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Mon 05/03/10


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 05:46 AM - Re: Cushioned steel loop clamps (johngoodman)
     2. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: Cushioned steel loop clamps (Werner Schneider)
     3. 07:42 AM - WxWorx connector (Lenny Iszak)
     4. 10:12 AM - Re: WxWorx connector (Eric_Kallio)
     5. 03:02 PM - Re: WxWorx connector (DLM)
     6. 03:10 PM - antenna problems ()
     7. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: WxWorx connector (DLM)
     8. 03:52 PM - Re: WxWorx connector (Eric_Kallio)
     9. 05:00 PM - Re: antenna problems (Jesse Saint)
    10. 05:47 PM - Re: antenna problems (Kelly McMullen)
    11. 05:52 PM - Re: antenna problems (Carl Froehlich)
    12. 06:19 PM - OSH headquarters camping (DLM)
    13. 07:16 PM - Re: antenna problems (Bob Turner)
    14. 07:16 PM - Re: Before mounting engine (rleffler)
    15. 07:36 PM - Re: antenna problems (Jay Rowe)
    16. 08:28 PM - Re: WxWorx connector (Lenny Iszak)
    17. 08:29 PM - N998RV Flies - Teaser Shot! (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:46:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Cushioned steel loop clamps
    From: "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
    Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > Thanks Kelly that's exactly what I was looking for. > Spruce just sells clamps made out of aluminum. > > Michael Just out of curiosity, why isn't aluminum acceptable? If they look better, then I understand (g) John -------- #40572 QB. Working on Cowling &amp; Panel N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296575#296575


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    Time: 06:47:40 AM PST US
    From: Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
    Subject: Re: Cushioned steel loop clamps
    Engine compartment, steel holds a bit longer in case of a fire :) I guess Werner On 03.05.2010 14:40, johngoodman wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman"<johngoodman@earthlink.net> > > > Michael Wellenzohn wrote: >> Thanks Kelly that's exactly what I was looking for. >> Spruce just sells clamps made out of aluminum. >> >> Michael > > > Just out of curiosity, why isn't aluminum acceptable? If they look better, then I understand (g) > John > > -------- > #40572 QB. Working on Cowling&amp; Panel > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296575#296575 > >


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    Time: 07:42:18 AM PST US
    Subject: WxWorx connector
    From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
    Does anyone know who's the manufacturer of the power plug used on the XM receiver box? See attached picture. I'd like to use aircraft wire to hook it up instead of the wire they supply with the box. Thanks, Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296585#296585 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dc_power_supply_4b117b1278d85_173.jpg


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    Time: 10:12:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: WxWorx connector
    From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
    I don't know who makes it, but perhaps you can help me with a problem related to the connector I was about to post. In relationship to the 2-pin connector to the box, which pin is positive and which is negative? I'll spare the details, but I cut above where I marked the wires and haven't a clue which one goes where now that I am trying to wire it in. Ooops. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296592#296592


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    Time: 03:02:24 PM PST US
    From: "DLM" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: WxWorx connector
    If it's like the one I just sold it is a dc power plug. Looking at the picture the left box is the GRT processor; the right puck is the XM receiver. The connections are the antenna (pink), the data connection to the GRT processor, and the DC power plug. The ultimate power connections of the whole system is the red/black wires out of the Dsub on the GRT processor. This may help. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:36 AM Subject: RV10-List: WxWorx connector --> <lenard@rapiddecision.com> Does anyone know who's the manufacturer of the power plug used on the XM receiver box? See attached picture. I'd like to use aircraft wire to hook it up instead of the wire they supply with the box. Thanks, Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296585#296585 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dc_power_supply_4b117b1278d85_173.jpg


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    Time: 03:10:08 PM PST US
    From: <jfrjr@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: antenna problems
    Last week I indicated a problem of not receiving glide slope information on my SL-30 but was getting good localizer data, and the 430 was getting both loc and gs from the other ant. Both radios get the VOR stuff normally. I have switched the ant. leads and found that now the 430 isn't getting the gs (but still gets the loc) and the SL-30 gets both nicely. Thus I have an antenna problem but only in the frequency range of the glideslope (I think the gs freq. is much higher than the loc. freq.) So what gives? And more importantly what do I do? The ant. in question is in the port wing tip fastened to the lower aspect of the fiberglass fairing, and grounded to the wing skin (just like the other nicely functioning ant. in the other wing tip). The marker beacon ant. is also in that wing tip but fastened to the upper aspect of the fairing. Is there anyway that the mb ant is interfering? Thanks, Jay Rowe #40301


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    Time: 03:13:32 PM PST US
    From: "DLM" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: WxWorx connector
    Take your voltmeter and check continuity to the center whether it be male or female; that is the positive wire. The external metal is ground. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Eric_Kallio Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: WxWorx connector I don't know who makes it, but perhaps you can help me with a problem related to the connector I was about to post. In relationship to the 2-pin connector to the box, which pin is positive and which is negative? I'll spare the details, but I cut above where I marked the wires and haven't a clue which one goes where now that I am trying to wire it in. Ooops. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296592#296592


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    Time: 03:52:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: WxWorx connector
    From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
    My connector has the two pin plug as shown in Lenny's pic, however, the other end terminated in 16 ga. red and black wires with an in-line fuse. When cutting the wire to connect to the lead wires from my panel buss, I cut on the wrong side of my marks and can't tell which pin is the power wire. My WXWorx box is a single black box with a USB to the GRT screen, the antenna, and the power wire I cut. I have no diagrams from the manufacturer showing the pin identification, and I have been unable to contact any manufacturer that can/is willing to help. Looking at the end of the plug Lenny has, with the notch down, which wire is positive is what I need to determine. Eric Kallio Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296621#296621


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    Time: 05:00:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: antenna problems
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Do you have any connectors in the wing root? I would maybe try removing the MB antenna to see if that makes any difference, but my guess would be that either there is a no-so-great connection in one of the cables somewhere or there is a problem with the actual mounting of the antenna, or a problem with the antenna itself. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On May 3, 2010, at 3:54 PM, <jfrjr@roadrunner.com> <jfrjr@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > Last week I indicated a problem of not receiving glide slope information on my SL-30 but was getting good localizer data, and the 430 was getting both loc and gs from the other ant. Both radios get the VOR stuff normally. I have switched the ant. leads and found that now the 430 isn't getting the gs (but still gets the loc) and the SL-30 gets both nicely. Thus I have an antenna problem but only in the frequency range of the glideslope (I think the gs freq. is much higher than the loc. freq.) So what gives? And more importantly what do I do? The ant. in question is in the port wing tip fastened to the lower aspect of the fiberglass fairing, and grounded to the wing skin (just like the other nicely functioning ant. in the other wing tip). The marker beacon ant. is also in that wing tip but fastened to the upper aspect of the fairing. Is there anyway that the mb ant is interfering? Thanks, Jay Rowe #40301 > > > >


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    Time: 05:47:30 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: antenna problems
    Any chance the MB and VOR antenna cables got mixed up? I think MB antenna would sorta work for VOR/loc freqs, but not GS. > On May 3, 2010, at 3:54 PM,<jfrjr@roadrunner.com> <jfrjr@roadrunner.com> wrote: > > >> --> RV10-List message posted by:<jfrjr@roadrunner.com> >> >> Last week I indicated a problem of not receiving glide slope information on my SL-30 but was getting good localizer data, and the 430 was getting both loc and gs from the other ant. Both radios get the VOR stuff normally. I have switched the ant. leads and found that now the 430 isn't getting the gs (but still gets the loc) and the SL-30 gets both nicely. Thus I have an antenna problem but only in the frequency range of the glideslope (I think the gs freq. is much higher than the loc. freq.) So what gives? And more importantly what do I do? The ant. in question is in the port wing tip fastened to the lower aspect of the fiberglass fairing, and grounded to the wing skin (just like the other nicely functioning ant. in the other wing tip). The marker beacon ant. is also in that wing tip but fastened to the upper aspect of the fairing. Is there anyway that the mb ant is interfering? Thanks, Jay Rowe #40301 >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 05:52:59 PM PST US
    From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
    Subject: antenna problems
    Jay, Interesting problem. You are correct, Glide Slope is three times higher in frequency than VOR or LOC transmissions. Since antenna are resonate at odd multiples of operation frequencies, VOR/LOC antennas work just fine for Glide Slope. >From your note you point out the both VOR antennas are identical and mounted in similar fashions, one in each wingtip. As such both antennas must work - unless there is some other problem. Your note say both work at VOR frequencies. I wonder however if both work equally well at VOR frequencies. My guess is they don't. I would first look at the most common culprits for such things, the antenna connections or less frequent a bad run of coax (the coax perhaps damaged on installation). The best way to do this is with an antenna analyzer. Most amateur radio operators have one. You might try the local ham radio club. Someone will jump at the chance to help. Here is a standard analyzer that will do anything you need: http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-249B My thinking is the problem is not so bad that you do not receive any VOR signals, but such problems tend to have more of an effect at the higher GS frequency. I would not suspect the MB antenna unless it is very close (a few inches) from the VOR antenna. Come to think about it, make sure your MB and VOR antenna leads are not swapped. A MB antenna will make a poor VOR antenna, but it will work with strong signals. Carl Froehlich RV-10 (systems install) RV-8A (525 hrs) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jfrjr@roadrunner.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: antenna problems Last week I indicated a problem of not receiving glide slope information on my SL-30 but was getting good localizer data, and the 430 was getting both loc and gs from the other ant. Both radios get the VOR stuff normally. I have switched the ant. leads and found that now the 430 isn't getting the gs (but still gets the loc) and the SL-30 gets both nicely. Thus I have an antenna problem but only in the frequency range of the glideslope (I think the gs freq. is much higher than the loc. freq.) So what gives? And more importantly what do I do? The ant. in question is in the port wing tip fastened to the lower aspect of the fiberglass fairing, and grounded to the wing skin (just like the other nicely functioning ant. in the other wing tip). The marker beacon ant. is also in that wing tip but fastened to the upper aspect of the fairing. Is there anyway that the mb ant is interfering? Thanks, Jay Rowe #40301


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    Time: 06:19:09 PM PST US
    From: "DLM" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: OSH headquarters camping
    It looks like we will be tent camping at RV10 headquarters sunday monday tuesday. There will be four of us (two fathers and sons). Anyone have room for a couple of two man tents for three nights? Also who is keeping the list of campers at RV10 headquarters?


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    Time: 07:16:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: antenna problems
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    This is a long shot - is it possible the GS is "shadowed" by the fuselage? The GS transmitting antenna is slightly offset from the runway, while the localizer is off the far end. Easy test: while on the ILS, swing the nose around 5 deg or so, to the right (if the problem antenna is on left side), see if that makes any difference. Otherwise, I'd make sure there are no GS/LOC splitters inadvertently in the line from that antenna. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296644#296644


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    Time: 07:16:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Before mounting engine
    From: "rleffler" <rv@thelefflers.com>
    jayb wrote: > Riveting the cowl hinges before attaching the engine mount is a good idea as the mount gets in the way of several hinge rivets. By the time I realized this, the engine was already hung and it got interesting. > > I pulled FW wires after the engine on without problem. One advantage of doing it this way is that everything is known to be accessible after the fact. > > Attached forest of ground tabs to FW before engine on. > > Mounted LSE Electronic Ignition to aft side of FW before engine on. > > Install of air vent control cables after engine on doesn't look like fun as there's little clearance. I didn't have my cabin mounts done at the time, so I'll be the poster child for doing it backwards. > > Ran engine control cables after engine on without problem. Would have been easier beforehand though. > > Jay Jay, Do you have a photo of your firewall that you can share? I haven't installed the mount yet, but am looking to install the forest of tabs and the the fat cables this coming weekend. My concern is that I'll install them someplace where I wish I hadn't after the engine gets mounted. thanks, bob -------- Bob Leffler N410BL - Finish RV-10 #40684 http://mykitlog.com/rleffler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296645#296645


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    Time: 07:36:25 PM PST US
    From: Jay Rowe <jfrjr@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Re: antenna problems
    Thanks for the suggestions. I even talked to bob archer today. The problem, he thinks, is an "unhealthy" connection at the ant. I did not discuss the possibility of switching the mb and nav ants but that may be a possibility since the runs are side by each all the way. That will be very easy to check out. I'll have more info tomorrow. Jay Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote: > > Any chance the MB and VOR antenna cables got mixed up? > I think MB antenna would sorta work for VOR/loc freqs, but not GS. > > >> On May 3, 2010, at 3:54 PM,<jfrjr@roadrunner.com> <jfrjr@roadrunner.com >> > wrote: >> >> >>> --> RV10-List message posted by:<jfrjr@roadrunner.com> >>> >>> Last week I indicated a problem of not receiving glide slope >>> information on my SL-30 but was getting good localizer data, and >>> the 430 was getting both loc and gs from the other ant. Both >>> radios get the VOR stuff normally. I have switched the ant. leads >>> and found that now the 430 isn't getting the gs (but still gets >>> the loc) and the SL-30 gets both nicely. Thus I have an antenna >>> problem but only in the frequency range of the glideslope (I think >>> the gs freq. is much higher than the loc. freq.) So what gives? >>> And more importantly what do I do? The ant. in question is in the >>> port wing tip fastened to the lower aspect of the fiberglass >>> fairing, and grounded to the wing skin (just like the other nicely >>> functioning ant. in the other wing tip). The marker beacon ant. >>> is also in that wing tip but fastened to the upper aspect of the >>> fairing. Is there anyway that the mb ant is interfering? Thanks, >>> Jay Rowe #40301 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 08:28:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: WxWorx connector
    From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
    Eric, My wx box is in hangar right now. I'll head out there tomorrow with a Voltmeter and check it out for you. Lenny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296652#296652


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    Time: 08:29:56 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: N998RV Flies - Teaser Shot!
    Yahooo!! Mr RV-8 flew today for the first time!! Yahoo! .5 hours at 1pm and 1.0 hours again at 4:30pm! There's a ton more pictures and some sweet videos, but this will have to do for now... More to come! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Blog http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: Test Flight




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