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4. 09:06 AM - Continental Motors Reveals Jet-A-Burning (Robin Marks)
5. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: Contact for Loehle products ()
6. 09:14 AM - Precision Grommets (jayb)
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8. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Contact for Loehle products (christopher johnston)
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10. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Contact for Loehle products (Jeff Carpenter)
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| Subject: | Re: Contact for Loehle products |
I did make contact with Sandy and placed an order. Thanks all.
I'm going to use their Wonderfill product and filler for the initial FG
prep. I'm still on the fence on urethane paint - single stage versus
base/clear coat (Loehle). Single stage just seems easier with
comparable results. However, I'd love to re-finish my Maule with
Loehle's product but I'm just dreaming...
Bill.
Miller John wrote:
>
> Not true.
>
> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>
> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>
> grumpy
> N184JM
>
> On May 19, 2010, at 8:18 PM, johngoodman wrote:
>
>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Bill,
>> I tried for two months with no results. I do know that the principal
>> owner died and that it was a family owned/operated business. I
>> finally gave up under the assumption that the business is apparently
>> falling apart.
>> John
>>
>> --------
>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
>> N711JG reserved
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298244#298244
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Contact for Loehle products |
Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear coat.
Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It kind
of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the aircraft
line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended some
of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying they
were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto paint
from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package and
is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel comfortable
working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
what I'm trying to do.
Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
looking forward to the challenge" Watson
Rick wrote:
>
> I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
> and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but we
> kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the paint
> buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
> middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
> the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
> can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
> product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
> stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
> use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
> back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
> The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
> know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Grumpy,
>> I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely responding
>> to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my
>> assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
>> John
>>
>>
>>> Not true.
>>>
>>> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>>>
>>> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>>>
>>> grumpy
>>> N184JM
>>
>>
>> --------
>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
>> N711JG reserved
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298256#298256
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Contact for Loehle products |
I can tell you from personal experience that the paint system really works
well for beginners as well as pros. I have never painted before and my -10
is coming out really well. i was concerned about the orange peel I was gett
ing. But it sands out easily. One of my friends had a pro do his and they j
ust shot the clear coat over the orange peel and it looks great. Unbelievab
le how shiny it gets. I'm using a lot of black (which is the hardest color
to make look good) and it's so shiny with the top coat on you could shave i
n the shine. If I can do it so could most folks. Now if I can find a way to
keep the damn bugs off of it. You'd think it was sugar the way the bugs sh
ow up right after you spray!
> Date: Thu=2C 20 May 2010 11:04:45 -0400
> From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Contact for Loehle products
>
rr.com>
>
> I did make contact with Sandy and placed an order. Thanks all.
>
> I'm going to use their Wonderfill product and filler for the initial FG
> prep. I'm still on the fence on urethane paint - single stage versus
> base/clear coat (Loehle). Single stage just seems easier with
> comparable results. However=2C I'd love to re-finish my Maule with
> Loehle's product but I'm just dreaming...
>
> Bill.
>
> Miller John wrote:
> >
> > Not true.
> >
> > Mike's dad passed away=2C but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
> >
> > Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
> >
> > grumpy
> > N184JM
> >
> > On May 19=2C 2010=2C at 8:18 PM=2C johngoodman wrote:
> >
> >> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
> >>
> >> Bill=2C
> >> I tried for two months with no results. I do know that the principal
> >> owner died and that it was a family owned/operated business. I
> >> finally gave up under the assumption that the business is apparently
> >> falling apart.
> >> John
> >>
> >> --------
> >> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
> >> N711JG reserved
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298244#298244
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| Subject: | Continental Motors Reveals Jet-A-Burning |
>From Flying Magazine online
Continental Motors Reveals Jet-A-Burning
Piston Slapper
Teledyne Continental Motors (TCM) has unveiled a two-engine project that
will bring jet fuel to the light-aircraft industry. The first, a 230-hp
four-cylinder engine is expected to be certified next year. A follow-on
six-cylinder, 350-hp version could follow as soon as two years later. TCM
said the engine program stems from acquired technology =97 but would not
identify which European company the already certified engine technology cam
e
from. (According to an article on AvWeb, the TCM engine bears a striking
resemblance to the SMA SR305.) Under the license agreement with the origina
l
maker, TCM now has free rein to further develop the existing engine as it
sees fit. The company has said it expects the new engines to cost not much
more than their gasoline-burning counterparts in the same power range. TCM'
s
version is currently undergoing tests on a static test stand and in flight
on a Cessna 182 Skylane. Specific fuel consumption (sfc) of the new engines
is said to be in the .36 range.
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| Subject: | Re: Contact for Loehle products |
Their paint is a two part polyurethane with an optional clear coat. I do recommend
the clear coat for durability and overall shine and the ability to sand and
polish any blemishes. The paint has pretty high solid count and requires precise
thinning with the correct temp thinner. I can tell you if you try to spray
with the temps in the 80's with thinner rated at 75 you can't just add more
thinner, you need to buy thinner from them for 80 degrees. More of a hassle than
anything. I started painting in mid April and finished the first part of June.
In Las Vegas that meant I needed four different temperature ranges of thinner.
I think their product is OK, I do think there are better options out there
if for the only reason to have a local supplier and technical source nearby.
I have shot several other systems and unless I read their application instructions
wrong it was one of the most temperamental paints I've used. Standard basecoat/clearcoat
is a flat color, high gloss clear. Loehle is NOT a standard basecoat/clearcoat.
Their clear is much thicker than normal but it really shot
OK, DuPont clearcoat is thinner and you need some practice to get it to flow just
right before it runs, but it's not that bad. One thing about painting airplanes
vs. cars I've done, there are a bunch more sides/corners/concave/convex
surfaces to deal with, a hose tender/painting partner a must, and I credit my
success to my friend Shane McMurray. He has been a painter for years and without
his help I don't know if we could have overcome the initial orange peel. I
thought maybe it was the spray rig but we painted the wheel pants with DuPont
single stage poly and they came our great. Grumpys plane looks fantastic and Mike
knows his product best and that played a big factor. The best part about painting
myself is the paint job cost me just under $4000.00 in material, that
includes building a paint booth from PVC and visqueen and lots of masking and
sanding materials. It also took twice as long as I thought. So to make a long
story shor!
t. I wou
ld use another product next time, but I do like the filler, and you have options
on that as well.
http://www.anac.com/products/DataSheets/28c1.pdf
Rick Sked
N246RS
---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
> their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
> just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear coat.
>
> Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It kind
> of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
> valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
> another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the aircraft
> line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
> doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended some
> of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying they
> were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
> aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto paint
> from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
>
> Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package and
> is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel comfortable
> working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
> what I'm trying to do.
>
> Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
> Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
>
> Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
> looking forward to the challenge" Watson
>
> Rick wrote:
> >
> > I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
> > and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but we
> > kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the paint
> > buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
> > middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
> > the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
> > can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
> > product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
> > stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
> > use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
> > back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
> > The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
> > know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
> >
> > Rick Sked
> > N246RS
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
> >>
> >> Grumpy,
> >> I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely responding
> >> to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my
> >> assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>> Not true.
> >>>
> >>> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
> >>>
> >>> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
> >>>
> >>> grumpy
> >>> N184JM
> >>
> >>
> >> --------
> >> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
> >> N711JG reserved
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298256#298256
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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| Subject: | Precision Grommets |
I recently bought a stainless grommet to use as a firewall passthru from Precision
Grommets. It was in a spot where nothing else would fit due to other stuff
being in the way.
The part arrived a week ahead of the expected delivery date and the quality is
very impressive.
www.precision-grommets.com
Regards,
Jay
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298331#298331
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Grommets |
Very nice!!
Wish I had known them a few years ago!!
Rick
---- jayb <jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I recently bought a stainless grommet to use as a firewall passthru from Precision
Grommets. It was in a spot where nothing else would fit due to other stuff
being in the way.
>
> The part arrived a week ahead of the expected delivery date and the quality is
very impressive.
>
> www.precision-grommets.com
>
> Regards,
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298331#298331
>
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| Subject: | Re: Contact for Loehle products |
Can you use Lohle's primer and a standard single stage poly over it?
I asked Lohle when I spoke with them, but they were obviously pushing
the use of their paint. I really like their wonderfill and primer,
but I've heard mixed reviews about the paint. I'm a fairly poor
painter (you can tell when I've painted a car, because my signature -
a nice big run - is usually in evidence) and I need all the help I can
get with ease of use.
c
On May 20, 2010, at 9:06 AM, ricksked@cox.net wrote:
>
> Their paint is a two part polyurethane with an optional clear coat.
> I do recommend the clear coat for durability and overall shine and
> the ability to sand and polish any blemishes. The paint has pretty
> high solid count and requires precise thinning with the correct temp
> thinner. I can tell you if you try to spray with the temps in the
> 80's with thinner rated at 75 you can't just add more thinner, you
> need to buy thinner from them for 80 degrees. More of a hassle than
> anything. I started painting in mid April and finished the first
> part of June. In Las Vegas that meant I needed four different
> temperature ranges of thinner. I think their product is OK, I do
> think there are better options out there if for the only reason to
> have a local supplier and technical source nearby. I have shot
> several other systems and unless I read their application
> instructions wrong it was one of the most temperamental paints I've
> used. Standard basecoat/clearcoat is a flat color, high gloss clear. !
> Loehle is NOT a standard basecoat/clearcoat. Their clear is much
> thicker than normal but it really shot OK, DuPont clearcoat is
> thinner and you need some practice to get it to flow just right
> before it runs, but it's not that bad. One thing about painting
> airplanes vs. cars I've done, there are a bunch more sides/corners/
> concave/convex surfaces to deal with, a hose tender/painting partner
> a must, and I credit my success to my friend Shane McMurray. He has
> been a painter for years and without his help I don't know if we
> could have overcome the initial orange peel. I thought maybe it was
> the spray rig but we painted the wheel pants with DuPont single
> stage poly and they came our great. Grumpys plane looks fantastic
> and Mike knows his product best and that played a big factor. The
> best part about painting myself is the paint job cost me just under
> $4000.00 in material, that includes building a paint booth from PVC
> and visqueen and lots of masking and sanding materials. It also!
> took twice as long as I thought. So to make a long story shor!
> t. I wou
> ld use another product next time, but I do like the filler, and you
> have options on that as well.
>
> http://www.anac.com/products/DataSheets/28c1.pdf
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS
> ---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
>> their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
>> just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear
>> coat.
>>
>> Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It
>> kind
>> of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
>> valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
>> another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the
>> aircraft
>> line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
>> doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended
>> some
>> of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying
>> they
>> were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
>> aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto
>> paint
>> from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
>>
>> Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package
>> and
>> is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel
>> comfortable
>> working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
>> what I'm trying to do.
>>
>> Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
>> Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
>>
>> Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
>> looking forward to the challenge" Watson
>>
>> Rick wrote:
>>>
>>> I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
>>> and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but
>>> we
>>> kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the
>>> paint
>>> buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
>>> middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
>>> the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
>>> can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
>>> product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
>>> stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
>>> use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
>>> back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
>>> The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
>>> know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
>>>
>>> Rick Sked
>>> N246RS
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>>>>
>>>> Grumpy,
>>>> I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely
>>>> responding
>>>> to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my
>>>> assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>>>>>
>>>>> grumpy
>>>>> N184JM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
>>>> N711JG reserved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298256#298256
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Chris Johnston (CJ)
Re-recording Mixer
POP Sound
625 Arizona Ave.
Santa Monica, CA 90401
310.587.1255 (direct)
310.587.1222 (fax)
cjohnston@popsound.com
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| Subject: | Re: Contact for Loehle products |
I used a DuPont over their primer on the pants...BUT....Every paint manufacturer
out there will tell you to not mix brands, I did a test and it worked, and I
may have been just lucky I picked a paint that did work...YMMV. My advice is
pick a system and use only that brand of paint from start to finish.
Rick
---- christopher johnston <CJohnston@popsound.com> wrote:
> Can you use Lohle's primer and a standard single stage poly over it?
> I asked Lohle when I spoke with them, but they were obviously pushing
> the use of their paint. I really like their wonderfill and primer,
> but I've heard mixed reviews about the paint. I'm a fairly poor
> painter (you can tell when I've painted a car, because my signature -
> a nice big run - is usually in evidence) and I need all the help I can
> get with ease of use.
>
> c
>
> On May 20, 2010, at 9:06 AM, ricksked@cox.net wrote:
>
> >
> > Their paint is a two part polyurethane with an optional clear coat.
> > I do recommend the clear coat for durability and overall shine and
> > the ability to sand and polish any blemishes. The paint has pretty
> > high solid count and requires precise thinning with the correct temp
> > thinner. I can tell you if you try to spray with the temps in the
> > 80's with thinner rated at 75 you can't just add more thinner, you
> > need to buy thinner from them for 80 degrees. More of a hassle than
> > anything. I started painting in mid April and finished the first
> > part of June. In Las Vegas that meant I needed four different
> > temperature ranges of thinner. I think their product is OK, I do
> > think there are better options out there if for the only reason to
> > have a local supplier and technical source nearby. I have shot
> > several other systems and unless I read their application
> > instructions wrong it was one of the most temperamental paints I've
> > used. Standard basecoat/clearcoat is a flat color, high gloss clear. !
> > Loehle is NOT a standard basecoat/clearcoat. Their clear is much
> > thicker than normal but it really shot OK, DuPont clearcoat is
> > thinner and you need some practice to get it to flow just right
> > before it runs, but it's not that bad. One thing about painting
> > airplanes vs. cars I've done, there are a bunch more sides/corners/
> > concave/convex surfaces to deal with, a hose tender/painting partner
> > a must, and I credit my success to my friend Shane McMurray. He has
> > been a painter for years and without his help I don't know if we
> > could have overcome the initial orange peel. I thought maybe it was
> > the spray rig but we painted the wheel pants with DuPont single
> > stage poly and they came our great. Grumpys plane looks fantastic
> > and Mike knows his product best and that played a big factor. The
> > best part about painting myself is the paint job cost me just under
> > $4000.00 in material, that includes building a paint booth from PVC
> > and visqueen and lots of masking and sanding materials. It also!
> > took twice as long as I thought. So to make a long story shor!
> > t. I wou
> > ld use another product next time, but I do like the filler, and you
> > have options on that as well.
> >
> > http://www.anac.com/products/DataSheets/28c1.pdf
> >
> > Rick Sked
> > N246RS
> > ---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
> >> their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
> >> just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear
> >> coat.
> >>
> >> Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It
> >> kind
> >> of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
> >> valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
> >> another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the
> >> aircraft
> >> line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
> >> doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended
> >> some
> >> of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying
> >> they
> >> were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
> >> aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto
> >> paint
> >> from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
> >>
> >> Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package
> >> and
> >> is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel
> >> comfortable
> >> working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
> >> what I'm trying to do.
> >>
> >> Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
> >> Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
> >>
> >> Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
> >> looking forward to the challenge" Watson
> >>
> >> Rick wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
> >>> and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but
> >>> we
> >>> kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the
> >>> paint
> >>> buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
> >>> middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
> >>> the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
> >>> can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
> >>> product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
> >>> stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
> >>> use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
> >>> back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
> >>> The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
> >>> know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
> >>>
> >>> Rick Sked
> >>> N246RS
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> Grumpy,
> >>>> I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely
> >>>> responding
> >>>> to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my
> >>>> assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Not true.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> grumpy
> >>>>> N184JM
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --------
> >>>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
> >>>> N711JG reserved
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298256#298256
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Chris Johnston (CJ)
> Re-recording Mixer
> POP Sound
> 625 Arizona Ave.
> Santa Monica, CA 90401
> 310.587.1255 (direct)
> 310.587.1222 (fax)
> cjohnston@popsound.com
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Contact for Loehle products |
I'd like to chime in here.
I am using Loehle's system, though I haven't shot any of the topcoat
or clear yet so I certainly can't comment on that aspect of it. I
chose Loehle because of his well written, easy to understand
"homebuilder" centric documents on painting both fiberglass and
aluminum airplanes and for his willingness to spend time on the phone
with me answering all of my finicky little questions. Though I
haven't called in 6 weeks or so, I've never had a problem getting
ahold of him or having a call returned in a reasonable amount of time,
and I plan to reward that service with as much business as I can give
him. For me, Loehle is to paint what Sein is to the panel.
Please take what I say here knowing that I've got no prior painting
experience... so nothing to compare this to, but one thing I have
learned is that your ability to see high/low and rough spots is half
the battle. Loehle's high build black primer for use on fiberglass
parts made those spots stand out like a sore thumb. I have found that
to be easily as valuable as the Wonder-fil.
Loehle also started out formulating for painting fabric covered
planes, so the paint is very flexible. Again, I've got nothing to
compare this to, but I used Loehle's black as a base coat for the
Zolatone I shot on the interior of my plane. I tested for
compatibility by shooting that combination on a .008 20" x 26"
aluminum plate (I've got a printing business). I can roll that thing
in to a small tube with no signs of cracking.
Anyway, there's my two cents. I'll report back when I shoot the
topcoat. I'm guessing I'll have an easier time of it than Rick, where
here in So Cal the temps are a bit more moderate than Lost Wages.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On May 20, 2010, at 9:06 AM, <ricksked@cox.net> <ricksked@cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Their paint is a two part polyurethane with an optional clear coat.
> I do recommend the clear coat for durability and overall shine and
> the ability to sand and polish any blemishes. The paint has pretty
> high solid count and requires precise thinning with the correct temp
> thinner. I can tell you if you try to spray with the temps in the
> 80's with thinner rated at 75 you can't just add more thinner, you
> need to buy thinner from them for 80 degrees. More of a hassle than
> anything. I started painting in mid April and finished the first
> part of June. In Las Vegas that meant I needed four different
> temperature ranges of thinner. I think their product is OK, I do
> think there are better options out there if for the only reason to
> have a local supplier and technical source nearby. I have shot
> several other systems and unless I read their application
> instructions wrong it was one of the most temperamental paints I've
> used. Standard basecoat/clearcoat is a flat color, high gloss clear. !
> Loehle is NOT a standard basecoat/clearcoat. Their clear is much
> thicker than normal but it really shot OK, DuPont clearcoat is
> thinner and you need some practice to get it to flow just right
> before it runs, but it's not that bad. One thing about painting
> airplanes vs. cars I've done, there are a bunch more sides/corners/
> concave/convex surfaces to deal with, a hose tender/painting partner
> a must, and I credit my success to my friend Shane McMurray. He has
> been a painter for years and without his help I don't know if we
> could have overcome the initial orange peel. I thought maybe it was
> the spray rig but we painted the wheel pants with DuPont single
> stage poly and they came our great. Grumpys plane looks fantastic
> and Mike knows his product best and that played a big factor. The
> best part about painting myself is the paint job cost me just under
> $4000.00 in material, that includes building a paint booth from PVC
> and visqueen and lots of masking and sanding materials. It also!
> took twice as long as I thought. So to make a long story shor!
> t. I wou
> ld use another product next time, but I do like the filler, and you
> have options on that as well.
>
> http://www.anac.com/products/DataSheets/28c1.pdf
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS
> ---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
>> their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
>> just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear
>> coat.
>>
>> Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It
>> kind
>> of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
>> valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
>> another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the
>> aircraft
>> line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
>> doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended
>> some
>> of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying
>> they
>> were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
>> aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto
>> paint
>> from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
>>
>> Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package
>> and
>> is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel
>> comfortable
>> working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
>> what I'm trying to do.
>>
>> Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
>> Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
>>
>> Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
>> looking forward to the challenge" Watson
>>
>> Rick wrote:
>>>
>>> I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
>>> and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but
>>> we
>>> kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the
>>> paint
>>> buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
>>> middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
>>> the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
>>> can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
>>> product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
>>> stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
>>> use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
>>> back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
>>> The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
>>> know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
>>>
>>> Rick Sked
>>> N246RS
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
>>>>
>>>> Grumpy,
>>>> I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely
>>>> responding
>>>> to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my
>>>> assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>>>>>
>>>>> grumpy
>>>>> N184JM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
>>>> N711JG reserved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298256#298256
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cabin cover/tailcone joint |
>From what I have seen, most guys are glassing over the joint between the aft cabin
cover and the tailcone joint.
I haven't yet found guidance for that in the plans anywhere. Is there guidance
somewhere that I haven't found or is it builder's choice?
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin cover/tailcone joint |
Builders Choice.
Deems Davis
On 5/20/2010 2:38 PM, woxofswa wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "woxofswa"<woxof@aol.com>
>
> > From what I have seen, most guys are glassing over the joint between the aft
cabin cover and the tailcone joint.
>
> I haven't yet found guidance for that in the plans anywhere. Is there guidance
somewhere that I haven't found or is it builder's choice?
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298362#298362
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| Subject: | Cabin cover/tailcone joint |
You might want to consider glassing over all the rivets (solids or blinds)
imbedded in fiberglass (lid and cowl?). If you don't, you can count on
seeing them again in about a hundred hours or so. Rivet heads will pop
through the paint.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 2:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Cabin cover/tailcone joint
>From what I have seen, most guys are glassing over the joint between the
aft cabin cover and the tailcone joint.
I haven't yet found guidance for that in the plans anywhere. Is there
guidance somewhere that I haven't found or is it builder's choice?
--------
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin cover/tailcone joint |
You'll discover that there's a tiny angle change there anyway. Perfect for filling.
Just run a couple of strips of tape a couple of inches away on either side
for a stop so you don't have "feathering to infinity."
John
--------
#40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Need a frank answer |
Just to close this thread, I talked to tech support at Van's today. Short answer
is: It's a VFR airplane, but if you guys want an IFR panel, you will have
to cut some metal out of the sub-panel. There is no set rule, but the builder/engineer/god-like-creature
must ensure that any resulting weakness due to cutting,
is replaced with an equivalent structural integrity.
"nough said - I'm cutting away what I need and putting in some impressive metal
support that would make a structural engineer cry (in a good way).
John
--------
#40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Door handle label |
Group,
Working to get the DAR out in a few days and one of the things he's mentioned
is labeling in general but particularly labeling the "exit" sign :)
Does anyone have any pictures of how you may have labeled the door handle? I have
standard Vans setup. I'm guessing it'll be something like "push here" - Pull
up.
Thanks... getting close.
Doug
--------
Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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| Subject: | Re: Door handle label |
My DAR never asked; no labels . I brief passengers about how to unlock
seatbelts and we go to great lengths to demonstrate the door and pin check,
Feel them all once before engine start and once before takeoff.
----- Original Message -----
From: "n277dl" <dljinia@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Door handle label
>
> Group,
> Working to get the DAR out in a few days and one of the things he's
> mentioned is labeling in general but particularly labeling the "exit" sign
> :)
>
> Does anyone have any pictures of how you may have labeled the door handle?
> I have standard Vans setup. I'm guessing it'll be something like "push
> here" - Pull up.
>
> Thanks... getting close.
>
> Doug
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will
> always find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298378#298378
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need a frank answer |
I noticed the ones that Bob Newman at TCW put into his RV-10. They look
machined and very nice. Too bad they don't sell them.
I think you could make something out of =BE" angle and do okay. But
these sure would be nice.
Here's the link....
http://picasaweb.google.com/rcnewman64/InstrumentPanel#
And a few sneak peeks...
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: johngoodman [mailto:johngoodman@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 6:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Need a frank answer
<johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Just to close this thread, I talked to tech support at Van's today.
Short answer is: It's a VFR airplane, but if you guys want an IFR
panel, you will have to cut some metal out of the sub-panel. There is no
set rule, but the builder/engineer/god-like-creature must ensure that
any resulting weakness due to cutting, is replaced with an equivalent
structural integrity.
"nough said - I'm cutting away what I need and putting in some
impressive metal support that would make a structural engineer cry (in
a good way).
John
--------
#40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Need a frank answer |
John, just remember that you'll carry the added weight of the
'impressive metal support' forever. I added a 1/2" aluminum angle where
I wanted the additional stiffness, and it serves as a 'shelf' for the
bottom tray. Also, think about the magnitude of stress (deceleration)
in which your mod would make a difference .......
Linn .... hoping I don't open it up again
do not archive
johngoodman wrote:
>
> Just to close this thread, I talked to tech support at Van's today. Short answer
is: It's a VFR airplane, but if you guys want an IFR panel, you will have
to cut some metal out of the sub-panel. There is no set rule, but the builder/engineer/god-like-creature
must ensure that any resulting weakness due to cutting,
is replaced with an equivalent structural integrity.
> "nough said - I'm cutting away what I need and putting in some impressive metal
support that would make a structural engineer cry (in a good way).
>
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
> N711JG reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298377#298377
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door handle label |
This is part of what bugs me about some DARs that charge so much for
their 'service'. That label has absolutely no bearing on the airplanes
airworthiness.
I'd put a label on each door .... your example should be OK ..... and
then they'd magically disappear after the inspection.
Having said that, ingress and egress should be covered for your
passengers each time. Add it to your checklists.
Linn
do not archive
n277dl wrote:
>
> Group,
> Working to get the DAR out in a few days and one of the things he's mentioned
is labeling in general but particularly labeling the "exit" sign :)
>
> Does anyone have any pictures of how you may have labeled the door handle? I
have standard Vans setup. I'm guessing it'll be something like "push here" -
Pull up.
>
> Thanks... getting close.
>
> Doug
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298378#298378
>
>
>
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