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1. 06:59 AM - windows & fiberglass (rvdave)
2. 07:24 AM - Headliner adhesive (Carl Froehlich)
3. 07:25 AM - Re: windows & fiberglass (Strasnuts)
4. 09:06 AM - Re: windows & fiberglass (Jeff Carpenter)
5. 12:06 PM - Re: windows & fiberglass (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
6. 12:36 PM - Re: windows & fiberglass (Dave Saylor)
7. 01:24 PM - Re: windows & fiberglass (Bill Mauledriver Watson)
8. 07:01 PM - Re: windows & fiberglass (rvdave)
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| Subject: | windows & fiberglass |
I'm filling the window joint with glass cloth but having problem getting a good
feathered edge to the window. Apparently epoxy resin is not the best for a
feathered edge, I've tried mixing with cabosil, not good either. Thinking about
the blue polyfiber two part mix but don't know about the bond to plex.
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Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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| Subject: | Headliner adhesive |
All,
I recently installed a foam backed fabric headliner in my RV-10 project. I
did test pieces using three different spray adhesives:
3M Super 77
DAP High Strength
Permatex 27828 Body Shop Carpet & Headliner Spray
The Permatex 27828 was by far the best product. It is available at
Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-27828-Headliner-Adhesive-16-75-oz/dp/B000HBNU
9K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8
<http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-27828-Headliner-Adhesive-16-75-oz/dp/B000HBN
U9K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1275054862&sr=8-1>
&s=automotive&qid=1275054862&sr=8-1 and at auto parts stores such as
Advanced Auto.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (540 hrs)
RV-10 (systems install)
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
I will be doing this next week too. I am curious what technique and materials
have worked best for both fiberglass thickness (paint cracking) and feathering.
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Cust. #40936
RV-10 SB Fuselage
N801VR reserved
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
I've found resin mixed with flox and cabosil to be the best for a
feathered edge.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On May 28, 2010, at 6:57 AM, rvdave wrote:
>
> I'm filling the window joint with glass cloth but having problem
> getting a good feathered edge to the window. Apparently epoxy resin
> is not the best for a feathered edge, I've tried mixing with
> cabosil, not good either. Thinking about the blue polyfiber two
> part mix but don't know about the bond to plex.
>
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> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299126#299126
>
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
I'm in the process of doing same this weekend.
I have taped off the edge and filled in the gap and am ready to cover
with light weight tape/cloth.
What techniques and tools work well for creating this edge?
Bill "finishing up the glass pieces" Watson
40605
Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> I've found resin mixed with flox and cabosil to be the best for a
> feathered edge.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
> On May 28, 2010, at 6:57 AM, rvdave wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm filling the window joint with glass cloth but having problem
>> getting a good feathered edge to the window. Apparently epoxy resin
>> is not the best for a feathered edge, I've tried mixing with cabosil,
>> not good either. Thinking about the blue polyfiber two part mix but
>> don't know about the bond to plex.
>>
>> --------
>> Dave Ford
>> RV6 flying
>> RV10 building
>> Cadillac, MI
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299126#299126
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Bill, Jeff, Dave,
Pick up some "fine line tape" from the autobody store. It looks like (may
very well be, not sure) narrow electrical tape. I think it comes in 1/8"
and 1/4" widths. The narrow width makes it really easy to mask in the tight
corners.
A nice trick is to run the ends of the tape back into the center of the
masked area so you know where find them, like a little freeway
on-ramp/off-ramp.
Use the fine line tape on the plex where you want the overlay to end. The
special tape will keep the resin from getting underneath it.
Build up one or two layers over the fine line tape with regular electrical
tape. That gives you a little dam to run the resin up to. The glass should
stop just short of the dam, maybe 1/32" - 1/16". After the resin has cured,
bodywork the glass overlay all the way to the tape with SuperFil or
something similar. Jeff, I remember you had problems with the feathered
edge not adhering to the base. Flox would be fine in a situation like that
but here the filled area will be so small that Superfil should work OK.
You won't end up with a smooth feathered edge from the plex to the glass.
You'll have a little edge as thick as the tape dam. The paint will go
another 1/16-1/4" onto the plex and fair in that little edge very nicely.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <
MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> I'm in the process of doing same this weekend.
>
> I have taped off the edge and filled in the gap and am ready to cover with
> light weight tape/cloth.
>
> What techniques and tools work well for creating this edge?
>
> Bill "finishing up the glass pieces" Watson
> 40605
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
>>
>> I've found resin mixed with flox and cabosil to be the best for a
>> feathered edge.
>>
>> Jeff Carpenter
>> 40304
>>
>>
>> On May 28, 2010, at 6:57 AM, rvdave wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm filling the window joint with glass cloth but having problem getting
>>> a good feathered edge to the window. Apparently epoxy resin is not the best
>>> for a feathered edge, I've tried mixing with cabosil, not good either.
>>> Thinking about the blue polyfiber two part mix but don't know about the
>>> bond to plex.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Dave Ford
>>> RV6 flying
>>> RV10 building
>>> Cadillac, MI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299126#299126
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Perfect! Thanks so much Dave.
Bill "now psyched for the job" Watson
Dave Saylor wrote:
> Bill, Jeff, Dave,
>
> Pick up some "fine line tape" from the autobody store. It looks like
> (may very well be, not sure) narrow electrical tape. I think it comes
> in 1/8" and 1/4" widths. The narrow width makes it really easy to
> mask in the tight corners.
>
> A nice trick is to run the ends of the tape back into the center of
> the masked area so you know where find them, like a little freeway
> on-ramp/off-ramp.
>
> Use the fine line tape on the plex where you want the overlay to end.
> The special tape will keep the resin from getting underneath it.
>
> Build up one or two layers over the fine line tape with regular
> electrical tape. That gives you a little dam to run the resin up to.
> The glass should stop just short of the dam, maybe 1/32" - 1/16".
> After the resin has cured, bodywork the glass overlay all the way to
> the tape with SuperFil or something similar. Jeff, I remember you had
> problems with the feathered edge not adhering to the base. Flox would
> be fine in a situation like that but here the filled area will be so
> small that Superfil should work OK.
>
> You won't end up with a smooth feathered edge from the plex to the
> glass. You'll have a little edge as thick as the tape dam. The paint
> will go another 1/16-1/4" onto the plex and fair in that little edge
> very nicely.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> I'm in the process of doing same this weekend.
>
> I have taped off the edge and filled in the gap and am ready to
> cover with light weight tape/cloth.
>
> What techniques and tools work well for creating this edge?
>
> Bill "finishing up the glass pieces" Watson
> 40605
>
>
> Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> <jeff@westcottpress.com <mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>>
>
> I've found resin mixed with flox and cabosil to be the best
> for a feathered edge.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
>
>
> On May 28, 2010, at 6:57 AM, rvdave wrote:
>
> <davidbf@centurytel.net <mailto:davidbf@centurytel.net>>
>
> I'm filling the window joint with glass cloth but having
> problem getting a good feathered edge to the window.
> Apparently epoxy resin is not the best for a feathered
> edge, I've tried mixing with cabosil, not good either.
> Thinking about the blue polyfiber two part mix but don't
> know about the bond to plex.
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299126#299126
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Thanks Dave for the tips, the issue I've had so far was bringing the resin to electrical
tape which looked fine as I laid it in. The problem began as I began
to remove the tape, the overflow of resin on the tape in some places began to
pull up on the areas of feathering to the point that it looked as if it did
not have good adhesion to the plexiglass. I did sand the plex very well but as
I pulled the tape I could see the area turn a whitish color indicating a pulling
away. My concern is the adhesion down the road and the pulling away/bubbling
of the paint. If I hear you right the last 1/16 inch of polyfiber should
feather nicely and resolve the concerns of any pulling of resin from the plex?
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Dave Ford
RV6 flying
RV10 building
Cadillac, MI
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