RV10-List Digest Archive

Wed 06/16/10


Total Messages Posted: 26



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:12 AM - Re: Seat Adjustment Arm (David Maib)
     2. 06:13 AM - Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (David Maib)
     3. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (Pascal)
     4. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
     5. 08:22 AM - Re: upper intersection fairings (Eric_Kallio)
     6. 09:40 AM - Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (AirMike)
     7. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (Lew Gallagher)
     8. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (Robin Marks)
     9. 10:38 AM - Re: Engine control cables touch mount (Bob Turner)
    10. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (Pascal)
    11. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (Kelly McMullen)
    12. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (Don McDonald)
    13. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (John Cox)
    14. 04:09 PM - Instrument panel angle (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
    15. 04:41 PM - SD-20 alternator (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
    16. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Engine control cables touch mount (Michael Kraus)
    17. 04:53 PM - Re: SD-20 alternator (Perry, Phil)
    18. 04:59 PM - Re: SD-20 alternator (Rene Felker)
    19. 05:02 PM - Re: SD-20 alternator (Ralph E. Capen)
    20. 05:05 PM - Re: SD-20 alternator (Matt Dralle)
    21. 05:13 PM - Re: SD-20 alternator (Don McDonald)
    22. 05:24 PM - Re: SD-20 alternator (Michael Kraus)
    23. 06:10 PM - Re: SD-20 alternator (Aaron Gleixner)
    24. 07:06 PM - Re: SD-20 alternator (Sean Stephens)
    25. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit (Lew Gallagher)
    26. 07:23 PM - Re: SD-20 alternator (Deems Davis)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:12:06 AM PST US
    From: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Seat Adjustment Arm
    I purchased mine from Greg Hale a couple of years ago. I remember he upgraded them due to the arm's breaking as you describe. Greg does not have them on his website anymore, so I don't think he is selling them. I noticed that Steve Dinieri at iflyrv10.com has them for sale. I have been very satisfied with other products I have purchased from Steve. Great customer service, too. I really like my seat adjustment arms. David Maib 40559 On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Albert Gardner wrote: I previously purchased a seat adjustment arm from ? but the square tube it was made from was too light and one of my passengers broke it. I found some heavier wall tube (.063) and made a replacement arm. Since I had the knob from the previous arm it was an easy task. I think the heavier arm will resist my passengers attempts to break it if I watch them carefully. Works much better that the factory supplied handle. Also when I installed the arm I added the mini platenuts as it made it much easier to remove and replace the seat. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma, AZ PS: I have heard that the supplier ? of the adjustment arm is now making them out of the heavy wall tubing. <FILE0007 (Small).JPG><FILE0006 (Small).JPG>


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    Time: 06:13:56 AM PST US
    From: David Maib <dmaib@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit
    I have done the same thing with a window unit for these hot, humid, Florida days. David Maib 40559 do not archive On Jun 15, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Albert Gardner wrote: 105 here today but working on the plane was not too uncomfortable due to an old window A/C unit I modified so that I could attach some house A/C ducts to. I replace the long ducts with some flexible AL ducts so that I can blow cool air at me while working on the engine. Albert Gardner N991RV Yuma AZ <FILE0015 (Small).JPG><FILE0016 (Small).JPG>


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    Time: 07:44:40 AM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit
    My understanding of this unit is that it's a cold fan- it needs to be blown at someone versus cooling the area. I am interested in more feedback on what "Ok" is. Does it actually bring the AZ heat down in the cabin? how much? The biggest issue I have seen is fitting the coolers into the baggage area- they are all too big, The other option is having to lug it in through the doors and into the back, also they tend to have condensation and make the area they sit on slightly wet. Thx Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:11 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit > > Check out Cabella's - look at their 'Tent Coolers' for about $100, works > on > batterys or a cig lighter plugin. I have one and it's OK - poor man's A/C. > Fits between the rear seats. Takes 8 D cells so the plugin is probably a > better way to go. > Albert Gardner > N991RV > Yuma, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:54 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit > > > For flying I like the idea of the fan operated cooler that goes in the > back > seat of the plane. The guy was selling them at OSH last year for about > $500 > in the large size. But they had a crummy cheapo cooler from China. I hope > that they have upgraded the container this year. Maybe I will buy one. It > is > hot here in Nevada. > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B - finally done > > >


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    Time: 08:03:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit
    From: Robert Brunkenhoefer <robertbrunk@mac.com>
    i have one i bought for my cardinal i can sell you. for less than $500. call me at 3615332383 On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:54 PM, AirMike wrote: > > For flying I like the idea of the fan operated cooler that goes in the back seat of the plane. The guy was selling them at OSH last year for about $500 in the large size. But they had a crummy cheapo cooler from China. I hope that they have upgraded the container this year. Maybe I will buy one. It is hot here in Nevada. > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B - finally done > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301369#301369 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:22:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: upper intersection fairings
    From: "Eric_Kallio" <scout019@msn.com>
    Thanks all. I will put some heat to them and try to shape them. If that doesn't work then I guess I will make my own. Eric Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301418#301418


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    Time: 09:40:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit
    From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
    I think that I am taking this blog a bit astray from an on site cooler to a portable A/C unit. I could not find the Cabellas link, to a portable tent cooler. Might just be a swamp cooler, but these guys sell a real portable A/C unit not a swamp cooler. http://www.arcticaircooler.com/ Their unit is essentially a heat exchanger that uses ice as the cooling material. They are at OSH every year. I just do not like their rinky-dink Chinese made red nylon covered units. -------- OSH '10 or Bust Q/B - finally done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301429#301429


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    Time: 10:08:41 AM PST US
    From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit
    Hey Mike, Maybe a bit astray, but a timely topic ... it's hot here in SC too! Try this link http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0053085518260a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=cooler&sort=all&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23 I had trouble finding it also, and maybe this isn't the one referred to. It doesn't get great reviews. It may be time to play with some styrofoam coolers, pvc pipe, and 12v. fans. Didn't somebody here have a do-it-yourself one of these a while back? Or maybe I'm thinking of Tim's glue cooler for the hangar. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit > > I think that I am taking this blog a bit astray from an on site cooler to > a portable A/C unit. I could not find the Cabellas link, to a portable > tent cooler. Might just be a swamp cooler, but these guys sell a real > portable A/C unit not a swamp cooler. http://www.arcticaircooler.com/ > Their unit is essentially a heat exchanger that uses ice as the cooling > material. They are at OSH every year. I just do not like their rinky-dink > Chinese made red nylon covered units. > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B - finally done


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    Time: 10:25:00 AM PST US
    From: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
    Subject: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit
    There was a builder that rolled his own cooler. I think he had $20.00 + a cooler "invested" in his project. Archives? Robin Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:08 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit Hey Mike, Maybe a bit astray, but a timely topic ... it's hot here in SC too! Try this link http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=005308551826 0a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Produc ts&QueryText=cooler&sort=all&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_ DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23 I had trouble finding it also, and maybe this isn't the one referred to. It doesn't get great reviews. It may be time to play with some styrofoam coolers, pvc pipe, and 12v. fans. Didn't somebody here have a do-it-yourself one of these a while back? Or maybe I'm thinking of Tim's glue cooler for the hangar. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit > > I think that I am taking this blog a bit astray from an on site cooler to > a portable A/C unit. I could not find the Cabellas link, to a portable > tent cooler. Might just be a swamp cooler, but these guys sell a real > portable A/C unit not a swamp cooler. http://www.arcticaircooler.com/ > Their unit is essentially a heat exchanger that uses ice as the cooling > material. They are at OSH every year. I just do not like their rinky-dink > Chinese made red nylon covered units. > > -------- > OSH '10 or Bust > Q/B - finally done


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    Time: 10:38:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine control cables touch mount
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    Add my name to the list of unhappy campers. My -10 is per plans, push pull controls, XIO-540D4A5 (from Vans). But the engine control cables that came with the FFW kit are too short. Throttle will make it but cannot be clamped to the mount per plans; mixture is way too short to follow plans, just reaches routing directly under the fuel pump. All cables seem to me to be too tight. I guess I'll think about it a while, probably order new longer ones. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301437#301437


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    Time: 10:41:55 AM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit
    http://www.instructables.com/id/Portable-12V-Air-Conditioner---Cheap-and-easy!/ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:07 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit > > Hey Mike, > > Maybe a bit astray, but a timely topic ... it's hot here in SC too! Try > this link > http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0053085518260a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=cooler&sort=all&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23 > > I had trouble finding it also, and maybe this isn't the one referred to. > It doesn't get great reviews. It may be time to play with some styrofoam > coolers, pvc pipe, and 12v. fans. Didn't somebody here have a > do-it-yourself one of these a while back? Or maybe I'm thinking of Tim's > glue cooler for the hangar. > > Later, - Lew > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:40 PM > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit > > >> >> I think that I am taking this blog a bit astray from an on site cooler to >> a portable A/C unit. I could not find the Cabellas link, to a portable >> tent cooler. Might just be a swamp cooler, but these guys sell a real >> portable A/C unit not a swamp cooler. http://www.arcticaircooler.com/ >> Their unit is essentially a heat exchanger that uses ice as the cooling >> material. They are at OSH every year. I just do not like their rinky-dink >> Chinese made red nylon covered units. >> >> -------- >> OSH '10 or Bust >> Q/B - finally done > > >


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    Time: 12:42:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine control cables touch mount
    From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
    As often as this has come up, has anyone pushed Van's to supply replacements of correct length? Seems like it approaches 100% of builders, whether push pull or quadrant come up short. Perhaps for those that have satisfactory lengths, maybe with a sharing of length values, a consensus could be reached. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote: > > Add my name to the list of unhappy campers. My -10 is per plans, push pull controls, XIO-540D4A5 (from Vans). But the engine control cables that came with the FFW kit are too short. Throttle will make it but cannot be clamped to the mount per plans; mixture is way too short to follow plans, just reaches routing directly under the fuel pump. All cables seem to me to be too tight. I guess I'll think about it a while, probably order new longer ones. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301437#301437 > >


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    Time: 01:06:59 PM PST US
    From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine control cables touch mount
    What I did was swap them around until maybe you only need to replace the sh ortest cable.- IIRC, that's what I did.- But yes, Kelley is right, it w ould be nice if the cable length was a little more accurate... Of course, p art of the problem is routing and equipment differences (push pull vs, thro ttle quadrant, etc.) Don McDonald --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote: From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount As often as this has come up, has anyone pushed Van's to supply replacements of correct length? Seems like it approaches 100% of builders, whether push pull or quadrant come up short. Perhaps for those that have satisfactory lengths, maybe with a sharing of length values, a consensus could be reached. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote : > > Add my name to the list of unhappy campers. My -10 is per plans, push pul l controls, XIO-540D4A5 (from Vans). But the engine control cables that cam e with the FFW kit are too short. Throttle will make it but cannot be clamp ed to the mount per plans; mixture is way too short to follow plans, just r eaches routing directly under the fuel pump. All cables seem to me to be to o tight. I guess I'll think about it a while, probably order new longer one s. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301437#301437 > > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 03:35:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Engine control cables touch mount
    From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    Bob - I will send you all the information off-line. Yes. and the methodology to determine cable length is up to each builder. Tim has it (one - mine) on his website. The supplier of Cablecraft cables through VANS is Instrument Sales and Service of Portland, OR. they consistently make the cable to the length requested. I have posted contact name, number and how to use Weed Wacker line to make that length determination. The crowd keeps buying parts designed once over six years ago for a prototype that come in the Finish Kit of current RV-10s. Each builder was, is and will always remain the Quality Control on parts installed into your creation. The problem is QC. When a single point supplier consistantly provides one length and the builder has correctly selected a differing length, it is baffling how often this question gets addressed. the culture is that if VAN sells it, it must be right. It is the same arguement used on Green fiberglas, Pink Fiberglas and now grey primed pink fiberglas. Think of the supplier giving you extra hours of enjoyment to get intimate with a few of those components. I will print an apology the day VANS begins admitting some parts do not work as well as intended and embraces making improvements to those few isolated parts. It is not their problem for the choice of parts selection. They have done a fine job, created a path of enjoyment for many and still leave us enough of the journey to feel we actually have some choices left. And Kelly, NO they cannot be pushed. It is a corporate culture thing they want you to embrace. You are the builder, you are QC. John Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Kelly McMullen Sent: Wed 6/16/2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine control cables touch mount As often as this has come up, has anyone pushed Van's to supply replacements of correct length? Seems like it approaches 100% of builders, whether push pull or quadrant come up short. Perhaps for those that have satisfactory lengths, maybe with a sharing of length values, a consensus could be reached. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote: > > Add my name to the list of unhappy campers. My -10 is per plans, push pull controls, XIO-540D4A5 (from Vans). But the engine control cables that came with the FFW kit are too short. Throttle will make it but cannot be clamped to the mount per plans; mixture is way too short to follow plans, just reaches routing directly under the fuel pump. All cables seem to me to be too tight. I guess I'll think about it a while, probably order new longer ones. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301437#301437 > >


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    Time: 04:09:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Instrument panel angle
    From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
    Anyone have a firm number for the angle of the instrument panel relative to level flight attitude? Or at least the delta angle between sitting on the ramp and flight attitude? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile)


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    Time: 04:41:10 PM PST US
    Subject: SD-20 alternator
    From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
    Anyone using a B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad? I was not getting any juice on initial engine runs, but I'm wondering if it really has to get up to "run up" engine speeds to produce much. I did basic trouble shooting in the hangar and didn't see anything amiss. What are the experiences of others? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile)


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    Time: 04:52:10 PM PST US
    From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Subject: Re: Engine control cables touch mount
    I ordered the throttle quadrant kit, and the cables all fit with no issues. On fact, the mixture and throttle were a bit long! -Mike Kraus Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote: > > As often as this has come up, has anyone pushed Van's to supply > replacements of correct length? Seems like it approaches 100% of > builders, whether push pull or quadrant come up short. Perhaps for > those that have satisfactory lengths, maybe with a sharing of length > values, a consensus could be reached. > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Bob Turner > <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote: >> <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> >> >> Add my name to the list of unhappy campers. My -10 is per plans, >> push pull controls, XIO-540D4A5 (from Vans). But the engine control >> cables that came with the FFW kit are too short. Throttle will make >> it but cannot be clamped to the mount per plans; mixture is way too >> short to follow plans, just reaches routing directly under the fuel >> pump. All cables seem to me to be too tight. I guess I'll think >> about it a while, probably order new longer ones. >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=301437#301437 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 04:53:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: SD-20 alternator
    From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry@netapp.com>
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    Time: 04:59:45 PM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: SD-20 alternator
    I am and I think it has to be 1800 RPM or better. But don't quote me.... Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: RV10-List: SD-20 alternator Anyone using a B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad? I was not getting any juice on initial engine runs, but I'm wondering if it really has to get up to "run up" engine speeds to produce much. I did basic trouble shooting in the hangar and didn't see anything amiss. What are the experiences of others? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile)


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    Time: 05:02:17 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: SD-20 alternator
    Mine works fine at idle speeds - I test it each time by energizing it before the primary. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: RV10-List: SD-20 alternator Anyone using a B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad? I was not getting any juice on initial engine runs, but I'm wondering if it really has to get up to "run up" engine speeds to produce much. I did basic trouble shooting in the hangar and didn't see anything amiss. What are the experiences of others? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile)


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    Time: 05:05:15 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Re: SD-20 alternator
    Did you connect it up with a B&C external regulator? I've got an SD-20 as a secondary on my RV-8 and I find that it works nicely. At idle, however, it definitely doesn't put out full current. At cruse it does alright, but it can't keep up if I've got all the lights turned on. This is to be expected, though, since its only rated at 20amps. Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor... At 04:16 PM 6/16/2010 Wednesday, you wrote: >Anyone using a B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad? I was not getting any juice on initial engine runs, but Im wondering if it really has to get up to run up engine speeds to produce much. I did basic trouble shooting in the hangar and didnt see anything amiss. > >What are the experiences of others? > >TDT > >Tim Dawson-Townsend >RV-10 40025 ><mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>tdt@aurora.aero >617-500-4812 (office) >617-905-4800 (mobile) > >


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    Time: 05:13:18 PM PST US
    From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: SD-20 alternator
    Although my B&C 60amp alternator seems to work fine at lower rpm settings, the 20 seems to need more revs to offset the load and show a positive curre nt. My experience, Don McDonald --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote: From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> Subject: RV10-List: SD-20 alternator Anyone using a B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad?=C2- I was not gett ing any juice on initial engine runs, but I=99m wondering if it reall y has to get up to =9Crun up=9D engine speeds to produce much. =C2- I did basic trouble shooting in the hangar and didn=99t see an ything amiss. =C2- What are the experiences of others? =C2- TDT =C2- Tim Dawson-Townsend RV-10=C2- 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) =C2- =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 05:24:10 PM PST US
    From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    Subject: Re: SD-20 alternator
    How are you troubleshooting it? It will not output anything until the main alternator 'fails'. Start the engine, pull the breaker or turn the main alternator off and the secondary should kick in. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero > wrote: > Anyone using a B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad? I was not > getting any juice on initial engine runs, but I=99m wondering if it re > ally has to get up to =9Crun up=9D engine speeds to produce much. I > did basic trouble shooting in the hangar and didn=99t see anything ami > ss. > > > What are the experiences of others? > > > TDT > > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > > RV-10 40025 > > tdt@aurora.aero > > 617-500-4812 (office) > > 617-905-4800 (mobile) > >


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    Time: 06:10:28 PM PST US
    From: Aaron Gleixner <aarongleixner@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: SD-20 alternator
    I just got my plane flying, and thought I had a problem with my B&C SD-20. =C2- It did not appear to work at all (voltage at battery voltage when tu rned on during ground runs).=C2- Rather than trouble shoot the backup alt ernator, I decided to "fix" after first flight.=C2- Once I got the plane flying and running at higher RPM, it worked fine.=0A=0AAaron=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0AFrom: Don McDonald <building_partner@yah oo.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, June 16, 2010 8:12:34 PM =0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: SD-20 alternator=0A=0A=0AAlthough my B&C 60amp a lternator seems to work fine at lower rpm settings, the 20 seems to need mo re revs to offset the load and show a positive current.=0AMy experience, Do n McDonald=0A=0A--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-towns end@aurora.aero> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-tow nsend@aurora.aero>=0A>Subject: RV10-List: SD-20 alternator=0A>To: rv10-list @matronics.com=0A>Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 4:16 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>Anyone using a B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad?=C2- I was not getting an y juice on initial engine runs, but I=99m wondering if it really has to get up to =9Crun up=9D engine speeds to produce much.=C2- I did basic trouble shooting in the hangar and didn=99t see anything amiss.=0A>=C2-=0A>What are the experiences of others? =0A>=C2- =0A>TDT =0A>=C2- =0A>Tim Dawson-Townsend =0A>RV-10=C2- 40025 =0A>tdt@aurora.aer o =0A>=C2-617-500-4812=C2- 617-500-4812 (office) =0A>=C2-617-905-4800 =C2- 617-905-4800 (mobile) =0A>=C2-=0A>=0A>=0A>get=_blank rel=nofol low>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=nofollow>http://forums.m atronics.com=0A>blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ====================


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    Time: 07:06:24 PM PST US
    From: Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>
    Subject: Re: SD-20 alternator
    "Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor..." Matt, quit enjoying those fruit and get us some videos. Priorities man, priorities! :) do not archive Sean #40303 - Not eating any fruit. On 6/16/10 7:04 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Matt Dralle<dralle@matronics.com> > > Did you connect it up with a B&C external regulator? I've got an SD-20 as a secondary on my RV-8 and I find that it works nicely. At idle, however, it definitely doesn't put out full current. At cruse it does alright, but it can't keep up if I've got all the lights turned on. This is to be expected, though, since its only rated at 20amps. > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: Enjoying The Fruits of 2500 Hours of Labor... > > > At 04:16 PM 6/16/2010 Wednesday, you wrote: > >> Anyone using a B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad? I was not getting any juice on initial engine runs, but Im wondering if it really has to get up to run up engine speeds to produce much. I did basic trouble shooting in the hangar and didnt see anything amiss. >> >> What are the experiences of others? >> >> TDT >> >> Tim Dawson-Townsend >> RV-10 40025 >> <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>tdt@aurora.aero >> 617-500-4812 (office) >> 617-905-4800 (mobile) >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 07:14:00 PM PST US
    From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit
    My kinda project, thanks Pascal! Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:41 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Portable Air Conditioning Unit > > http://www.instructables.com/id/Portable-12V-Air-Conditioner---Cheap-and-easy!/


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    Time: 07:23:08 PM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: SD-20 alternator
    B&C used to have a graph, that plotted AMP output vs RPM for all of their alternators. I just looked on their web-site and couldn't find it. My memory of the graph is that the SD-20 doesn't produce it's full 20 am output until it's turning near max RPM's. My SD-20 Low Voltage light is lit when the engine is at idle. I have a check list item on my run-up to check that it extinguishes when I go through my run up. Deems Davis N519PJ www.deemsrv10.com On 6/16/2010 6:09 PM, Aaron Gleixner wrote: > I just got my plane flying, and thought I had a problem with my B&C > SD-20. It did not appear to work at all (voltage at battery voltage > when turned on during ground runs). Rather than trouble shoot the > backup alternator, I decided to "fix" after first flight. Once I got > the plane flying and running at higher RPM, it worked fine. > Aaron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wed, June 16, 2010 8:12:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: SD-20 alternator > > Although my B&C 60amp alternator seems to work fine at lower rpm > settings, the 20 seems to need more revs to offset the load and show a > positive current. > My experience, Don McDonald > > --- On *Wed, 6/16/10, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy > /<tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>/* wrote: > > > From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> > Subject: RV10-List: SD-20 alternator > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 4:16 PM > > Anyone using a B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad? I was not > getting any juice on initial engine runs, but Im wondering if it > really has to get up to run up engine speeds to produce much. I > did basic trouble shooting in the hangar and didnt see anything > amiss. > > What are the experiences of others? > > TDT > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > > RV-10 40025 > > tdt@aurora.aero > <http://us.mc537.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tdt@aurora.aero> > > 617-500-4812 617-500-4812 (office) > > 617-905-4800 617-905-4800 (mobile) > > * > > get=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com > blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > *p://www.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://w====================== > > * > * > > > *




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