---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/13/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:19 AM - Re: Engine control cables touch mount (jayb) 2. 08:28 AM - Re: Engine control cables touch mount (jayb) 3. 08:33 AM - Re: Engine control cables touch mount (orchidman) 4. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (Michael Kraus) 5. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (Michael Kraus) 6. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (Michael Kraus) 7. 09:45 AM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (Dave Saylor) 8. 02:31 PM - Andair Valves Redux (Kelly McMullen) 9. 02:43 PM - Re: Andair Valves Redux (Dave Saylor) 10. 02:53 PM - Re: Andair Valves Redux (Tim Olson) 11. 07:05 PM - Re: Andair Valves Redux (Danny Riggs) 12. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (John Cox) 13. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:54 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount From: "jayb" Seems like a simple fix, but maybe not good idea as the cables need to be able to flex and move freely along with the engine. There is already an adel clamp in the standard location recommended by Vans. Adding a second clamp might work if it were on the large side. However, the cable might then wear against the clamp. Maybe I'm thinking too hard. Jay > Can't you put an adel clamp around it and secure it to another adel > clamp around the engine mount to keep it from rubbing? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297604#297604 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:04 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount From: "jayb" Anyone know how much new cables cost? This would be an opportunity for Vans to improve their customer experience by either providing specified cables lengths or no cable option w/ their throttle quadrant. Of course, I'll bet no one from Vans monitors this list. I'm getting to the point on this project that I no longer trust ANY plan section that says cut, drill or permanently attach w/o consulting the -10 list for gotchas first. Caveat emptor! Jay [quote="partner14"]Especially if you have cold air induction,,,,, just buy different length cables... several had to modify the motor mounts. Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297605#297605 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:25 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount From: "orchidman" When I ordered my kit that had the cables, I had them switch out the stock cables that came with the quadrant for ones that were at least 1" longer. Don't remember the exact lengths that I ordered but think I would add another half inch to the throttle if I had to do it again. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297607#297607 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:50 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount You really wouldn't like building an RV-3 or RV-4 then!!! :-) Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2010, at 11:27 AM, "jayb" wrote: > > Anyone know how much new cables cost? > > This would be an opportunity for Vans to improve their customer > experience by either providing specified cables lengths or no cable > option w/ their throttle quadrant. Of course, I'll bet no one from > Vans monitors this list. > > I'm getting to the point on this project that I no longer trust ANY > plan section that says cut, drill or permanently attach w/o > consulting the -10 list for gotchas first. Caveat emptor! > > Jay > > > [quote="partner14"]Especially if you have cold air induction,,,,, > just buy different length cables... several had to modify the motor > mounts. > Don > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297605#297605 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:53 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount I ordered the standard quadrant kit with cables. The prop cable was perfect, but the throttle and mixture were a bit long! I got them to work, bit an inch or two shorter would have been better for my install..... Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2010, at 11:32 AM, "orchidman" wrote: > > When I ordered my kit that had the cables, I had them switch out the > stock cables that came with the quadrant for ones that were at least > 1" longer. Don't remember the exact lengths that I ordered but > think I would add another half inch to the throttle if I had to do > it again. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297607#297607 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:35 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount You are overthinking it. The cable has a thick plastic shield on it. Make the adel clamp a tad big and the plastic can then slide on the rubber and it will last for many many years. Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2010, at 11:18 AM, "jayb" wrote: > > Seems like a simple fix, but maybe not good idea as the cables need > to be able to flex and move freely along with the engine. There is > already an adel clamp in the standard location recommended by Vans. > Adding a second clamp might work if it were on the large side. > However, the cable might then wear against the clamp. Maybe I'm > thinking too hard. > > Jay > >> Can't you put an adel clamp around it and secure it to another adel >> clamp around the engine mount to keep it from rubbing? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297604#297604 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:35 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount I replaced the stock cables with 47" for the prop, 51" for mixture and 72" for the prop. I got the cables from a local cablecraft distributor. Also, ask for the highest temp rating you can get. The green cables from Vans aren't the best. A set of replacement cables should be $200 or less. Do everything to you can to route them away from heat sources, including the heater dumps. I covered mine with fire sleeve in that area. The inner liner softens when it gets too hot, and if that happens in a radius then the wire digs into the soft liner, eventually making a groove on the inside. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jayb wrote: > > Anyone know how much new cables cost? > > This would be an opportunity for Vans to improve their customer experience > by either providing specified cables lengths or no cable option w/ their > throttle quadrant. Of course, I'll bet no one from Vans monitors this list. > > I'm getting to the point on this project that I no longer trust ANY plan > section that says cut, drill or permanently attach w/o consulting the -10 > list for gotchas first. Caveat emptor! > > Jay > > > [quote="partner14"]Especially if you have cold air induction,,,,, just buy > different length cables... several had to modify the motor mounts. > Don > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297605#297605 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:15 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves Redux From: Kelly McMullen I know there has been a fair amount of discussion in the past as to location to mount the Andair, whether or not to use an extension. Being at that point in my build, it appears to me that mounting the valve flush with the top of the panel avoids the extension issue, requires a few extra bends in fuel lines to make room for heater duct, and puts heat right under the valve. On the other hand, it also seems to put a large upward loop in the fuel circuit. It appears to me, not having gone beyond this point and not knowing other pitfalls, that using the full 12" extension would minimize the uphill direction of fuel flow, allow heater duct to go above the valve and fuel lines, while shortening the fuel lines between the entry to the tunnel and the fuel filter. I have the newer "B" variety valve, so no customization needed on the extension. What have others experienced in delay time ordering direct from Andair? Wonder why Van's doesn't offer the extension. I note that Van's valve mount is something like .060 aluminum. I have some .040 that would be handy to use, probably with alu. angle, which seems like it ought to be plenty strong, or just move Van's mount lower in the tunnel and make a plate to go on top of it to accommodate the Andair configuration. Kelly #40866 Fuselage ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:42 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Valves Redux We ordered a few things from Andair about 6 months ago including an extension kit. I was pleasantly surprised by how quickly they arrived. I don't think it was much more than a week. I ended up just emailing my order because the web site order choked when I tried to check out. I got a response right away. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I know there has been a fair amount of discussion in the past as to > location to mount the Andair, whether or not to use an extension. > Being at that point in my build, it appears to me that mounting the > valve flush with the top of the panel avoids the extension issue, > requires a few extra bends in fuel lines to make room for heater duct, > and puts heat right under the valve. On the other hand, it also seems > to put a large upward loop in the fuel circuit. It appears to me, not > having gone beyond this point and not knowing other pitfalls, that > using the full 12" extension would minimize the uphill direction of > fuel flow, allow heater duct to go above the valve and fuel lines, > while shortening the fuel lines between the entry to the tunnel and > the fuel filter. I have the newer "B" variety valve, so no > customization needed on the extension. What have others experienced in > delay time ordering direct from Andair? Wonder why Van's doesn't offer > the extension. I note that Van's valve mount is something like .060 > aluminum. I have some .040 that would be handy to use, probably with > alu. angle, which seems like it ought to be plenty strong, or just > move Van's mount lower in the tunnel and make a plate to go on top of > it to accommodate the Andair configuration. > > Kelly > #40866 > Fuselage > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:36 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Andair Valves Redux You see the light! Good redux! Tim On May 13, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I know there has been a fair amount of discussion in the past as to > location to mount the Andair, whether or not to use an extension. > Being at that point in my build, it appears to me that mounting the > valve flush with the top of the panel avoids the extension issue, > requires a few extra bends in fuel lines to make room for heater duct, > and puts heat right under the valve. On the other hand, it also seems > to put a large upward loop in the fuel circuit. It appears to me, not > having gone beyond this point and not knowing other pitfalls, that > using the full 12" extension would minimize the uphill direction of > fuel flow, allow heater duct to go above the valve and fuel lines, > while shortening the fuel lines between the entry to the tunnel and > the fuel filter. I have the newer "B" variety valve, so no > customization needed on the extension. What have others experienced in > delay time ordering direct from Andair? Wonder why Van's doesn't offer > the extension. I note that Van's valve mount is something like .060 > aluminum. I have some .040 that would be handy to use, probably with > alu. angle, which seems like it ought to be plenty strong, or just > move Van's mount lower in the tunnel and make a plate to go on top of > it to accommodate the Andair configuration. > > Kelly > #40866 > Fuselage > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:53 PM PST US From: Danny Riggs Subject: RE: RV10-List: Andair Valves Redux I've ordered from them several times lately on their web site and always go t the stuff in less than a week. It used to be longer and the web ordering was terrible. My experience now has been seamless. Date: Thu=2C 13 May 2010 14:26:53 -0700 > Subject: RV10-List: Andair Valves Redux > From: apilot2@gmail.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > I know there has been a fair amount of discussion in the past as to > location to mount the Andair=2C whether or not to use an extension. > Being at that point in my build=2C it appears to me that mounting the > valve flush with the top of the panel avoids the extension issue=2C > requires a few extra bends in fuel lines to make room for heater duct=2C > and puts heat right under the valve. On the other hand=2C it also seems > to put a large upward loop in the fuel circuit. It appears to me=2C not > having gone beyond this point and not knowing other pitfalls=2C that > using the full 12" extension would minimize the uphill direction of > fuel flow=2C allow heater duct to go above the valve and fuel lines=2C > while shortening the fuel lines between the entry to the tunnel and > the fuel filter. I have the newer "B" variety valve=2C so no > customization needed on the extension. What have others experienced in > delay time ordering direct from Andair? Wonder why Van's doesn't offer > the extension. I note that Van's valve mount is something like .060 > aluminum. I have some .040 that would be handy to use=2C probably with > alu. angle=2C which seems like it ought to be plenty strong=2C or just > move Van's mount lower in the tunnel and make a plate to go on top of > it to accommodate the Andair configuration. > > Kelly > #40866 > Fuselage > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with H otmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid= PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:12 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount From: John Cox The archives have the name of the company, sales rep and price per cable to improve on the length. Each was less than $60.00. They are made for Van' s in Portland. There is a lot of value buried in queries of past posts of years ago for those who enjoy the search. They are authorized manufacturer s for Cablecraft. John Cox From: Dave Saylor Sent: Thu 5/13/2010 9:42 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount I replaced the stock cables with 47" for the prop, 51" for mixture and 72" for the prop. I got the cables from a local cablecraft distributor. Also, ask for the highest temp rating you can get. The green cables from Vans a ren't the best. A set of replacement cables should be $200 or less. Do everything to you can to route them away from heat sources, including th e heater dumps. I covered mine with fire sleeve in that area. The inner l iner softens when it gets too hot, and if that happens in a radius then the wire digs into the soft liner, eventually making a groove on the inside. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jayb wrote: Anyone know how much new cables cost? This would be an opportunity for Vans to improve their customer experience by either providing specified cables lengths or no cable option w/ their th rottle quadrant. Of course, I'll bet no one from Vans monitors this list. I'm getting to the point on this project that I no longer trust ANY plan se ction that says cut, drill or permanently attach w/o consulting the -10 lis t for gotchas first. Caveat emptor! Jay [quote="partner14"]Especially if you have cold air induction,,,,, just bu y different length cables... several had to modify the motor mounts. Don Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297605#297605 arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount From: Kelly McMullen Is this the lead you are referring to John? http://www.tuthill.com/us/en/brands/Cablecraft.cfm They make the cables for Cessna. You can order direct form Cablecraft On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:14 PM, John Cox wrote: > The archives have the name of the company, sales rep and price per cable to > improve on the length. Each was less than $60.00. They are made for Van's > in Portland. There is a lot of value buried in queries of past posts of > years ago for those who enjoy the search. They are authorized manufacturers > for Cablecraft. > > John Cox > ________________________________ > From: Dave Saylor > Sent: Thu 5/13/2010 9:42 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount > > I replaced the stock cables with 47" for the prop, 51" for mixture and 72" > for the prop. I got the cables from a local cablecraft distributor. Also, > ask for the highest temp rating you can get. The green cables from Vans > aren't the best. A set of replacement cables should be $200 or less. > > Do everything to you can to route them away from heat sources, including the > heater dumps. I covered mine with fire sleeve in that area. The inner > liner softens when it gets too hot, and if that happens in a radius then the > wire digs into the soft liner, eventually making a groove on the inside. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:27 AM, jayb wrote: >> >> >> Anyone know how much new cables cost? >> >> This would be an opportunity for Vans to improve their customer experience >> by either providing specified cables lengths or no cable option w/ their >> throttle quadrant. Of course, I'll bet no one from Vans monitors this list. >> >> I'm getting to the point on this project that I no longer trust ANY plan >> section that says cut, drill or permanently attach w/o consulting the -10 >> list for gotchas first. 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