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1. 05:24 PM - Five point harness? (Carl Froehlich)
2. 05:35 PM - Re: Five point harness? (Rene)
3. 05:35 PM - weight/balance ()
4. 05:43 PM - Re: weight/balance (Rene)
5. 05:46 PM - Re: Five point harness? (Deems Davis)
6. 05:47 PM - Re: weight/balance (Scott Schmidt)
7. 05:51 PM - Re: weight/balance (Rob Kermanj)
8. 06:12 PM - Re: Five point harness? (Linn Walters)
9. 06:46 PM - Re: Five point harness? (Dave Saylor)
10. 09:13 PM - Re: weight/balance (Tim Olson)
11. 09:41 PM - Re: Crow Harnesses (Rob Kochman)
12. 09:54 PM - Re: weight/balance (Deems Davis)
13. 10:56 PM - Re: Crow Harnesses (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | Five point harness? |
All,
Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear seats or 4
point?
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (540 hrs)
RV-10 (systems install)
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| Subject: | Five point harness? |
I went 4 point inertial reel.
Rene'
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 6:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Five point harness?
All,
Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear seats or 4
point?
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (540 hrs)
RV-10 (systems install)
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Now that I have 70+ hours I am starting to fine tune things with regards to W/B.
When flying solo or with only two souls I find that I need at least 40lbs in
the baggage compartment or I don't have any elevator left when entering the
flair especially with full flaps. With 4 souls, full gas, and empty baggage there
is plenty of elevator left. So my question is what do people do when you
(and your copilot) head out from home to pick up two friends for a ride? Do I
then throw the two cases of oil away, have it fedexed home, or store it under
my feet? And then what do I do after dropping of the friends for the ride back
home? Put the copilot in the baggage compartment? Jay Rowe #40301
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I don't have that problem, my empty Cg is aft. But I have heard of people using
a 5 gallon collapse water bottle. Empty or fill....which ever you need. Don't
know how to keep it from freezing when it is really cold.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jfrjr@roadrunner.com
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 6:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: weight/balance
Now that I have 70+ hours I am starting to fine tune things with regards to W/B.
When flying solo or with only two souls I find that I need at least 40lbs in
the baggage compartment or I don't have any elevator left when entering the
flair especially with full flaps. With 4 souls, full gas, and empty baggage there
is plenty of elevator left. So my question is what do people do when you
(and your copilot) head out from home to pick up two friends for a ride? Do I
then throw the two cases of oil away, have it fedexed home, or store it under
my feet? And then what do I do after dropping of the friends for the ride back
home? Put the copilot in the baggage compartment? Jay Rowe #40301
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| Subject: | Re: Five point harness? |
It depends on whether or not you used primer and which one . :-D
Deems
On 6/13/2010 5:22 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
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> All,
>
> Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear seats
> or 4 point?
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (540 hrs)
>
> RV-10 (systems install)
>
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| Subject: | Re: weight/balance |
I typically use 20 deg flaps with two people. I have plenty of elevator and can
hold the front wheel off. It is definitely more nose heavy but well within
the W/B envelope.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: "jfrjr@roadrunner.com" <jfrjr@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 6:35:08 PM
Subject: RV10-List: weight/balance
Now that I have 70+ hours I am starting to fine tune things with regards to W/B.
When flying solo or with only two souls I find that I need at least 40lbs in
the baggage compartment or I don't have any elevator left when entering the
flair especially with full flaps. With 4 souls, full gas, and empty baggage there
is plenty of elevator left. So my question is what do people do when you
(and your copilot) head out from home to pick up two friends for a ride? Do I
then throw the two cases of oil away, have it fedexed home, or store it under
my feet? And then what do I do after dropping of the friends for the ride back
home? Put the copilot in the baggage compartment? Jay Rowe #40301
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| Subject: | Re: weight/balance |
Don't have that problem either but I don't use full flaps wit two people on board.
Do not archive
Rob Kermanj
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On Jun 13, 2010, at 8:42 PM, "Rene" <rene@felker.com> wrote:
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> I don't have that problem, my empty Cg is aft. But I have heard of people using
a 5 gallon collapse water bottle. Empty or fill....which ever you need.
Don't know how to keep it from freezing when it is really cold.
>
> Rene'
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jfrjr@roadrunner.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 6:35 PM
> To: Matronics RV-10 list
> Subject: RV10-List: weight/balance
>
>
> Now that I have 70+ hours I am starting to fine tune things with regards to W/B.
When flying solo or with only two souls I find that I need at least 40lbs
in the baggage compartment or I don't have any elevator left when entering the
flair especially with full flaps. With 4 souls, full gas, and empty baggage
there is plenty of elevator left. So my question is what do people do when you
(and your copilot) head out from home to pick up two friends for a ride? Do
I then throw the two cases of oil away, have it fedexed home, or store it under
my feet? And then what do I do after dropping of the friends for the ride
back home? Put the copilot in the baggage compartment? Jay Rowe #40301
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| Subject: | Re: Five point harness? |
1 vote for 4 point. You'll get frustrated trying to explain to the back
seat pax how to fasten a 5 point.
Linn
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Carl Froehlich wrote:
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> All,
>
>
>
> Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear seats
> or 4 point?
>
>
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (540 hrs)
>
> RV-10 (systems install)
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Five point harness? |
I spent a few hours this weekend with a race car driver who crashed last
Friday. He hit hard enough to bruise his forehead with the plastic vents in
his helmet. I don't know exactly how hard that is, but the car was totaled
and he had a lot of other bruises all over too. He had a five point
harness, so I do mean ALL over. Purple and swollen up like a couple beets
is what I was told.
But even so he was walking around yesterday, drinking beer and having BBQ
with his buddies without any broken bones or worse.
We have inertia reels and five points in the back. I got some green and red
cable ties and put them on the right and left shoulder belts. That makes it
a lot easier to tell which strap goes where, and to tell the pax how to set
up the belts.
My seven year old daughter can buckle her own belt, in fact she gets mad
when we try to do it for her (Daddyyyyy! I can do it!)
No primer.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Carl Froehlich
<carl.froehlich@verizon.net>wrote:
> All,
>
>
> Looking for the general consensus, 5 point harness for the rear seats or 4
> point?
>
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (540 hrs)
>
> RV-10 (systems install)
>
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| Subject: | Re: weight/balance |
I basically land with full flaps on every landing...almost 100% of the
time. Just today I went for a flight alone and did a nice power-off
(idle) landing just for fun, and varied my speed from 65 to 75 kts
to hit the target. I don't have a problem keeping the nose off the
ground at all when alone. I'd say, if you're really nose-heavy with
only 2 people in the front, land with half flaps and you should be fine.
But, unless your plane is considerably different than most other
RV-10's, it's surprising that you can run out of trim. I never do.
Perhaps your trim tabs aren't giving you full travel? I can fly mine
fine alone with absolutely nothing in the baggage area, but generally
I always have my "claw" tiedowns in there, along with a quart of oil,
and a small stash of tools. It's not much weight...maybe 5-10lbs.
If you are serious that you really need 40lbs in the tail, then
I'd say you either have something misconfigured on your trim travel,
or your RV-10 must have something substantial that's different than
most others in regards to engine/prop weight or something.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 6/13/2010 7:35 PM, jfrjr@roadrunner.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:<jfrjr@roadrunner.com>
>
> Now that I have 70+ hours I am starting to fine tune things with
> regards to W/B. When flying solo or with only two souls I find that
> I need at least 40lbs in the baggage compartment or I don't have any
> elevator left when entering the flair especially with full flaps.
> With 4 souls, full gas, and empty baggage there is plenty of elevator
> left. So my question is what do people do when you (and your copilot)
> head out from home to pick up two friends for a ride? Do I then
> throw the two cases of oil away, have it fedexed home, or store it
> under my feet? And then what do I do after dropping of the friends
> for the ride back home? Put the copilot in the baggage compartment?
> Jay Rowe #40301
>
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| Subject: | Re: Crow Harnesses |
Dave, did you ever get this figured out? Any other -10 builders use the
Crow harnesses?
-Rob
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, dmaib@mac.com <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
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> I am planning on ordering Crow harnesses and would like to know if anybody
> knows the correct measurements for front and rear seats? Shoulder harnesses
> and lap belts. [Question]
>
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> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184229#184229
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: weight/balance |
I had this same problem. In the end I changed the rigging in the
elevator by changing the length (shortening ???) of the rod end on the
end of the torque tube that attaches to the elevator horns. You need to
recheck the full-up/down angle specified in the plans, but I found that
I had plenty.
It made a big difference in the handling of the plane on landing.
Deems
On 6/13/2010 5:35 PM, jfrjr@roadrunner.com wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:<jfrjr@roadrunner.com>
>
> Now that I have 70+ hours I am starting to fine tune things with regards to W/B.
When flying solo or with only two souls I find that I need at least 40lbs
in the baggage compartment or I don't have any elevator left when entering the
flair especially with full flaps. With 4 souls, full gas, and empty baggage
there is plenty of elevator left. So my question is what do people do when you
(and your copilot) head out from home to pick up two friends for a ride? Do
I then throw the two cases of oil away, have it fedexed home, or store it under
my feet? And then what do I do after dropping of the friends for the ride
back home? Put the copilot in the baggage compartment? Jay Rowe #40301
>
>
>
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I saw some Crow belts in an 8A at a fly in. They looked nice and are well
priced. I plan to use them on my 8A.
R
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Kochman
*Sent:* Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:38 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Crow Harnesses
Dave, did you ever get this figured out? Any other -10 builders use the
Crow harnesses?
-Rob
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, dmaib@mac.com <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
I am planning on ordering Crow harnesses and would like to know if anybody
knows the correct measurements for front and rear seats? Shoulder harnesses
and lap belts. [Question]
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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