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1. 09:48 AM - Archer antenna reception in right winttip (DLM)
2. 10:02 AM - Re: Misc topics... First flight, Insurance, Rudder lock (Dave Saylor)
3. 10:52 AM - Re: Archer antenna reception in right winttip (Dave Saylor)
4. 11:33 AM - Re: Archer antenna reception in right winttip (DLM)
5. 11:34 AM - Re: Osh-10 Camping (Scott Schmidt)
6. 11:35 AM - Weigh airplane? (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
7. 12:00 PM - Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's (ecurington)
8. 12:15 PM - Re: Archer antenna reception in right winttip (Kelly McMullen)
9. 12:16 PM - Re: Weigh airplane? (Carl Froehlich)
10. 12:37 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's (John Cox)
11. 12:37 PM - Re: Weigh airplane? (Don McDonald)
12. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's ()
13. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's (Kelly McMullen)
14. 02:44 PM - Re: Weigh airplane? (Jeff Carpenter)
15. 02:48 PM - Re: Misc topics... First flight, Insurance, Rudder lock (n277dl)
16. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's (John Cox)
17. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: Misc topics... First flight, Insurance, Rudder lock (Dave Saylor)
18. 05:11 PM - WTB Alternator Bracket (dmaib@me.com)
19. 08:29 PM - Re: Weigh airplane? (James McGrew)
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| Subject: | Archer antenna reception in right winttip |
Just a data point. Today an SL30 received ZUN VOR at 80 NM SW at 11500
MSL. terrain in the area was 5000-7000. Also operaton of the Planelights
HID system did not affect the reception. Also takeoff and landing at
8000 densitly altitude required only about 1500 feet ground roll.
landing was aided by slight NE wind and up hill grade .3%. GRT sport
calculated max power at takeoff to be 73%; achieved 23.5"MP @2700.
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| Subject: | Re: Misc topics... First flight, Insurance, Rudder lock |
Here's our latest iteration. Best one we've used yet, simple, cheap.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com>wrote:
> If you like simple and cheap but effective this might work. After strapping
> back the stick I install this restraint. I used it on my 9A also. On the 9A
> I started out with the clip installed that others have pics of (holding the
> rudder pulled completely to the side) but liked this better.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Most important question... Any recommendations for a good rudder lock for
> the -10. I used the spring loaded rod that fits on the rudder pedals for
> the -7A. Unfortunately, I also now have a 3 inch hole covered with duct
> tape in the rudder surface of the 7A where this lock failed to hold and the
> rudder stops broke after the rudder flopped around in the wind.
> Thanks,Doug
>
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| Subject: | Re: Archer antenna reception in right winttip |
How much distance do you have between the nav antenna (say, at the
terminals) and the bulb? And between the terminals and the HID power
supply? Maybe mine are just a little too close. Are you using a wig-wag?
Isn't it a great mountain plane?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:39 AM, DLM <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
> Just a data point. Today an SL30 received ZUN VOR at 80 NM SW at 11500
> MSL. terrain in the area was 5000-7000. Also operaton of the Planelights HID
> system did not affect the reception. Also takeoff and landing at 8000
> densitly altitude required only about 1500 feet ground roll. landing was
> aided by slight NE wind and up hill grade .3%. GRT sport calculated max
> power at takeoff to be 73%; achieved 23.5"MP @2700.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Archer antenna reception in right winttip |
not using wig wag; If I recall the distances are about 6-8 inches.
antenna is about mid tip while HID transformer and light assembly are
forward tip. I observed no interference with the landing lights coming
on but wig wag may be different in that the HID may be restarting at
every WIG. I don't know.
Given that there are few data points; every mountain airstrip is a
planning/guessing game. I looked at the book for a Piper Dakota with
derated O540. It is nice to be able to fly in the mountains without the
turbo. I had a turbo C177RG for many years and the turbo allowed almost
any operation in the mountains but there was always the question of the
extra heat and high oil temps. With the big engine, oil temp is of
little concern. My oil cooler is the standard one from the firewall
forward kit. I have drilled off the triangular piece air dams fom the
front cylinders.
After breakin my CHTs usually stay below 360; they were mostly between
360 and 420 during breakin. I now run LOP between 9-13 usually and burn
about 9 gph and true 150 KTAS. CHTs spread about 40 degrees with the
average just above 300F. EGTs have about a 50F spread and average about
1400F.
Yes having a "muscle airplane" is fun.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Saylor
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Archer antenna reception in right winttip
How much distance do you have between the nav antenna (say, at the
terminals) and the bulb? And between the terminals and the HID power
supply? Maybe mine are just a little too close. Are you using a
wig-wag?
Isn't it a great mountain plane?
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:39 AM, DLM <dlm34077@cox.net> wrote:
Just a data point. Today an SL30 received ZUN VOR at 80 NM SW at
11500 MSL. terrain in the area was 5000-7000. Also operaton of the
Planelights HID system did not affect the reception. Also takeoff and
landing at 8000 densitly altitude required only about 1500 feet ground
roll. landing was aided by slight NE wind and up hill grade .3%. GRT
sport calculated max power at takeoff to be 73%; achieved 23.5"MP @2700.
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: Osh-10 Camping |
Someone has already reserved the trailer I had originally reserved.
I would search Craigslist, that is where I found one.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: Tim <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 5:15:23 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Osh-10 Camping
Contact Scott Schmidt.....if you can't reach him, email me asap.
Tim
On Jun 9, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Brent P. Humphreys" <bhumphreys@stonetek.com> wrote:
If anyone has a camper/RV reserved for Oshkosh that they are not going to be able
to use, let me know. I am on the wait list at a few places.
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What have most folks done for weighing their airplane? Hire some scales
or other alternatives?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's |
John,
Your article was very timely for me as I am just starting on my fuel system on
my, -10 and it struck me as needing torque values for the flare fittings. I am
currently running the vent tubing inside the tanks. I ordered the crowfoot
adapter for the torque wrench after reading your post. However, the article did
leave me with a couple of questions.
Should I be making double flare connections? I have the roto flare tool but do
not have the double flare adapters. Does anyone have experience using the roto
tool and double flare adapters?
Are the torque values listed in the article the same for double flares?
Thanks,
Eulice
RV-10 Wing Tanks
Serial # 40596
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300854#300854
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| Subject: | Re: Archer antenna reception in right winttip |
Great info Dave. Thanks.
Kelly
On 6/10/2010 9:39 AM, DLM wrote:
> Just a data point. Today an SL30 received ZUN VOR at 80 NM SW at 11500
> MSL. terrain in the area was 5000-7000. Also operaton of the
> Planelights HID system did not affect the reception. Also takeoff and
> landing at 8000 densitly altitude required only about 1500 feet ground
> roll. landing was aided by slight NE wind and up hill grade .3%. GRT
> sport calculated max power at takeoff to be 73%; achieved 23.5"MP @2700.
> *
>
>
> *
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Many EAA chapters have a set of race car scales that can be borrowed. This
is really the only way to do it. Make sure you have the plane level.
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Weigh airplane?
What have most folks done for weighing their airplane? Hire some scales or
other alternatives?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's |
Wrench tightening was on page 2 of 7 in the attachment. A flare or 12pt
crows foot works better than a standard two contact points. Torqueing
is critical.
During fabrication, some do not cut the tubing perpendicular, some leave
burrs or blemishes. A deburr wheel lightly applied can make a big
difference. Get a 10X inspection lens (you should have one for
sparkplugs anyway) and look with light at the workmanship before
applying the flare. Single flare is most common. Smaller tubes such as
1/4" 0.250" will sometimes get a double for additional flare strength.
The torque values are the force to be applied to the B nut. Most damage
incidents after fabrication are the application of 125%, 150% and
GoodNTight overtorqueing. You would be amazed how many times Foot Pounds
rather than the specified Inch Pounds are applied. that is 1200% Duh!
Pictures demonstrate what deformation the flare incurs when placed under
such abuse. Occasionally the coil tubing vs. the straight tubing can
demonstrate weakness of seams and associated failures.
Good luck with the build. Become familiar with the AC43.13 on the
subject. Bend Radius of rigid tubing, flex tubing and wiring are all
fascinating for the more anal types. (No Side comment requested or
required Rick).
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ecurington
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of
insured's
John,
Your article was very timely for me as I am just starting on my fuel
system on my, -10 and it struck me as needing torque values for the
flare fittings. I am currently running the vent tubing inside the
tanks. I ordered the crowfoot adapter for the torque wrench after
reading your post. However, the article did leave me with a couple of
questions.
Should I be making double flare connections? I have the roto flare tool
but do not have the double flare adapters. Does anyone have experience
using the roto tool and double flare adapters?
Are the torque values listed in the article the same for double flares?
Thanks,
Eulice
RV-10 Wing Tanks
Serial # 40596
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300854#300854
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| Subject: | Re: Weigh airplane? |
Weigh yourself... the step off the scales, pick up the plane, then step bac
k on the scales.
-
Sorry guys, it must be me just trying to get used to the Texas heat.
-
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
wrote:
From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
Subject: RV10-List: Weigh airplane?
What have most folks done for weighing their airplane?- Hire some scales
or other alternatives?
TDT
-
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10- 40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
-=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's |
HEY!! No fair! I wasn't gonna say nothing, but I did like the article.
---- John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
> Wrench tightening was on page 2 of 7 in the attachment. A flare or 12pt
> crows foot works better than a standard two contact points. Torqueing
> is critical.
>
> During fabrication, some do not cut the tubing perpendicular, some leave
> burrs or blemishes. A deburr wheel lightly applied can make a big
> difference. Get a 10X inspection lens (you should have one for
> sparkplugs anyway) and look with light at the workmanship before
> applying the flare. Single flare is most common. Smaller tubes such as
> 1/4" 0.250" will sometimes get a double for additional flare strength.
>
> The torque values are the force to be applied to the B nut. Most damage
> incidents after fabrication are the application of 125%, 150% and
> GoodNTight overtorqueing. You would be amazed how many times Foot Pounds
> rather than the specified Inch Pounds are applied. that is 1200% Duh!
> Pictures demonstrate what deformation the flare incurs when placed under
> such abuse. Occasionally the coil tubing vs. the straight tubing can
> demonstrate weakness of seams and associated failures.
>
> Good luck with the build. Become familiar with the AC43.13 on the
> subject. Bend Radius of rigid tubing, flex tubing and wiring are all
> fascinating for the more anal types. (No Side comment requested or
> required Rick).
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ecurington
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:00 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of
> insured's
>
>
> John,
>
> Your article was very timely for me as I am just starting on my fuel
> system on my, -10 and it struck me as needing torque values for the
> flare fittings. I am currently running the vent tubing inside the
> tanks. I ordered the crowfoot adapter for the torque wrench after
> reading your post. However, the article did leave me with a couple of
> questions.
>
> Should I be making double flare connections? I have the roto flare tool
> but do not have the double flare adapters. Does anyone have experience
> using the roto tool and double flare adapters?
>
> Are the torque values listed in the article the same for double flares?
>
> Thanks,
> Eulice
> RV-10 Wing Tanks
> Serial # 40596
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300854#300854
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's |
That's okay Rick. Some of us that know John can fill in the descriptors.
After all, those mid shifts where no broken planes are on the ramp they
have nothing better to do than read manuals and argue the fine points of
43-13. Kind of like I asked for interpretation of how a particular
approach was drawn to 3 different retired airline pilots. 2 from same
airline gave same answer. Third from different airline gave opposite
answer. I'm still trying to find the truth in writing.
On 6/10/2010 12:49 PM, ricksked@cox.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:<ricksked@cox.net>
>
> HEY!! No fair! I wasn't gonna say nothing, but I did like the article.
> ---- John Cox<johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
>> - Bend Radius of rigid tubing, flex tubing and wiring are all
>> fascinating for the more anal types. (No Side comment requested or
>> required Rick).
>>
>> John
>>
>> -
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| Subject: | Re: Weigh airplane? |
It's real nice here in So Cal today Don...
Just sayin...
Do Not Archive
On Jun 10, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Don McDonald wrote:
> Weigh yourself... the step off the scales, pick up the plane, then
> step back on the scales.
>
> Sorry guys, it must be me just trying to get used to the Texas heat.
>
> Don McDonald
>
> --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero
> > wrote:
>
> From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
> Subject: RV10-List: Weigh airplane?
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 11:17 AM
>
> What have most folks done for weighing their airplane? Hire some
> scales or other alternatives?
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> RV-10 40025
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
> <image001.png>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Misc topics... First flight, Insurance, Rudder lock |
Thanks for the input.
Dave, is the only modification to the tow bar welding a tip that fits between the
brake pedal and the rudder bar?
Doug
--------
Doug
"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300884#300884
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insured's |
It's what you builders choose. That is the beauty of Amateur Built.
Never let a mechanic give an interpretation.
John Cox
From: Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 losses against the finite pool of insure
d's
That's okay Rick. Some of us that know John can fill in the descriptors.
After all, those mid shifts where no broken planes are on the ramp they
have nothing better to do than read manuals and argue the fine points of
43-13. Kind of like I asked for interpretation of how a particular
approach was drawn to 3 different retired airline pilots. 2 from same
airline gave same answer. Third from different airline gave opposite
answer. I'm still trying to find the truth in writing.
On 6/10/2010 12:49 PM, ricksked@cox.net wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:<ricksked@cox.net>
>
> HEY!! No fair! I wasn't gonna say nothing, but I did like the article.
> ---- John Cox<johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
>> - Bend Radius of rigid tubing, flex tubing and wiring are all
>> fascinating for the more anal types. (No Side comment requested or
>> required Rick).
>>
>> John
>>
>> -
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| Subject: | Re: Misc topics... First flight, Insurance, Rudder lock |
The little tabs are welded to the back side of the existing tube. I put the
tow bar in place on the nose wheel and marked how much was left protruding
so I could tell where to attach the tabs.
I used a little longer screw and a large area washer to capture the bungee.
The bungee end is just bent in a tight circle for the bolt to go through.
Then I shortened the bungee a couple inches so it holds the stick securely.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:47 PM, n277dl <dljinia@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Dave, is the only modification to the tow bar welding a tip that fits
> between the brake pedal and the rudder bar?
>
> Doug
>
> --------
> Doug
> "Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always find
> ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=300884#300884
>
>
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| Subject: | WTB Alternator Bracket |
I need an alternator bracket for an IO-540-C4B5. I am switching out my 60 AMP B&C
for a 70 AMP alternator from National Airparts. I believe this is a standard
bracket with a 2 3/4 inch mounting ear width.
The B&C will be for sale. Works great and has about 238 hours on it.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: Weigh airplane? |
I borrowed a set from my A&P. I thought that was real nice. When I returned
them he gave me a bill for $90. It turns out that's his fee for doing a
weight and balance. No big deal really, I suppose I can't complain.
You need to have a good weight and balance before you fly.
Jim
N312JE
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <
tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> What have most folks done for weighing their airplane? Hire some scales
> or other alternatives?
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> RV-10 40025
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
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