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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Re: cover or paint screws (Don McDonald)
2. 04:23 AM - Re: cover or paint screws (Jesse Saint)
3. 04:38 AM - Andair Fuel Valve (Rob Kermanj)
4. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: N998RV Signed Off! (Michael Kraus)
5. 09:52 AM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve (Jeff Carpenter)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: N998RV Signed Off! (Bob Turner)
7. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: N998RV Signed Off! (Dj Merrill)
8. 01:47 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve (Bob Leffler)
9. 02:12 PM - WTB: RV-10 tail kit (N777TY)
10. 02:42 PM - Re: WTB: RV-10 tail kit (g.combs)
11. 02:56 PM - Re: WTB: RV-10 tail kit (Chris Klugewicz)
12. 03:06 PM - Re: Andair Fuel Valve (Sohrab Kermanj)
13. 04:00 PM - 569JC (DLM)
14. 04:12 PM - Re: 569JC (Perry, Phil)
15. 04:23 PM - Re: 569JC (Stein Bruch)
16. 04:33 PM - GRT XM weather (DLM)
17. 04:34 PM - Re: 569JC (Seano)
18. 04:40 PM - Re: 569JC (Linn Walters)
19. 04:42 PM - Re: 569JC (Sohrab Kermanj)
20. 04:46 PM - Re: 569JC (Perry, Phil)
21. 05:02 PM - Re: 569JC (Seano)
22. 05:10 PM - Re: 569JC (Perry, Phil)
23. 08:18 PM - Re: 569JC (Strasnuts)
24. 08:50 PM - aerosport overhead console (rvdave)
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| Subject: | Re: cover or paint screws |
If you're going to cover them up..... make sure those nice round heads of t
he countersunk screws are no longer nice and round when installed.... grind
the sides into a square.... less likely to spin when/if removal and reinsa
lling is necessary.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 4/22/10, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: cover or paint screws
Most are epoxying and painting over the screws. It is not a big deal, but i
t provides a more finished look. It is a bit iffy that the paint/epoxy hold
when/if the doors are removed and the bolts are re torqued.
This is a good opportunity to pound my drum to those novices in the build p
rocess to take a lot (I mean hundreds) of pictures from every angle of the
RV10's that you see when you go to OSH or sun-n-fun. Especially focus on pi
ctures under the cowl on these planes. Looking at these pictures will save
you much angst in the build process when you can visually see what others h
ave done.
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OSH '10 or Bust
Q/B - phase 1 / painting
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| Subject: | Re: cover or paint screws |
I'd probably cover the pin blocks, but not the screws holding the latch in place.
IMHO there's too much chance of removal on the latch mechanism screws. Also,
as was already suggested, you can remove the nuts in a pinch on the pin blocks
if you have secured the screws well enough, and possibly squared off the
head a little, but you have to remove the door handle with the screws.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 22, 2010, at 9:05 PM, rvdave wrote:
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> Prepping doors after getting seals and pins fit, now wondering whether to cover
screws, should I assume never needing to remove door handles and pin blocks,
or is there reason to believe I will need to at some point remove the screws?
I realize though that the screws do not take and hold paint well and think
a smooth door would look better. I don't recall looking that close at other 10s
to see what others are doing. Any opinions?
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> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve |
Hello All,
Has anyone installed an Andair fuel valve on the 10 without extensions or modifications?
If so, what is the model number? Thanks.
Rob
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| Subject: | Re: N998RV Signed Off! |
In Michigan, you have to file 6 months in advance.... Really..... 6
months
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:30 AM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
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> At 09:10 PM 4/22/2010 Thursday, you wrote:
>> <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>>
>> Congrats, Matt.
>> How far ahead did you schedule with the FSDO?
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>
>
> I put the paperwork in the mail on Thursday and it was signed off
> the next Thursday. Really. 7 days.
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: Final Bits/Inspection/Test Flight
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve |
Hi Rob,
I installed Andair Valve 20X7T as it came from Vans at the top of the
tunnel cover. It took some careful tube bending to route the scat
under the valve.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Apr 23, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
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> Hello All,
>
> Has anyone installed an Andair fuel valve on the 10 without
> extensions or modifications? If so, what is the model number?
> Thanks.
>
> Rob
>
> Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: N998RV Signed Off! |
Wow! When I was at the OAK FSDO last September they told me to give them 6 months
notice to schedule the inspection. I guess they're not as busy as they thought.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: N998RV Signed Off! |
On 04/23/2010 01:31 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
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> Wow! When I was at the OAK FSDO last September they told me to give them 6 months
notice to schedule the inspection. I guess they're not as busy as they thought.
Matt probably runs their mail server... *wink*
-Dj
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Valve |
I used the FS20x7m. I ordered the 12" extension, then cut it down to about
three inches. This is what you'll need if you use the current location for
the fuel valve per plans. I don't know when Van's moved the location of
the valve. I got my fuse kit about 14 months ago. The new elbow fittings
look like you can get even more flexibility.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve
Hello All,
Has anyone installed an Andair fuel valve on the 10 without extensions or
modifications? If so, what is the model number? Thanks.
Rob
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| Subject: | WTB: RV-10 tail kit |
It's time to start building a family hauler :)
I'm looking for an RV-10 tail kit. The closer to Charlotte, NC the better.
Looking for one with as little work done as possible, but will consider all options.
Let me know what you have.... and we can go from there.
email: vitez (at) carolina (dot) rr (dot) com
PS. Another option, just to throw it out there, is that I'd be interested in trading
my RV-7A (flying, painted, glass panel, ~270TT) for an RV-10 kit that's
coming up closer to completion.. If someone's looking to downsize.. well, I'm
looking to upsize to fit my recently expanded family..
Thanks!
Radomir
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RV-7A
N777TY
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| Subject: | Re: WTB: RV-10 tail kit |
I have a 95 % complete one. It is very nice.
Asking 3700.00. I can send photos
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone Geoff
On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:11 PM, "N777TY" <microsmurfer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> It's time to start building a family hauler :)
>
> I'm looking for an RV-10 tail kit. The closer to Charlotte, NC the
> better.
>
> Looking for one with as little work done as possible, but will
> consider all options.
>
>
> Let me know what you have.... and we can go from there.
>
> email: vitez (at) carolina (dot) rr (dot) com
>
>
> PS. Another option, just to throw it out there, is that I'd be
> interested in trading my RV-7A (flying, painted, glass panel,
> ~270TT) for an RV-10 kit that's coming up closer to completion..
> If someone's looking to downsize.. well, I'm looking to upsize to
> fit my recently expanded family..
>
>
> Thanks!
> Radomir
>
> --------
> RV-7A
> N777TY
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| Subject: | WTB: RV-10 tail kit |
I have one that is about 60-70% complete (the portions done were completed during
the Alexander Technical Center workshop a year ago, so they have been double-checked
by an expert). I'm in Johnson City, Tennessee, about 3 hours from Charlotte.
As a plus, the pieces are still crated from their trip back from Georgia
last summer.
Plans have changed, and I'm not going to be able to continue building anytime soon,
so I'm going to have to part with the dream for now.
-- Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: "N777TY" <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:11pm
Subject: RV10-List: WTB: RV-10 tail kit
It's time to start building a family hauler :)
I'm looking for an RV-10 tail kit. The closer to Charlotte, NC the better.
Looking for one with as little work done as possible, but will consider all options.
Let me know what you have.... and we can go from there.
email: vitez (at) carolina (dot) rr (dot) com
PS. Another option, just to throw it out there, is that I'd be interested in trading
my RV-7A (flying, painted, glass panel, ~270TT) for an RV-10 kit that's
coming up closer to completion.. If someone's looking to downsize.. well, I'm
looking to upsize to fit my recently expanded family..
Thanks!
Radomir
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RV-7A
N777TY
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Fuel Valve |
Thanks for the info.
Rob
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On Apr 23, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
>
> I used the FS20x7m. I ordered the 12" extension, then cut it down to about
> three inches. This is what you'll need if you use the current location for
> the fuel valve per plans. I don't know when Van's moved the location of
> the valve. I got my fuse kit about 14 months ago. The new elbow fittings
> look like you can get even more flexibility.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Andair Fuel Valve
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Has anyone installed an Andair fuel valve on the 10 without extensions or
> modifications? If so, what is the model number? Thanks.
>
> Rob
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Anyone know the story yet?
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Here you go............
See Below
Phil
Today I got lucky, real lucky.
3 Months ago to the day our RV-10 was signed off from a Kit to an
Airplane, today it experienced its first and hopefully last engine
failure. With 58 hours on the Hobbs she had until this point been the
best 4 place airplane I've ever flown.
I had flown some friends from Pearland TX over to Victoria so they could
pick up their motor home. A very non-eventful flight, a little bumpy VFR
down at 2000 AGL, but an overcast layer prevented any higher. Once there
I decided that I would file IFR for the flight back, get on top and
enjoy some tailwinds.
I left Victoria, climbed to 7000 and enjoyed some much needed sunlight.
Houston Center was their normal cheerful self; all in all, life was
good. I was cleared down to 4000, as luck would have the Overcast layer
had also dropped a few thousand feet so I remained on Top... wow so
nice, still don't have to be in the clunk! Center switched me to
Approach, we agreed upon the GPS approach back to Pearland, and I was
cleared to the IAF. Up until this point everything was absolutely great!
I started my decent out of 4, down to 3000 going direct the IAF... At
3400 ft, that's when the adrenalin started pumping. Now I'll be honest,
I don't' know if I heard the prop fluctuate or not, but something got my
attention. I did a quick engine check and saw that EGT's where high...
very very high. I knew immediately I had a problem, but I had no idea
just how bad the problem was. Training kicked in and Mixture to rich,
boost pump on, tank switch. The EGT's came down, but they didn't stop
coming down. When I saw them drop below 200 or so, and I was getting no
reaction what-so-ever from the throttle... Well, Houston We Have A
Problem.
I declared the Emergency... If you ever want to hear a frequency go
totally quiet, just use those words. Informed Approach of a total power
failure and requested vectors to the nearest airport. Houston Approach
was for the most part absolutely wonderful. Without missing a beat they
informed me that Brazoria was 7'Oclock and 5 miles. I IMMEDIATELY
started the turn and realized that with my now wonderful tailwind turned
headwind, there was no way I was going to make it.
Let me back up just a bit... All this is happing IMC. I entered the
overcast layer at about 3800 FT, bases are reported anywhere between
1000-1500 depending on which ASOS you listen to.
Continuing on.... Not going to make Brazoria, I know I have to do
something. Glancing at my EFIS Map I see that =BE a mile away is a
private strip that Center probably didn't even know existed. I turn
directly at that airport (7R9), informed Approach where I was going,
then I waited, and waited, and waited.... Not much else I could think to
do at the time. Still IMC. Engine Out. I didn't really think I'd be in
this situation, ever.
=BC mile from the airport, at 1300 ft I break out. Guys & Gals, I
haven't been so happy to see a perfectly mowed grass strip in my life! A
quick turn away to burn Airspeed and Altitude, slip to final, and down
we come. The landing went perfect, it was downwind. I didn't care, the
airplane didn't care. The prop finally quit windmilling in the flair,
telling me that it really was dead, as if I didn't know.
I managed to get us (me and the plane) on the ground, unhurt, out of
that situation. Is it all skill, well I'd like to think so... but I know
better! I got lucky, very lucky.
What went wrong? The short version: a fuel line broke.
The long version: During final assembly it came to my attention that
people with the Fuel Flow transducer in the "Tunnel" where experiencing
FF fluctuation when using the electric pump. The fix? Move the FF
Transducer to between the Fuel Injection Servo and the Spider. Well,
that's what I did. When I relocated the Transducer I had to fabricate a
line between the Servo and the Transducer. The line I fabricated was =BC
inch aluminum, that was the flaw. That line broke just outside the
fitting. When I made that line I made sure it wasn't under any stress,
in a natural position, etc. Apparently that was not enough. Now, I will
say this. This was the one component of the airplane I was never quite
happy with. It just "didn't look right". I had some other builders take
a look, half heartedly hoping they would tell me that aluminum was bad
and I should change it, but no one did. So it stayed, and worked fine
for 58 hours.
I blame no one but myself for what happened. A part of me knew that that
line wasn't right, yet I talked myself into believing it was fine. Don't
ever short change your gut... most of the time its got good instincts!
She's now grounded, awaiting Stainless Tubing so I can make the fuel
like the way I originally envisioned. Parts should be here next week,
and the adventure will continue.
Now comes the part where I'd like to thank the people that helped me
stay alive today!
First my Father, Kirk. You see, I started flying Ultralights at 14, and
it was he who preached at me to practice engine outs. They where 2
strokes, and it wasn't "if" they would quit, it was "when". I never lost
an engine flying Ultralights, but I sure practiced.
My Flight Instructors. All you guys (and there has been a few..) who
would randomly pull power, then say "Now what?"
Rob Hickman and the entire crew at Advanced Flight Systems. Without
those awesome EFIS's (and I really do mean awesome) I probably would
have never known that the airport I landed at was there. It didn't show
up on the 430, Approach didn't know, and I was stuck IMC. And the data
logging.. wow. I poured over every second of that flight to find out
when exactly I converted from ASEL to Glider... Having that data is
invaluable.
John Cram (build partner) and Rick Carr for selfless gathering their own
tools and driving to my rescue. With their help we where able to
fabricate a new fuel line ferry the airplane the 22 miles home.
The entire group of local airport bums that showed up to offer a helping
hand. I only wish I could remember each and everyone's name, but that is
not my strong suit. I owe all of you at least a beer!
Last but not least... Brazoria County Constables and Sheriff's (no less
than 5) who showed up, lights and sirens agoin, to come to my rescue.
Thankfully I didn't need it, but it sure is nice to know that help is on
the way.
In case anyone wants to know how fast this happens. Total time from Me
turning on the Fuel Pump to wheels on the ground: 2 Minutes 46 seconds.
From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 569JC
Anyone know the story yet?
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http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=57122
Cheers,
Stein
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 569JC
Anyone know the story yet?
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Just removed a GRT processor, an XM receiver. XM antenna and harness from my
RV10. I am going the ADSB route. Anyone interested in the old equipment ,
please
contact me directly by email. $600.
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Awesome story! Great job getting down in one piece. Thanks for
sharing.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 23, 2010, at 17:10, "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> wrote:
> Here you go
>
> See Below
>
>
> Phil
>
>
> Today I got lucky, real lucky.
>
> 3 Months ago to the day our RV-10 was signed off from a Kit to an
> Airplane, today it experienced its first and hopefully last engine
> failure. With 58 hours on the Hobbs she had until this point been
> the best 4 place airplane I=99ve ever flown.
>
> I had flown some friends from Pearland TX over to Victoria so they
> could pick up their motor home. A very non-eventful flight, a little
> bumpy VFR down at 2000 AGL, but an overcast layer prevented any
> higher. Once there I decided that I would file IFR for the flight
> back, get on top and enjoy some tailwinds.
>
> I left Victoria, climbed to 7000 and enjoyed some much needed
> sunlight. Houston Center was their normal cheerful self; all in all,
> life was good. I was cleared down to 4000, as luck would have the
> Overcast layer had also dropped a few thousand feet so I remained on
> Top wow so nice, still don=99t have to be in the clunk!
Center
> switched me to Approach, we agreed upon the GPS approach back to Pea
> rland, and I was cleared to the IAF. Up until this point everything
> was absolutely great!
>
> I started my decent out of 4, down to 3000 going direct the IAF
At
> 3400 ft, that=99s when the adrenalin started pumping. Now I=99
ll be
> honest, I don=99t=99 know if I heard the prop fluctuate or
not, but
> something got my attention. I did a quick engine check and saw that
> EGT=99s where high very very high. I knew immediately I
had a
> problem, but I had no idea just how bad the problem was. Training ki
> cked in and Mixture to rich, boost pump on, tank switch. The EGT=99
s c
> ame down, but they didn=99t stop coming down. When I saw them
drop bel
> ow 200 or so, and I was getting no reaction what-so-ever from the th
> rottle Well, Houston We Have A Problem.
>
> I declared the Emergency If you ever want to hear a frequency
go to
> tally quiet, just use those words. Informed Approach of a total powe
> r failure and requested vectors to the nearest airport. Houston Appr
> oach was for the most part absolutely wonderful. Without missing a b
> eat they informed me that Brazoria was 7=99Oclock and 5 miles. I
IMMED
> IATELY started the turn and realized that with my now wonderful tail
> wind turned headwind, there was no way I was going to make it.
>
> Let me back up just a bit All this is happing IMC. I entered
the ov
> ercast layer at about 3800 FT, bases are reported anywhere between 1
> 000-1500 depending on which ASOS you listen to.
>
> Continuing on. Not going to make Brazoria, I know I have to
do some
> thing. Glancing at my EFIS Map I see that =C2=BE a mile away is a
private
> strip that Center probably didn=99t even know existed. I turn
directl
> y at that airport (7R9), informed Approach where I was going, then I
> waited, and waited, and waited. Not much else I could think
to do
> at the time. Still IMC. Engine Out. I didn=99t really think
I=99d be
> in this situation, ever.
>
> =C2=BC mile from the airport, at 1300 ft I break out. Guys & Gals, I
have
> n=99t been so happy to see a perfectly mowed grass strip in my
life! A
> quick turn away to burn Airspeed and Altitude, slip to final, and d
> own we come. The landing went perfect, it was downwind. I didn=99t
car
> e, the airplane didn=99t care. The prop finally quit windmilling
in th
> e flair, telling me that it really was dead, as if I didn=99t
know.
>
> I managed to get us (me and the plane) on the ground, unhurt, out of
> that situation. Is it all skill, well I=99d like to think so
but I
> know better! I got lucky, very lucky.
>
>
> What went wrong? The short version: a fuel line broke.
>
> The long version: During final assembly it came to my attention that
> people with the Fuel Flow transducer in the =9CTunnel=9D
where
> experiencing FF fluctuation when using the electric pump. The fix? M
> ove the FF Transducer to between the Fuel Injection Servo and the Sp
> ider. Well, that=99s what I did. When I relocated the Transducer
I had
> to fabricate a line between the Servo and the Transducer. The line
> I fabricated was =C2=BC inch aluminum, that was the flaw. That line
broke
> just outside the fitting. When I made that line I made sure it wasn
> =99t under any stress, in a natural position, etc. Apparently
that was
> not enough. Now, I will say this. This was the one component of the
> airplane I was never quite happy with. It just =9Cdidn=99t
look
> right=9D. I had some other builders take a look, half heartedly
hoping
> they would tell me that aluminum was bad and I should change it, bu
> t no one did. So it stayed, and worked fine for 58 hours.
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> I blame no one but myself for what happened. A part of me knew that
> that line wasn=99t right, yet I talked myself into believing it
was fi
> ne. Don=99t ever short change your gut most of the time
its got
> good instincts!
>
> She=99s now grounded, awaiting Stainless Tubing so I can make
the fuel
> like the way I originally envisioned. Parts should be here next wee
> k, and the adventure will continue.
>
> Now comes the part where I=99d like to thank the people that
helped me
> stay alive today!
>
> First my Father, Kirk. You see, I started flying Ultralights at 14,
> and it was he who preached at me to practice engine outs. They where
> 2 strokes, and it wasn=99t =9Cif=9D they would quit,
it was
> =9Cwhen=9D. I never lost an engine flying Ultralights, but
I sure
> practiced.
>
> My Flight Instructors. All you guys (and there has been a few..) who
> would randomly pull power, then say =9CNow what?=9D
>
> Rob Hickman and the entire crew at Advanced Flight Systems. Without
> those awesome EFIS=99s (and I really do mean awesome) I probably
would
> have never known that the airport I landed at was there. It didn=99
t
> show up on the 430, Approach didn=99t know, and I was stuck IMC.
And t
> he data logging.. wow. I poured over every second of that flight to
> find out when exactly I converted from ASEL to Glider Having
that d
> ata is invaluable.
>
> John Cram (build partner) and Rick Carr for selfless gathering their
> own tools and driving to my rescue. With their help we where able to
> fabricate a new fuel line ferry the airplane the 22 miles home.
>
> The entire group of local airport bums that showed up to offer a
> helping hand. I only wish I could remember each and everyone=99s
name,
> but that is not my strong suit. I owe all of you at least a beer!
>
> Last but not least Brazoria County Constables and Sheriff
=99s (no
> less than 5) who showed up, lights and sirens agoin, to come to my r
> escue. Thankfully I didn=99t need it, but it sure is nice to
know that
> help is on the way.
>
> In case anyone wants to know how fast this happens. Total time from
> Me turning on the Fuel Pump to wheels on the ground: 2 Minutes 46
> seconds.
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
> <image003.jpg>
>
>
> From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:57 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: 569JC
>
>
> Anyone know the story yet?
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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Perry, Phil wrote:
> Today I got lucky, real lucky.
Awesome job Phil!
I've had 3 off-field landings ..... two engine related and one was
precautionary for fuel ..... which leaked from a hole in a hard line.
On all occasions, I was snatched from harm by the thousands of angels on
my shoulders. No skill involved!
And declaring an emergency (another flight after the fuel leak .... I
didn't find it after the 'warning') was the easiest thing I ever did!!!
Linn
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What a story! Thank goodness for the ending. You are now a better
pilot because of it.
Do not archive.
On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Perry, Phil wrote:
> Here you go=85=85=85=85
> See Below
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Today I got lucky, real lucky.
>
> 3 Months ago to the day our RV-10 was signed off from a Kit to an
Airplane, today it experienced its first and hopefully last engine
failure. With 58 hours on the Hobbs she had until this point been the
best 4 place airplane I=92ve ever flown.
>
> I had flown some friends from Pearland TX over to Victoria so they
could pick up their motor home. A very non-eventful flight, a little
bumpy VFR down at 2000 AGL, but an overcast layer prevented any higher.
Once there I decided that I would file IFR for the flight back, get on
top and enjoy some tailwinds.
>
> I left Victoria, climbed to 7000 and enjoyed some much needed
sunlight. Houston Center was their normal cheerful self; all in all,
life was good. I was cleared down to 4000, as luck would have the
Overcast layer had also dropped a few thousand feet so I remained on
Top=85 wow so nice, still don=92t have to be in the clunk! Center
switched me to Approach, we agreed upon the GPS approach back to
Pearland, and I was cleared to the IAF. Up until this point everything
was absolutely great!
>
> I started my decent out of 4, down to 3000 going direct the IAF=85 At
3400 ft, that=92s when the adrenalin started pumping. Now I=92ll be
honest, I don=92t=92 know if I heard the prop fluctuate or not, but
something got my attention. I did a quick engine check and saw that
EGT=92s where high=85 very very high. I knew immediately I had a
problem, but I had no idea just how bad the problem was. Training kicked
in and Mixture to rich, boost pump on, tank switch. The EGT=92s came
down, but they didn=92t stop coming down. When I saw them drop below 200
or so, and I was getting no reaction what-so-ever from the throttle=85
Well, Houston We Have A Problem.
>
> I declared the Emergency=85 If you ever want to hear a frequency go
totally quiet, just use those words. Informed Approach of a total power
failure and requested vectors to the nearest airport. Houston Approach
was for the most part absolutely wonderful. Without missing a beat they
informed me that Brazoria was 7=92Oclock and 5 miles. I IMMEDIATELY
started the turn and realized that with my now wonderful tailwind turned
headwind, there was no way I was going to make it.
>
> Let me back up just a bit=85 All this is happing IMC. I entered the
overcast layer at about 3800 FT, bases are reported anywhere between
1000-1500 depending on which ASOS you listen to.
>
> Continuing on=85. Not going to make Brazoria, I know I have to do
something. Glancing at my EFIS Map I see that =BE a mile away is a
private strip that Center probably didn=92t even know existed. I turn
directly at that airport (7R9), informed Approach where I was going,
then I waited, and waited, and waited=85. Not much else I could think to
do at the time. Still IMC. Engine Out. I didn=92t really think I=92d be
in this situation, ever.
>
> =BC mile from the airport, at 1300 ft I break out. Guys & Gals, I
haven=92t been so happy to see a perfectly mowed grass strip in my life!
A quick turn away to burn Airspeed and Altitude, slip to final, and down
we come. The landing went perfect, it was downwind. I didn=92t care, the
airplane didn=92t care. The prop finally quit windmilling in the flair,
telling me that it really was dead, as if I didn=92t know.
>
> I managed to get us (me and the plane) on the ground, unhurt, out of
that situation. Is it all skill, well I=92d like to think so=85 but I
know better! I got lucky, very lucky.
>
>
> What went wrong? The short version: a fuel line broke.
>
> The long version: During final assembly it came to my attention that
people with the Fuel Flow transducer in the =93Tunnel=94 where
experiencing FF fluctuation when using the electric pump. The fix? Move
the FF Transducer to between the Fuel Injection Servo and the Spider.
Well, that=92s what I did. When I relocated the Transducer I had to
fabricate a line between the Servo and the Transducer. The line I
fabricated was =BC inch aluminum, that was the flaw. That line broke
just outside the fitting. When I made that line I made sure it wasn=92t
under any stress, in a natural position, etc. Apparently that was not
enough. Now, I will say this. This was the one component of the airplane
I was never quite happy with. It just =93didn=92t look right=94. I had
some other builders take a look, half heartedly hoping they would tell
me that aluminum was bad and I should change it, but no one did. So it
stayed, and worked fine for 58 hours.
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> I blame no one but myself for what happened. A part of me knew that
that line wasn=92t right, yet I talked myself into believing it was
fine. Don=92t ever short change your gut=85 most of the time its got
good instincts!
>
> She=92s now grounded, awaiting Stainless Tubing so I can make the fuel
like the way I originally envisioned. Parts should be here next week,
and the adventure will continue.
>
> Now comes the part where I=92d like to thank the people that helped me
stay alive today!
>
> First my Father, Kirk. You see, I started flying Ultralights at 14,
and it was he who preached at me to practice engine outs. They where 2
strokes, and it wasn=92t =93if=94 they would quit, it was =93when=94. I
never lost an engine flying Ultralights, but I sure practiced.
>
> My Flight Instructors. All you guys (and there has been a few..) who
would randomly pull power, then say =93Now what?=94
>
> Rob Hickman and the entire crew at Advanced Flight Systems. Without
those awesome EFIS=92s (and I really do mean awesome) I probably would
have never known that the airport I landed at was there. It didn=92t
show up on the 430, Approach didn=92t know, and I was stuck IMC. And the
data logging.. wow. I poured over every second of that flight to find
out when exactly I converted from ASEL to Glider=85 Having that data is
invaluable.
>
> John Cram (build partner) and Rick Carr for selfless gathering their
own tools and driving to my rescue. With their help we where able to
fabricate a new fuel line ferry the airplane the 22 miles home.
>
> The entire group of local airport bums that showed up to offer a
helping hand. I only wish I could remember each and everyone=92s name,
but that is not my strong suit. I owe all of you at least a beer!
>
> Last but not least=85 Brazoria County Constables and Sheriff=92s (no
less than 5) who showed up, lights and sirens agoin, to come to my
rescue. Thankfully I didn=92t need it, but it sure is nice to know that
help is on the way.
>
> In case anyone wants to know how fast this happens. Total time from Me
turning on the Fuel Pump to wheels on the ground: 2 Minutes 46 seconds.
>
> <image002.jpg>
>
> <image003.jpg>
>
> From: DLM [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:57 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: 569JC
>
> Anyone know the story yet?
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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That was not me!! Mine won't fly any further than I can throw it. :)
That was a copy and paste from the VAF posting. I should have made that
more clear.
Sorry about that,
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Linn Walters [mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 569JC
<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Perry, Phil wrote:
> Today I got lucky, real lucky.
Awesome job Phil!
I've had 3 off-field landings ..... two engine related and one was
precautionary for fuel ..... which leaked from a hole in a hard line.
On all occasions, I was snatched from harm by the thousands of angels on
my shoulders. No skill involved!
And declaring an emergency (another flight after the fuel leak .... I
didn't find it after the 'warning') was the easiest thing I ever did!!!
Linn
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I take back all that nice stuff I said;)
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 23, 2010, at 17:46, "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> wrote:
>
> That was not me!! Mine won't fly any further than I can throw it. :)
>
> That was a copy and paste from the VAF posting. I should have made
> that
> more clear.
>
> Sorry about that,
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linn Walters [mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 6:40 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: 569JC
>
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> Perry, Phil wrote:
>> Today I got lucky, real lucky.
>
> Awesome job Phil!
>
> I've had 3 off-field landings ..... two engine related and one was
> precautionary for fuel ..... which leaked from a hole in a hard line.
>
> On all occasions, I was snatched from harm by the thousands of
> angels on
>
> my shoulders. No skill involved!
>
> And declaring an emergency (another flight after the fuel leak .... I
> didn't find it after the 'warning') was the easiest thing I ever
> did!!!
> Linn
>
>
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Thanks Sean...
At least my dogs still like me. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Seano [mailto:sean@braunandco.com]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: 569JC
I take back all that nice stuff I said;)
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 23, 2010, at 17:46, "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com> wrote:
>
> That was not me!! Mine won't fly any further than I can throw it. :)
>
> That was a copy and paste from the VAF posting. I should have made
> that
> more clear.
>
> Sorry about that,
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linn Walters [mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 6:40 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: 569JC
>
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> Perry, Phil wrote:
>> Today I got lucky, real lucky.
>
> Awesome job Phil!
>
> I've had 3 off-field landings ..... two engine related and one was
> precautionary for fuel ..... which leaked from a hole in a hard line.
>
> On all occasions, I was snatched from harm by the thousands of
> angels on
>
> my shoulders. No skill involved!
>
> And declaring an emergency (another flight after the fuel leak .... I
> didn't find it after the 'warning') was the easiest thing I ever
> did!!!
> Linn
>
>
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Kind of cool to see the flightaware trip.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N569JC
--------
Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | aerosport overhead console |
Has anyone tried fitting the carbon fiber overhead to the green cabin vs the pink
that it was molded for? I don't know if there is any difference between the
pink and green?
--------
Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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