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1. 05:36 AM - Re: Foreflight Question (Tim Olson)
2. 05:44 AM - Re: Foreflight Question (egohr1)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions (rampil)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: Foreflight Question (DLM)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Foreflight Question (Linn Walters)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: Foreflight Question (Tim Olson)
7. 08:36 AM - Prop Governor Cable Bracket (dmaib@me.com)
8. 10:02 AM - Re: Prop Governor Cable Bracket (Lenny Iszak)
9. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Prop Governor Cable Bracket (David Maib)
10. 02:06 PM - Re: Foreflight Question (Kelly McMullen)
11. 08:21 PM - Full tanks for first flight? (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
12. 10:01 PM - Re: Full tanks for first flight? (Linn Walters)
13. 10:06 PM - Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping (Dave Leikam)
14. 10:51 PM - Re: Full tanks for first flight? (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight Question |
It's funny, it's region specific. When I'm in the mountains, like
enroute to SLC, I get reception at 10,000' just fine. Over most
of the US I get nothing. But, over some areas I do get reception
at middle altitudes. I think in mountainous areas they must be less
restrictive of the elevation angles that they allow their signal
to go.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/4/2010 12:36 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robin Marks<Robin@painttheweb.com>
>
> Funny, my iPhone with AT&T service works better at 7,500' over Santa
> Barbara than it works in downtown Santa Barbara. Go figure.
>
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight Question |
Just spend 12 hours with foreflight in the RV-10. The can not connect only showed
up when it had a intermittent cell signal at 8K. At 10K it did not have the
popup. Other than the pop up, what a great way to carry charts. We flew from
OK to NY and back and had all the charts on display for the entire trip. The
GPS in the Ipad is a little slower to respond than the 430, but in level flight
was just as accurate.
PS. This is the easiest way to file a flight plan I have see. Worked great for
IFR plans at a fuel stop. Pickup up airborne with no issues.
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eric gohr
EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu
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| Subject: | Re: iPad and Skycharts Pro - initial impressions |
greetings,
I have been using my iPad 3G for several weeks in my Europa.
I don't know why people are still confused about the GPS capability
of the iPad and iPhone. They all have real GPS. They also have
cell site aiding for use inside buildings, etc where the true GPS
Sat signals are not adequate. That said, the GPS hardware in these
Apple products is not Garmin Avionics level quality. Specifically,there
are two issues of immediate impact. The position update cycle time
is about 1 Hz, therefore you can't even begin to do a pseudo panel.
Just try one of the toy panel apps and you will see what I mean. Second,
the receiver sensitivity is not great. This is not really a problem in my
glass aircraft up in the sky, but it might be for tin car drivers if the device
is well away from your plexiglas. In the air Foreflight usually reports
5 meter spatial resolution - not WAAS, but not bad for VFR.
The software is very good, quite useable and steadily improving.
I have settled on Foreflight and on Airnav pro. Foreflight has better
maps and facility data, Airnav better Nav tools, i.e., an HSI and VOR
displays. I was using Skycharts, but the former products have now
far outclassed it. I used Air Guide paper for years, but their software
looks plebian, and I would not believe they will support a BT GPS since the
current Apple development system XCode with iOS4 (which I happen
to have for my own development purposes) specifically excludes many
kinds of bluetooth stack support at present.
I have a near bubble canopy and the ipad is too big for my panels, so
it only fits as a lap pad. It is not nearly bright enough for daylight
flight ops.
Finally, and related to perhaps my bubble canopy, I found the iPad
very sensitive to heat, frequently displaying the Orange Triangle of
Heat Stroke (not quite as catchy as the blue screen of death)
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight Question |
could it be that at some altitudes or regions too many cell towers are
stroked and the cell system drops contact? If a signal is hitting 20+ cell
towers , the computers could get confused.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Foreflight Question
>
> It's funny, it's region specific. When I'm in the mountains, like
> enroute to SLC, I get reception at 10,000' just fine. Over most
> of the US I get nothing. But, over some areas I do get reception
> at middle altitudes. I think in mountainous areas they must be less
> restrictive of the elevation angles that they allow their signal
> to go.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 7/4/2010 12:36 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robin Marks<Robin@painttheweb.com>
>>
>> Funny, my iPhone with AT&T service works better at 7,500' over Santa
>> Barbara than it works in downtown Santa Barbara. Go figure.
>>
>> Robin
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight Question |
All the cell sites use signal strength as a means of choosing which cell
site to hand off to. Dropped calls are mostly due to the computer
handling traffic and not getting back to handling the control of your
signal ..... you're just covering too much ground too fast ...... and by
the time your device interrogates a cell site and the computer allocates
a channel ..... well, you're already out of range. Altitude does play a
part because the cell site will reject an interrogation below a signal
strength threshold. What I don't understand is why the device with a
good GPS lock n eeds to communicate with the ground.
Linn
DLM wrote:
>
> could it be that at some altitudes or regions too many cell towers are
> stroked and the cell system drops contact? If a signal is hitting 20+
> cell towers , the computers could get confused.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:32 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Foreflight Question
>
>
>>
>> It's funny, it's region specific. When I'm in the mountains, like
>> enroute to SLC, I get reception at 10,000' just fine. Over most
>> of the US I get nothing. But, over some areas I do get reception
>> at middle altitudes. I think in mountainous areas they must be less
>> restrictive of the elevation angles that they allow their signal
>> to go.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 7/4/2010 12:36 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robin Marks<Robin@painttheweb.com>
>>>
>>> Funny, my iPhone with AT&T service works better at 7,500' over Santa
>>> Barbara than it works in downtown Santa Barbara. Go figure.
>>>
>>> Robin
>>> Do Not Archive
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight Question |
The answer to my it connects to the ground is.... It doesn't "need"
to at all, but if you have data enabled it will try to, as it wants to
get your email and other updates....even checking for app updates.
If you just turn off data and turn off wifi it won't try to do anything.
Also, I find that if you do use Bluetooth gps, you can put the phone/
pad in airplane mode and disable all other things including cell, and
save battery.
Bluetooth gps mode isn't too hard on batteries, but what IS hard on
them is being in low signal conditions.....your phone will try to
boost it's power to reach a signal, and thus uses more power. So
airplane mode with Bluetooth gps will save battery life and give you
better quality gps. As Ira noted, the gps in the iDevices is
ok...fine for most things, but the gps is on the low end of the
quality spectrum. It takes longer to lock in some cases too.
Different than Ira, I find the brightness on the ipad to be good in an
RV10 with our non-bubble canopy. I think most things would be awful
in bubble canopies tho. I have photos comparing it to my LE1600 with
view anywhere and it's definitely better....but, I have the Brando
anti-glare screen cover on the ipad....without it the reflections
would drive me nuts.
And, as Eric noted, I've found that foreflight is the absolute fastest
and easiest way to file a flight plan. It really rocks.
Tim
On Jul 4, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> >
>
> All the cell sites use signal strength as a means of choosing which
> cell site to hand off to. Dropped calls are mostly due to the
> computer handling traffic and not getting back to handling the
> control of your signal ..... you're just covering too much ground
> too fast ...... and by the time your device interrogates a cell site
> and the computer allocates a channel ..... well, you're already out
> of range. Altitude does play a part because the cell site will
> reject an interrogation below a signal strength threshold. What I
> don't understand is why the device with a good GPS lock n eeds to
> communicate with the ground.
> Linn
>
>
> DLM wrote:
>>
>> could it be that at some altitudes or regions too many cell towers
>> are stroked and the cell system drops contact? If a signal is
>> hitting 20+ cell towers , the computers could get confused.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Foreflight Question
>>
>>
>>>
>>> It's funny, it's region specific. When I'm in the mountains, like
>>> enroute to SLC, I get reception at 10,000' just fine. Over most
>>> of the US I get nothing. But, over some areas I do get reception
>>> at middle altitudes. I think in mountainous areas they must be less
>>> restrictive of the elevation angles that they allow their signal
>>> to go.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/4/2010 12:36 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robin
>>>> Marks<Robin@painttheweb.com>
>>>>
>>>> Funny, my iPhone with AT&T service works better at 7,500' over
>>>> Santa
>>>> Barbara than it works in downtown Santa Barbara. Go figure.
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Prop Governor Cable Bracket |
Can anyone tell me if the Van's bracket VA-153-PC will fit on a PCU5000X governor?
The info on the Van's Web Store site says it will fit an MT or a Hartzell
governor. I have acquired an old bracket of unknown heritage from a neighbor and
the three screw holes are just a bit off from the holes on my PCU governor.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Governor Cable Bracket |
David,
The distance between the bolts on the MT governor (that fits that bracket) is about
1.38 inches.
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Governor Cable Bracket |
Thanks Lenny.
David Maib
40559
do not archive
On Jul 4, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
<lenard@rapiddecision.com>
David,
The distance between the bolts on the MT governor (that fits that
bracket) is about 1.38 inches.
Lenny
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| Subject: | Re: Foreflight Question |
I saw a demo of Skycharts on Ipad this morning, compared to
Foreflight. Skycharts was MUCH faster drawing the screen, allowed
direct to whatever airport/fix you wanted, had VFR, VFR with terrain,
IFR and approach plates all included. The approach plates are not
geo-referenced, but had everything else could want. Hard to believe
Foreflight doesn't have a direct to function.
I have a BT Globalsat 359 GPS. Does any bluetooth stack for Ipad work,
or does it need to be device specific?
The built-in GPS was giving 10 M accuracy sitting in airport cafe,
although I believe wifi was on and we were in range of wifi hotspot.
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> The answer to my it connects to the ground is.... It doesn't "need" to at
> all, but if you have data enabled it will try to, as it wants to get your
> email and other updates....even checking for app updates. If you just turn
> off data and turn off wifi it won't try to do anything.
> Also, I find that if you do use Bluetooth gps, you can put the phone/pad in
> airplane mode and disable all other things including cell, and save battery.
> Bluetooth gps mode isn't too hard on batteries, but what IS hard on them is
> being in low signal conditions.....your phone will try to boost it's power
> to reach a signal, and thus uses more power. So airplane mode with
> Bluetooth gps will save battery life and give you better quality gps. As
> Ira noted, the gps in the iDevices is ok...fine for most things, but the gps
> is on the low end of the quality spectrum. It takes longer to lock in some
> cases too.
>
> Different than Ira, I find the brightness on the ipad to be good in an RV10
> with our non-bubble canopy. I think most things would be awful in bubble
> canopies tho. I have photos comparing it to my LE1600 with view anywhere
> and it's definitely better....but, I have the Brando anti-glare screen cover
> on the ipad....without it the reflections would drive me nuts.
>
> And, as Eric noted, I've found that foreflight is the absolute fastest and
> easiest way to file a flight plan. It really rocks.
> Tim
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> All the cell sites use signal strength as a means of choosing which cell
>> site to hand off to. Dropped calls are mostly due to the computer handling
>> traffic and not getting back to handling the control of your signal .....
>> you're just covering too much ground too fast ...... and by the time your
>> device interrogates a cell site and the computer allocates a channel .....
>> well, you're already out of range. Altitude does play a part because the
>> cell site will reject an interrogation below a signal strength threshold.
>> What I don't understand is why the device with a good GPS lock n eeds to
>> communicate with the ground.
>> Linn
>>
>>
>> DLM wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> could it be that at some altitudes or regions too many cell towers are
>>> stroked and the cell system drops contact? If a signal is hitting 20+ cell
>>> towers , the computers could get confused.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Foreflight Question
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's funny, it's region specific. When I'm in the mountains, like
>>>> enroute to SLC, I get reception at 10,000' just fine. Over most
>>>> of the US I get nothing. But, over some areas I do get reception
>>>> at middle altitudes. I think in mountainous areas they must be less
>>>> restrictive of the elevation angles that they allow their signal
>>>> to go.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/4/2010 12:36 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny, my iPhone with AT&T service works better at 7,500' over Santa
>>>>> Barbara than it works in downtown Santa Barbara. Go figure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robin
>>>>> Do Not Archive
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Full tanks for first flight? |
>From the age-old advice of always taking as much fuel with you as
possible when flying, I'm inclined to do my first flight with full
tanks.
Any reason not to? W&B seems reasonable.
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
RV-10 40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Full tanks for first flight? |
To be honest, I never really thought about flying without full tanks.
That saying 'the only time you have too much fuel is when you're on
fire' comes to mind. I don't start a trip ..... even local .... without
full fuel unless my airplane has really long legs. My vote then, is for
full fuel. W&B consideration is a good one.
Can't wait 'till I'm faced with that issue!!! ;-)
Linn
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>
> From the age-old advice of always taking as much fuel with you as
> possible when flying, I'm inclined to do my first flight with full tanks.
>
>
>
> Any reason not to? W&B seems reasonable.
>
>
>
> TDT
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> RV-10 40025
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping |
Hi Bob,
I just sent a payment for camping to you but forgot to include my EAA number
so here it is: 492152.
Thanks again.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 N89DA
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: 2010 OSH RV-10 HQ Camping
>
> It's getting to be that time of year because phone calls and emails have
> started!
>
> Gary and I will again stake out sites for those who are interested in
> being in the RV-10 HQ area. In past years this has been a group of around
> 25 RV-10 folks ranging from those just starting the tail kit to those that
> have been flying for multiple years. Additionally we?Tve traditionally
> facilitated a couple of large cookouts where those not camping with us can
> attend ?" typically upwards of 75-100 people including some notable
> vendors.
> We will again stake out the sites on the Tuesday before Airventure starts
> which is 7/20 this year. Payment is required in advance from the first
> night through the Sunday night at the end of Airventure which winds up
> being 13 nights. Price this year is $22 per night which comes out to $286.
> You can either mail me a check (contact me offline for address) or use
> PayPal. PayPal is much easier all the way around but there's a fee of
> about $9 that they'll take out so if you use that service you'll need to
> send $295.
>
> Here?Ts how it works if you?Tre interested:
> Gary, Tim and I (and wives) simply facilitate this for the good of the
> group. Cost is actual cost of the sites - this is not a profit making
> venture. Your campsite will be in your name (I will need your EAA number)
> and will be paid for with a check rather than a credit card. This means if
> you leave early you will receive a check from EAA when you turn in your
> site registration on your way out of the campgrounds. I will check with
> Tim to see if he?Ts willing to once again have info on his website to
> facilitate people leaving early coordinating with others coming late in
> the week.
>
> Summary, if you want a campsite with the group:
> - I need $286 from you ($295 if using PayPal) no later than 7/14/2010.
> - If using PayPal, please send to bcondrey at cox dot net
> - I will need your EAA number for the registration and your membership
> must be valid through at least August 2010.
> - It would be helpful if you'd send me an email with the date you're
> planning to arrive and leave and the type of camper (Class A, tent, etc)
> - We'll use our best judgment for the group location based on what's
> available when we get there but our target will be in the same area that
> we've been the last few years which is immediately south of Paul?Ts Park
> in Camp Scholler (around 55th and Lindbergh).
> - Sites get tagged as required using a little logic based on size of the
> camper, tent vs. Class A motorhome, whether you?Tve got kids, etc. If you
> don?Tt like the location you can swap around when you get there.
> - We?Tll have your car pass, etc. at one of our sites and you simply call
> when you get close and somebody meet you at the registration gate.
> Most questions can be answered with the info from last year on Tim?Ts
> website at: www.myrv10.com/osh/Camping_FAQ.html
>
> I?Tll post more info and a reminder in a few weeks when it gets closer.
>
> Bob
> RV-10 N442PM (flying)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=299863#299863
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Full tanks for first flight? |
I'd take enough for the planned flight plus 15 gal. Do you really want
full tanks if something forces you to put it down off-airport? When is
the probability of a fire absolutely highest in your aircraft? I'd be
surprised if it isn't some where during Phase I. Would you even
consider taking off for first flight at full gross? I think not. Why
would you want full fuel? What does it do for you that a couple hours
of fuel doesn't handle? Are you concerned about the tank not feeding
properly if it isn't full, or??
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
<tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> From the age-old advice of always taking as much fuel with you as possible
> when flying, Im inclined to do my first flight with full tanks.
>
>
> Any reason not to? W&B seems reasonable.
>
>
> TDT
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> RV-10 40025
>
> tdt@aurora.aero
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
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