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1. 05:48 AM - iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions (Rob Kermanj)
2. 06:12 AM - Skypad2 -- Voyager (Rene)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions (Kelly McMullen)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: Skypad2 -- Voyager (Kelly McMullen)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions (Marcus Cooper)
6. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: windows & fiberglass (Dave Saylor)
7. 09:36 AM - Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions (Tim Olson)
8. 09:58 AM - AirVenture Cup (Dave Saylor)
9. 10:56 AM - Re: Skypad2 -- Voyager (Miller John)
10. 11:54 AM - Oil Cooler (gary)
11. 12:12 PM - Re: Oil Cooler (Rene)
12. 12:59 PM - Re: Oil Cooler (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
13. 06:27 PM - Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions (Rob Kermanj)
14. 06:28 PM - Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions (Rob Kermanj)
15. 06:40 PM - Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions (Rob Kermanj)
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| Subject: | iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions |
This morning, I test flew the Skycharts on my iPad for the first time. I found
Skycharts to be a powerful and simple program; perfect for the iPad.
The program comes with all the charts (IFR, VFR, TAC) and plates you need. The
subscription is $20 per year, a great value.
If you have been playing with your iPad inside the house, you may lose you position
fix. Once you go outside and have the view of the sky, it finds your position
and you are ready to navigate. You do not need Internet connection to navigate.
You begin by typing in your waypoints, the course is drawn on the chart and you
are ready to navigate. You can toggle between different charts as you fly.
What I really like most is the ability to double click on an airport to get a list
of IFR plates. No more looking up your plates by state, city or it's name!
Another really nice feature for my age is that you can zoom as much as you need
to see all the details. This is really useful on the approach plates and the
resolution is perfect at all zoom levels. Zooming and panning is lightning fast,
no waiting.
Since the developer is very responsive to inquires, there are two things I would
like added (I need a lot for my $20):
It would be nice to have the program nominate the charts I need to cache based
on my flight plan. Right now you decide which charts your course crosses and which
charts you will need to cache.
It would also be nice to have the Approch plates "georeferenced?" so that you have
complete situational awareness while using the plates.
I highly recommend this app.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Skypad2 -- Voyager |
I got my Skypad2 a week or so ago and so far have been impressed........but
I have not flown with it. I did run the Voyager software on my PC and
hooked it up to x-plane. Pretty good training tool.
Voyager's approach plates are geo referenced.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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| Subject: | Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions |
Which version of the iPad are you using? Is the position derived from
cell phone G3 network or a true GPS? If GPS, what are its
capabilities? Or is there need for external BT GPS with a BT stack on
the iPad?
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This morning, I test flew the Skycharts on my iPad for the first time. I found
Skycharts to be a powerful and simple program; perfect for the iPad.
>
> The program comes with all the charts (IFR, VFR, TAC) and plates you need. The
subscription is $20 per year, a great value.
>
> If you have been playing with your iPad inside the house, you may lose you position
fix. Once you go outside and have the view of the sky, it finds your position
and you are ready to navigate. You do not need Internet connection to navigate.
>
> You begin by typing in your waypoints, the course is drawn on the chart and you
are ready to navigate. You can toggle between different charts as you fly.
>
> What I really like most is the ability to double click on an airport to get a
list of IFR plates. No more looking up your plates by state, city or it's name!
>
> Another really nice feature for my age is that you can zoom as much as you need
to see all the details. This is really useful on the approach plates and the
resolution is perfect at all zoom levels. Zooming and panning is lightning fast,
no waiting.
>
> Since the developer is very responsive to inquires, there are two things I would
like added (I need a lot for my $20):
>
> It would be nice to have the program nominate the charts I need to cache based
on my flight plan. Right now you decide which charts your course crosses and
which charts you will need to cache.
>
> It would also be nice to have the Approch plates "georeferenced?" so that you
have complete situational awareness while using the plates.
>
> I highly recommend this app.
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skypad2 -- Voyager |
Look forward to report from a flight or two. Especially responsiveness
for screen updates. I've seen original Skypad, and software is very
nice, tablet computer was a bit heavy and fat for use on kneeboard or
lap. Hmm, maybe room for it on the tunnel?
Kelly
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Rene <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
> I got my Skypad2 a week or so ago and so far have been impressed........but
> I have not flown with it. I did run the Voyager software on my PC and
> hooked it up to x-plane. Pretty good training tool.
>
> Voyager's approach plates are geo referenced.
>
> Rene'
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>
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| Subject: | iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions |
Thanks Rob, great report. Makes my 'need' for an iPad continue to grow
stronger!
Marcus
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions
This morning, I test flew the Skycharts on my iPad for the first time. I
found Skycharts to be a powerful and simple program; perfect for the iPad.
The program comes with all the charts (IFR, VFR, TAC) and plates you need.
The subscription is $20 per year, a great value.
If you have been playing with your iPad inside the house, you may lose you
position fix. Once you go outside and have the view of the sky, it finds
your position and you are ready to navigate. You do not need Internet
connection to navigate.
You begin by typing in your waypoints, the course is drawn on the chart and
you are ready to navigate. You can toggle between different charts as you
fly.
What I really like most is the ability to double click on an airport to get
a list of IFR plates. No more looking up your plates by state, city or it's
name!
Another really nice feature for my age is that you can zoom as much as you
need to see all the details. This is really useful on the approach plates
and the resolution is perfect at all zoom levels. Zooming and panning is
lightning fast, no waiting.
Since the developer is very responsive to inquires, there are two things I
would like added (I need a lot for my $20):
It would be nice to have the program nominate the charts I need to cache
based on my flight plan. Right now you decide which charts your course
crosses and which charts you will need to cache.
It would also be nice to have the Approch plates "georeferenced?" so that
you have complete situational awareness while using the plates.
I highly recommend this app.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: windows & fiberglass |
Dave,
If the resin is peeling up with the tape, there could be a few different
things going on.
Keep in mind that the chemical bond between typical laminating resin and
plex is never great. You get a decent mechanical bond by scuffing the plex,
as you did. Not to digress, but Weld-On, for example, does a better job
bonding chemically to the plex than laminating resin ever does.
By reinforcing the resin with the fiberglass layers, you can sort of
cantilever a little bridge out over the plex. The glass helps the bridge be
stiff enough to ensure that the relatively weak bond to the plex is
protected, that the bond to the plex doesn't see a peeling load, and it
stays stuck.
What may be happening in your case is that the body of resin between the
edge of the glass and the tape is too wide. Then the un-reinforced resin
could be flexible enough that removing the tape breaks the weak resin bond.
If that's the case, then you'll need the glass to be closer to the edge of
the tape.
Or, you may have some resin still overlapping the tape so when the tape was
lifted it pulled on the resin too. You'll need to sand all the way down to
the tape to make sure that the only part of the resin touching the tape is
the tiny vertical "thickness". By all means make sure that the glass
doesn't overlap the tape.
One thing you might want to change is the way that you remove the tape.
Once you get an inch or so of the tape lifted off the plex, try folding the
tail of the tape back around so the sticky side is up, and pull the tail
back at 90* to the masked edge--see attached photo. That puts the least
amount of peeling stress on the resin/plex bond.
Another problem might be that the resin is still a little soft. There's a
period before it's fully cured when it's still kind of rubbery and it might
pull off the plex. You have to be super careful if you decide to try to
warm the resin around plex--the plex starts to deform at relatively low
temps (see: my windshield-grr). We use electric blankets almost
exclusively now whenever we want to hurry up a curing cycle.
Let me know if you think you have something different going on. We'll get
it figured out.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:01 PM, rvdave <davidbf@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Dave for the tips, the issue I've had so far was bringing the resin
> to electrical tape which looked fine as I laid it in. The problem began as
> I began to remove the tape, the overflow of resin on the tape in some places
> began to pull up on the areas of feathering to the point that it looked as
> if it did not have good adhesion to the plexiglass. I did sand the plex
> very well but as I pulled the tape I could see the area turn a whitish color
> indicating a pulling away. My concern is the adhesion down the road and the
> pulling away/bubbling of the paint. If I hear you right the last 1/16 inch
> of polyfiber should feather nicely and resolve the concerns of any pulling
> of resin from the plex?
>
> --------
> Dave Ford
> RV6 flying
> RV10 building
> Cadillac, MI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299226#299226
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions |
I just saw an email update from the folks at foreflight on this. The
gps works ok at altitude and doesn't need 3g, but they were unhappy
with it's accuracy during climbs and descents, enough so that it
sounds like they decided georeferenced approach plates is something
they don't want to do right now....for safety. I'm sure with the
Bluetooth add-on that it would work ok, but since apple just is too
pig headed to allow that option, for non-jailbreakers you'll have to
suffer with less accuracy.
I love how well ipad works for what it does right...but it has it's
flaws too.
Tim
On May 29, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Which version of the iPad are you using? Is the position derived from
> cell phone G3 network or a true GPS? If GPS, what are its
> capabilities? Or is there need for external BT GPS with a BT stack on
> the iPad?
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> This morning, I test flew the Skycharts on my iPad for the first
>> time. I found Skycharts to be a powerful and simple program;
>> perfect for the iPad.
>>
>> The program comes with all the charts (IFR, VFR, TAC) and plates
>> you need. The subscription is $20 per year, a great value.
>>
>> If you have been playing with your iPad inside the house, you may
>> lose you position fix. Once you go outside and have the view of the
>> sky, it finds your position and you are ready to navigate. You do
>> not need Internet connection to navigate.
>>
>> You begin by typing in your waypoints, the course is drawn on the
>> chart and you are ready to navigate. You can toggle between
>> different charts as you fly.
>>
>> What I really like most is the ability to double click on an
>> airport to get a list of IFR plates. No more looking up your plates
>> by state, city or it's name!
>>
>> Another really nice feature for my age is that you can zoom as much
>> as you need to see all the details. This is really useful on the
>> approach plates and the resolution is perfect at all zoom levels.
>> Zooming and panning is lightning fast, no waiting.
>>
>> Since the developer is very responsive to inquires, there are two
>> things I would like added (I need a lot for my $20):
>>
>> It would be nice to have the program nominate the charts I need to
>> cache based on my flight plan. Right now you decide which charts
>> your course crosses and which charts you will need to cache.
>>
>> It would also be nice to have the Approch plates "georeferenced?"
>> so that you have complete situational awareness while using the
>> plates.
>>
>> I highly recommend this app.
>>
>> Rob Kermanj
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Is anyone planning on entering the AirVenture Cup in an RV-10 this year?
The rules say the crew is limited to two but the organizer tells me they
would make an exception, maybe even another class if there are enough 10s.
We're thinking of entering this year with three on board.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: Skypad2 -- Voyager |
I flew with my new iPad last weekend for the first time using plates
downloaded from www.nacomatic.com using Goodreader for iPad.
Played with it at home before taking it in the plane, which I
recommend. Easy to bookmark approaches ahead of time for your route.
Charts and airfield diagrams (appear to be .pdf copies of the green
book pages) are free and you can make a contribution if you want to
help them keep the site going.
Takes a while to download, so I now download to desktop, connect iPad
and transfer.
No room on my tunnel and a little big to strap to my knee, so waiting
for the RAM iPad holder to appear in mid June, then use some RAM ball
joints and connect to the bar going from glare shield to the cabin
top. That way it will be facing me at eye level and just to the right
of my RAM mounted 396.
A little glare in bright sunlight, and have not tried it at night or
in the soup yet, but think it's going to work just fine.
grumpy
N184JM
On May 29, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Look forward to report from a flight or two. Especially responsiveness
> for screen updates. I've seen original Skypad, and software is very
> nice, tablet computer was a bit heavy and fat for use on kneeboard or
> lap. Hmm, maybe room for it on the tunnel?
> Kelly
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Rene <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>>
>> I got my Skypad2 a week or so ago and so far have been
>> impressed........but
>> I have not flown with it. I did run the Voyager software on my PC
>> and
>> hooked it up to x-plane. Pretty good training tool.
>>
>> Voyager's approach plates are geo referenced.
>>
>> Rene'
> 0
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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I remember some folks have upgraded oil coolers to one from Alex D what is
his contact # and the model # that works in the 10.
Gary Specketer
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>From my order.
Qty Item # Description Date Shipped
Tracking #
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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2 LOU-12 Louver 12
1 2006X X-SERIES Oil Cooler for 160 hp to 280 hp
1 Glock RV Gust Lock
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Rene'
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 12:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Cooler
I remember some folks have upgraded oil coolers to one from Alex D what is
his contact # and the model # that works in the 10.
Gary Specketer
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http://www.shop.aviationtechproducts.com/
part # on his site is 2006X. From the web site:
Flight testing on the popular RV series of aircraft has shown oil temperatu
re drops of 10 -15 degrees F for coolers of the same size in the same locat
ion. Not FAA approved. They come in three sizes, Part# 2002X is for Horsepo
wer 65 hp to 160 hp
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Cooler
I remember some folks have upgraded oil coolers to one from Alex D what is
his contact # and the model # that works in the 10.
Gary Specketer
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| Subject: | Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions |
I am using the Wi-Fi 3g. The latest. Apple says the position is arrived any and
al three. If using the satellite only, you must have it view the horizon and
try different positions to lock the location.
I really can't comment on the GPS capabilities since this thing is brand spanking
new to me . I will provide updates as i learn more. I am sure that a bluetooth
gps will provide faster locks but may also drain the battery quicker.
On May 29, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Which version of the iPad are you using? Is the position derived from
> cell phone G3 network or a true GPS? If GPS, what are its
> capabilities? Or is there need for external BT GPS with a BT stack on
> the iPad?
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This morning, I test flew the Skycharts on my iPad for the first time. I found
Skycharts to be a powerful and simple program; perfect for the iPad.
>>
>> The program comes with all the charts (IFR, VFR, TAC) and plates you need. The
subscription is $20 per year, a great value.
>>
>> If you have been playing with your iPad inside the house, you may lose you position
fix. Once you go outside and have the view of the sky, it finds your position
and you are ready to navigate. You do not need Internet connection to
navigate.
>>
>> You begin by typing in your waypoints, the course is drawn on the chart and
you are ready to navigate. You can toggle between different charts as you fly.
>>
>> What I really like most is the ability to double click on an airport to get
a list of IFR plates. No more looking up your plates by state, city or it's name!
>>
>> Another really nice feature for my age is that you can zoom as much as you need
to see all the details. This is really useful on the approach plates and the
resolution is perfect at all zoom levels. Zooming and panning is lightning
fast, no waiting.
>>
>> Since the developer is very responsive to inquires, there are two things I would
like added (I need a lot for my $20):
>>
>> It would be nice to have the program nominate the charts I need to cache based
on my flight plan. Right now you decide which charts your course crosses and
which charts you will need to cache.
>>
>> It would also be nice to have the Approch plates "georeferenced?" so that you
have complete situational awareness while using the plates.
>>
>> I highly recommend this app.
>>
>> Rob Kermanj
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions |
You are welcome.
Do not archive
On May 29, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> Thanks Rob, great report. Makes my 'need' for an iPad continue to grow
> stronger!
>
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions
>
>
> This morning, I test flew the Skycharts on my iPad for the first time. I
> found Skycharts to be a powerful and simple program; perfect for the iPad.
>
> The program comes with all the charts (IFR, VFR, TAC) and plates you need.
> The subscription is $20 per year, a great value.
>
> If you have been playing with your iPad inside the house, you may lose you
> position fix. Once you go outside and have the view of the sky, it finds
> your position and you are ready to navigate. You do not need Internet
> connection to navigate.
>
> You begin by typing in your waypoints, the course is drawn on the chart and
> you are ready to navigate. You can toggle between different charts as you
> fly.
>
> What I really like most is the ability to double click on an airport to get
> a list of IFR plates. No more looking up your plates by state, city or it's
> name!
>
> Another really nice feature for my age is that you can zoom as much as you
> need to see all the details. This is really useful on the approach plates
> and the resolution is perfect at all zoom levels. Zooming and panning is
> lightning fast, no waiting.
>
> Since the developer is very responsive to inquires, there are two things I
> would like added (I need a lot for my $20):
>
> It would be nice to have the program nominate the charts I need to cache
> based on my flight plan. Right now you decide which charts your course
> crosses and which charts you will need to cache.
>
> It would also be nice to have the Approch plates "georeferenced?" so that
> you have complete situational awareness while using the plates.
>
> I highly recommend this app.
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions |
Hopefully they have made the conclusion using the Wi-Fi 3G model.
There are some things to consider for the GPS location to work:
1. The Location Service must be "on".
2. The time must be set to "automatic". It should not be set manually. The setting
should also be the same on the desk top being used to sync the iPad.
I learned from Airguide Publication folks at Sun/Fun that they will have a bluetooth
GPS for their subscription. Not sure if it will have to be hacked to work.
I have to admit, obvious from the subject line, that this is my initial report.
I did make two approaches to min. and was impressed. However, I am just as
happy to be able to have the charts and plates on the screen and navigate the
old fashion way, with my panel GPS. After all, we all have at least two GPSs
to use for navigation.
On May 29, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I just saw an email update from the folks at foreflight on this. The gps works
ok at altitude and doesn't need 3g, but they were unhappy with it's accuracy
during climbs and descents, enough so that it sounds like they decided georeferenced
approach plates is something they don't want to do right now....for safety.
I'm sure with the Bluetooth add-on that it would work ok, but since apple
just is too pig headed to allow that option, for non-jailbreakers you'll have
to suffer with less accuracy.
> I love how well ipad works for what it does right...but it has it's flaws too.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On May 29, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Which version of the iPad are you using? Is the position derived from
>> cell phone G3 network or a true GPS? If GPS, what are its
>> capabilities? Or is there need for external BT GPS with a BT stack on
>> the iPad?
>>
>> On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 5:47 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This morning, I test flew the Skycharts on my iPad for the first time. I found
Skycharts to be a powerful and simple program; perfect for the iPad.
>>>
>>> The program comes with all the charts (IFR, VFR, TAC) and plates you need.
The subscription is $20 per year, a great value.
>>>
>>> If you have been playing with your iPad inside the house, you may lose you
position fix. Once you go outside and have the view of the sky, it finds your
position and you are ready to navigate. You do not need Internet connection to
navigate.
>>>
>>> You begin by typing in your waypoints, the course is drawn on the chart and
you are ready to navigate. You can toggle between different charts as you fly.
>>>
>>> What I really like most is the ability to double click on an airport to get
a list of IFR plates. No more looking up your plates by state, city or it's name!
>>>
>>> Another really nice feature for my age is that you can zoom as much as you
need to see all the details. This is really useful on the approach plates and
the resolution is perfect at all zoom levels. Zooming and panning is lightning
fast, no waiting.
>>>
>>> Since the developer is very responsive to inquires, there are two things I
would like added (I need a lot for my $20):
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>>> It would be nice to have the program nominate the charts I need to cache based
on my flight plan. Right now you decide which charts your course crosses and
which charts you will need to cache.
>>>
>>> It would also be nice to have the Approch plates "georeferenced?" so that you
have complete situational awareness while using the plates.
>>>
>>> I highly recommend this app.
>>>
>>> Rob Kermanj
>>> Sent from my iPad
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