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1. 12:35 AM - Re: OT: iPad GPS (Werner Schneider)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: OT: iPad GPS (jkreidler)
3. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: OT: iPad GPS (Patrick Thyssen)
4. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: OT: iPad GPS (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 05:42 AM - Re: OT: iPad GPS (jkreidler)
6. 05:57 AM - please remove me from list (stevenflys1@juno.com)
7. 06:05 AM - Re: OT: iPad GPS (Michael Kraus)
8. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: OT: iPad GPS (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Re: OT: iPad GPS |
Hi Mike,
how does the iPad look when you have direct sunlight shining at it?
Werner
On 12.05.2010 01:20, Michael Kraus wrote:
>
> I received my 3G iPad a week ago last Friday. So far the GPS appears to
> work equally as well as my 3G iPhone, even though I have not activated
> the data service.
>
> I have not used it on Foreflight yet, but I have on AirNav Pro and on
> SkyCharts Pro and it works awesome! The larger screen is incredible. The
> approach plates fit nicely on the screen and are easily readable....
>
> Let me know if you want some screenshots.
>
> -Mike Kraus
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....
>>
>> I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and
>> Voyager. It works well, as do many GPS models.
>>
>> I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes
>> all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing
>> to do. Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia
>> for $8 euros. It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone
>> and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher
>> performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.
>> It works perfectly. So even if you just have a Wi-Fi
>> iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things
>> that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external
>> bluetooth GPS's with it. With Foreflight that means
>> it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program
>> on the apple works super well.
>>
>> Tim
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: iPad GPS |
We picked up a 3G iPad on the Friday they were released. We are running Foreflight
and have taken it on two short trips. GPS works at altitude even though
we have not activated the cell service yet. As far as sunlight viewing I can't
say that we have not been able to read it yet, but for the most part the RV-10
cockpit is shaded, not like some of the bubble canopies. Keep in mind the
limited use we have had. I think installing an anti glare cover would make it
OK in almost any condition. I don't think brightness is as much of an issue
as glare.
With all of that said, we really like this thing. Would like to try the Bluetooth
GPS but not sure about the ramifications of jail breaking. If this thing
doesn't bring this form factor (table, slate, take you pick) mainstream then nothing
will. It is really nice to use when your just sitting around watching
TV.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: OT: iPad GPS |
At What altitude? We can assume it'll work to 8-10K.
-Has anyone taken to say 15k?
Since a lot of people will fly up there, what is the projected altitude it'
s not going to work?
Patrick Thyssen.
Just like to know.
--- On Wed, 5/12/10, jkreidler <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com> wrote:
From: jkreidler <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: OT: iPad GPS
m>
We picked up a 3G iPad on the Friday they were released.- We are running
Foreflight and have taken it on two short trips.- GPS works at altitude e
ven though we have not activated the cell service yet.- As far as sunligh
t viewing I can't say that we have not been able to read it yet, but for th
e most part the RV-10 cockpit is shaded, not like some of the bubble canopi
es.- Keep in mind the limited use we have had.- I think installing an a
nti glare cover would make it OK in almost any condition.- I don't think
brightness is as much of an issue as glare.
With all of that said, we really like this thing.- Would like to try the
Bluetooth GPS but not sure about the ramifications of jail breaking.- If
this thing doesn't bring this form factor (table, slate, take you pick) mai
nstream then nothing will.- It is really nice to use when your just sitti
ng around watching TV.
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: OT: iPad GPS |
The last bullet under #1 in that Wikipedia article is really what most cell phones
do. A-GPS does normally use cell towers to give a quick rough fix to help
startup via tower triangulation. GPS units generally "know" where satellites
are supposed to be based on the internal clock and their internal data. What
they usually don't know, or have a problem figuring out if you just flew cross
country with them off, is where they are starting from. The quick cell tower
fix gives them that rough starting point to begin from.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Iszak
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: OT: iPad GPS
Jesse,
A-GPS is Assisted GPS, which means the GPS does not have to look for all of the
satellites, but it can download the almanac (the current position of the satellites)
from a remote server. This way you never have to wait for a "cold start"
which could take several minutes.
And that's probably why the iPhone has trouble getting a GPS lock in the air, when
there's no 3G signal.
I think the confusion comes from how the old, 2G iPhone, without a GPS chip used
to calculate it's approximate position from cell towers.
Here's more info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: OT: iPad GPS |
No higher altitudes yet, might have a PIREP Friday from a planned longer 'higher'
flight.
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4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
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| Subject: | Re: OT: iPad GPS |
From what I can tell, it is as good or better than my 3G iPhone, and
I personally have never had any issues seeing it on the sun. I gave a
Garmin 696 and if we ever see the sun in Michigan again, I will take
both outside and do a side by side comparison.
That being said, the Garmin screens are more of a mat finish, while
the Apple screens are a gloss finish. Glare is really the bigger
issue as I think someone else may have mentioned.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 12, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> how does the iPad look when you have direct sunlight shining at it?
>
> Werner
>
> On 12.05.2010 01:20, Michael Kraus wrote:
>> >
>>
>> I received my 3G iPad a week ago last Friday. So far the GPS
>> appears to
>> work equally as well as my 3G iPhone, even though I have not
>> activated
>> the data service.
>>
>> I have not used it on Foreflight yet, but I have on AirNav Pro and on
>> SkyCharts Pro and it works awesome! The larger screen is
>> incredible. The
>> approach plates fit nicely on the screen and are easily readable....
>>
>> Let me know if you want some screenshots.
>>
>> -Mike Kraus
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....
>>>
>>> I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and
>>> Voyager. It works well, as do many GPS models.
>>>
>>> I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes
>>> all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing
>>> to do. Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia
>>> for $8 euros. It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone
>>> and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher
>>> performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.
>>> It works perfectly. So even if you just have a Wi-Fi
>>> iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things
>>> that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external
>>> bluetooth GPS's with it. With Foreflight that means
>>> it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program
>>> on the apple works super well.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OT: iPad GPS |
I totally agree with Jason on everything here. The GPS does
work independently, at altitude. I haven't activated my
3G service and don't intend to, and in fact turned off
"Cellular Data" in the config. What I haven't tried is using
GPS in "airplane mode" yet with this. I know it doesn't work
on the iPhone 3GS, but they use different chipsets for the
GPS...so it may be different.
For readability, I find it really bright and clear, but
find the high-gloss screens *REALLY* poor to use in bright
sunlight if you can't face them away from the sun and
reflections. It's really visible when it is visible, and
NOT visible when it's glaring. But that's not the screen
as much as the glossy surface. My iPhone was the same, but
I've found that using "Brando Anti-Glare" screen protectors,
are awesome. It actually makes it easier to use, too,
because your finger slides better and you get far less
fingerprints. (Something that the iPad REALLY has a problem
with) On my iPhone, the Brando protectors made all the
difference in the world and now I can read in sunlight.
I bought one for the iPad but haven't installed it yet.
So for me, I'd say that's a definite "must buy". Brando
brand is by far the best I have ever seen, and since I've
turned my co-workers on to them, who have tried tons of
other brands, they all dropped theirs and ordered Brando's.
They're $9 for an iphone, and I think $16 or $18 for an ipad.
They're thick and don't wear out except under damaging wear.
In an RV-10, an iPad should work great. In an RV-7,
you may have to worry about the angle you hold it a bit.
Also, the iPad is polarized, so with my polarized glasses
I find I have to hold it horizontally to see it. But, I
don't weary polarized glasses in the cockpit, because the
same effects happen with the GNS480, Cheltons, GTX330,
and other screens.
Regarding altitude, I know they publish a spec for altitude,
but I'm really willing to bet that even if it's not as
high as you'd think it should be, it's far better than
any hard-drive based device. And if the touchscreen is
the limitation, I can tell you that the iPhone has worked
fine up into the 16K range for me. The RV-10 does best
below 15 generally, though so you'll probably not end up
higher very often. Certainly not flying approaches where
you need your approach plate immediately handy. But I
would bet it the iPad will work >15K.
Regarding Jailbreaking, definitely, if you're not willing
to be careful, don't bother. You have to be aware enough
that when Apple comes out with new firmware, you don't
simply hit "upgrade". Doing that will just wipe out
all your good apps. I have many many apps that I've
bought and paid for through cydia, that you simply can't
get similar apps from Apple. If I couldn't jailbreak
my iphone/ipad, I don't know if I'd even have a drive to
own one, because some of the apps really make life
nice. But, when firmware comes out, I, along with
all jailbreakers, have to wait and read the forums until
we see that it's safe to upgrade firmware. If you're
careful, you can add a ton of good functionality to your
device. Of course, Apple says "could void your warranty",
so to each his own.
I agree on the TV time too. I use it all the time now
in bed or by the TV. I can VPN to work, use remote
desktop to servers, SSH to routers, and accomplish most
of what I'd need to do in an emergency. I have a bluetooth
keyboard for it, so it's a good laptop replacement for
lightweight travel. (the keyboard works with my iphone
thanks to a jailbreak app called BTStack Keyboard)
I can stream netflix to it, and I have AirVideo which
allows me to stream all of my movies from my PC onto
it. It's an amazing device. Well, really, it's
just another tablet, since the LE1600 could do
most or all of this too, but, the iPad is so much FASTER
at loading apps and popping in and out of apps, that
it just makes information far closer to your fingertips.
The beauty of them is their size and speed....and multi-touch
control.
It should be great in a cockpit for most people, but
you'll definitely want an anti-glare protector,
and if you use GPS a lot, you may want to consider
a bluetooth GPS.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
jkreidler wrote:
> <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> We picked up a 3G iPad on the Friday they were released. We are
> running Foreflight and have taken it on two short trips. GPS works
> at altitude even though we have not activated the cell service yet.
> As far as sunlight viewing I can't say that we have not been able to
> read it yet, but for the most part the RV-10 cockpit is shaded, not
> like some of the bubble canopies. Keep in mind the limited use we
> have had. I think installing an anti glare cover would make it OK in
> almost any condition. I don't think brightness is as much of an
> issue as glare.
>
> With all of that said, we really like this thing. Would like to try
> the Bluetooth GPS but not sure about the ramifications of jail
> breaking. If this thing doesn't bring this form factor (table,
> slate, take you pick) mainstream then nothing will. It is really
> nice to use when your just sitting around watching TV.
>
> -------- Jason Kreidler 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI Tony
> Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying -
> #40617
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297467#297467
>
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