---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/24/10: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:39 AM - Mag Gasket tear (gary) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: Mag Gasket tear (Carl Froehlich) 3. 07:45 AM - Re: Mag Gasket tear (Lew Gallagher) 4. 08:32 AM - Re: Mag Gasket tear (Kevin Belue) 5. 08:33 AM - Re: Mag Gasket tear (Kevin Belue) 6. 08:55 AM - Re: Mag Gasket tear (Kelly McMullen) 7. 09:36 AM - Re: Mag Gasket tear (Kevin Belue) 8. 10:11 AM - Re: iPad adapters (Fred Williams, M.D.) 9. 10:57 AM - Re: iPad adapters (Tim Olson) 10. 11:22 AM - Re: TT Hours? (Jim Combs) 11. 11:37 AM - Re: TT Hours? (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 12. 11:48 AM - Re: Cowl/engine interference? (Dave Saylor) 13. 11:52 AM - TT hours (Sheldon Olesen) 14. 12:01 PM - Re: TT Hours? (Tim Olson) 15. 12:25 PM - Re: TT Hours? (Don McDonald) 16. 12:53 PM - Re: TT Hours? (Jeff Carpenter) 17. 12:55 PM - Re: TT Hours? (John Cox) 18. 01:58 PM - Re: TT Hours? (Ben Westfall) 19. 02:05 PM - Front tire make (Tim Olson) 20. 02:34 PM - Re: Front tire make (Rob Kochman) 21. 02:38 PM - Re: Cowl/engine interference? (Rob Kochman) 22. 02:38 PM - Re: Front tire make (Seano) 23. 04:07 PM - step drills etc (Rick and Sandra Lark) 24. 04:19 PM - Re: step drills etc () 25. 04:55 PM - Trim Cable Attach Bracket (Sean Stephens) 26. 05:03 PM - Re: Trim Cable Attach Bracket (David Maib) 27. 05:07 PM - Re: Trim Cable Attach Bracket (Perry, Phil) 28. 05:14 PM - Re: Trim Cable Attach Bracket (Sean Stephens) 29. 05:36 PM - Re: step drills etc (Carl Froehlich) 30. 05:43 PM - Re: Front tire make (Tim Olson) 31. 06:58 PM - Re: step drills etc (rv10flyer) 32. 07:20 PM - Re: step drills etc (Rick and Sandra Lark) 33. 07:40 PM - Re: Front tire make (Tim Olson) 34. 07:57 PM - Re: step drills etc (Rick and Sandra Lark) 35. 08:03 PM - Re: Front tire make (Rick) 36. 08:09 PM - Re: Front tire make (Seano) 37. 08:23 PM - Re: Front tire make (Tim Olson) 38. 08:25 PM - Re: step drills etc (Tim Olson) 39. 08:25 PM - Re: step drills etc (Kelly McMullen) 40. 08:29 PM - Re: Front tire make (Kelly McMullen) 41. 08:36 PM - Re: step drills etc (Bill Mauledriver Watson) 42. 09:09 PM - Re: Front tire make (Tim Olson) 43. 09:09 PM - Re: step drills etc (Rick) 44. 09:31 PM - Re: step drills etc (Bill Mauledriver Watson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:34 AM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear Over the years I have seen in several different airplanes that when you try to retime the mags, rotating the mag tears the gasket, it leaks and you have to replace it. Has anyone found a great solution to that problem? What about coating the gasket during install with fuel lube or antisieze? Any thoughts? Gary Specketer ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:50 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear Yes. Put a thin coat of Tite Seal on both sides of the gasket. Tite Seal is available at Aircraft Spruce. It also works great for any threaded connection. Tite Seal does not harden. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/titesealit.php Carl Froehlich RV-8A (540 hrs) RV-10 (systems install) From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:35 AM Subject: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear Over the years I have seen in several different airplanes that when you try to retime the mags, rotating the mag tears the gasket, it leaks and you have to replace it. Has anyone found a great solution to that problem? What about coating the gasket during install with fuel lube or antisieze? Any thoughts? Gary Specketer ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:27 AM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear Hey Gary, If the other guys have experience with the lube on the mag gasket, you probably want to go with that. Just another idea, on car engines (old Jaguar's are notorious for gasket failures because over time they move, not break) I've learned to use the 3M emblem glue (gorilla snot) on the engine side of the gasket, and RTV (gold, black, red - depending on heat) on the removable side of the gasket. A tap with a chisel breaks the RTV seal, and the timing cover, mag, whatever should pop right off leaving the gasket intact. If replacing the gasket after gluing it on, I use a gasket scraper, then polish it with the "brillo" pad in the die grinder. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: gary To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:34 AM Subject: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear Over the years I have seen in several different airplanes that when you try to retime the mags, rotating the mag tears the gasket, it leaks and you have to replace it. Has anyone found a great solution to that problem? What about coating the gasket during install with fuel lube or antisieze? Any thoughts? Gary Specketer ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:50 AM PST US From: Kevin Belue Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear I use fuel lube on both sides of the mag gasket and it allows me to move it with tearing. Kevin Belue Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2010, at 7:34 AM, "gary" wrote: > Over the years I have seen in several different airplanes that when > you try to retime the mags, rotating the mag tears the gasket, it > leaks and you have to replace it. Has anyone found a great solution > to that problem? What about coating the gasket during install with > fuel lube or antisieze? Any thoughts? > > > Gary Specketer > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:22 AM PST US From: Kevin Belue Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear I use fuel lube on both sides of the mag gasket and it allows me to move it with tearing. Kevin Belue Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2010, at 7:34 AM, "gary" wrote: > Over the years I have seen in several different airplanes that when > you try to retime the mags, rotating the mag tears the gasket, it > leaks and you have to replace it. Has anyone found a great solution > to that problem? What about coating the gasket during install with > fuel lube or antisieze? Any thoughts? > > > Gary Specketer > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear From: Kelly McMullen I would avoid this recommendation. Stick with Titeseal or fuel lube. You do NOT want to glue the gasket to the accessory case. Good way to get the aluminum parting surface damaged when you need the gasket removed. I would not use any RTV where it is exposed to oil like at this surface. RTV+oil equals a gooey mess that will leak. Totally different from an auto engine made of cast iron and steel where you can scrape gaskets off to your hearts content. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > Hey Gary, > > If the other guys have experience with the lube on the mag gasket, you > probably want to go with that. > > Just another idea, on car engines (old Jaguar's are notorious for gasket > failures because over time they move, not break) I've learned to use the 3M > emblem glue (gorilla snot)on the engine side of the gasket, and RTV (gold, > black, red - depending on heat) on the removable side of the gasket. A tap > with a chisel breaks the RTV seal, and the timing cover, mag, whatever > should pop right off leaving the gasket intact. If replacing the gasket > after gluing it on, I use a gasket scraper, then polish it with the "brillo" > pad in the die grinder. > > Later, - Lew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gary > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:34 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear > > Over the years I have seen in several different airplanes that when you try > to retime the mags, rotating the mag tears the gasket, it leaks and you have > to replace it. Has anyone found a great solution to that problem? What > about coating the gasket during install with fuel lube or antisieze? Any > thoughts? > > > Gary Specketer > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:55 AM PST US From: Kevin Belue Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mag Gasket tear Sorry- I meant without tearing. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Kevin Belue wrote: > I use fuel lube on both sides of the mag gasket and it allows me to > move it with tearing. > > Kevin Belue > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2010, at 7:34 AM, "gary" wrote: > >> Over the years I have seen in several different airplanes that when >> you try to retime the mags, rotating the mag tears the gasket, it >> leaks and you have to replace it. Has anyone found a great >> solution to that problem? What about coating the gasket during >> install with fuel lube or antisieze? Any thoughts? >> >> >> >> Gary Specketer >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:19 AM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: iPad adapters Most pads come with peel off wax paper and they stick right to your shorts. Dr Fred :-) Miller John wrote: > > Anyone remember the website that advertised kneeboard holder for the > iPad? > > grumpy > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:57:50 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: iPad adapters When I named mine, I named it "Max". Max iPad. Just run those letters together. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: > > > Most pads come with peel off wax paper and they stick right to your shorts. > Dr Fred :-) > > > Miller John wrote: >> >> Anyone remember the website that advertised kneeboard holder for the >> iPad? >> >> grumpy >> >> do not archive >> >> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: TT Hours? From: Jim Combs N312F -> 170 hours On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Jesse Saint wrote: > Speaking of hours, how many hours are people up to? Tim? Scott? Randy? > We're at around 850 on N256H. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > Cell: 352-427-0285 > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > On May 23, 2010, at 6:32 PM, John Cox wrote: > > There were a lot fewer than 1000 hours on N220RV and a lot of history that > went with the creation of the SB. Just glad no one else found any. John > #40600 > > > -- Sent from my Palm Pre > > ------------------------------ > On May 23, 2010 12:28 PM, DLM wrote: > > While giving a biannual to a friend in the 10 this morning, we were > stalling the aircraft. At times we got slow enough to get the prestall > buffet. When I looked back at the right hoizontal stab and elevator, I could > see a lot of movement. Considering that the IO360 RV10 (220RV?) had 1000+ > hours of landings and stalls in training, this may be a reason for the > cracks forming. We inspect each annual and have found no cracks or even > wrinkles. > > We also found that the aircraft becomes slightly unstable near the stall > prior to the buffet and a slight sink rate developes, therefore we plan to > use this to avoid the pre stall buffet and subsequent shaking of the tail. > > Stall occurred at 53 KIAS with half flaps and 2400# > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:45 AM PST US From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: TT Hours? N442PM > 140 hours Bob ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:05 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cowl/engine interference? Rob, I remember lowering the spider for the same reason. I think I just turned the bracket over and trimmed as necessary. Lots of room now. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > Just did the cowl fitting this weekend, and it looks like I have an > interference issue with the mixture arm (Silver Hawk FI system) and cowl. > Anyone else have this problem? I have only about 1/4" clearance, which > doesn't seem like enough. I've heard of interference issues with the FAB, > but not cowl. > > I also have a problem with the fuel line for the #2 cylinder being only > 1/8-1/4" from the top cowl--will be calling Aero Sport about that tomorrow. > > -Rob > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:58 AM PST US From: Sheldon Olesen Subject: RV10-List: TT hours N475PV-- 161 hours Sheldon Olesen ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:26 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: TT Hours? Just over 625 for N104CD. I think Scott's around 650 on N104XP if I remember his last post on it recently. Tim Jesse Saint wrote: > Speaking of hours, how many hours are people up to? Tim? Scott? > Randy? We're at around 850 on N256H. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > Cell: 352-427-0285 > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > On May 23, 2010, at 6:32 PM, John Cox wrote: > >> There were a lot fewer than 1000 hours on N220RV and a lot of history >> that went with the creation of the SB. Just glad no one else found >> any. John #40600 >> >> >> >> -- Sent from my Palm Pre >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> On May 23, 2010 12:28 PM, DLM > > wrote: >> >> While giving a biannual to a friend in the 10 this morning, we were >> stalling the aircraft. At times we got slow enough to get the prestall >> buffet. When I looked back at the right hoizontal stab and elevator, I >> could see a lot of movement. Considering that the IO360 RV10 (220RV?) >> had 1000+ hours of landings and stalls in training, this may be a >> reason for the cracks forming. We inspect each annual and have found >> no cracks or even wrinkles. >> >> We also found that the aircraft becomes slightly unstable near the >> stall prior to the buffet and a slight sink rate developes, therefore >> we plan to use this to avoid the pre stall buffet and subsequent >> shaking of the tail. >> >> Stall occurred at 53 KIAS with half flaps and 2400# > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:25:21 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: RE: RV10-List: TT Hours? Robin and group, looks like it's Texas or bust.... start loading the-2nd trailer Wednesday, should be in Texas by Tuesday.- One less California ta xpayer.- The deficit increases to 19,000,003,000... sorry to those remain ing. N414DM - 148 wonderful hours since first flight-June 9th, 2009. Don McDonald --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: TT Hours? Robin 150 Terrific hours N110EE Down for Alt upgrade to 70A & fixing small exhaust issue. Been flying my TurboLance II. Good plane but not the same thing as an RV. - Robin - From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:30 PM Subject: RV10-List: TT Hours? - Speaking of hours, how many hours are people up to? -Tim? -Scott? -Ra ndy? -We're at around 850 on N256H. - Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 - On May 23, 2010, at 6:32 PM, John Cox wrote: There were a lot fewer than 1000 hours on N220RV and a lot of history that went with the creation of the SB. -Just glad no one else found any. -Jo hn #40600 -- Sent from my Palm Pre On May 23, 2010 12:28 PM, DLM wrote: While giving a biannual to a friend in the 10 this morning, we were stallin g the aircraft. At times we got slow enough to get the prestall buffet. Whe n I looked back at the right hoizontal stab and elevator, I could see a lot of movement. Considering that the IO360 RV10 (220RV?) had 1000+ hours of l andings and stalls in training, this may be a reason for the cracks forming . We inspect each annual and have found no cracks or even wrinkles. We also found that the aircraft becomes slightly unstable near the stall pr ior to the buffet and a slight sink rate developes, therefore we plan to us e this to avoid the pre stall buffet and subsequent shaking of the tail. Stall occurred at 53 KIAS with half flaps and 2400# --= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browseDay Browse, Ch at, FAQ,w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?RV1====================== =m">http://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution= ======================-=0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:52 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: TT Hours? apology not accepted Jeff Carpenter 40304 Do Not Archive On May 24, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Don McDonald wrote: > Robin and group, looks like it's Texas or bust.... start loading the > 2nd trailer Wednesday, should be in Texas by Tuesday. One less > California taxpayer. The deficit increases to 19,000,003,000... > sorry to those remaining. > N414DM - 148 wonderful hours since first flight June 9th, 2009. > Don McDonald > > --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Robin Marks wrote: > > From: Robin Marks > Subject: RE: RV10-List: TT Hours? > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 6:22 PM > > Robin 150 Terrific hours > > N110EE Down for Alt upgrade to 70A & fixing small exhaust issue. > > Been flying my TurboLance II. Good plane but not the same thing as > an RV. > > > Robin > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:30 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: TT Hours? > > > Speaking of hours, how many hours are people up to? Tim? Scott? > Randy? We're at around 850 on N256H. > > > Jesse Saint > > Saint Aviation, Inc. > > jesse@saintaviation.com > > Cell: 352-427-0285 > > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > > On May 23, 2010, at 6:32 PM, John Cox wrote: > > > There were a lot fewer than 1000 hours on N220RV and a lot of > history that went with the creation of the SB. Just glad no one > else found any. John #40600 > > > -- Sent from my Palm Pre > > > On May 23, 2010 12:28 PM, DLM wrote: > > While giving a biannual to a friend in the 10 this morning, we were > stalling the aircraft. At times we got slow enough to get the > prestall buffet. When I looked back at the right hoizontal stab and > elevator, I could see a lot of movement. Considering that the IO360 > RV10 (220RV?) had 1000+ hours of landings and stalls in training, > this may be a reason for the cracks forming. We inspect each annual > and have found no cracks or even wrinkles. > > We also found that the aircraft becomes slightly unstable near the > stall prior to the buffet and a slight sink rate developes, > therefore we plan to use this to avoid the pre stall buffet and > subsequent shaking of the tail. > > Stall occurred at 53 KIAS with half flaps and 2400# > > > = Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse > Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1 > ====================== > m">http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ====================== > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:44 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: TT Hours? From: "John Cox" Don, your one of the more intelligent ones. Oregon is flooded with Californian's who migrated. My parent's packed us up for the pilgrimage in 1957. In 1973, then Governor McCall coined the phrase "Don't Californicate Oregon". It did not work. Two of my buddies from the Coldwell Banker Commercial office in Seattle posted a Billboard along I-5 near Boeing Field in 1972 that read "Would the last one leaving Seattle, turn out the lights". The former mayor of LA says today that the city will be bankrupt by 2014 and need federal taxpayer assistance to pay the outflows of wages, benefits and giveaways to the needy too stubborn to leave. When you build a mile of road you can drive for just a mile. When you build a mile of runway, you can fly your RV-10 Anywhere. John From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: TT Hours? Robin and group, looks like it's Texas or bust.... start loading the 2nd trailer Wednesday, should be in Texas by Tuesday. One less California taxpayer. The deficit increases to 19,000,003,000... sorry to those remaining. N414DM - 148 wonderful hours since first flight June 9th, 2009. Don McDonald = Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? RV1 ====================== m">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ====================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:50 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: TT Hours? John I=92d like to challenge that=85 A =BC to =BD mi ought to be enough :-). -Ben _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: TT Hours? Don, your one of the more intelligent ones. Oregon is flooded with Californian's who migrated. My parent's packed us up for the pilgrimage in 1957. In 1973, then Governor McCall coined the phrase "Don't Californicate Oregon". It did not work. Two of my buddies from the Coldwell Banker Commercial office in Seattle posted a Billboard along I-5 near Boeing Field in 1972 that read "Would the last one leaving Seattle, turn out the lights". The former mayor of LA says today that the city will be bankrupt by 2014 and need federal taxpayer assistance to pay the outflows of wages, benefits and giveaways to the needy too stubborn to leave. When you build a mile of road you can drive for just a mile. When you build a mile of runway, you can fly your RV-10 Anywhere. John From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: TT Hours? Robin and group, looks like it's Texas or bust.... start loading the 2nd trailer Wednesday, should be in Texas by Tuesday. One less California taxpayer. The deficit increases to 19,000,003,000... sorry to those remaining. N414DM - 148 wonderful hours since first flight June 9th, 2009. Don McDonald = Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V1 ====================== m">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ====================== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:58 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Front tire make Does anyone remember what front tire make came with the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good so far I may just buy the same thing again. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front tire make From: Rob Kochman My kit came with "Aero Classic" tires, both nose and mains. -Rob On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Does anyone remember what front tire make came with > the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads > on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I > want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good > so far I may just buy the same thing again. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cowl/engine interference? From: Rob Kochman Thanks, Dave... the spider is fine; it's the "loop up" right before the line goes into the #2 cylinder that's the problem. I figure the line can probably be adjusted/moved, but want to get Aero Sport's take on it, so I don't break anything. Man, your oil door sure is nice :) -Rob On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Dave Saylor < dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote: > Rob, > > I remember lowering the spider for the same reason. I think I just turned > the bracket over and trimmed as necessary. Lots of room now. > > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > >> Just did the cowl fitting this weekend, and it looks like I have an >> interference issue with the mixture arm (Silver Hawk FI system) and cowl. >> Anyone else have this problem? I have only about 1/4" clearance, which >> doesn't seem like enough. I've heard of interference issues with the FAB, >> but not cowl. >> >> I also have a problem with the fuel line for the #2 cylinder being only >> 1/8-1/4" from the top cowl--will be calling Aero Sport about that tomorrow. >> >> -Rob >> >> -- >> Rob Kochman >> RV-10 "Finishing" Kit >> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) >> http://kochman.net/N819K >> >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 "Finishing" Kit Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:53 PM PST US From: "Seano" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front tire make Aero-Classic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:05 PM Subject: RV10-List: Front tire make > > Does anyone remember what front tire make came with > the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads > on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I > want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good > so far I may just buy the same thing again. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:06 PM PST US From: "Rick and Sandra Lark" Subject: RV10-List: step drills etc Hi all I'm just about done with my elevator construction and while I'm waiting for the prosealed trailing edges to set up I went to rivet the trim cable attachment brackets to the cover plates. The plans call out for LP4-3 rivets. I've bought the Cleveland Tools brackets but I can't figure out why solid rivets wouldn't be used here. Can anyone shed some light on why I need to use LP4-3's? Question 2: Can anyone tell me how to properly use a step drill? I've been a woodworker for more than 30 years and have never had a hand tool I couldn't figure out how to use. I've now bought 2 different sized drills thinking the first one was a dud, but can't seem to get the newer one to work worth a d**n either. Case in point, when I tried to drill out the .060" front elevator spar for the snap bushing, I would have bent the spar before I forced it to drill the proper sizes hole. What am I missing???? Regards, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:01 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc Rick, Don't use rivets at all to attach those brackets, use machine screws and stopnuts. You will need to rotate the brackets when rigging the trim, just bolt them up when you have them adjusted. I'm not sure what the problem with the step drill except you ARE drilling an hole first before using the drill right? They don't start holes very well. Rick Sked N246RS Annual time!! ---- Rick and Sandra Lark wrote: > Hi all > > I'm just about done with my elevator construction and while I'm waiting for the prosealed trailing edges to set up I went to rivet the trim cable attachment brackets to the cover plates. The plans call out for LP4-3 rivets. I've bought the Cleveland Tools brackets but I can't figure out why solid rivets wouldn't be used here. Can anyone shed some light on why I need to use LP4-3's? > > Question 2: Can anyone tell me how to properly use a step drill? I've been a woodworker for more than 30 years and have never had a hand tool I couldn't figure out how to use. I've now bought 2 different sized drills thinking the first one was a dud, but can't seem to get the newer one to work worth a d**n either. Case in point, when I tried to drill out the .060" front elevator spar for the snap bushing, I would have bent the spar before I forced it to drill the proper sizes hole. What am I missing???? > > Regards, Rick > > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:06 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Trim Cable Attach Bracket Anywhere to pick up something similar to the CNC'd Trim Cable Attach Bracket that rivethead used to produce? Thanks, Sean #40303 http://rv10.stephensville.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trim Cable Attach Bracket From: David Maib iflyrv10.com David Maib 40559 On May 24, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Anywhere to pick up something similar to the CNC'd Trim Cable Attach Bracket that rivethead used to produce? > > Thanks, > > Sean #40303 > http://rv10.stephensville.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trim Cable Attach Bracket From: "Perry, Phil" http://www.iflyrv10.com -----Original Message----- From: Sean Stephens [mailto:sean@stephensville.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Trim Cable Attach Bracket Anywhere to pick up something similar to the CNC'd Trim Cable Attach Bracket that rivethead used to produce? Thanks, Sean #40303 http://rv10.stephensville.com ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:46 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trim Cable Attach Bracket Many thanks. do not archive On 5/24/10 7:01 PM, David Maib wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: David Maib > > iflyrv10.com > > David Maib > 40559 > > On May 24, 2010, at 7:54 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens >> >> Anywhere to pick up something similar to the CNC'd Trim Cable Attach Bracket that rivethead used to produce? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sean #40303 >> http://rv10.stephensville.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:11 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: step drills etc I would guess you might be using the "Harbor Freight" type step drill. They tend to make rough, less than round holes. I bought a set figuring I could save a few dollars. Big mistake. Try a Unibit brand step drill. Smooth hole every time. If your local Lowes/Home Depot should have them. If not, Cleaveland Tools does: http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/products.asp?dept=21 Carl Froehlich RV-8A (540 hrs) RV-10 (systems install) From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick and Sandra Lark Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:06 PM Subject: RV10-List: step drills etc Hi all I'm just about done with my elevator construction and while I'm waiting for the prosealed trailing edges to set up I went to rivet the trim cable attachment brackets to the cover plates. The plans call out for LP4-3 rivets. I've bought the Cleveland Tools brackets but I can't figure out why solid rivets wouldn't be used here. Can anyone shed some light on why I need to use LP4-3's? Question 2: Can anyone tell me how to properly use a step drill? I've been a woodworker for more than 30 years and have never had a hand tool I couldn't figure out how to use. I've now bought 2 different sized drills thinking the first one was a dud, but can't seem to get the newer one to work worth a d**n either. Case in point, when I tried to drill out the .060" front elevator spar for the snap bushing, I would have bent the spar before I forced it to drill the proper sizes hole. What am I missing???? Regards, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:36 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front tire make Thanks guys. Tim On May 24, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Rob Kochman wrote: > My kit came with "Aero Classic" tires, both nose and mains. > > -Rob > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Does anyone remember what front tire make came with > the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads > on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I > want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good > so far I may just buy the same thing again. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10s List Features Navigator to browse > s.com/Navigator?RV10-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 "Finishing" Kit > Woodinville, WA (near Seattle) > http://kochman.net/N819K > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:30 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: step drills etc From: "rv10flyer" Drill into a piece of scrap first to make sure sizing is accurate or your snap bushings will be loose. My first one was not. I used LP-4's but will change out to screws/miniature nut plates later on. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Grayson, KY Bldr# 40983 Ord complete kit 8/24/09; DB Sch del 11/20/09 Emp 12/01/09-3/14/10 332 hrs Wings 3/14/10- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298801#298801 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:11 PM PST US From: "Rick and Sandra Lark" Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc Hmmm....Yes you're right Carl. Both drills were cheap Harbor Freight type drills. I don't usually go the cheap route when it comes to tools. Not sure now why I even tried. I'll look for a "good" drill. Thx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Froehlich To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: step drills etc I would guess you might be using the "Harbor Freight" type step drill. They tend to make rough, less than round holes. I bought a set figuring I could save a few dollars. Big mistake. Try a Unibit brand step drill. Smooth hole every time. If your local Lowes/Home Depot should have them. If not, Cleaveland Tools does: http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/products.asp?dept=21 Carl Froehlich RV-8A (540 hrs) RV-10 (systems install) From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick and Sandra Lark Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:06 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: step drills etc Hi all I'm just about done with my elevator construction and while I'm waiting for the prosealed trailing edges to set up I went to rivet the trim cable attachment brackets to the cover plates. The plans call out for LP4-3 rivets. I've bought the Cleveland Tools brackets but I can't figure out why solid rivets wouldn't be used here. Can anyone shed some light on why I need to use LP4-3's? Question 2: Can anyone tell me how to properly use a step drill? I've been a woodworker for more than 30 years and have never had a hand tool I couldn't figure out how to use. I've now bought 2 different sized drills thinking the first one was a dud, but can't seem to get the newer one to work worth a d**n either. Case in point, when I tried to drill out the .060" front elevator spar for the snap bushing, I would have bent the spar before I forced it to drill the proper sizes hole. What am I missing???? Regards, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont http://www.matronic================ < - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS via the Web --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web generous nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:20 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front tire make You don't happen to remember if they're the Aero-classic "Vintage" 6-ply or other, do you? I see the Vintage has the tread pattern like mine, whereas the 6-ply "Light Sport" is way cheaper but doesn't have the same tread. I figure the 500-6 6-ply LSA tire would probably be ok on the nose, considering it's for the mains on LSA's, just like Van's does with the 10....the nose tire is the same as the 2-place RV's mains. I'm not sure if Van's consistently sells the same model of tire through all delivery dates, but the LSA is $37 and the Vintage is $73 from Desser...which is where I've always got my tires. Van's sells one in the 50's but doesn't specify which one. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Seano wrote: > > Aero-Classic > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:05 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Front tire make > > >> >> Does anyone remember what front tire make came with >> the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads >> on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I >> want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good >> so far I may just buy the same thing again. >> >> -- >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >> do not archive >> >> ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:06 PM PST US From: "Rick and Sandra Lark" Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc Ok, thx Rick. I kind of wondered about those brackets. I probably will just leave them detached from the cover plates until I start rigging, which appears to be a ways down the road. I have to ask another question. At this point (elevators just about complete), I have 300 man hrs into this project. I noticed on Tim O's web site, he had about 170 hrs at this same point..... I must be really slow or????? How much time did other builders have at this stage? I don't want to set a record as the slowest RV10 build, but still want it done correctly. Maybe I'm a little anal retentive?? All opinions appreciated. Rick Lark #40956 ----- Original Message ----- From: Cc: "Rick and Sandra Lark" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc > Rick, > > Don't use rivets at all to attach those brackets, use machine screws and > stopnuts. You will need to rotate the brackets when rigging the trim, just > bolt them up when you have them adjusted. > > I'm not sure what the problem with the step drill except you ARE drilling > an hole first before using the drill right? They don't start holes very > well. > > Rick Sked > N246RS > Annual time!! > ---- Rick and Sandra Lark wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I'm just about done with my elevator construction and while I'm waiting >> for the prosealed trailing edges to set up I went to rivet the trim cable >> attachment brackets to the cover plates. The plans call out for LP4-3 >> rivets. I've bought the Cleveland Tools brackets but I can't figure out >> why solid rivets wouldn't be used here. Can anyone shed some light on >> why I need to use LP4-3's? >> >> Question 2: Can anyone tell me how to properly use a step drill? I've >> been a woodworker for more than 30 years and have never had a hand tool I >> couldn't figure out how to use. I've now bought 2 different sized drills >> thinking the first one was a dud, but can't seem to get the newer one to >> work worth a d**n either. Case in point, when I tried to drill out the >> .060" front elevator spar for the snap bushing, I would have bent the >> spar before I forced it to drill the proper sizes hole. What am I >> missing???? >> >> Regards, Rick >> >> #40956 >> Southampton, Ont >> > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:53 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front tire make Lol.....Vans supplied them....think "Dutch" and there you will find the answers you seek grasshopper!!! Rick Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > You don't happen to remember if they're the Aero-classic > "Vintage" 6-ply or other, do you? I see the Vintage > has the tread pattern like mine, whereas the > 6-ply "Light Sport" is way cheaper but doesn't have the > same tread. I figure the 500-6 6-ply LSA tire > would probably be ok on the nose, considering it's > for the mains on LSA's, just like Van's does with the > 10....the nose tire is the same as the 2-place RV's > mains. I'm not sure if Van's consistently sells the > same model of tire through all delivery dates, but the > LSA is $37 and the Vintage is $73 from Desser...which is > where I've always got my tires. Van's sells one > in the 50's but doesn't specify which one. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > Seano wrote: >> Aero-Classic >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:05 PM >> Subject: RV10-List: Front tire make >>> >>> Does anyone remember what front tire make came with >>> the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads >>> on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I >>> want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good >>> so far I may just buy the same thing again. >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >>> do not archive >>> >>> > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:33 PM PST US From: Seano Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front tire make Mine say type III 6 ply. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2010, at 20:39, Tim Olson wrote: > > You don't happen to remember if they're the Aero-classic > "Vintage" 6-ply or other, do you? I see the Vintage > has the tread pattern like mine, whereas the > 6-ply "Light Sport" is way cheaper but doesn't have the > same tread. I figure the 500-6 6-ply LSA tire > would probably be ok on the nose, considering it's > for the mains on LSA's, just like Van's does with the > 10....the nose tire is the same as the 2-place RV's > mains. I'm not sure if Van's consistently sells the > same model of tire through all delivery dates, but the > LSA is $37 and the Vintage is $73 from Desser...which is > where I've always got my tires. Van's sells one > in the 50's but doesn't specify which one. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > Seano wrote: >> Aero-Classic >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:05 PM >> Subject: RV10-List: Front tire make >>> >>> Does anyone remember what front tire make came with >>> the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads >>> on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I >>> want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good >>> so far I may just buy the same thing again. >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >>> do not archive >>> >>> > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:16 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front tire make Tha's what has me so confused...I can't believe they's splurge on the 'spensive one. :) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Rick wrote: > > Lol.....Vans supplied them....think "Dutch" and there you will find the > answers you seek grasshopper!!! > > Rick > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 24, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> >> You don't happen to remember if they're the Aero-classic >> "Vintage" 6-ply or other, do you? I see the Vintage >> has the tread pattern like mine, whereas the >> 6-ply "Light Sport" is way cheaper but doesn't have the >> same tread. I figure the 500-6 6-ply LSA tire >> would probably be ok on the nose, considering it's >> for the mains on LSA's, just like Van's does with the >> 10....the nose tire is the same as the 2-place RV's >> mains. I'm not sure if Van's consistently sells the >> same model of tire through all delivery dates, but the >> LSA is $37 and the Vintage is $73 from Desser...which is >> where I've always got my tires. Van's sells one >> in the 50's but doesn't specify which one. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >> do not archive >> >> >> Seano wrote: >>> Aero-Classic >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:05 PM >>> Subject: RV10-List: Front tire make >>>> >>>> Does anyone remember what front tire make came with >>>> the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads >>>> on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I >>>> want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good >>>> so far I may just buy the same thing again. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >>>> do not archive >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:04 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc I've found that while I think most people *can* move as quick through the project as I did, if they want to, that I may be a little bit quicker than many. The thing is, I think I really did devote myself to the project when I was on it, and when I wasn't, I really wasn't. The more consistent you work on it, and the more you plan ahead, the faster it goes. I didn't cut corners or do sloppy work, and in fact worried at first that I was being WAY too anal for the first 50 or 100 hours. But, I just really went to it, and got in the groove. I think if someone has no big family obligations on a daily basis, and doesn't have too many other irons in the fire, that you'd likely easily complete any RV-10 in 3 years. But, most people have obligations and other things going on. I was lucky enough to even have a wife that mowed the lawn every time it needed it, so that I didn't have to. With a partner like that, it was easy to finish in 25 months...I could even go much quicker next time if I wanted. I even had to take care of kids as a single-parent-at-home most evenings, when they were 2,3,4,5 years old, so I did it with plenty of things going on. It's just a matter of focus and consistent work. Plus...I *really* wanted it done. :) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive Rick and Sandra Lark wrote: > > Ok, thx Rick. I kind of wondered about those brackets. I probably will > just leave them detached from the cover plates until I start rigging, > which appears to be a ways down the road. > > I have to ask another question. At this point (elevators just about > complete), I have 300 man hrs into this project. I noticed on Tim O's > web site, he had about 170 hrs at this same point..... I must be really > slow or????? How much time did other builders have at this stage? > > I don't want to set a record as the slowest RV10 build, but still want > it done correctly. Maybe I'm a little anal retentive?? > > All opinions appreciated. > > Rick Lark > #40956 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Cc: "Rick and Sandra Lark" > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc > > >> Rick, >> >> Don't use rivets at all to attach those brackets, use machine screws >> and stopnuts. You will need to rotate the brackets when rigging the >> trim, just bolt them up when you have them adjusted. >> >> I'm not sure what the problem with the step drill except you ARE >> drilling an hole first before using the drill right? They don't start >> holes very well. >> >> Rick Sked >> N246RS >> Annual time!! >> ---- Rick and Sandra Lark wrote: >>> Hi all >>> >>> I'm just about done with my elevator construction and while I'm >>> waiting for the prosealed trailing edges to set up I went to rivet >>> the trim cable attachment brackets to the cover plates. The plans >>> call out for LP4-3 rivets. I've bought the Cleveland Tools brackets >>> but I can't figure out why solid rivets wouldn't be used here. Can >>> anyone shed some light on why I need to use LP4-3's? >>> >>> Question 2: Can anyone tell me how to properly use a step drill? >>> I've been a woodworker for more than 30 years and have never had a >>> hand tool I couldn't figure out how to use. I've now bought 2 >>> different sized drills thinking the first one was a dud, but can't >>> seem to get the newer one to work worth a d**n either. Case in >>> point, when I tried to drill out the .060" front elevator spar for >>> the snap bushing, I would have bent the spar before I forced it to >>> drill the proper sizes hole. What am I missing???? >>> >>> Regards, Rick >>> >>> #40956 >>> Southampton, Ont >>> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc From: Kelly McMullen I stopped trying to track time, oh, around doing the vertical stab. Work goes a lot faster when you don't waste time tracking it. I know of at least one kit that is below ser. no 40050 that is no where near putting the major parts together, much less finishing. Enjoy the build, satisfy your own quality requirements, and it will be done when it is done. Kelly 40866 Fuselage/fuel system On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Rick and Sandra Lark wrote: . > > I have to ask another question. At this point (elevators just about > complete), I have 300 man hrs into this project. I noticed on Tim O's web > site, he had about 170 hrs at this same point..... I must be really slow > or????? How much time did other builders have at this stage? > > I don't want to set a record as the slowest RV10 build, but still want it > done correctly. Maybe I'm a little anal retentive?? > > All opinions appreciated. > > Rick Lark > #40956 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front tire make From: Kelly McMullen I'm surprised you would have any need for a nose tire. They usually last 2-3 times as long as mains. In 12 years of flying my Mooney, I've replaced nose tire 1 time, on 3rd set of mains. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > You don't happen to remember if they're the Aero-classic > "Vintage" 6-ply or other, do you? > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > Seano wrote: >> >> >> Aero-Classic >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:05 PM >> Subject: RV10-List: Front tire make >> >> >>> >>> Does anyone remember what front tire make came with >>> the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads >>> on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I >>> want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good >>> so far I may just buy the same thing again. >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >>> do not archive >>> >>> > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:25 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc My experience with the HF strep bits is that they work fine for x holes (x being dependent on the material drilled). Then suddenly, they seem to wear through a very thin, hardened surface on the bit, and become completely non-functioning junk. Having said that, the HF bits are a good value (!!!). I forget the prices but you can get a set of 3 bits for about the 1/3 the cost of 1 quality bit. I'm on my second set having worn 2 bits out but my '10 is close to finished (did I say that?). I have a quality bit which I'm saving for any more firewall SS holes but there's little other steel on the aircraft. I used the HF bits on aluminum and composite and I'm prepared to ruin 1 or 2 more bits if necessary. To use the HF bits, you just have to be ready to chuck them as soon as they don't seem to be cutting. But on sale, they are really cheap and I have room to store them. YMMV. Bill Rick and Sandra Lark wrote: > Hmmm....Yes you're right Carl. Both drills were cheap Harbor Freight > type drills. I don't usually go the cheap route when it comes to > tools. Not sure now why I even tried. I'll look for a "good" drill. Thx > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Carl Froehlich > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, May 24, 2010 8:33 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: step drills etc > > I would guess you might be using the Harbor Freight type step > drill. They tend to make rough, less than round holes. I bought a > set figuring I could save a few dollars. Big mistake. > > Try a Unibit brand step drill. Smooth hole every time. If your > local Lowes/Home Depot should have them. If not, Cleaveland Tools > does: http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/products.asp?dept=21 > > Carl Froehlich > > RV-8A (540 hrs) > > RV-10 (systems install) > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick > and Sandra Lark > *Sent:* Monday, May 24, 2010 7:06 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: step drills etc > > Hi all > > I'm just about done with my elevator construction and while I'm > waiting for the prosealed trailing edges to set up I went to rivet > the trim cable attachment brackets to the cover plates. The plans > call out for LP4-3 rivets. I've bought the Cleveland Tools > brackets but I can't figure out why solid rivets wouldn't be used > here. Can anyone shed some light on why I need to use LP4-3's? > > Question 2: Can anyone tell me how to properly use a step drill? > I've been a woodworker for more than 30 years and have never had a > hand tool I couldn't figure out how to use. I've now bought 2 > different sized drills thinking the first one was a dud, but can't > seem to get the newer one to work worth a d**n either. Case in > point, when I tried to drill out the .060" front elevator spar for > the snap bushing, I would have bent the spar before I forced it to > drill the proper sizes hole. What am I missing???? > > Regards, Rick > > #40956 > > Southampton, Ont > > * * > > * * > > http://www.matronic=================< - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS via > the Web --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web > generous nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c > > > * * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:29 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Front tire make I don't need it yet...it could go another couple hundred hours if I do well. But as the center is wearing I'm going to keep it on hand this summer in case it gets down there a ways, and then I'm going to replace it early brefore my next out-of-USA trip. My old will be a good spare if I keep it in a big ziploc with low oxygen levels. I like spares. So I'm guessing the nose tire wouldn't have a big problem making 800-1000 hours. I'm getting about 300-400 per set of mains so your estimate is about right. I just don't want to go international on less-improved strips with tires that aren't as thick as they could be. Tim On May 24, 2010, at 10:28 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > I'm surprised you would have any need for a nose tire. They usually > last 2-3 times as long as mains. In 12 years of flying my Mooney, I've > replaced nose tire 1 time, on 3rd set of mains. > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> You don't happen to remember if they're the Aero-classic >> "Vintage" 6-ply or other, do you? >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >> do not archive >> >> >> Seano wrote: >>> >>> >>> Aero-Classic >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 3:05 PM >>> Subject: RV10-List: Front tire make >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone remember what front tire make came with >>>> the kit? I've been happy with the Desser HP retreads >>>> on the mains, and my nose tire is going strong, but I >>>> want to buy a spare. I figure since it's worked good >>>> so far I may just buy the same thing again. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >>>> do not archive >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:42 PM PST US From: Rick Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc Enjoy the process. My Dad got sick and passed away during my build...during that time all I knew was I couldn't park my car in the garage because of my "project" which was nothing in comparison to my life at the time My total build time is about 2400 hours, or 5 years 4 months and 23 days. Build time is like a fingerprint...no two are the same. Perserverance is the best ribbon they can give you at Osh.... Rick Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2010, at 7:56 PM, "Rick and Sandra Lark" wrote: > > > > Ok, thx Rick. I kind of wondered about those brackets. I probably > will just leave them detached from the cover plates until I start > rigging, which appears to be a ways down the road. > > I have to ask another question. At this point (elevators just about > complete), I have 300 man hrs into this project. I noticed on Tim > O's web site, he had about 170 hrs at this same point..... I must > be really slow or????? How much time did other builders have at > this stage? > > I don't want to set a record as the slowest RV10 build, but still > want it done correctly. Maybe I'm a little anal retentive?? > > All opinions appreciated. > > Rick Lark > #40956 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Cc: "Rick and Sandra Lark" > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc > > >> Rick, >> >> Don't use rivets at all to attach those brackets, use machine >> screws and stopnuts. You will need to rotate the brackets when >> rigging the trim, just bolt them up when you have them adjusted. >> >> I'm not sure what the problem with the step drill except you ARE >> drilling an hole first before using the drill right? They don't >> start holes very well. >> >> Rick Sked >> N246RS >> Annual time!! >> ---- Rick and Sandra Lark wrote: >>> Hi all >>> >>> I'm just about done with my elevator construction and while I'm >>> waiting for the prosealed trailing edges to set up I went to rivet >>> the trim cable attachment brackets to the cover plates. The plans >>> call out for LP4-3 rivets. I've bought the Cleveland Tools >>> brackets but I can't figure out why solid rivets wouldn't be used >>> here. Can anyone shed some light on why I need to use LP4-3's? >>> >>> Question 2: Can anyone tell me how to properly use a step drill? >>> I've been a woodworker for more than 30 years and have never had a >>> hand tool I couldn't figure out how to use. I've now bought 2 >>> different sized drills thinking the first one was a dud, but can't >>> seem to get the newer one to work worth a d**n either. Case in >>> point, when I tried to drill out the .060" front elevator spar for >>> the snap bushing, I would have bent the spar before I forced it to >>> drill the proper sizes hole. What am I missing???? >>> >>> Regards, Rick >>> >>> #40956 >>> Southampton, Ont >>> > > ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:56 PM PST US From: Bill Mauledriver Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: step drills etc I watched this carefully... http://www.airspacemag.com/multimedia/videos/Go-For-Launch.html .... and I noticed a lot of people standing around with their hands in their pockets. I can relate. Although my project is a one man effort (with critical assistance from my rivet bucker and life partner Alicia), I spend plenty of time standing around admiring the kit, my progress, my lack of progress, thinking about future progress, smoking a cigar, watching the Waco depart, and otherwise scritching my cat. These are the best of times. Now, I have to admit that I have a Maule to fly when the mood strikes, but I increasingly find myself forcing the issue just to maintain some proficiency (or to get from A to B). Fact is, standing around with my hands in my pockets trying to remember what I planned to do is a lot more fun.. sort of. Enjoy the process and remember it's not work. Bill "trying to get comfortable with my progress as a 4th anniversary approaches" Watson Rick and Sandra Lark wrote: > ....snippetysnip > I have to ask another question. At this point (elevators just about > complete), I have 300 man hrs into this project. I noticed on Tim O's > web site, he had about 170 hrs at this same point..... I must be > really slow or????? How much time did other builders have at this > stage? > > I don't want to set a record as the slowest RV10 build, but still want > it done correctly. Maybe I'm a little anal retentive?? > > All opinions appreciated. > > Rick Lark > #40956 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.