Cleveland Static Ports and 1/4 ID to 1/4 OD > > --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens<sean@stephensville.com> > > For those that have the Cleaveland static ports, what have you done to > transfer from the 1/4 ID tubing that the ports need to the 1/4 OD tubing > that most everything else uses? The Cleaveland installation > instructions mention to just slide the 1/4 OD into the 1/4 ID, but that > doesn't sound like it would be optimal for a leak free transition. > > thanks, > > Sean #40303 > > >


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    Time: 08:07:43 AM PST US
    From: "C.R. Usery" <drrx60@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
    Kelly, - You may be right on the requirements but I just had the Seattle MIDO come a nd inspect my RV-10 and on the list of items they wanted to see was the Alt ernate Static Source. - Since I had this installed we did not discuss if it was optional/required. Just wanted all to know that these FAA inspectors were looking for it. - Charles Usery N719PD - Do not Archive --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote: From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... Not sure where you are finding this "requirement". #1. There is no IFR certification of OBAM aircraft. #2.You only have to meet the requirements of 91.205, para a, b, c and d. There is no mention of alternate static source in that FAR. You can't fly IFR until you complete Phase I and your operating limitations will state after Phase I that for night VFR you have to meet 91.205 C and for IFR meet 91.205 D. It is up to you, the builder to decide if you need anything else. If your static system is at all like the RV-10, with a port on each side of the tailcone, and you incorporated an uphill section to the top of the tailcone to join the lines from each port, there really is no need for an alternate static source. Mooney used the same design and through the 1960s had no alternate source and no drain. Only after Part 23 was issued did they start incorporating those features. IMHO, just adds complexity and potential for leaks. Perhaps I would think differently if you were based outdoors in Oregon or NJ, but hangared in most parts of the country, you will almost never get any water into the system. Kelly #40866 On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > Looking at the requirements for IFR certification of the RV-8, it looks l ike the only thing I don't have is an "alternate static source". -This se ems like it would be as simple as adding a "T" valve in the 1/4 neoprem sta tic air tube that goes along under the left hand canopy rail. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on something I could just cut the tube a nd stick in line with a little thumb screw to switch between the fuselage o r cabin source? > > I'm assuming this will meet the requirement? > > Thanks! > > PS - Attached are a couple of pictures from Taxi-testing and Magnetometer calibration this weekend. -Cool? > > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 08:11:48 AM PST US
    From: "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill@cox.net>
    Subject: do I need a transponder?
    I am currently planning my IFR panel for my RV10. Does anyone know what the future requirements for ADSB transceivers will be and does it negate the need for a mode C transponder. If that's the case what is the timeframe for not needing a mode C and needing the UAT for the ADSB? Chris Hukill


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    Time: 08:24:49 AM PST US
    From: Rick Beebe <richard.beebe@yale.edu>
    Subject: Re: Workbenches (and other stuff I know now...)
    Chris Colohan wrote: > When building that bench, make sure you use 2x4's that are _absolutely_ > straight, and even better if they have also seasoned a few years (aka, > perfectly dry). > > I bought the "premium" 2x4's at my local Home Depot, and found that > after I assembled my bench (with a 3/4" plywood top) there was a 1/8" to > 3/16" warp in the work surface. Not good. So I got some MDF, set it up > perfectly flat on top of the bench (using washers as shims), and screwed > it down. If you have a tablesaw, a better option is a torsion box top. I make mine out of a 1/2" MDF core, 1/4" MDF bottom and either 1/2 or 3/4" MDF top. By their nature, they pretty much have to come out dead flat. In case you don't know what it is there's an example here: http://thewoodwhisperer.com/episode-18-assembly-table-torsion-box/ Alternately, you can rip some 3/4" plywood into 3 1/2" strips and glue them together to make your own "2x4"s. --Rick


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    Time: 08:50:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
    From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
    I appreciate the data point. I think we all know that FAA inspectors are not very familiar with OBAM requirements. Has been discussed many times that there is no IFR certification of OBAM aircraft. I'd still like to see where it is required. I suspect that the vast majority of RVs are given airworthiness inspection by DARs that are more familiar with what is and isn't required. Tail cone static ports are not exposed to impact in flight icing. Now some aircraft that have a single static port forward of the wing might have an issue, like some Cessnas. Perhaps it is a good question to pose to EAA. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:06 AM, C.R. Usery <drrx60@yahoo.com> wrote: > Kelly, > > You may be right on the requirements but I just had the Seattle MIDO come > and inspect my RV-10 and on the list of items they wanted to see was the > Alternate Static Source. > > Since I had this installed we did not discuss if it was optional/required. > Just wanted all to know that these FAA inspectors were looking for it. > > Charles Usery > N719PD > > Do not Archive > >


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    Time: 09:54:07 AM PST US
    From: "Bob and Karen Brown" <bkbrown@minetfiber.com>
    Subject: induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300
    Anyone have any thoughts on "best" induction setup? James Cowl is out, we're gonna modify what we have, just looking for induction systems. Near as I can tell, there's not many options for this setup. Bob Brown 40871 Do not Archive


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    Time: 10:06:37 AM PST US
    From: <ricksked@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300
    Don McDonald used a Harmon Rocket cowl scoop on his intake, looks pretty cool. He may be your best alternative method to the James Cowl. Rick S. N246RS ---- Bob and Karen Brown <bkbrown@minetfiber.com> wrote: > Anyone have any thoughts on "best" induction setup? James Cowl is out, > we're gonna modify what we have, just looking for induction systems. Near > as I can tell, there's not many options for this setup. > > > > > > Bob Brown > > 40871 > > Do not Archive > > > > >


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    Time: 10:23:05 AM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
    Kelly McMullen wrote: > I appreciate the data point. I think we all know that FAA inspectors are > not very familiar with OBAM requirements. Has been discussed many times > that there is no IFR certification of OBAM aircraft. I've been researching IFR use of non-TSOd equipment and am just as confused as when I started out. I believe that even if you are OBAM, you are still subject to a transponder/altimeter certification every two years. > I'd still like to see where it is required. I don't think an alternate static port (in the cabin, as it were) is a requirement. I also don't think it's on the list of the things a DAR is supposed to look for. > I suspect that the vast majority of RVs are given airworthiness > inspection by DARs that are more familiar with what is and isn't > required. Tail cone static ports are not exposed to impact in flight > icing. Now some aircraft that have a single static port forward of the > wing might have an issue, like some Cessnas. Perhaps it is a good > question to pose to EAA. EAA has a package just for this purpose. It outlines what you need. It doesn't, AFAIK, say what you DON'T need. I've known DARs that just ask questions .... because they think these things need to be there ...... and if there isn't an answer that they like they SUGGEST that you add the widget. I've not heard of a DAR failing an inspection because the item in question wasn't there or on the list of required widgets. YMMV Linn > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:06 AM, C.R. Usery <drrx60@yahoo.com > <mailto:drrx60@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > Kelly, > > You may be right on the requirements but I just had the Seattle MIDO > come and inspect my RV-10 and on the list of items they wanted to > see was the Alternate Static Source. > > Since I had this installed we did not discuss if it was > optional/required. Just wanted all to know that these FAA inspectors > were looking for it. > > Charles Usery > N719PD > > Do not Archive > > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 10:48:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
    From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
    Now that I think about it, I don't think there is even a requirement for Alternate Static even on the certified airplanes. I may be talking about something I don't know much about, so there is my disclaimer. But OBAM aircraft flown IFR have to meet the same standards as certified IFR airplanes. This is done by the DAR through some creative finger pointing that says something to the effect of, "After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with part 91.205. this aircraft is to be operated under day VFR." That means your airplane is a VFR/day aircraft and if you want it to be anything more than VFR/day, it must comply with the minimum equipment listed in 91.205. 91.205 outlines the light requirements for night operations and the instrument requirements for IFR operations. At no point in 91.205 does it make a reference to alternate static air. But for what it's worth, I'm installing a Clippard valve in mine. Phil -----Original Message----- From: Linn Walters [mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> Kelly McMullen wrote: > I appreciate the data point. I think we all know that FAA inspectors are > not very familiar with OBAM requirements. Has been discussed many times > that there is no IFR certification of OBAM aircraft. I've been researching IFR use of non-TSOd equipment and am just as confused as when I started out. I believe that even if you are OBAM, you are still subject to a transponder/altimeter certification every two years. > I'd still like to see where it is required. I don't think an alternate static port (in the cabin, as it were) is a requirement. I also don't think it's on the list of the things a DAR is supposed to look for. > I suspect that the vast majority of RVs are given airworthiness > inspection by DARs that are more familiar with what is and isn't > required. Tail cone static ports are not exposed to impact in flight > icing. Now some aircraft that have a single static port forward of the > wing might have an issue, like some Cessnas. Perhaps it is a good > question to pose to EAA. EAA has a package just for this purpose. It outlines what you need. It doesn't, AFAIK, say what you DON'T need. I've known DARs that just ask questions .... because they think these things need to be there ...... and if there isn't an answer that they like they SUGGEST that you add the widget. I've not heard of a DAR failing an inspection because the item in question wasn't there or on the list of required widgets. YMMV Linn > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:06 AM, C.R. Usery <drrx60@yahoo.com > <mailto:drrx60@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > Kelly, > > You may be right on the requirements but I just had the Seattle MIDO > come and inspect my RV-10 and on the list of items they wanted to > see was the Alternate Static Source. > > Since I had this installed we did not discuss if it was > optional/required. Just wanted all to know that these FAA inspectors > were looking for it. > > Charles Usery > N719PD > > Do not Archive > > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 10:51:15 AM PST US
    From: "John Strain" <aircarepros@yahoo.com>
    Subject: induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300
    You might look into the front baffle system offered by RDD. It is not inducted, but it gets rid of the cobbled mess of aluminum odd angles and difficult leak detection. There are a few of these out now so there should be good data on cooling capability. The website is www.rddent.com. It is listed under products From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: RV10-List: induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300 Anyone have any thoughts on "best" induction setup? James Cowl is out, we're gonna modify what we have, just looking for induction systems. Near as I can tell, there's not many options for this setup. Bob Brown 40871 Do not Archive


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    Time: 01:20:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
    From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
    Yes, transponder and encoder have to meet TSO standards. Encoder may not be too difficult through FAR 43 Appendix E, but transponder pretty much will have to have TSO. GPS for IFR has to meet TSO requirements. Altimeter has to meet same requirements as encoder. Most other instruments like airspeed and gyros are at your discretion as the builder. As long as you can fly the assigned clearance accurately with the instruments you install, I believe you are okay. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> I appreciate the data point. I think we all know that FAA inspectors are >> not very familiar with OBAM requirements. Has been discussed many times that >> there is no IFR certification of OBAM aircraft. > > I've been researching IFR use of non-TSOd equipment and am just as confused > as when I started out. I believe that even if you are OBAM, you are still > subject to a transponder/altimeter certification every two years.


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    Time: 02:23:29 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300
    Take a look at Rod Bower's products. He now has a bottom cowl scoop for the RV-10. You can get horizontal induction with the standard Van's cowl. http://www.ramairforhomebuilts.com Also, check out Deem's site for some photos, although he has a highly customized James cowl. I think Rod learned quite a bit from Deem's installation. Bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:53 PM Subject: RV10-List: induction setup for Barrett Cold Air Sump/AFP FM-300 Anyone have any thoughts on "best" induction setup? James Cowl is out, we're gonna modify what we have, just looking for induction systems. Near as I can tell, there's not many options for this setup. Bob Brown 40871 Do not Archive


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    Time: 05:27:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: do I need a transponder?
    From: "N777TY" <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
    Yes, you need it.. No plans to get rid of transponders any time soon.. even when you get your ADS-B equipment, the transponder will be required as a backup... Of course, eventually that will change, but I don't see it being done any time soon (like no sooner than 15-20 years). -------- RV-7A N777TY Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295040#295040


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    Time: 06:49:14 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?
    Dear Listers, I'm working with the local FSDO this week and had my airframe inspection on Monday will get my sign-off this Friday if all goes well. Looking over the requirements for IFR, it appears that I've got everything I need as far as equipment is concerned. I have a Garmin SL-30 for Com/Nav and a Garmin GTX-327 for Mode C transponder. All of the other equipment and functionality is provided by the GRT Horizon HX sytems including the encoder, attitude, airspeed, altitude, compass, etc, etc. I do not have any steam gauges or other flight instruments other than what is provided by GRT through an HX installation. My question is can my RV-8 be approved for IFR flight with this compliment of GRT HX specific instrumentation? Or, would I need to have a TSO'd encoder and/or other TSO'd pieces such as rate-of-turn, slip, sensitive altimeter, artificial horizon, direction gyro, etc? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight


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    Time: 07:02:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?
    From: "Kellym" <kellym@aviating.com>
    You do NOT need to worry about this for your airframe inspection. You will only get approved for Day VFR and only need to meet Day VFR requirements. There is NO such thing as IFR certification of an OBAM aircraft. You will get operating limitations restricting you to day VFR for Phase one, and then state for night VFR and IFR you have to comply with the requirements of 91.205. You won't find any TSO requirements there. The only requirements for TSO are found in other parts, such as the transponder, which for all practical purposes must be TSO. Your Altimeter and encoder will need to meet the TSO requirements, but you can have a competent avionics shop certify your altimeter, encoder and static system, as well as the required transponder check all in one operation. TSO equimpent, with the exceptions above is only required for Part 135 and similar for hire parts. [quote="Matt Dralle"]Dear Listers, I'm working with the local FSDO this week and had my airframe inspection on Monday will get my sign-off this Friday if all goes well. My question is can my RV-8 be approved for IFR flight with this compliment of GRT HX specific instrumentation? Or, would I need to have a TSO'd encoder and/or other TSO'd pieces such as rate-of-turn, slip, sensitive altimeter, artificial horizon, direction gyro, etc? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV -------- Kelly McMullen A&amp;P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 KCHD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295050#295050


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    Time: 08:10:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    Matt, Yes, I think you're okay; but with the irony that you won't be able to get home to KLVK in ifr. There are only 2 approaches into KLVK; a GPS approach, which requires an ifr TSO certified gps; and an ILS, which in Livermore's case, also requires an ADF (or you can sub an ifr approved gps). PS What hangar are you in? I'm in 311. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295052#295052


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    Time: 08:11:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    Matt, Also, it wasn't clear to me: if the GRT goes belly up, do you have any backup instruments? Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295053#295053


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    Time: 08:20:31 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Re: TSO'd Instrumentation For IFR?
    Yes, I've got dual AHRSs, Magnetometers, GPSs, and triple HX displays. I also have a completely redundant and independent power source for the primary HX Display/ARHS/Magnetometer/GPS/SL-30 in case the Vertical Power VP-200 dies. Matt At 08:11 PM 4/20/2010 Tuesday, you wrote: > >Matt, > >Also, it wasn't clear to me: if the GRT goes belly up, do you have any backup instruments? > >Bob > >-------- >Bob Turner >RV-10 QB Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft


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    Time: 08:53:06 PM PST US
    From: "DLM" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
    It is possible to include a Curtiss valve inside the aircraft that will be opened in the event of a static port icing. I was reminded of this when taxiing to the wash ramp at FFZ. my airspeed read 32 KIAS while taxiing with the static ports taped and pitot cover in place. The EFIS then showed zero when opening the panel valve. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... I appreciate the data point. I think we all know that FAA inspectors are not very familiar with OBAM requirements. Has been discussed many times that there is no IFR certification of OBAM aircraft. I'd still like to see where it is required. I suspect that the vast majority of RVs are given airworthiness inspection by DARs that are more familiar with what is and isn't required. Tail cone static ports are not exposed to impact in flight icing. Now some aircraft that have a single static port forward of the wing might have an issue, like some Cessnas. Perhaps it is a good question to pose to EAA. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:06 AM, C.R. Usery <drrx60@yahoo.com> wrote: Kelly, You may be right on the requirements but I just had the Seattle MIDO come and inspect my RV-10 and on the list of items they wanted to see was the Alternate Static Source. Since I had this installed we did not discuss if it was optional/required. Just wanted all to know that these FAA inspectors were looking for it. Charles Usery N719PD Do not Archive


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    Time: 08:56:58 PM PST US
    From: "DLM" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
    check this valve to the left of the Cheltons. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting... I appreciate the data point. I think we all know that FAA inspectors are not very familiar with OBAM requirements. Has been discussed many times that there is no IFR certification of OBAM aircraft. I'd still like to see where it is required. I suspect that the vast majority of RVs are given airworthiness inspection by DARs that are more familiar with what is and isn't required. Tail cone static ports are not exposed to impact in flight icing. Now some aircraft that have a single static port forward of the wing might have an issue, like some Cessnas. Perhaps it is a good question to pose to EAA. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:06 AM, C.R. Usery <drrx60@yahoo.com> wrote: Kelly, You may be right on the requirements but I just had the Seattle MIDO come and inspect my RV-10 and on the list of items they wanted to see was the Alternate Static Source. Since I had this installed we did not discuss if it was optional/required. Just wanted all to know that these FAA inspectors were looking for it. Charles Usery N719PD Do not Archive


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    Time: 09:20:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Check Valve For Static System Cabin Venting...
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