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1. 04:24 AM - Re: OT You think you are having a bad day? (msausen)
2. 04:34 AM - Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! (Jesse Saint)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! (Jesse Saint)
4. 06:04 AM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing Tip (rwendell@hydro-splash.com)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! (Kelly McMullen)
6. 08:52 AM - Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 09:12 AM - Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! (Tim Olson)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! (Albert Gardner)
9. 09:35 AM - GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation (Jesse Saint)
10. 01:20 PM - Re: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation (Rene)
11. 04:31 PM - Re: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation (Bob Leffler)
12. 04:39 PM - Re: Gear Leg Fairing Tip (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
13. 04:53 PM - Re: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation (Kelly McMullen)
14. 05:55 PM - Re: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation (Jim Combs)
15. 08:50 PM - Re: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | Re: OT You think you are having a bad day? |
Wait, who's on first?!? LMAO
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297018#297018
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! |
Push the COM button and the S next to the standby freq changes to an M.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 6, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
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> How do you configure the SL-30 to monitor on the standby frequency?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:53 PM 5/6/2010 Thursday, you wrote:
>>
>> Well, at least the SL-30 allows you to monitor two frequencies at once. The
>> frequency in the active window has priority, but you can monitor the freq in
>> the standby window at the same time. I use that feature all the time after
>> I land at Ogden. A lot of time only one controller is working and after
>> landing they give you taxi directions and request you monitor ground....all
>> the real action is happening on the tower frequency......
>>
>> Rene'
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Morrison
>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:21 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos!
>>
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Congratulations on your first flight. The plane looks great and your
>> have done an incredible job of detailing the construction process. I'm
>> sure it will be a great asset for other -8 builders, like myself.
>>
>> Per Jesse's comment, the only thing that you may find desirable in the
>> future is a second COM radio. Not from a reliability standpoint but it
>> terms of situational awareness. I am currently flying a -4 with a very
>> basic VFR panel (496, 1 COM, steam gauges, wing leveler) and the only
>> thing I really feel is missing is another radio. There are so many times
>> that I wish I could be monitoring another frequency (or contacting FSS)
>> while dealing with ATC. Its a constant issue and adding another radio &
>> simple audio panel is at the top of my to do list.
>>
>> Again, great job on the -8.
>>
>> Doug Morrison
>> RV-4 N818WW
>> RV-8 N666NJ (Panel / FWF)
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt Dralle wrote:
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>>> Real men don't need a radio to fly! An spare EFIS, on the other hand,
>> maybe...
>>>
>>> Do you see a place for another COM on my panel?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Matt
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>>>
>>> At 11:04 AM 5/6/2010 Thursday, you wrote:
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>>>> Did I see that right? 3 EFIS screens, a VP-200, and a single COM radio?
>>>>
>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! |
Requirements are not what I'm talking about. No Auto Pilot is required for IFR
either, but I wouldn't fly single pilot IFR without one. I agree if you're going
with one COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I have
noticed that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is ATC,
especially when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead day of flying,
with one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to listen to ATIS.
When flying IFR it's nice to be able to tune the next couple of frequencies
instead of just one at a time in case there were a problem. I know a 2nd COM
isn't required at night either, but in the case of a COM failure, it would be
nice to still be able to turn the lights on.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 7, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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> There is no requirement for 2 com radios or 2 nav radios to fly IFR. That is
reason for lost com regs for IFR. I flew for years IFR with a single com radio...about
1/2 of those with a handheld nav/com that I used more for easy check
on crossing radials. Never had a com failure during IFR. The SL 30 is a great
radio, being the first to use DSP to digitally manage the analog radio signals,
which, by time sharing lets it monitor two freqs at once. Having two radios
actually makes com failure more likely, by errors in switching audio panel and
adjusting audio for both, setting frequency in correct radio. I pretty much use
my com 2 in current plane to pick up ATIS and monitor other than my primary
frequency. Only if have trouble on range or audio on Com 1 do I use Com 2 to
do any transmitting.
>
>
> On 5/6/2010 11:44 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint<jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>
>> Certainly not with all 5 of those screens. I guess I'm just not a real man.
I assume, then, that this is simply for VFR flying and not expected to be used
for any IFR or night?
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>> On May 6, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>>
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>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com>
>>>
>>> Real men don't need a radio to fly! An spare EFIS, on the other hand, maybe...
>>>
>>> Do you see a place for another COM on my panel?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:04 AM 5/6/2010 Thursday, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint<jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>>
>>>> Did I see that right? 3 EFIS screens, a VP-200, and a single COM radio?
>>>>
>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>>>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
>>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Leg Fairing Tip |
Good idea Pete where did you get the laser idea
....:)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "Peter James" <RVPilot@mchsi.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Gear Leg Fairing Tip
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! |
I only have one pair of ears, and whether the info is coming from
standby monitor or 2nd radio, it is difficult to focus on second
frequency if 1st is busy.
I don't see how 2nd radio is any better in that situation, but haven't
tried the SL30 yet, so maybe I am missing something. Personally, I'd
rather have the autopilot than the 2nd radio, if I had to make the
choice. Of course a com only can be had for around $1000 these days,
so might as well put one in if you have space.
I am thinking how to avoid the overkill of GNS430 and SL30, which
essentially lets you listen to 3 frequencies and have 2 VORs or ILS's.
The SL40 eliminates the 2nd VOR, which is okay as long as GPS is
functioning, but puts all your nav in one box. Perhaps GNS420 and SL30
would be better combo, but is more expensive than 430 and SL40.
Almost as hard as choosing EFIS, when Dynon, GRT and AFS are so close,
but each has unique positives the others don't, and you can't quite
have it all, without going up budget to multiple brands with more
complexity.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> Requirements are not what I'm talking about. I agree if you're going with one
COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I have noticed
that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is ATC, especially
when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead day of flying, with
one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to listen to ATIS.
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| Subject: | RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! |
One time it's nice to be able to monitor a second freq is enroute 121.5 or a
couple smaller unicoms or multicoms in remote areas.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos!
I only have one pair of ears, and whether the info is coming from
standby monitor or 2nd radio, it is difficult to focus on second
frequency if 1st is busy.
I don't see how 2nd radio is any better in that situation, but haven't
tried the SL30 yet, so maybe I am missing something. Personally, I'd
rather have the autopilot than the 2nd radio, if I had to make the
choice. Of course a com only can be had for around $1000 these days,
so might as well put one in if you have space.
I am thinking how to avoid the overkill of GNS430 and SL30, which
essentially lets you listen to 3 frequencies and have 2 VORs or ILS's.
The SL40 eliminates the 2nd VOR, which is okay as long as GPS is
functioning, but puts all your nav in one box. Perhaps GNS420 and SL30
would be better combo, but is more expensive than 430 and SL40.
Almost as hard as choosing EFIS, when Dynon, GRT and AFS are so close,
but each has unique positives the others don't, and you can't quite
have it all, without going up budget to multiple brands with more
complexity.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> Requirements are not what I'm talking about. I agree if you're going with one
COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I have noticed
that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is ATC, especially
when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead day of flying, with
one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to listen to ATIS.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! |
Nothing is overkill if you like how it works and are happy
with the end result of building your very own RV-10.
I utilize all 4 frequencies at times, between my GNS-480
and SL-30. Some I monitor Flightwatch. Sometimes I
monitor 121.5 (like coming home from the bahamas when I'm
about to enter the ADIZ, or flying over desolate country).
I always have current ATC in active on COM1, and always
enter the next atc or twr freq in standby. AWOS/ATIS
on COM2. Having dual coms or navs with flip-flop is
an awesome thing if you use them well....and nothing could
ever make it overkill if you like what you have when
you're done. It may over-kill a pocketbook, but
that doesn't mean it's overkill to have the tools in the
plane.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I only have one pair of ears, and whether the info is coming from
> standby monitor or 2nd radio, it is difficult to focus on second
> frequency if 1st is busy.
> I don't see how 2nd radio is any better in that situation, but haven't
> tried the SL30 yet, so maybe I am missing something. Personally, I'd
> rather have the autopilot than the 2nd radio, if I had to make the
> choice. Of course a com only can be had for around $1000 these days,
> so might as well put one in if you have space.
>
> I am thinking how to avoid the overkill of GNS430 and SL30, which
> essentially lets you listen to 3 frequencies and have 2 VORs or ILS's.
> The SL40 eliminates the 2nd VOR, which is okay as long as GPS is
> functioning, but puts all your nav in one box. Perhaps GNS420 and SL30
> would be better combo, but is more expensive than 430 and SL40.
> Almost as hard as choosing EFIS, when Dynon, GRT and AFS are so close,
> but each has unique positives the others don't, and you can't quite
> have it all, without going up budget to multiple brands with more
> complexity.
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>
>> Requirements are not what I'm talking about. I agree if you're going with
one COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I have noticed
that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is ATC, especially
when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead day of flying, with
one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to listen to ATIS.
>
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| Subject: | RV-8 N998RV First Flight - Pilot Report And Photos! |
If your com panel allows, splitting the 2 radios between pilot and copilot
is a nice feature and shares the workload or maybe just gives the copilot
something to do.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
One time it's nice to be able to monitor a second freq is enroute 121.5 or
a couple smaller unicoms or multicoms in remote areas.
Michael
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| Subject: | GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
With 2 radios you can adjust volumes to listen to one more carefully than the other,
for example, if you are listening to an ATIS frequency, you can turn down
the center freq a little and up the ATIS frequency, while still able to hopefully
catch your N-number if they call you, but you don't have to ask permission
to leave the freq that way. With one radio, to actually be able to listen
to an ATIS, you need to make it primary so the primary doesn't squelch it. If
you are tuning to an ATIS earlier than necessary to see if it is within range,
then that on the standby frequency would work perfectly because it will receive
during any break on the primary frequency so you know that it is within range.
A GNS-430 and SL-40, IMHO, is a good combination. I would certainly recommend
a second GPS receiver somewhere, either with the Dynon SkyView, the AFS or the
GRT, or one of the many handhelds available. It is not certified for IFR, but
if you were IFR and lost your GNS-430, then at least you can use the situational
awareness from the backup(s) to stay alive, even though it's not certified.
I know there are procedures for COM failure, but there are so many better
options, IMHO, if you have a second COM. I like having a second NAV as well,
but very few people that I know who are flying with a GNS ever even tune a NAV
unless they are just practicing, or enroute just as backup. Maybe we're the
minority.
Poll Question 1: For those on the list that have both, how many actually use a
NAV radio for navigation other than to practice (or for an ILS approach, which
a lot of the GPSes will overlay a simulation for now).
Poll Question 2: Rate 2nd GPS Receiver, 2nd COM Radio, 2nd NAV Radio and Auto
Pilot in order of must-have for both VFR and IFR.
My answer to Q2 for VFR is Auto Pilot, GPS, COM then NAV (with NAV as a far last
place)
My answer for IFR is GPS, Auto Pilot & COM tied and then NAV (with NAV as a far
last place)
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 7, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I only have one pair of ears, and whether the info is coming from
> standby monitor or 2nd radio, it is difficult to focus on second
> frequency if 1st is busy.
> I don't see how 2nd radio is any better in that situation, but haven't
> tried the SL30 yet, so maybe I am missing something. Personally, I'd
> rather have the autopilot than the 2nd radio, if I had to make the
> choice. Of course a com only can be had for around $1000 these days,
> so might as well put one in if you have space.
>
> I am thinking how to avoid the overkill of GNS430 and SL30, which
> essentially lets you listen to 3 frequencies and have 2 VORs or ILS's.
> The SL40 eliminates the 2nd VOR, which is okay as long as GPS is
> functioning, but puts all your nav in one box. Perhaps GNS420 and SL30
> would be better combo, but is more expensive than 430 and SL40.
> Almost as hard as choosing EFIS, when Dynon, GRT and AFS are so close,
> but each has unique positives the others don't, and you can't quite
> have it all, without going up budget to multiple brands with more
> complexity.
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>
>> Requirements are not what I'm talking about. I agree if you're going with
one COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I have noticed
that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is ATC, especially
when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead day of flying, with
one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to listen to ATIS.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
1. Only practice
2. VFR Autopilot, second GPS, second comm, second nav
3. IFR Second GPS, Autopilot, second comm, second nav
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation
With 2 radios you can adjust volumes to listen to one more carefully than
the other, for example, if you are listening to an ATIS frequency, you can
turn down the center freq a little and up the ATIS frequency, while still
able to hopefully catch your N-number if they call you, but you don't have
to ask permission to leave the freq that way. With one radio, to actually
be able to listen to an ATIS, you need to make it primary so the primary
doesn't squelch it. If you are tuning to an ATIS earlier than necessary to
see if it is within range, then that on the standby frequency would work
perfectly because it will receive during any break on the primary frequency
so you know that it is within range.
A GNS-430 and SL-40, IMHO, is a good combination. I would certainly
recommend a second GPS receiver somewhere, either with the Dynon SkyView,
the AFS or the GRT, or one of the many handhelds available. It is not
certified for IFR, but if you were IFR and lost your GNS-430, then at least
you can use the situational awareness from the backup(s) to stay alive, even
though it's not certified. I know there are procedures for COM failure, but
there are so many better options, IMHO, if you have a second COM. I like
having a second NAV as well, but very few people that I know who are flying
with a GNS ever even tune a NAV unless they are just practicing, or enroute
just as backup. Maybe we're the minority.
Poll Question 1: For those on the list that have both, how many actually
use a NAV radio for navigation other than to practice (or for an ILS
approach, which a lot of the GPSes will overlay a simulation for now).
Poll Question 2: Rate 2nd GPS Receiver, 2nd COM Radio, 2nd NAV Radio and
Auto Pilot in order of must-have for both VFR and IFR.
My answer to Q2 for VFR is Auto Pilot, GPS, COM then NAV (with NAV as a far
last place) My answer for IFR is GPS, Auto Pilot & COM tied and then NAV
(with NAV as a far last place)
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 7, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I only have one pair of ears, and whether the info is coming from
> standby monitor or 2nd radio, it is difficult to focus on second
> frequency if 1st is busy.
> I don't see how 2nd radio is any better in that situation, but haven't
> tried the SL30 yet, so maybe I am missing something. Personally, I'd
> rather have the autopilot than the 2nd radio, if I had to make the
> choice. Of course a com only can be had for around $1000 these days,
> so might as well put one in if you have space.
>
> I am thinking how to avoid the overkill of GNS430 and SL30, which
> essentially lets you listen to 3 frequencies and have 2 VORs or ILS's.
> The SL40 eliminates the 2nd VOR, which is okay as long as GPS is
> functioning, but puts all your nav in one box. Perhaps GNS420 and SL30
> would be better combo, but is more expensive than 430 and SL40.
> Almost as hard as choosing EFIS, when Dynon, GRT and AFS are so close,
> but each has unique positives the others don't, and you can't quite
> have it all, without going up budget to multiple brands with more
> complexity.
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
>> --> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>
>> Requirements are not what I'm talking about. I agree if you're going
with one COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I have
noticed that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is
ATC, especially when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead day
of flying, with one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to listen
to ATIS.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
Q1. Mostly practice
Q2. Autopilot, second com, second nav, second non-TSO GPS. I'm not sure
this is really a ranking. I'm putting them all in my panel.
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation
1. Only practice
2. VFR Autopilot, second GPS, second comm, second nav
3. IFR Second GPS, Autopilot, second comm, second nav
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation
With 2 radios you can adjust volumes to listen to one more carefully than
the other, for example, if you are listening to an ATIS frequency, you can
turn down the center freq a little and up the ATIS frequency, while still
able to hopefully catch your N-number if they call you, but you don't have
to ask permission to leave the freq that way. With one radio, to actually
be able to listen to an ATIS, you need to make it primary so the primary
doesn't squelch it. If you are tuning to an ATIS earlier than necessary to
see if it is within range, then that on the standby frequency would work
perfectly because it will receive during any break on the primary frequency
so you know that it is within range.
A GNS-430 and SL-40, IMHO, is a good combination. I would certainly
recommend a second GPS receiver somewhere, either with the Dynon SkyView,
the AFS or the GRT, or one of the many handhelds available. It is not
certified for IFR, but if you were IFR and lost your GNS-430, then at least
you can use the situational awareness from the backup(s) to stay alive, even
though it's not certified. I know there are procedures for COM failure, but
there are so many better options, IMHO, if you have a second COM. I like
having a second NAV as well, but very few people that I know who are flying
with a GNS ever even tune a NAV unless they are just practicing, or enroute
just as backup. Maybe we're the minority.
Poll Question 1: For those on the list that have both, how many actually
use a NAV radio for navigation other than to practice (or for an ILS
approach, which a lot of the GPSes will overlay a simulation for now).
Poll Question 2: Rate 2nd GPS Receiver, 2nd COM Radio, 2nd NAV Radio and
Auto Pilot in order of must-have for both VFR and IFR.
My answer to Q2 for VFR is Auto Pilot, GPS, COM then NAV (with NAV as a far
last place) My answer for IFR is GPS, Auto Pilot & COM tied and then NAV
(with NAV as a far last place)
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 7, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> I only have one pair of ears, and whether the info is coming from
> standby monitor or 2nd radio, it is difficult to focus on second
> frequency if 1st is busy.
> I don't see how 2nd radio is any better in that situation, but haven't
> tried the SL30 yet, so maybe I am missing something. Personally, I'd
> rather have the autopilot than the 2nd radio, if I had to make the
> choice. Of course a com only can be had for around $1000 these days,
> so might as well put one in if you have space.
>
> I am thinking how to avoid the overkill of GNS430 and SL30, which
> essentially lets you listen to 3 frequencies and have 2 VORs or ILS's.
> The SL40 eliminates the 2nd VOR, which is okay as long as GPS is
> functioning, but puts all your nav in one box. Perhaps GNS420 and SL30
> would be better combo, but is more expensive than 430 and SL40.
> Almost as hard as choosing EFIS, when Dynon, GRT and AFS are so close,
> but each has unique positives the others don't, and you can't quite
> have it all, without going up budget to multiple brands with more
> complexity.
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
>> --> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>
>> Requirements are not what I'm talking about. I agree if you're going
with one COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I have
noticed that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is
ATC, especially when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead day
of flying, with one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to listen
to ATIS.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Leg Fairing Tip |
I had never worked with laser levelers before. I took a slightly
different approach which I'm guessing could be combined with yours.
Instead of plumb bobs and chaulk lining the center line, I just put the
laser on a small step stool near the tail. Leveled, it shot a line along
the floor, split the nose gear and split the center rivets along the
bottom of the fuse.
Then I bummed a pretty straight piece of angle iron from my neighbor and
laid that on the floor to mark the center line. I used the angle iron as
a catch for the tape to measure out the aprox 27" out to the step line.
From there, I used the Vans procedure with chaulk lines and plumb bobs.
Seems like I could have productively started using your procedure to do
the step lines, etc.
The laser center line came back in to use to align the nose fairing.
Bill "cleaning the shop up and staring at the finish work" Watson
'
]Peter James wrote:
>
> To my RV-Tenr Colleagues
>
> I tend to stress about things that are not as complicated as they
> seem. In this case, how to simplify the alignment of the gear leg
> fairings?
>
> Per Vans plans, you need to create center lines, artificial center
> lines, Points, A, B, and X. Huh? What? This looks tough. Well its not
> if you are willing to spend $30 on something you can leave in your
> shop and use another day. Here is what I did.
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
#1. Yes, frequently, especially now that Loran is dead and my Argus
moving map was tied to the Loran.
2. 2nd com, 2nd nav, autopilot, portable GPS.
Those are for existing TC aircraft. I'm sure I will have differing
ranking in RV-10 with PFD, MFD, TSO GPS, etc.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Q1. Mostly practice
>
> Q2. Autopilot, second com, second nav, second non-TSO GPS. I'm not sure
> this is really a ranking. I'm putting them all in my panel.
>
> bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 4:19 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation
>
>
> 1. Only practice
> 2. VFR Autopilot, second GPS, second comm, second nav
> 3. IFR Second GPS, Autopilot, second comm, second nav
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:20 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation
>
>
> With 2 radios you can adjust volumes to listen to one more carefully than
> the other, for example, if you are listening to an ATIS frequency, you can
> turn down the center freq a little and up the ATIS frequency, while still
> able to hopefully catch your N-number if they call you, but you don't have
> to ask permission to leave the freq that way. With one radio, to actually
> be able to listen to an ATIS, you need to make it primary so the primary
> doesn't squelch it. If you are tuning to an ATIS earlier than necessary to
> see if it is within range, then that on the standby frequency would work
> perfectly because it will receive during any break on the primary frequency
> so you know that it is within range.
>
> A GNS-430 and SL-40, IMHO, is a good combination. I would certainly
> recommend a second GPS receiver somewhere, either with the Dynon SkyView,
> the AFS or the GRT, or one of the many handhelds available. It is not
> certified for IFR, but if you were IFR and lost your GNS-430, then at least
> you can use the situational awareness from the backup(s) to stay alive, even
> though it's not certified. I know there are procedures for COM failure, but
> there are so many better options, IMHO, if you have a second COM. I like
> having a second NAV as well, but very few people that I know who are flying
> with a GNS ever even tune a NAV unless they are just practicing, or enroute
> just as backup. Maybe we're the minority.
>
> Poll Question 1: For those on the list that have both, how many actually
> use a NAV radio for navigation other than to practice (or for an ILS
> approach, which a lot of the GPSes will overlay a simulation for now).
>
> Poll Question 2: Rate 2nd GPS Receiver, 2nd COM Radio, 2nd NAV Radio and
> Auto Pilot in order of must-have for both VFR and IFR.
>
> My answer to Q2 for VFR is Auto Pilot, GPS, COM then NAV (with NAV as a far
> last place) My answer for IFR is GPS, Auto Pilot & COM tied and then NAV
> (with NAV as a far last place)
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On May 7, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>>
>> I only have one pair of ears, and whether the info is coming from
>> standby monitor or 2nd radio, it is difficult to focus on second
>> frequency if 1st is busy.
>> I don't see how 2nd radio is any better in that situation, but haven't
>> tried the SL30 yet, so maybe I am missing something. Personally, I'd
>> rather have the autopilot than the 2nd radio, if I had to make the
>> choice. Of course a com only can be had for around $1000 these days,
>> so might as well put one in if you have space.
>>
>> I am thinking how to avoid the overkill of GNS430 and SL30, which
>> essentially lets you listen to 3 frequencies and have 2 VORs or ILS's.
>> The SL40 eliminates the 2nd VOR, which is okay as long as GPS is
>> functioning, but puts all your nav in one box. Perhaps GNS420 and SL30
>> would be better combo, but is more expensive than 430 and SL40.
>> Almost as hard as choosing EFIS, when Dynon, GRT and AFS are so close,
>> but each has unique positives the others don't, and you can't quite
>> have it all, without going up budget to multiple brands with more
>> complexity.
>>
>> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> wrote:
>>> --> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>>
>>> Requirements are not what I'm talking about. I agree if you're going
> with one COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I have
> noticed that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is
> ATC, especially when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead day
> of flying, with one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to listen
> to ATIS.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
I have a 430W driving the AFS 4500 and I have a second $38 serial GPS
receiver driving the AFS 3500 and AP.
The $30 GPS receiver is this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Serial-GPS-Reciever-Cable-Kit/dp/B000VUFGF8
Works like a champ and is a great backup should the 430W fail. It is
mounted under the cowling along with the 430W and XM weather antennas.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> #1. Yes, frequently, especially now that Loran is dead and my Argus
> moving map was tied to the Loran.
> 2. 2nd com, 2nd nav, autopilot, portable GPS.
> Those are for existing TC aircraft. I'm sure I will have differing
> ranking in RV-10 with PFD, MFD, TSO GPS, etc.
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> >
> > Q1. Mostly practice
> >
> > Q2. Autopilot, second com, second nav, second non-TSO GPS. I'm not
> sure
> > this is really a ranking. I'm putting them all in my panel.
> >
> > bob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
> > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 4:19 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation
> >
> >
> > 1. Only practice
> > 2. VFR Autopilot, second GPS, second comm, second nav
> > 3. IFR Second GPS, Autopilot, second comm, second nav
> >
> > Rene'
> > 801-721-6080
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 10:20 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation
> >
> >
> > With 2 radios you can adjust volumes to listen to one more carefully than
> > the other, for example, if you are listening to an ATIS frequency, you
> can
> > turn down the center freq a little and up the ATIS frequency, while still
> > able to hopefully catch your N-number if they call you, but you don't
> have
> > to ask permission to leave the freq that way. With one radio, to
> actually
> > be able to listen to an ATIS, you need to make it primary so the primary
> > doesn't squelch it. If you are tuning to an ATIS earlier than necessary
> to
> > see if it is within range, then that on the standby frequency would work
> > perfectly because it will receive during any break on the primary
> frequency
> > so you know that it is within range.
> >
> > A GNS-430 and SL-40, IMHO, is a good combination. I would certainly
> > recommend a second GPS receiver somewhere, either with the Dynon SkyView,
> > the AFS or the GRT, or one of the many handhelds available. It is not
> > certified for IFR, but if you were IFR and lost your GNS-430, then at
> least
> > you can use the situational awareness from the backup(s) to stay alive,
> even
> > though it's not certified. I know there are procedures for COM failure,
> but
> > there are so many better options, IMHO, if you have a second COM. I like
> > having a second NAV as well, but very few people that I know who are
> flying
> > with a GNS ever even tune a NAV unless they are just practicing, or
> enroute
> > just as backup. Maybe we're the minority.
> >
> > Poll Question 1: For those on the list that have both, how many actually
> > use a NAV radio for navigation other than to practice (or for an ILS
> > approach, which a lot of the GPSes will overlay a simulation for now).
> >
> > Poll Question 2: Rate 2nd GPS Receiver, 2nd COM Radio, 2nd NAV Radio and
> > Auto Pilot in order of must-have for both VFR and IFR.
> >
> > My answer to Q2 for VFR is Auto Pilot, GPS, COM then NAV (with NAV as a
> far
> > last place) My answer for IFR is GPS, Auto Pilot & COM tied and then NAV
> > (with NAV as a far last place)
> >
> > Jesse Saint
> > Saint Aviation, Inc.
> > jesse@saintaviation.com
> > Cell: 352-427-0285
> > Fax: 815-377-3694
> >
> > On May 7, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I only have one pair of ears, and whether the info is coming from
> >> standby monitor or 2nd radio, it is difficult to focus on second
> >> frequency if 1st is busy.
> >> I don't see how 2nd radio is any better in that situation, but haven't
> >> tried the SL30 yet, so maybe I am missing something. Personally, I'd
> >> rather have the autopilot than the 2nd radio, if I had to make the
> >> choice. Of course a com only can be had for around $1000 these days,
> >> so might as well put one in if you have space.
> >>
> >> I am thinking how to avoid the overkill of GNS430 and SL30, which
> >> essentially lets you listen to 3 frequencies and have 2 VORs or ILS's.
> >> The SL40 eliminates the 2nd VOR, which is okay as long as GPS is
> >> functioning, but puts all your nav in one box. Perhaps GNS420 and SL30
> >> would be better combo, but is more expensive than 430 and SL40.
> >> Almost as hard as choosing EFIS, when Dynon, GRT and AFS are so close,
> >> but each has unique positives the others don't, and you can't quite
> >> have it all, without going up budget to multiple brands with more
> >> complexity.
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> > wrote:
> >>> --> <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> >>>
> >>> Requirements are not what I'm talking about. I agree if you're
> going
> > with one COM then the SL-40/30 would be the one to go with, although I
> have
> > noticed that the standby frequency is not very useful when the primary is
> > ATC, especially when it's in fairly busy airspace. Unless it's a dead
> day
> > of flying, with one COM, I would have to ask to change frequency to
> listen
> > to ATIS.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS vs NAV Radio Navigation |
1: Nav1 for approaches and entertainment purposes on long X/Cs. Sadly Nav2
mostly for storing backup freqs. Our lowest approach at home is a localizer
that's used regularly. The nearest ILS recently got an LPV down to the same
minimums.
2: 2nd GPS Receiver (XM and approach plates), Auto Pilot, 2nd COM Radio,
2nd NAV Radio
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
>
> Poll Question 1: For those on the list that have both, how many actually
> use a NAV radio for navigation other than to practice (or for an ILS
> approach, which a lot of the GPSes will overlay a simulation for now).
>
> Poll Question 2: Rate 2nd GPS Receiver, 2nd COM Radio, 2nd NAV Radio and
> Auto Pilot in order of must-have for both VFR and IFR.
>
> My answer to Q2 for VFR is Auto Pilot, GPS, COM then NAV (with NAV as a far
> last place)
> My answer for IFR is GPS, Auto Pilot & COM tied and then NAV (with NAV as a
> far last place)
>
>
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