---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/17/10: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Transponder Antenna Location (John Cumins) 2. 08:15 AM - Re: Another RV10 finished (Deems Davis) 3. 12:12 PM - GRT probes (DLM) 4. 12:45 PM - Tow Studs (Lew Gallagher) 5. 01:37 PM - Re: GRT probes (Scott Schmidt) 6. 01:55 PM - Contact for Loehle products (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 7. 02:03 PM - Re: GRT probes (Tim Olson) 8. 02:08 PM - Re: GRT probes (Danny Riggs) 9. 02:11 PM - Re: Contact for Loehle products (Danny Riggs) 10. 02:23 PM - Re: Tow Studs (Danny Riggs) 11. 03:43 PM - Re: GRT probes (Bob Leffler) 12. 03:52 PM - Re: GRT probes (McGann, Ron) 13. 04:22 PM - Re: GRT probes (DLM) 14. 04:22 PM - Re: GRT probes (DLM) 15. 06:02 PM - Re: GRT probes (Scott Schmidt) 16. 06:13 PM - Re: GRT probes (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:35 AM PST US From: "John Cumins" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Transponder Antenna Location Being a RF guy that does a lot of radio work for my company. I would not place any antenna between the Exhaust stacks you are blocking the radiation of the antenna a lot. Metal will reflect the radiation of the transmit. Move the antenna to the far Right or Left and I bet it will work much better. John G. Cumins President 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94534 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Transponder Antenna Location Mine is in the same location, about a foot aft of the firewall, with the same xpdr. No issues to date with 450 hours. Marcus Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N777TY Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 7:52 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Transponder Antenna Location I doubt that's the problem.. Mine's on the right side.. maybe 10 inches to the right of the centerline (so it's not in the exhaust path)... and it works perfect.. never skipped a beat.. Have you had your txp checked per 91.413? Did it pass that inspection? -------- RV-7A N777TY Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297858#297858 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:51 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Another RV10 finished Well done Greg! Let me know where you are going to park @ OSH, cause I want to be as far away as possible. You've set a pretty high standard. Do you want to share you Empty Weight? Or did all of those mods result in weight savings ;-) Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com PS the Glaresheild and seat levers are doing well. On 5/16/2010 4:59 PM, greghale wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "greghale" > > N210KH has a brand new airworthiness certificate and ready to fly. Just waiting for the rain and storms in Oklahoma to stop. 40hours to go then Oshkosh. > > Greg Hale > > -------- > Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH > www.nwacaptain.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297927#297927 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:02 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RV10-List: GRT probes Changed the EGT probe on #2 today. This is the second time to replace #2 EGT probe. Note the black shrink wrap near the connectors. These are the cheaper probes from GRT. Note that I did not say inexpensive.; the price from GRT is about $10 less than their "higher quality" probe. I did not know this when I received and installed my EIS 6000. They are not inexpensive because in 278 hours I have had four failures using these probes. Each time a failure occurs, the aircraft must be uncowled and a part obtained from GRT. Each failure cost about 2 hours of my labor and acquisition and AOG freight charges to remedy. If you use GRT probes at least insist on the EGT probes with the white shrink wrap near the connectors; they are the "higher quality" probes. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:27 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Tow Studs From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Guys, I've read about complaints of tow jockies messing up the completed nose wheel pants, so now that we've finished the fly off and installed the pants, I asked the hangar guys and they agreed that getting their bars in the cut outs could be done carefully, but eventually would mess up the paint. So here are pics of what I did. Simply replaced the socket head bolts with 2.5 inch ones with a spacer and washer so that the stud is exterior to the fiberglass/paint with a washer flush so that the tow bar seats without going into the shell. It's really not noticeable and aerodynamic clutter is minimal. The longer bolts cost $1.00, made the spacers. The hangar guys love it -- thought I'd see what y'all thought. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297995#297995 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/towstud3_829.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/towstud2_212.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/towstud1_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/complete3_157.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:21 PM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes I have now replaced all six probes after 650 hours of flying. If you have not flown I would return everyone of them and get the higher quality probe that GRT offers. So far, no problems with them. -Scott Schmidt Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2010, at 1:09 PM, "DLM" wrote: Changed the EGT probe on #2 today. This is the second time to replace #2 EGT probe. Note the black shrink wrap near the connectors. These are the cheaper probes from GRT. Note that I did not say inexpensive.; the price from GRT is about $10 less than their "higher quality" probe. I did not know this when I received and installed my EIS 6000. They are not inexpensive because in 278 hours I have had four failures using these probes. Each time a failure occurs, the aircraft must be uncowled and a part obtained from GRT. Each failure cost about 2 hours of my labor and acquisition and AOG freight charges to remedy. If you use GRT probes at least insist on the EGT probes with the white shrink wrap near the connectors; they are the "higher quality" probes. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:04 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: RV10-List: Contact for Loehle products Can anyone help me get in touch with the folks at Loehle. I have been trying to order some product for about a week and can't seem to get an order into the website, an answer to email, or a message on their phone. I'm hoping they just may be on vacation in which case I can wait...but want to make sure I'm not missing something. Thanks Bill "FG dust (cont)" Watson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:04 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes I've been following this with interest because I've been flying 625 hours now with only one probe failure on the same probes, in fact the black labeled ones. In fact, the failure I had was due to the crimped end. I've removed them twice or so, when I removed the exhaust, and reinstalled. I'm not sure why mine have been reliable, but they have been. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Scott Schmidt wrote: > I have now replaced all six probes after 650 hours of flying. > If you have not flown I would return everyone of them and get the higher > quality probe that GRT offers. So far, no problems with them. > > -Scott Schmidt > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2010, at 1:09 PM, "DLM" > wrote: > >> Changed the EGT probe on #2 today. This is the second time to replace >> #2 EGT probe. Note the black shrink wrap near the connectors. These >> are the cheaper probes from GRT. Note that I did not say inexpensive.; >> the price from GRT is about $10 less than their "higher quality" >> probe. I did not know this when I received and installed my EIS 6000. >> They are not inexpensive because in 278 hours I have had four failures >> using these probes. Each time a failure occurs, the aircraft must be >> uncowled and a part obtained from GRT. Each failure cost about 2 hours >> of my labor and acquisition and AOG freight charges to remedy. If you >> use GRT probes at least insist on the EGT probes with the white shrink >> wrap near the connectors; they are the "higher quality" probes. >> > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:50 PM PST US From: Danny Riggs Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT probes Just how expensive are the better ones? From: scottmschmidt@yahoo.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes I have now replaced all six probes after 650 hours of flying. If you have n ot flown I would return everyone of them and get the higher quality probe t hat GRT offers. So far=2C no problems with them. -Scott Schmidt Sent from my iPhone On May 17=2C 2010=2C at 1:09 PM=2C "DLM" wrote: Changed the EGT probe on #2 today. This is the second time to replace #2 EGT probe. Note the black shrink wrap near the connectors. These are the cheaper probes fro m GRT. Note that I did not say inexpensive.=3B the price from GRT is about $1 0 less than their "higher quality" probe. I did not know this when I received and installed my EIS 6000. They are not inexpensive because in 278 hours I have had four failures using these probes. Each time a failure occurs=2C the aircraft must be uncowled and a part obtained from GRT. Each failure cost a bout 2 hours of my labor and acquisition and AOG freight charges to remedy. If y ou use GRT probes at least insist on the EGT probes with the white shrink wrap near the connectors=3B they are the "higher quality" probes. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inb ox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:22 PM PST US From: Danny Riggs Subject: RE: RV10-List: Contact for Loehle products i've bought a lot of stuff from them and never had much luck with the web s ite or the fax. Fax usually not plugged in. Call between 9 to 11:30 and 1:3 0 to 4 CST got me the best luck. Also other times but those were the best. Dan > Date: Mon=2C 17 May 2010 16:51:55 -0400 > From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Contact for Loehle products > rr.com> > > Can anyone help me get in touch with the folks at Loehle. I have been > trying to order some product for about a week and can't seem to get an > order into the website=2C an answer to email=2C or a message on their > phone. I'm hoping they just may be on vacation in which case I can > wait...but want to make sure I'm not missing something. > > Thanks > Bill "FG dust (cont)" Watson > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox .. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:23 PM PST US From: Danny Riggs Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tow Studs excellent idea. very nice looking plane also!!!!! > Subject: RV10-List: Tow Studs > From: lewgall@charter.net > Date: Mon=2C 17 May 2010 12:42:10 -0700 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > Hey Guys=2C > > I've read about complaints of tow jockies messing up the completed nose w heel pants=2C so now that we've finished the fly off and installed the pant s=2C I asked the hangar guys and they agreed that getting their bars in the cut outs could be done carefully=2C but eventually would mess up the paint .. > > So here are pics of what I did. Simply replaced the socket head bolts wi th 2.5 inch ones with a spacer and washer so that the stud is exterior to t he fiberglass/paint with a washer flush so that the tow bar seats without g oing into the shell. It's really not noticeable and aerodynamic clutter is minimal. The longer bolts cost $1.00=2C made the spacers. The hangar guy s love it -- thought I'd see what y'all thought. > > Later=2C - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Fly off completed ! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297995#297995 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/towstud3_829.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/towstud2_212.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/towstud1_158.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/complete3_157.jpg > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:27 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT probes Scott, How do you determine which ones are the higher quality? I only see reference to a standard set of probes on their site. Thanks, Bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes I have now replaced all six probes after 650 hours of flying. If you have not flown I would return everyone of them and get the higher quality probe that GRT offers. So far, no problems with them. -Scott Schmidt ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:23 PM PST US From: "McGann, Ron" Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT probes I have not checked the archives over at VAF on this topic, but it might be worthwhile starting a thread over there. There are a bucket load of RVs us ing the GRT system and their probes. I have found GRT great to deal with, and I'm sure they will take appropriate action if there is any hint of nega tive press. Cheers Ron VH-XRM, flying in Oz Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Tuesday, 18 May 2010 5:10 AM Subject: RV10-List: GRT probes Changed the EGT probe on #2 today. This is the second time to replace #2 EG T probe. Note the black shrink wrap near the connectors. These are the chea per probes from GRT. Note that I did not say inexpensive.; the price from G RT is about $10 less than their "higher quality" probe. I did not know this when I received and installed my EIS 6000. They are not inexpensive becau se in 278 hours I have had four failures using these probes. Each time a fa ilure occurs, the aircraft must be uncowled and a part obtained from GRT. E ach failure cost about 2 hours of my labor and acquisition and AOG freight charges to remedy. If you use GRT probes at least insist on the EGT probes with the white shrink wrap near the connectors; they are the "higher qualit y" probes. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:22 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT probes $10 more per probe _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Danny Riggs Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 2:08 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT probes Just how expensive are the better ones? _____ From: scottmschmidt@yahoo.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes I have now replaced all six probes after 650 hours of flying. If you have not flown I would return everyone of them and get the higher quality probe that GRT offers. So far, no problems with them. -Scott Schmidt Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2010, at 1:09 PM, "DLM" wrote: Changed the EGT probe on #2 today. This is the second time to replace #2 EGT probe. Note the black shrink wrap near the connectors. These are the cheaper probes from GRT. Note that I did not say inexpensive.; the price from GRT is about $10 less than their "higher quality" probe. I did not know this when I received and installed my EIS 6000. They are not inexpensive because in 278 hours I have had four failures using these probes. Each time a failure occurs, the aircraft must be uncowled and a part obtained from GRT. Each failure cost about 2 hours of my labor and acquisition and AOG freight charges to remedy. If you use GRT probes at least insist on the EGT probes with the white shrink wrap near the connectors; they are the "higher quality" probes. http://www.matronics.com/Navigatwww.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m atronics.com/contribution _____ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:22 PM PST US From: "DLM" Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT probes Sandy indicated that there were two different quality probes; she indicated that the standard (black wrap) probes work for most. Perhaps they got a bad batch. She said that the white wrap are available for about $10 more per probe. I have also researched GEM, Alcor and EI and may buy a replacement set from EI. My Glastar had all EI engine instruments and in 530 hours I never had a EGT or any of their probes fail. On my C177RG I had a GEM603 and had one or maybe two EGT probe failures over at least 15 years and 2000+ hours. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 3:44 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT probes Scott, How do you determine which ones are the higher quality? I only see reference to a standard set of probes on their site. Thanks, Bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes I have now replaced all six probes after 650 hours of flying. If you have not flown I would return everyone of them and get the higher quality probe that GRT offers. So far, no problems with them. -Scott Schmidt ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:05 PM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes Bob, Sandy just mentioned that they offered a higher temp option when I called the first time. And $10 I am not sure why I have had probe problems Tim and you have not. I do have ceramic coated exhaust that may store more heat inside the system. I also located my probes as close as the plans discussed to the cylinders (I think that was 2.5"). If I did it again I would probably locate them further down the exhaust, maybe that would make the difference. The new probes appear to fix the problem as I have not had one issue with them. I also have some skin friction heat caused by the speed of my plane that increases the heat of the exhaust. That is most likely the problem :) Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Bob Leffler Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 4:43:50 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT probes Scott, How do you determine which ones are the higher quality? I only see reference to a standard set of probes on their site. Thanks, Bob From:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes I have now replaced all six probes after 650 hours of flying. If you have not flown I would return everyone of them and get the higher quality probe that GRT offers. So far, no problems with them. -Scott Schmidt ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:45 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes I think mine are 2" or so. When mine do go bad I'll just get 6 new ones and the good ones then. But for now I'm a happy camper. I think you're right about the skin friction heat....that's the hot tunnel reason too. Have you noticed your wing leading edges glow slightly orange at night too? Tim On May 17, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Scott Schmidt wrote: > Bob, Sandy just mentioned that they offered a higher temp option > when I called the first time. And $10 > > I am not sure why I have had probe problems Tim and you have not. I > do have ceramic coated exhaust that may store more heat inside the > system. I also located my probes as close as the plans discussed to > the cylinders (I think that was 2.5"). > If I did it again I would probably locate them further down the > exhaust, maybe that would make the difference. The new probes > appear to fix the problem as I have not had one issue with them. > > I also have some skin friction heat caused by the speed of my plane > that increases the heat of the exhaust. That is most likely the > problem :) > > Scott Schmidt > scottmschmidt@yahoo.com > > > From: Bob Leffler > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 4:43:50 PM > Subject: RE: RV10-List: GRT probes > > > Scott, > > How do you determine which ones are the higher quality? > > I only see reference to a standard set of probes on their site. > > Thanks, > > Bob > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:35 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: GRT probes > > I have now replaced all six probes after 650 hours of flying. > If you have not flown I would return everyone of them and get the > higher quality probe that GRT offers. So far, no problems with them. > > -Scott Schmidt > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.